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Welcome to the Dapto Oral History project. Today we are talking to David John Ritter of Dapto born on Welcome to the Dapto Oral History project. Today we are talking to David John Ritter of Dapto born on
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the 5th of November, 1944 at Crows Nest, NSW. David, welcome and thank you for the 5th of November, 1944 at Crows Nest, NSW. David, welcome and thank you for
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talking to us today. That's all right. You have a particular story you wanted to tell us about, um, Dapto. talking to us today. That's all right. You have a particular story you wanted to tell us about, um, Dapto.
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Yes, I've got one about a family that came to Dapto, um, in 1839. The ship was Yes, I've got one about a family that came to Dapto, um, in 1839. The ship was
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called the Florist. It arrived here on the 26th of October 1839 in Port Phillip Bay. called the Florist. It arrived here on the 26th of October 1839 in Port Phillip Bay.
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A young family by the name of James Emal and Rebecca Noakes with their son A young family by the name of James Emal and Rebecca Noakes with their son
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William Henry, who was only an infant, arrived here in Sydney and travelled directly down William Henry, who was only an infant, arrived here in Sydney and travelled directly down
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to Dapto and over the next six years, five girls were all born in Dapto. to Dapto and over the next six years, five girls were all born in Dapto.
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The girls were Julieanna Noakes, died 1840, Emily Noakes born The girls were Julieanna Noakes, died 1840, Emily Noakes born
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1840. Then there was Sarah, Mary and Jane. Now we don't know what happened, 1840. Then there was Sarah, Mary and Jane. Now we don't know what happened,
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whether Julieanna and Emily were twins or whether one was born early in the year whether Julieanna and Emily were twins or whether one was born early in the year
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and died when she was an infant, um, but we do know that there were four surviving girls and died when she was an infant, um, but we do know that there were four surviving girls
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born here in Dapto. They lived here in Dapto, well, James apparently was born here in Dapto. They lived here in Dapto, well, James apparently was
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sent out here by the government. So, what, what he was doing we're not quite sent out here by the government. So, what, what he was doing we're not quite
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sure, but the way he died might give us an indication. Apparently in 1847 he was sure, but the way he died might give us an indication. Apparently in 1847 he was
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down at Jamberoo cutting trees down, and apparently this particular day the tree down at Jamberoo cutting trees down, and apparently this particular day the tree
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fell on top of him and killed him. He was killed at Jamberoo 1947. In 1849 fell on top of him and killed him. He was killed at Jamberoo 1947. In 1849
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Rebecca remarries a man here in Dapto by the name of James Everson. Then they Rebecca remarries a man here in Dapto by the name of James Everson. Then they
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moved down to Nowra, and eventually they moved to moved down to Nowra, and eventually they moved to
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a place called Good Dog Creek, which is now known as Cambewarra. [JD] Oh, okay. Now the reason a place called Good Dog Creek, which is now known as Cambewarra. [JD] Oh, okay. Now the reason
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I'm telling this story is because, 100 years later their great ,great, great grandson I'm telling this story is because, 100 years later their great ,great, great grandson
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bought bought
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a block of land here and settled here in Dapto. [JD] Okay, great, great grandson? [DR] Yeah. [JD] Right. [DR] John a block of land here and settled here in Dapto. [JD] Okay, great, great grandson? [DR] Yeah. [JD] Right. [DR] John
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Barker Smith, my stepfather. [JD] Ah, okay. [DR] And that's, that is the connection between this Barker Smith, my stepfather. [JD] Ah, okay. [DR] And that's, that is the connection between this
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particular family, even though they were only here for particular family, even though they were only here for
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a small period time, 100 years later the family came back to Dapto. [JD] Okay, yeah, a small period time, 100 years later the family came back to Dapto. [JD] Okay, yeah,
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And is there still some family members here? [DR] Ah, yes, my brother Barry's still here And is there still some family members here? [DR] Ah, yes, my brother Barry's still here
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in Hamilton Street. Ah, and who else is here, oh yeah, Rodney, Rodney Smith in Hamilton Street. Ah, and who else is here, oh yeah, Rodney, Rodney Smith
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lives around in Heininger Crescent [Street] I think. He's, he's descended from lives around in Heininger Crescent [Street] I think. He's, he's descended from
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these two, this couple. [JD] Okay, okay. [DR] And um, yes, it's an interesting story. Ah, the other one, the other these two, this couple. [JD] Okay, okay. [DR] And um, yes, it's an interesting story. Ah, the other one, the other
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part of that is that part of that is that
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Athol Mulley, the jockey, is also a descendant from that family. [JD] Oh really, okay. [DR] Yeah, he was Athol Mulley, the jockey, is also a descendant from that family. [JD] Oh really, okay. [DR] Yeah, he was
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a famous Australian jockey. Yeah, and he got the name of Athol Mulley, his grandfather was Athol a famous Australian jockey. Yeah, and he got the name of Athol Mulley, his grandfather was Athol
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Joseph Ollie Mulley. And Joseph Ollie Mulley married Sarah Noakes. [JD] Oh, okay, there's ... [DR] That's Joseph Ollie Mulley. And Joseph Ollie Mulley married Sarah Noakes. [JD] Oh, okay, there's ... [DR] That's
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where the connection was. [JD] Yeah, okay. [DR] And, um, Mary, Mary where the connection was. [JD] Yeah, okay. [DR] And, um, Mary, Mary
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Anne Noakes married Joseph's brother, James. [JD] Okay. [DR] So, two sisters married two brothers. [JD] That happened quite a bit Anne Noakes married Joseph's brother, James. [JD] Okay. [DR] So, two sisters married two brothers. [JD] That happened quite a bit
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back in those days, didn't it? [DR] Well, it did, even in my mother's, my own family. Mum, back in those days, didn't it? [DR] Well, it did, even in my mother's, my own family. Mum,
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married, ah, John Barker Smith and her sister, Midge, Muriel otherwise known as Midge, married, ah, John Barker Smith and her sister, Midge, Muriel otherwise known as Midge,
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married George Smith, his brother. [JD] Okay, okay. [DR] So, you do get a lot. And it did because in married George Smith, his brother. [JD] Okay, okay. [DR] So, you do get a lot. And it did because in
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country times, you know, those, there was a very small number, minimum number of families country times, you know, those, there was a very small number, minimum number of families
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around basically eh, one started courting the other and then all of a sudden, oh, he around basically eh, one started courting the other and then all of a sudden, oh, he
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yeah, she's got a nice sister, or got a nice brother or something, and you get yeah, she's got a nice sister, or got a nice brother or something, and you get
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a connection that way. [JD] Sometimes, and that time, of, ah, also you didn't go dating on your own, so a connection that way. [JD] Sometimes, and that time, of, ah, also you didn't go dating on your own, so
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you needed an older brother or sister to chaperone, didn't you? [DR] You need a chaperone. Oh, yes you had you needed an older brother or sister to chaperone, didn't you? [DR] You need a chaperone. Oh, yes you had
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you had, back in, back in those days you had chaperones. It was a, I remember when we first started the CYO you had, back in, back in those days you had chaperones. It was a, I remember when we first started the CYO
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up here in Dapto, they had to have a up here in Dapto, they had to have a
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chaperone for us teenagers. [JD] And what was the CYO? [DR] Catholic Youth Organisation. chaperone for us teenagers. [JD] And what was the CYO? [DR] Catholic Youth Organisation.
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[JD] Okay. [DR] Right. [JD] Okay. [DR] Right.
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[JD] Okay, yeah. [DR] Denise Lawler can tell you a bit about, a bit about the Catholic Youth Org .. [JD] Yeah, Denise is going to be talking to us. [DR] Well she [JD] Okay, yeah. [DR] Denise Lawler can tell you a bit about, a bit about the Catholic Youth Org .. [JD] Yeah, Denise is going to be talking to us. [DR] Well she
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knows a bit about the Catholic Youth Organisation, because I think she was secretary for knows a bit about the Catholic Youth Organisation, because I think she was secretary for
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a while and her husband, John, was president for a few years, a few occasions. Ah, but you know you get a while and her husband, John, was president for a few years, a few occasions. Ah, but you know you get
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stories like that, um, the other story I would like to talk about stories like that, um, the other story I would like to talk about
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about early Dapto history was Avondale School. [JD] Oh, yes, yes. [DR] Right, now the about early Dapto history was Avondale School. [JD] Oh, yes, yes. [DR] Right, now the
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story about Avondale school was, there are at least three different schools been on story about Avondale school was, there are at least three different schools been on
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that site. The first one appears to have, have appeared there around about the late that site. The first one appears to have, have appeared there around about the late
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1840s or early 1850s, where the story goes that the people of, ah, of Avondale 1840s or early 1850s, where the story goes that the people of, ah, of Avondale
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didn't have didn't have
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a school for their children. Ah, we don't know whether it had something to do, because a school for their children. Ah, we don't know whether it had something to do, because
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the Catholic school had started in 1833 at West Dapto. Um, but in those the Catholic school had started in 1833 at West Dapto. Um, but in those
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days all schools were government funded, right, and apparently you had to days all schools were government funded, right, and apparently you had to
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organise organise
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a teacher. [JD] Okay. [DR] So apparently what happens is the people out at Avondale sent a teacher. [JD] Okay. [DR] So apparently what happens is the people out at Avondale sent
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to New York and invited this Martin Steinbeck to come out. Now I always thought this to New York and invited this Martin Steinbeck to come out. Now I always thought this
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to be to be
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a rather funny situation, because I felt sorry for the kids at Avondale, back in those days a rather funny situation, because I felt sorry for the kids at Avondale, back in those days
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because here you got, an American of German descent, [laughter] because here you got, an American of German descent, [laughter]
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trying to teach English [laughter] to the trying to teach English [laughter] to the
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you can see it rather - you know. [JD] That is quite a you can see it rather - you know. [JD] That is quite a
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situation. It is, you know. Ah, now Martin came out here somewhere round about the 1850s. situation. It is, you know. Ah, now Martin came out here somewhere round about the 1850s.
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Exactly when I, we can't find the shipping records because he's Exactly when I, we can't find the shipping records because he's
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most likely paid his own passage out here, but we do know that there was most likely paid his own passage out here, but we do know that there was
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a daughter born in, in Dapto, ah, here, registered in Dapto in 1853 and a daughter born in, in Dapto, ah, here, registered in Dapto in 1853 and
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another son registered in about 1855, which at that time he then left the Illa-, another son registered in about 1855, which at that time he then left the Illa-,
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left Avondale and moved up to the Hunter and started his own private hos-, private left Avondale and moved up to the Hunter and started his own private hos-, private
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school up in, up in the Hunter. And, as I say, the only reason I know about this is because my school up in, up in the Hunter. And, as I say, the only reason I know about this is because my
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brother-in-law is a direct descendant of Martin Steinbeck. Ok. [laughs] Yeah. brother-in-law is a direct descendant of Martin Steinbeck. Ok. [laughs] Yeah.
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But the sec-, after he left apparently in 1862, that's when they formed the Education But the sec-, after he left apparently in 1862, that's when they formed the Education
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Department and the Education Department then built Department and the Education Department then built
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a second school. [JD] Right. [DR] Right, and then that was a second school. [JD] Right. [DR] Right, and then that was
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later replaced by the one that's there at the present time. [JD] Which is Dapto public? [DR] No, later replaced by the one that's there at the present time. [JD] Which is Dapto public? [DR] No,
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Avondale private - Avondale public school. [JD] Avondale public school, ok. [DR] It's, it's apparently it Avondale private - Avondale public school. [JD] Avondale public school, ok. [DR] It's, it's apparently it
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ceased operation ceased operation
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in 1971, [JD] okay, okay. [DR] Right. But the old school house is still there because it's got in 1971, [JD] okay, okay. [DR] Right. But the old school house is still there because it's got
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a national tr-, National Trust [laughs]. [JD] Ok, so there's nothing in it at the moment? a national tr-, National Trust [laughs]. [JD] Ok, so there's nothing in it at the moment?
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No, it's just, just basically the shell. Um, it's basically a two storey building and the No, it's just, just basically the shell. Um, it's basically a two storey building and the
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classroom was downstairs and the teachers lived up-, and the family lived upstairs. classroom was downstairs and the teachers lived up-, and the family lived upstairs.
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[JD] They lived upstairs, ok. [DR] Yeah, they wouldn't have had much room living up there, they were only very, [JD] They lived upstairs, ok. [DR] Yeah, they wouldn't have had much room living up there, they were only very,
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a very small place. Um, so, yeah, you know. But these are things that people know about a very small place. Um, so, yeah, you know. But these are things that people know about
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Avondale and that it was Avondale and that it was
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a school there, but they don't know that a - and I believe that the last school a school there, but they don't know that a - and I believe that the last school
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teacher that taught there lives in Mulda Street, Dapto. [JD] Ok, still today? [DR] I don't know if he's still alive teacher that taught there lives in Mulda Street, Dapto. [JD] Ok, still today? [DR] I don't know if he's still alive
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today, but he, he, once he retired he did build a brick home in, in Mulda Street, today, but he, he, once he retired he did build a brick home in, in Mulda Street,
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which one it was Mum never knew, never knew what it, which one it was, but, um, which one it was Mum never knew, never knew what it, which one it was, but, um,
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yeah. [JD] Have you got any particular memories of, um, school in Dapto in your childhood? [DR] Oh, yeah. [JD] Have you got any particular memories of, um, school in Dapto in your childhood? [DR] Oh,
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yes. [laughs]. [JD] Tell us just one. [laughs]. [DR] Well, yes, I've got one that nobody yes. [laughs]. [JD] Tell us just one. [laughs]. [DR] Well, yes, I've got one that nobody
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could ever forget. I started could ever forget. I started
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at St John's in 1950, and of course we had at St John's in 1950, and of course we had
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a bit of complications when I started school because I didn't have a bit of complications when I started school because I didn't have
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a birth certificate. [JD] Oh dear. [DR] Because, as I said before, I a birth certificate. [JD] Oh dear. [DR] Because, as I said before, I
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arrived here on the 2nd of March 1940, 1949. When I left Sydney, my name was arrived here on the 2nd of March 1940, 1949. When I left Sydney, my name was
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David John Leighton. The next morning when I woke up in Dapto my name was David David John Leighton. The next morning when I woke up in Dapto my name was David
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John Smith. It was never legally changed till John Smith. It was never legally changed till
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I was 13, right. Ah, the reason for that is, I was born out of wedlock, my mother married John Bar I was 13, right. Ah, the reason for that is, I was born out of wedlock, my mother married John Bar
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?Bar? Smith on the 15th ?Bar? Smith on the 15th
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of January 1949 and of course when they moved into Spicer's boarding house, um, they of January 1949 and of course when they moved into Spicer's boarding house, um, they
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didn't want to feel embarrassed about saying, "This is...." [laughter] [JD] Yes, yes, especially in those days it wasn't ... didn't want to feel embarrassed about saying, "This is...." [laughter] [JD] Yes, yes, especially in those days it wasn't ...
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So anyway I started up at St John's and I remember with, ah, the old school is no So anyway I started up at St John's and I remember with, ah, the old school is no
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longer there, where longer there, where
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the li-, the new library has been built. It was an L-shaped building, where the L the li-, the new library has been built. It was an L-shaped building, where the L
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part faced out towards the Cath-, the old Catholic Church, and we started in the room part faced out towards the Cath-, the old Catholic Church, and we started in the room
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on the eastern, or the north eastern side of the building. And I do recall there that basically, on the eastern, or the north eastern side of the building. And I do recall there that basically,
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um, in the afternoons - because we didn't have kindergarten, it was first class - in the um, in the afternoons - because we didn't have kindergarten, it was first class - in the
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afternoon you always had to have a sleep. But that wasn't afternoon you always had to have a sleep. But that wasn't
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a thing that I remember the most. I remember the most was playtime - lunchtime. a thing that I remember the most. I remember the most was playtime - lunchtime.
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Because every lunch time one of the boys in school used to give me Because every lunch time one of the boys in school used to give me
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a, um, punch on the nose and make me nose bleed - every a, um, punch on the nose and make me nose bleed - every
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day I went to school. [laughter]. [JD] So there was bullying even back then. [DR] Oh yes, there was bullying way back day I went to school. [laughter]. [JD] So there was bullying even back then. [DR] Oh yes, there was bullying way back
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then, and it didn't stop till, um, the £10 poms arrived at Pommie Hill. then, and it didn't stop till, um, the £10 poms arrived at Pommie Hill.
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[JD] Ok. [DR] 'Cos then he decided he'd catch the, the boys, the children coming home from the [JD] Ok. [DR] 'Cos then he decided he'd catch the, the boys, the children coming home from the
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public school down the lane way and he'd bash them up instead. [JD] So he had another public school down the lane way and he'd bash them up instead. [JD] So he had another
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a surrogate. [laughter] [JD] Yeah. So basically, in a way, in a way, you know, ah, I'm glad they came because a surrogate. [laughter] [JD] Yeah. So basically, in a way, in a way, you know, ah, I'm glad they came because
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I stopped, I stopped getting the bleeding noses and, um, but they did. I stopped, I stopped getting the bleeding noses and, um, but they did.
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That's right, but one of the things I do remember, I can't remember which one of the That's right, but one of the things I do remember, I can't remember which one of the
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Sisters it was, whether it was Sister Bernard, Bernard Joseph or Sister Benedict, but at 10 o'clock Sisters it was, whether it was Sister Bernard, Bernard Joseph or Sister Benedict, but at 10 o'clock
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every morning she would come through from the classroom where she taught every morning she would come through from the classroom where she taught
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the 3rd and 4th class, and there was the 3rd and 4th class, and there was
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a doorway between the two classrooms, and she walk in and she'd start rattling off a doorway between the two classrooms, and she walk in and she'd start rattling off
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numbers. She'd either want multiplications, add-ups, or fractions or divisions, numbers. She'd either want multiplications, add-ups, or fractions or divisions,
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and by the time she'd finished she expected and by the time she'd finished she expected
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an answer. [JD] Really? Yeah, wow. [DR] And I basically always gave an answer. [JD] Really? Yeah, wow. [DR] And I basically always gave
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the answers. [laughter] [JD] You were particularly the answers. [laughter] [JD] You were particularly
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good with your studies weren't you? [DR] Not so much, I was very good at mathematics, or arithmetic. In fact good with your studies weren't you? [DR] Not so much, I was very good at mathematics, or arithmetic. In fact
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one of the, one of the best things I had was, ah, when I finished at, ah, finished up at St one of the, one of the best things I had was, ah, when I finished at, ah, finished up at St
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John's, 'cos it'll 60 years this year that I've left St John's - end of this year it'll be John's, 'cos it'll 60 years this year that I've left St John's - end of this year it'll be
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60 years since I left. And 'cos the following year, ah, we were starting 60 years since I left. And 'cos the following year, ah, we were starting
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a Christian Brothers college in Wollongong, not Edmund Rice but Christian Brothers college a Christian Brothers college in Wollongong, not Edmund Rice but Christian Brothers college
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in Crown Lane. And my mother took me into, into Crown Street and in those days you in Crown Lane. And my mother took me into, into Crown Street and in those days you
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drove up and down Crown Street, and there was drove up and down Crown Street, and there was
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a little shop, um, down on the next section from where Myer, ah, a little shop, um, down on the next section from where Myer, ah,
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is it Myers? [JD] Myers, yeah. [DR] Yeah well the next next block down, there used to be is it Myers? [JD] Myers, yeah. [DR] Yeah well the next next block down, there used to be
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a little shop there that sold school uniforms. [JD] Ok. [DR] So Mum took me in there a little shop there that sold school uniforms. [JD] Ok. [DR] So Mum took me in there
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to get me school uniform to go to get me school uniform to go
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to Christian Brothers. And, ah, of course the young bloke that served us used to go to to Christian Brothers. And, ah, of course the young bloke that served us used to go to
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St John's when I first started, I recognised him. Anyway so Mum got all St John's when I first started, I recognised him. Anyway so Mum got all
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these items and then he's writing down on his, on the receipt book, he's writing down the these items and then he's writing down on his, on the receipt book, he's writing down the
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items, the amount of money, and when he wrote the last item down, put the last items, the amount of money, and when he wrote the last item down, put the last
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price down, I told him the total. And he turned around to Mum and he said, "Is this kid joking!" And price down, I told him the total. And he turned around to Mum and he said, "Is this kid joking!" And
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Mum said, "No, you wait." [laughter] Five minutes later after he added it up he said to Mum, "How much Mum said, "No, you wait." [laughter] Five minutes later after he added it up he said to Mum, "How much
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did he say?" And Mum said, told him. He said "He's exact to the ha'penny". [JD] There you go. [DR] So it's did he say?" And Mum said, told him. He said "He's exact to the ha'penny". [JD] There you go. [DR] So it's
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basically a, you get that situation where a, they teach, teach you to use your brain and basically a, you get that situation where a, they teach, teach you to use your brain and
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to use it rather quickly. [JD] Mm, mm [DR] Um, the other thing I remember, many years later I went to to use it rather quickly. [JD] Mm, mm [DR] Um, the other thing I remember, many years later I went to
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the Steelworks and did my apprenticeship as a fitter and turner. And, ah, in my third year I was there I the Steelworks and did my apprenticeship as a fitter and turner. And, ah, in my third year I was there I
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got sacked. And, ah, I was lucky enough to get another re-, another got sacked. And, ah, I was lucky enough to get another re-, another
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placement out at Unan-, out at placement out at Unan-, out at
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Port Kembla. And, ah, I used to be in the A class, Port Kembla. And, ah, I used to be in the A class,
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and came the final year of and came the final year of
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a fitting and machining course, they brought up the dux of the class, of the B a fitting and machining course, they brought up the dux of the class, of the B
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class and put him in the A class. And, ah, he'd never been beaten. He got top marks class and put him in the A class. And, ah, he'd never been beaten. He got top marks
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every year, and he stuck, they stuck this bloke in the class, and I said, "Phwaw, I'm gunna show this bloke!" every year, and he stuck, they stuck this bloke in the class, and I said, "Phwaw, I'm gunna show this bloke!"
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'Cos I never used to study. [JD] No? [laughter] [DR] When you've got 'Cos I never used to study. [JD] No? [laughter] [DR] When you've got
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a photographic memory you don't need to study. So this year I decided I'd study. a photographic memory you don't need to study. So this year I decided I'd study.
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Well when the results came back for the first term, I beat him. And the second term Well when the results came back for the first term, I beat him. And the second term
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results came back we, we tied and when the final results came back, we tied. And, um, results came back we, we tied and when the final results came back, we tied. And, um,
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I only wish I could I only wish I could
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tell him now, it took another German to beat him, because he was German! [laughter] tell him now, it took another German to beat him, because he was German! [laughter]
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[JD] There you go. [laughter] [DR] 'Cos I didn't know I was German until I was 40. [JD] Ok, yeah, that's right, [JD] There you go. [laughter] [DR] 'Cos I didn't know I was German until I was 40. [JD] Ok, yeah, that's right,
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Yeah. [DR] I didn't know I was German till I was 40. So, yeah, it was rather interesting to get Yeah. [DR] I didn't know I was German till I was 40. So, yeah, it was rather interesting to get
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a situation like that now. [JD] Yeah, that's fantastic, well those are fantastic memories. Thank a situation like that now. [JD] Yeah, that's fantastic, well those are fantastic memories. Thank
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you so much for that David, and thank you for coming in. I'm sure we'll be hearing more of you so much for that David, and thank you for coming in. I'm sure we'll be hearing more of
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your stories. [DR] Oh, yes we've got St John's and we've got the Boy Scouts to talk about yet. [JD] We sure do. your stories. [DR] Oh, yes we've got St John's and we've got the Boy Scouts to talk about yet. [JD] We sure do.