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Well put on your NIDA application where there wasn't as a practicing addict in Well put on your NIDA application where there wasn't as a practicing addict in
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this area there wasn't there wasn't violence there wasn't a crime nor this area there wasn't there wasn't violence there wasn't a crime nor
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that the prostitution. There wasn't. that the prostitution. There wasn't.
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All those hallmarks of addiction All those hallmarks of addiction
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that my my friends in the city went through was a lot gentler like in many ways that my my friends in the city went through was a lot gentler like in many ways
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like we still you know had to go. We were still a lot more physically active. like we still you know had to go. We were still a lot more physically active.
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I mean we still climbed up and down the mountains and hills and cars of water and. I mean we still climbed up and down the mountains and hills and cars of water and.
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We still find eat a lot more. We still find eat a lot more.
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Yeah addiction was a lot kinder to me out here than it would have been in the Yeah addiction was a lot kinder to me out here than it would have been in the
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cities sure i come legally without a doubt. cities sure i come legally without a doubt.
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Question. My brain is all right. Question. My brain is all right.
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I guess. I guess.
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As sunnyside you know life is a lot kind of threat exam the country all the country As sunnyside you know life is a lot kind of threat exam the country all the country
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addicts that i know addicts that i know
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and my own experiences lies in with this as well we just didn't have to do it for and my own experiences lies in with this as well we just didn't have to do it for
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all city addicts. To do all city addicts. To do
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and then i never had to prostitute myself here i didn't have to steal from people and then i never had to prostitute myself here i didn't have to steal from people
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other than just you know charging tourists exorbitant amounts of money for dies you other than just you know charging tourists exorbitant amounts of money for dies you
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know i didn't have to you know sell my soul to be an addict here know i didn't have to you know sell my soul to be an addict here
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and you know like i would if i couldn't get it together to cook a meal i could and you know like i would if i couldn't get it together to cook a meal i could
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always go to the rainbow and have a meal there i mean i think always go to the rainbow and have a meal there i mean i think
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that kept me alive it kept me out of trouble for a really long time. that kept me alive it kept me out of trouble for a really long time.
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You know the only time i ever did go to a city and. You know the only time i ever did go to a city and.
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You know i was a practicing addict i'm. When it was just terrific. You know i was a practicing addict i'm. When it was just terrific.
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I had a really hard time for about three I had a really hard time for about three
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or four months until i could get it together to come home again and. or four months until i could get it together to come home again and.
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I think i mean for me like. I think i mean for me like.
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I wasn't particularly upfront about my diction of course everybody knew. I wasn't particularly upfront about my diction of course everybody knew.
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But i didn't go around discussing it with people But i didn't go around discussing it with people
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and i guess i didn't pick up heroin and. and i guess i didn't pick up heroin and.
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I had about three years off i think when i first came to the country and I had about three years off i think when i first came to the country and
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when it wasn't here for a while and. You know i sort of did things in town. when it wasn't here for a while and. You know i sort of did things in town.
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I was part of the community I was part of the community
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and so people gave me a lot of leeway for a long time after i sort of became a and so people gave me a lot of leeway for a long time after i sort of became a
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practicing heroin addict again. I think people still loved me and. practicing heroin addict again. I think people still loved me and.
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You know i could get away with things just this you know junkie in town and You know i could get away with things just this you know junkie in town and
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and i mean that's a lot to do with the progression of my disease to you know like and i mean that's a lot to do with the progression of my disease to you know like
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you start off as this sort of gay. you start off as this sort of gay.
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Thing and it takes a long time for the disease of addiction to wear you down Thing and it takes a long time for the disease of addiction to wear you down
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and you know by the time i was 30 to. and you know by the time i was 30 to.
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I was a pretty you know i was a pretty worn out junkie I was a pretty you know i was a pretty worn out junkie
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and i want a lot of my friendships and a lot of my family by that time and i guess. and i want a lot of my friendships and a lot of my family by that time and i guess.
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The only thing i had going for me was that i was a country junkie and The only thing i had going for me was that i was a country junkie and
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that i could survive a lot more easily here in terms of. that i could survive a lot more easily here in terms of.
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I guess must my physical self and my psyche than i could a city junkie I guess must my physical self and my psyche than i could a city junkie
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or about this person as well. or about this person as well.
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I was i was one of those sort of junkies that. I was i was one of those sort of junkies that.
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Kept a lot of fronts up so i was my son was always very well-dressed and. Kept a lot of fronts up so i was my son was always very well-dressed and.
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You know there was always money for shoes and food and so on You know there was always money for shoes and food and so on
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and i kept it from him and i kept it from him
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that i was a junk you know really protected him whereas a lot of people don't do that i was a junk you know really protected him whereas a lot of people don't do
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that so much. I certainly didn't that so much. I certainly didn't
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and i mean my mothering front was great because i could say to myself i'm not. and i mean my mothering front was great because i could say to myself i'm not.
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Too bad a junkie because. Too bad a junkie because.
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Look my kids this that and the other and so Look my kids this that and the other and so
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that was another part of my own denial about the process of my diction basically in that was another part of my own denial about the process of my diction basically in
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that. that.
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You know he grew up around smoking dope You know he grew up around smoking dope
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that everybody's kids did you know like the cops came to our house one day to bust that everybody's kids did you know like the cops came to our house one day to bust
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us and max sat on. us and max sat on.
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A bad diet like a pillow and that was his you know big claim to fame A bad diet like a pillow and that was his you know big claim to fame
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that you know the cops came and i said on the day that you know the cops came and i said on the day
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but they didn't find it does day to day but they didn't find it does day to day
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and i mean most people's kids are probably in that position in and i mean most people's kids are probably in that position in
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that we all had to tell our children that. that we all had to tell our children that.
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You know what we smoke is illegal You know what we smoke is illegal
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and so if anybody ever asks you about it at school or whatever. and so if anybody ever asks you about it at school or whatever.
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No we do not do that thing and and No we do not do that thing and and
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that was just reality so it was always brought up within the framework of that. that was just reality so it was always brought up within the framework of that.
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Illegality i suppose. Illegality i suppose.
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And let's say like narcotics was uncool in the early days And let's say like narcotics was uncool in the early days
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but so was alcohol so i mean we never went and sat in pubs or anything like that. but so was alcohol so i mean we never went and sat in pubs or anything like that.
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Like if you were a good hippy. Like if you were a good hippy.
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You just didn't going to pubs and i didn't going to pubs for about 10 You just didn't going to pubs and i didn't going to pubs for about 10
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or 12 years it wasn't until you know the mid 80s or 12 years it wasn't until you know the mid 80s
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that i even ventured into the nimbin pub and that was a just so weird. that i even ventured into the nimbin pub and that was a just so weird.
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That i started drinking. That i started drinking.
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And also the kids have been brought up And also the kids have been brought up
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and within the framework of an extended family situation here. and within the framework of an extended family situation here.
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I mean that's one of the things. No i mean. I mean that's one of the things. No i mean.
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In country areas you have that In country areas you have that
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but in communities all societies like like we live in here i mean that that. but in communities all societies like like we live in here i mean that that.
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That's even more fundamental. That's even more fundamental.
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I mean the kids get together and they hang around in in groups I mean the kids get together and they hang around in in groups
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and we look after them. and we look after them.
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And i mean you know the community really good you know the kids an audience And i mean you know the community really good you know the kids an audience
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and all the kids and all the kids want to get together and all the kids and all the kids want to get together
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and you're looking after these groups and so i'm basically in that situation. and you're looking after these groups and so i'm basically in that situation.
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I mean. I mean.
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People carry i mean people you know if people are having hard times whether it's People carry i mean people you know if people are having hard times whether it's
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through. Relationships economics indiction whatever. through. Relationships economics indiction whatever.
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I mean people get in there and see what's happening and help each other out I mean people get in there and see what's happening and help each other out
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and so i think they fought with the kids suffered a lot less than they would in a and so i think they fought with the kids suffered a lot less than they would in a
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very housing commission flat in the city or something like very housing commission flat in the city or something like
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that as well i mean that's the thing about country addiction too i mean it is that as well i mean that's the thing about country addiction too i mean it is
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different to the city addiction different to the city addiction
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or the city process of addiction i mean i magine there are people with with kids or the city process of addiction i mean i magine there are people with with kids
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and so on who are city addicts but. and so on who are city addicts but.
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I mean it's it's a very different scenario of here like we we all have lived here I mean it's it's a very different scenario of here like we we all have lived here
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for years and we all had kids our kids went to school together for years and we all had kids our kids went to school together
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and looked after each other and and we looked after each other's kids as well. and looked after each other and and we looked after each other's kids as well.
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And so on. And so on.
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So you know it was it was a really different trips to an isolated safe you're you So you know it was it was a really different trips to an isolated safe you're you
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know living in a flat and st kilda or somewhere know living in a flat and st kilda or somewhere
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and you don't know other mothers like we all knew everybody like we'd and you don't know other mothers like we all knew everybody like we'd
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and we'd go to the school you know like we would put on dark glasses and we'd go to the school you know like we would put on dark glasses
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and go to the school fete because we were still part of the community. and go to the school fete because we were still part of the community.
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You know it's interesting that there were about. You know it's interesting that there were about.
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That here in the community we go. That here in the community we go.
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You know your views on this You know your views on this
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issue. About four years. issue. About four years.
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I think it's very very hard in that. In people kind of race why. I think it's very very hard in that. In people kind of race why.
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I think it's very hard in terms of community notions of addiction because people I think it's very hard in terms of community notions of addiction because people
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kind of rifai addicts and see them as the monstrous other kind of rifai addicts and see them as the monstrous other
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and they see them as somebody to be really feared and people forget and they see them as somebody to be really feared and people forget
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that everybody has an addict or an alcoholic in their families that everybody has an addict or an alcoholic in their families
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and i put the two into the same category. and i put the two into the same category.
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I had an uncle who was an alcoholic somebody else has a sister who was an alcoholic. I had an uncle who was an alcoholic somebody else has a sister who was an alcoholic.
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Somebody has a husband who's. Somebody has a husband who's.
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Drug addict you know Drug addict you know
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and it's really important to not let humans humanness flow away and it's really important to not let humans humanness flow away
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flow out the drain and i think that when people talk about. flow out the drain and i think that when people talk about.
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The addicts and the drug problem. The addicts and the drug problem.
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They just forget it's the person who lives in the house next door They just forget it's the person who lives in the house next door
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and it's really really important to have that sort of notion of of compassion and it's really really important to have that sort of notion of of compassion
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and humanness with with talking about the problem because otherwise you can't get and humanness with with talking about the problem because otherwise you can't get
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any community kind of cohesiveness happening. If you split the community. any community kind of cohesiveness happening. If you split the community.
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You don't you don't have to in fact search for the solution you can just shove You don't you don't have to in fact search for the solution you can just shove
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shove the people out of the community. shove the people out of the community.
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You can show it you know close down the method own program shut down You can show it you know close down the method own program shut down
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and a looks change and then you have people starting to die and a looks change and then you have people starting to die
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and then you have people starting to get desperate and then you have people starting to get desperate
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and again you have you know possibly a serious problem happening helps where and again you have you know possibly a serious problem happening helps where
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but you know probably a serious problem still happening here. but you know probably a serious problem still happening here.
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I mean there are no kind of concrete solvable solutions happening there's just I mean there are no kind of concrete solvable solutions happening there's just
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the idea i think that. the idea i think that.
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We have to look at the problem as a community and and try and sort of. We have to look at the problem as a community and and try and sort of.
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See the people with problems as our friends you know See the people with problems as our friends you know
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and i mean that's really hard for people who don't personally know the addicts like and i mean that's really hard for people who don't personally know the addicts like
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you just walk past people outside the rainbow say you just walk past people outside the rainbow say
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and see some you know skunky person it's really hard. and see some you know skunky person it's really hard.
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It's really easy to sort of vilify them then. And. It's really easy to sort of vilify them then. And.
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And things get hyped up to you know people sit around in groups talking about the And things get hyped up to you know people sit around in groups talking about the
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problem. And they'd say you know something's got to be done about it. problem. And they'd say you know something's got to be done about it.
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Something's got to be done about it but i mean that's. Something's got to be done about it but i mean that's.
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Basically just prompt some kind of vigilante action rather than any kind of Basically just prompt some kind of vigilante action rather than any kind of
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positive solution. positive solution.
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Or a speck of drug problem. Or a speck of drug problem.
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So well i think i think i think part of the reason it's visible is because i don't So well i think i think i think part of the reason it's visible is because i don't
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think women's drug problem is necessarily worse. Then that a lot of other places. think women's drug problem is necessarily worse. Then that a lot of other places.
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I think it's probably better than a lot of i we've got friends who have moved here I think it's probably better than a lot of i we've got friends who have moved here
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from darlinghurst who can't believe the furore about the drug problem because i from darlinghurst who can't believe the furore about the drug problem because i
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think this is heaven compared to what they moved out of in darlinghurst. think this is heaven compared to what they moved out of in darlinghurst.
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I think the drug you know. The problems with addiction. I think the drug you know. The problems with addiction.
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Everywhere i think one of the things about nimbin Everywhere i think one of the things about nimbin
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and one of the healthy things about an imminent and one of the healthy things about an imminent
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that it's not it's not kept behind closed doors and swept under the carpet. that it's not it's not kept behind closed doors and swept under the carpet.
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It's basically. It's basically.
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Pretty much up front and it's pretty pretty discussed on a community level Pretty much up front and it's pretty pretty discussed on a community level
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and it's tried a lot of people try to address it on this level and and it's tried a lot of people try to address it on this level and
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that there's a lot of people within the community trying to do something positive that there's a lot of people within the community trying to do something positive
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about it. And so. about it. And so.
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Yeah probably seems a lot worse than it is and like i said before Yeah probably seems a lot worse than it is and like i said before
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that the drug problem in indonesia is basically just. that the drug problem in indonesia is basically just.
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A label an over simplified label of for a lot of other problems i mean for A label an over simplified label of for a lot of other problems i mean for
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homelessness for teenage runaways for alcoholism for poverty through all these homelessness for teenage runaways for alcoholism for poverty through all these
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sorts of things. I mean people. sorts of things. I mean people.
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I mean all those problems come under the label of the drug problem in most people's I mean all those problems come under the label of the drug problem in most people's
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minds who are observing it and. We're small country town. minds who are observing it and. We're small country town.
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With one street. It's very visible. I mean it's it's very visible and. With one street. It's very visible. I mean it's it's very visible and.
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What is visible is just young people. What is visible is just young people.
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Sitting around outside a rainbow and whether Sitting around outside a rainbow and whether
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or not they in fact have a drug problem is in there or not they in fact have a drug problem is in there
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and they may well just the people who are drinking. and they may well just the people who are drinking.
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For awhile i mean those people go through problems drug and alcohol use. For awhile i mean those people go through problems drug and alcohol use.
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You know between the age of 18 and twenty two. You know between the age of 18 and twenty two.
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There may be kids who are just doing that really normal thing again. There may be kids who are just doing that really normal thing again.
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They're doing it. Visibly. You know they may just as easily just be you know. They're doing it. Visibly. You know they may just as easily just be you know.
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15 year olds who don't want to go to school just sitting around hanging out trying 15 year olds who don't want to go to school just sitting around hanging out trying
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to scare people. You know just looking groovy having fun to scare people. You know just looking groovy having fun
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and there's also this interest i think that it's in it's in there. and there's also this interest i think that it's in it's in there.
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I think the certain vested interest that it's in their. To their advantage to. I think the certain vested interest that it's in their. To their advantage to.
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To clean up the town so that they're their businesses or properties or whatever To clean up the town so that they're their businesses or properties or whatever
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that that
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that they're trying to sell to sort of reasonably affluent middle class people with that they're trying to sell to sort of reasonably affluent middle class people with
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which you will do in various people i mean they will sell land which you will do in various people i mean they will sell land
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or services or goods to them. or services or goods to them.
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They want the town cleaned up because i think these people scare them will scare They want the town cleaned up because i think these people scare them will scare
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these people away and and i think these people away and and i think
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that there's these people whose allusions like i've heard allusions about the myth that there's these people whose allusions like i've heard allusions about the myth
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of nimbin have been shattered by the reality. of nimbin have been shattered by the reality.
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They've got a vivid vested interest in their illusions they want to find somebody They've got a vivid vested interest in their illusions they want to find somebody
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to blame all their dream didn't come true and i mean all these people got there. to blame all their dream didn't come true and i mean all these people got there.
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If this interests in beating up this hype about the drug problem in nimbin If this interests in beating up this hype about the drug problem in nimbin
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and really like i don't think it's any worse than anywhere else. and really like i don't think it's any worse than anywhere else.
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I think it's probably a lot healthier than other places because because like i said I think it's probably a lot healthier than other places because because like i said
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on a lot of because it is it is upfront and and it is being talked about on a lot of because it is it is upfront and and it is being talked about
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and people are trying to find solutions and people are trying to find solutions
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and it's i mean i mean what i was thinking then you know like i think the person and it's i mean i mean what i was thinking then you know like i think the person
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was really offended was really offended
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when he was asked if he wanted to find out more king down the street. when he was asked if he wanted to find out more king down the street.
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And they perceive these people to be sort of really kind of system drug addicts And they perceive these people to be sort of really kind of system drug addicts
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and. I think a difference. You know. Between kids using bits the. and. I think a difference. You know. Between kids using bits the.
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Getting a bit here and the way we all sat around 20 years ago getting really quite. Getting a bit here and the way we all sat around 20 years ago getting really quite.
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Based on smoking dope. I mean is that acceptable is. Based on smoking dope. I mean is that acceptable is.
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Acceptable to sort of sit in the main street really style and Acceptable to sort of sit in the main street really style and
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and quite comatose on smoking dope and quite comatose on smoking dope
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but not on other drugs like i think that's one of the hardest things about nimbin but not on other drugs like i think that's one of the hardest things about nimbin
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is that there's this drug specificity that it's okay to smoke smoking dope still is that there's this drug specificity that it's okay to smoke smoking dope still
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and to me that it's held us back as a community. and to me that it's held us back as a community.
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It's held us back in terms of what people are cheap in the community. It's held us back in terms of what people are cheap in the community.
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I mean this is very much protestant work ethic I mean this is very much protestant work ethic
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but you know look if you're sitting around smoking don't you don't do as much you but you know look if you're sitting around smoking don't you don't do as much you
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don't you don't have the most wonderful guns in the world. don't you don't have the most wonderful guns in the world.
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Maybe you don't sort of be as creative or whatever Maybe you don't sort of be as creative or whatever
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but to me a drug is a drug is a drug but to me a drug is a drug is a drug
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and there's just as many problems with people sitting around smoking dope as there and there's just as many problems with people sitting around smoking dope as there
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are you know we drunks. are you know we drunks.
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Beating up on people always you know people sticking needles and there are these Beating up on people always you know people sticking needles and there are these
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and i mean there's this there's this sort of. and i mean there's this there's this sort of.
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Acceptability about drugs that you know it's it's okay to sit on the street Acceptability about drugs that you know it's it's okay to sit on the street
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or to sit somewhere smoking dope and it's not okay to use the other drugs or to sit somewhere smoking dope and it's not okay to use the other drugs
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and i find and i find
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that really senses the bottom line is always people have got their own barrow to that really senses the bottom line is always people have got their own barrow to
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push and the people push and the people
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and the people who get vilified of the most power powerless people in the community. and the people who get vilified of the most power powerless people in the community.
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Basically the young homeless kids. Basically the young homeless kids.
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The the addicts the psych patients who are being kicked out of their halfway houses The the addicts the psych patients who are being kicked out of their halfway houses
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these are the people. these are the people.
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These are people that are always problems These are people that are always problems
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that everywheres got their blame for some reason that everywheres got their blame for some reason
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and in people's mind it makes it all very simple and in people's mind it makes it all very simple
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and easy if we can just blame everything on these sort of outlandish out of looking and easy if we can just blame everything on these sort of outlandish out of looking
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scruffy people. scruffy people.
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I'm doing just get rid of them and then everything will be okay and I'm doing just get rid of them and then everything will be okay and
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and the people sitting around getting drunk in the pub think oh you know it's all and the people sitting around getting drunk in the pub think oh you know it's all
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their problem and if we go out and beat up a couple of them their problem and if we go out and beat up a couple of them
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and teach them a lesson you know everything will be okay and. You know it's just. and teach them a lesson you know everything will be okay and. You know it's just.
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So why is just so wide off the mark. So why is just so wide off the mark.
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Yet this this simplistic this simplistic sort of. Yet this this simplistic this simplistic sort of.
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Vigilante sort of philosophies has pushed as a wave of solving always problems all Vigilante sort of philosophies has pushed as a wave of solving always problems all
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these problems. Funny because i mean in many ways nimbin was about being marginal. these problems. Funny because i mean in many ways nimbin was about being marginal.
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I mean 20 years ago we were we were all very marginalised. I mean 20 years ago we were we were all very marginalised.
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You know by a to choose and ideologies of the time You know by a to choose and ideologies of the time
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and you know as i said before fashions change and. and you know as i said before fashions change and.
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And i guess we grow older and and. The marginal become. And i guess we grow older and and. The marginal become.
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You know more offensive to us in many ways. You know more offensive to us in many ways.
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You know i still i guess i don't like picking up hitchhikers because they smell. You know i still i guess i don't like picking up hitchhikers because they smell.
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You know like i reckon people can always have a birdbath or whatever but. You know like i reckon people can always have a birdbath or whatever but.
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You know that that sort of thing of the marginal do become. You know that that sort of thing of the marginal do become.
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Stems crime yeah and we have become the status quo and stuff like that. Stems crime yeah and we have become the status quo and stuff like that.
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When i was using drugs. When i was using drugs.
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I used to walk in the rainforest because i go up there to grow dope and. I used to walk in the rainforest because i go up there to grow dope and.
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Look at you know. Look at you know.
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Things like huge strangler vines that were quite extraordinary and i go. Things like huge strangler vines that were quite extraordinary and i go.
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God i'm so lucky to live here and be able to look at this sort of thing. God i'm so lucky to live here and be able to look at this sort of thing.
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And i could recognise that intellectually And i could recognise that intellectually
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but i only realised after i got clean from all drugs but i only realised after i got clean from all drugs
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that in fact i had no connection with that reality that in fact i had no connection with that reality
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and probably the best part about living here for me in particular living here and probably the best part about living here for me in particular living here
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totally drug free is to look at mine violent totally drug free is to look at mine violent
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and to be part of my own bind and to be part of my own bind
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and in some kind of connection with it on a spiritual level and in some kind of connection with it on a spiritual level
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and i just feel a real numinous. and i just feel a real numinous.
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Joy in that and i don't experience Joy in that and i don't experience
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that in other places as much as i do here. When i can walk. that in other places as much as i do here. When i can walk.
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In parts of sydney and feel In parts of sydney and feel
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that too in parts of melbourne i mean it's not a peculiarly country experience by that too in parts of melbourne i mean it's not a peculiarly country experience by
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any by any stretch. But i do feel. any by any stretch. But i do feel.
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And here we go into the realms of the arcane i do feel And here we go into the realms of the arcane i do feel
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that women is is a very special spot. that women is is a very special spot.
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Not for the people not for for anything Not for the people not for for anything
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that we've done in the last 200 years here. that we've done in the last 200 years here.
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But i do feel it as one of those places that is very magical. But i do feel it as one of those places that is very magical.
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I mean it's the only word you can describe it. Some sometimes here. I mean it's the only word you can describe it. Some sometimes here.
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Your heart lives up in a really beautiful way. Your heart lives up in a really beautiful way.
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And i always get homesick for this area and want and want to come home. And i always get homesick for this area and want and want to come home.
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I suppose you know any place can become home. I suppose you know any place can become home.
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But for me this this place has become a very special spot. But for me this this place has become a very special spot.
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And i guess the people to you know like the people who stayed And i guess the people to you know like the people who stayed
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are a lot of fun. You know and people have come and gone over the years are a lot of fun. You know and people have come and gone over the years
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and i mean they to you know have their place here and i mean they to you know have their place here
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but for the people who came here and decided to stay but for the people who came here and decided to stay
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and have just kept on year after year. and have just kept on year after year.
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I mean we are a community and that I mean we are a community and that
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that sense of community is is very special also because. that sense of community is is very special also because.
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Certainly i mean i've lived in other country towns you can walk down the street Certainly i mean i've lived in other country towns you can walk down the street
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and you can not and say hello to everybody but i mean we share a continuity and you can not and say hello to everybody but i mean we share a continuity
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and concern and continuum here that goes back over a long time and. and concern and continuum here that goes back over a long time and.
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And that's a special thing to. And that's a special thing to.
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I just think I just think
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that the really really strong thing about the community up here is the fact that the really really strong thing about the community up here is the fact
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that we do really sort of cherish the diversity of. People i mean here. that we do really sort of cherish the diversity of. People i mean here.
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The junkies can come. I mean by homeless kids come. The ferals come. The junkies can come. I mean by homeless kids come. The ferals come.
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The psych patients come give me all the you know i mean here basically all these The psych patients come give me all the you know i mean here basically all these
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people come and. And they're taken they're taken as they are. people come and. And they're taken they're taken as they are.
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I mean they're not vilified for that they're there. I mean they're not vilified for that they're there.
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If i me if if i get on in the community they're accepted that there's doors open. If i me if if i get on in the community they're accepted that there's doors open.
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I mean i can get on that the diversity here is I mean i can get on that the diversity here is
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that humans is pretty much cherished and i think. that humans is pretty much cherished and i think.
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I think that's a fantastic thing i think. I think that's a fantastic thing i think.
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That's the issue that's going on at the moment i mean the pressures in outside That's the issue that's going on at the moment i mean the pressures in outside
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society i mean. They want to modularize people like that. society i mean. They want to modularize people like that.
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That's the global sort of pressure homogenise everything. That's the global sort of pressure homogenise everything.
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I mean what you've got here is. Is incredible. I mean what you've got here is. Is incredible.
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I mean incredible range just all sorts and mania x and I mean incredible range just all sorts and mania x and
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and. And just all sorts of people and we get on. and. And just all sorts of people and we get on.
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I mean we do get on and. I mean we do get on and.
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And the community as a whole does really resist this pressure to homogenise in this And the community as a whole does really resist this pressure to homogenise in this
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this pressure to. this pressure to.
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To to vilify marginal people and i think that's the strength of this community To to vilify marginal people and i think that's the strength of this community
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and that's and that's that's what a lot of tea. I mean. A lot of the old. and that's and that's that's what a lot of tea. I mean. A lot of the old.
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Settlers who have been here a long time. I mean. Settlers who have been here a long time. I mean.
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That's where our strength lies in our in our desire to preserve the diversity not That's where our strength lies in our in our desire to preserve the diversity not
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only of the rainforests but that of human culture and people and all only of the rainforests but that of human culture and people and all
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that the different subcultures that exist and i think that's why i mean or go on that the different subcultures that exist and i think that's why i mean or go on
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and that's why issues like drug addiction will be sort of kicked about and. and that's why issues like drug addiction will be sort of kicked about and.
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About you know in the open and that's why that's why when when when About you know in the open and that's why that's why when when when
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when commercial when commercial
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and economic pressures come on onto this community to clean itself up and economic pressures come on onto this community to clean itself up
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and to you know rub out the messy bits and to you know rub out the messy bits
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and move them on on in the community will push back because. and move them on on in the community will push back because.
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I think i think that diversity is where our strength lies I think i think that diversity is where our strength lies
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and i think i think will maintain you know against. and i think i think will maintain you know against.
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Against the legal the commercial you know the cultural pressures Against the legal the commercial you know the cultural pressures
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that we're bombarded with and i think that's the strength community that we're bombarded with and i think that's the strength community
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and one reason i really love here is. and one reason i really love here is.