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Tape I.D, it's uh Tape I.D, it's uh
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of November 1992, we're in Lismore and talking to of November 1992, we're in Lismore and talking to
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Josh Martin. (Yep.) Okay. Josh Martin. (Yep.) Okay.
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So start just by saying, who you are and how you to be, how you came to Nimbin, when you [inaudible]. [Josh] Right. So start just by saying, who you are and how you to be, how you came to Nimbin, when you [inaudible]. [Josh] Right.
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OK, um, my name, (yep). OK, My name 's OK, um, my name, (yep). OK, My name 's
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Joshua Martin and I first came to Nimbin Joshua Martin and I first came to Nimbin
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when I was about 2 years old. I came out, um with my parents from England. when I was about 2 years old. I came out, um with my parents from England.
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and um, we arrived in Western Australia and travelled right the way across the country. and um, we arrived in Western Australia and travelled right the way across the country.
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My parents were basically um, searching for an alternative lifestyle to what they'd My parents were basically um, searching for an alternative lifestyle to what they'd
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experienced when they were my age um, in England and they ended up in Nimbin experienced when they were my age um, in England and they ended up in Nimbin
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and um, they were sort of directed out to the commune there and um, they were sort of directed out to the commune there
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and we ended up staying in the area for about 10 years. [Interviewer] So and we ended up staying in the area for about 10 years. [Interviewer] So
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What are your earliest memories? What are your earliest memories?
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Well, the earliest thing I remember was, um, in Tuntable Falls Well, the earliest thing I remember was, um, in Tuntable Falls
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when we were living in this kind of, um.. when we were living in this kind of, um..
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Well I suppose you could call it a house. It was a wooden platform with a big old Well I suppose you could call it a house. It was a wooden platform with a big old
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army tent and a sort of, light construction over the top of it army tent and a sort of, light construction over the top of it
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and struggling to get it built in the wet season and with you know, ticks and struggling to get it built in the wet season and with you know, ticks
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and rain and all the rest of it and rain and all the rest of it
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and I just remember having complete freedom to sort of swim in the creek and I just remember having complete freedom to sort of swim in the creek
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and run around there and run around there
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and you know there are a lot of other young kids my age sort of just. and you know there are a lot of other young kids my age sort of just.
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Learning to adventure around the whole place and it was fantastic. Learning to adventure around the whole place and it was fantastic.
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I just remember running around, you know, in the sun, um, on Tuntable. I just remember running around, you know, in the sun, um, on Tuntable.
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[Interviewer] So there is nothing about your early childhood years that you would swap for any one? [Josh] Aw, I suppose, um, [Interviewer] So there is nothing about your early childhood years that you would swap for any one? [Josh] Aw, I suppose, um,
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I would, I would have swapped a little bit of the um, the actual security of knowing I would, I would have swapped a little bit of the um, the actual security of knowing
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that you have a completely secure home. that you have a completely secure home.
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Like because we did move around quite a bit and a lot of the dwellings Like because we did move around quite a bit and a lot of the dwellings
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that we were living in were pretty kind of makeshift, from time to time. that we were living in were pretty kind of makeshift, from time to time.
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But then again you know, there are a lot of sort of advantages But then again you know, there are a lot of sort of advantages
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that come along with that as well because you know, I always felt that come along with that as well because you know, I always felt
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that I was part of a larger community and stuff like that that I was part of a larger community and stuff like that
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and I definitely wouldn't have swapped any of that. and I definitely wouldn't have swapped any of that.
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How did um, you How did um, you
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you were part of the community. How did you relate to the other people in the commune? [Josh] Well it was. you were part of the community. How did you relate to the other people in the commune? [Josh] Well it was.
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I suppose I felt like I was part of a larger community because we were also sort of I suppose I felt like I was part of a larger community because we were also sort of
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involved in the same things. Like my family and all of the other families involved in the same things. Like my family and all of the other families
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and people there were all sort of, hand building their houses and people there were all sort of, hand building their houses
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and all facing the problems of, all you know, of food and community living and all facing the problems of, all you know, of food and community living
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and stuff like that together. and stuff like that together.
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And so, like, I saw adults interacting in a different way to what you see them in And so, like, I saw adults interacting in a different way to what you see them in
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mainstream society. And, um, that was reflected in the children as well mainstream society. And, um, that was reflected in the children as well
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like, we sort of stayed together as a larger group a lot more like, we sort of stayed together as a larger group a lot more
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and um, sort of did a lot more of our sort of daily activities together and um and um, sort of did a lot more of our sort of daily activities together and um
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I suppose my experience of it was just as feeling I suppose my experience of it was just as feeling
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that all of the adults around me were a part of my family and that all of the adults around me were a part of my family and
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that, you know, even faces that, you know, even faces
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that I only just recognised I knew I could trust because of the way that I only just recognised I knew I could trust because of the way
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that I'd seen them living around me. And the same with all the children. that I'd seen them living around me. And the same with all the children.
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And I found it very easy to meet And I found it very easy to meet
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and play with a lot of different children because I knew and play with a lot of different children because I knew
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that we were all just part of this sort of big farm together. that we were all just part of this sort of big farm together.
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So what about your education? How was that different do you think or? So what about your education? How was that different do you think or?
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Well my education in Nimbin was interesting because I spent some time in the alternative Well my education in Nimbin was interesting because I spent some time in the alternative
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schools there schools there
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but then I also spent most of my primary school years at the 'straight school' as it but then I also spent most of my primary school years at the 'straight school' as it
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was called which was like the Nimbin Central School. And um..It was at a time was called which was like the Nimbin Central School. And um..It was at a time
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when children from the alternative families when children from the alternative families
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and the hippy settlers around the place were starting to um, go to the sort of Central and the hippy settlers around the place were starting to um, go to the sort of Central
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School and there was starting to actually be interaction between the hippy kids School and there was starting to actually be interaction between the hippy kids
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and the straight kids. And and the straight kids. And
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you can imagine it was quite a kind of intense sort of thing you can imagine it was quite a kind of intense sort of thing
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that was going on within the classrooms because there was a lot of contention between that was going on within the classrooms because there was a lot of contention between
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them which I suppose was just a reflection of the tension in the whole community them which I suppose was just a reflection of the tension in the whole community
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But, um, that tension between us, sort of dissipated But, um, that tension between us, sort of dissipated
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and we actually got our acts together over the years that I was in primary school. and we actually got our acts together over the years that I was in primary school.
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And it was a really interesting thing because I remember at, like, you know, in years And it was a really interesting thing because I remember at, like, you know, in years
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One and two and three, um, feeling very sort of threatened One and two and three, um, feeling very sort of threatened
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and intimidated by the um, straight kids and um, very separate from them and intimidated by the um, straight kids and um, very separate from them
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and then over the years. and then over the years.
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Actually everything became a lot more relaxed and a lot more positive Actually everything became a lot more relaxed and a lot more positive
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and by the end of and by the end of
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that time there was actually a real lot of positive stuff happening. that time there was actually a real lot of positive stuff happening.
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And um, it was funny because I didn't see as much of And um, it was funny because I didn't see as much of
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that in the adult community as I did that in the adult community as I did
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among the kids. And so, you know..It was I suppose among the kids. And so, you know..It was I suppose
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that was a kind of a special thing that was going on. [Interviewer] When those lines of division were there that was a kind of a special thing that was going on. [Interviewer] When those lines of division were there
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what was it about um, the straight kids, that we, what were the areas of difference? [Josh] Well, what was it about um, the straight kids, that we, what were the areas of difference? [Josh] Well,
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All of the straight kids felt as though um, All of the straight kids felt as though um,
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The hippy children in their school were sort of dirty The hippy children in their school were sort of dirty
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and um, weren't as sort of refined as them and um, weren't as sort of refined as them
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and didn't have a Christian upbringing, was a very important part of it. And, um. and didn't have a Christian upbringing, was a very important part of it. And, um.
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Also kind of felt that their parents and that they as well. Also kind of felt that their parents and that they as well.
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Were an intrusion into the kind of routine and the pattern Were an intrusion into the kind of routine and the pattern
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that had been set up in that area that had been set up in that area
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and I suppose in a way that's rightly so because we were playing in what used to be and I suppose in a way that's rightly so because we were playing in what used to be
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their playgrounds and their older brother's playgrounds and stuff like that, but um. their playgrounds and their older brother's playgrounds and stuff like that, but um.
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I suppose as the years went by and they realized I suppose as the years went by and they realized
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that we could be just as much fun and just as creative that we could be just as much fun and just as creative
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and just as kind of into sport and into all of those things and just as kind of into sport and into all of those things
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that they were into, all of that started to break away that they were into, all of that started to break away
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and I remember sort of in, in my year in particular and I remember sort of in, in my year in particular
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Every time we all went on an excursion together or did something Every time we all went on an excursion together or did something
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that brought us together, all of that stuff started to break down that brought us together, all of that stuff started to break down
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and I suppose you know it did break down a lot faster among us than it did among the and I suppose you know it did break down a lot faster among us than it did among the
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adults. And you know we would have parties adults. And you know we would have parties
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and I remember um, having parties myself where straight kids would come over and I remember um, having parties myself where straight kids would come over
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and they would look different and speak differently and all that kind of stuff and they would look different and speak differently and all that kind of stuff
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and they would kind of tentatively walk into our house and they would kind of tentatively walk into our house
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and see all of the sort of hippy ornaments and stuff like that around the place and see all of the sort of hippy ornaments and stuff like that around the place
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and just be absolutely fascinated that they were allowed to go inside that and just be absolutely fascinated that they were allowed to go inside that
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when their parents were so hesitant about having anything to do with when their parents were so hesitant about having anything to do with
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that part of the community. that part of the community.
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And you know, um, they were actually quite proud of themselves And you know, um, they were actually quite proud of themselves
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that they were able to go that they were able to go
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and you know participate with us and to let us into their lives as well. and you know participate with us and to let us into their lives as well.
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Because you know it was something that their parents just weren't able to do Because you know it was something that their parents just weren't able to do
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and I mean I go to meetings now and I'm 19 years old and I mean I go to meetings now and I'm 19 years old
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and I see all of the faces of those straight kid's parents and I see all of the faces of those straight kid's parents
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and it's still just a wall of resistance, you know? and it's still just a wall of resistance, you know?
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And I remember sort of 10 years ago, And I remember sort of 10 years ago,
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breaking through that wall with all those kids and having a great time with them, breaking through that wall with all those kids and having a great time with them,
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but now you know it's just there are some things in that community but now you know it's just there are some things in that community
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that will never change. You know? that will never change. You know?
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Is there a thing that you remember that might, that is Is there a thing that you remember that might, that is
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in the middle of um, the tensions between those two communities? [Josh] Um, in the middle of um, the tensions between those two communities? [Josh] Um,
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I suppose. Among the adults the thing that I remember is I suppose. Among the adults the thing that I remember is
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Walking up, see we lived in a house just behind um, craft gallery in town there for Walking up, see we lived in a house just behind um, craft gallery in town there for
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quite a long time. We had that house for 10 years quite a long time. We had that house for 10 years
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and I remember walking up at nighttime and just seeing the kind of things and I remember walking up at nighttime and just seeing the kind of things
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that were going on in the streets there. And a lot of them that were going on in the streets there. And a lot of them
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I didn't really understand I didn't really understand
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but I could actually see the mechanism between the straights but I could actually see the mechanism between the straights
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and the hippies at work. and the hippies at work.
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And, you know, I would see a bunch of really aggressive kind of, you know people run And, you know, I would see a bunch of really aggressive kind of, you know people run
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across from the Rainbow Cafe and punch in the windows of the pub across from the Rainbow Cafe and punch in the windows of the pub
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and then run away and then run away
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and all the straights would come running out of the pub you know around closing time and all the straights would come running out of the pub you know around closing time
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and fight with these people in the street. And I saw that happening a lot and fight with these people in the street. And I saw that happening a lot
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and you know um, it was a kind of two sides of the street type of thing going on for and you know um, it was a kind of two sides of the street type of thing going on for
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quite a while. And I just remember quite a while. And I just remember
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you know, hearing a lot of complaints about the way you know, hearing a lot of complaints about the way
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that the straights lived in the town from, from the alternative people like that the straights lived in the town from, from the alternative people like
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the noise from the pub. And the alcohol and all that kind of stuff. the noise from the pub. And the alcohol and all that kind of stuff.
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And you know, those kind of criticisms were just as strong as the criticisms from And you know, those kind of criticisms were just as strong as the criticisms from
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straight people about you know smoking grass in the street and stuff like straight people about you know smoking grass in the street and stuff like
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that as well. And so I suppose you know you ask me about criticisms that as well. And so I suppose you know you ask me about criticisms
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and straightaway I'm talking about the drug issue there an' it, you know, it seems to be and straightaway I'm talking about the drug issue there an' it, you know, it seems to be
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what everything leads to doesn't? [Interviewer] So, was there in a sense um, a bit of hypocrisy on both sides? [Josh] Yeah, absolutely. what everything leads to doesn't? [Interviewer] So, was there in a sense um, a bit of hypocrisy on both sides? [Josh] Yeah, absolutely.
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Because you know um, Because you know um,
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(Start again.) OK, alright um, there was a lot of hypocrisy um, in, in terms of those two sides (Start again.) OK, alright um, there was a lot of hypocrisy um, in, in terms of those two sides
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of the community criticising each other because you've got all of, you know all of of the community criticising each other because you've got all of, you know all of
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these straights in town at night getting really really drunk in the pub these straights in town at night getting really really drunk in the pub
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and playing a lot of really loud music and getting aggressive and violent and playing a lot of really loud music and getting aggressive and violent
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and tearing up and down in their cars and all that type of thing and tearing up and down in their cars and all that type of thing
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and then their wives and then their wives
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and their families are criticising the alternative community for smoking drugs in the and their families are criticising the alternative community for smoking drugs in the
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street and for that disrupting their community, and yet the community street and for that disrupting their community, and yet the community
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that they were talking about, you know it had a very sort of destructive face to it that they were talking about, you know it had a very sort of destructive face to it
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as well, and I remember, you know, on all the straight kids farms as well, and I remember, you know, on all the straight kids farms
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there was, you know, a lot of kind of guns and a lot of violence there was, you know, a lot of kind of guns and a lot of violence
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and a lot of sort of, stories about domestic violence and stuff like that and a lot of sort of, stories about domestic violence and stuff like that
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and it was all very scary to me. Just the same way and it was all very scary to me. Just the same way
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that among those straight families, you know the whole idea of kind of smoking dope that among those straight families, you know the whole idea of kind of smoking dope
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in your family and in your family and
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and, sort of you know people hanging around naked on your community must have been and, sort of you know people hanging around naked on your community must have been
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very scary to them. [Interviewer] So what was some of the things that very scary to them. [Interviewer] So what was some of the things that
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You mentioned some of the things, nudity and smoking. [Josh] Mhm You mentioned some of the things, nudity and smoking. [Josh] Mhm
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What was some of the other things that where sort of natural parts of your life when you where growing up? That would have been different for them? [Josh] Um What was some of the other things that where sort of natural parts of your life when you where growing up? That would have been different for them? [Josh] Um
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Well the whole thing about um, relating to other adults in a similar way to how you do Well the whole thing about um, relating to other adults in a similar way to how you do
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with your parents and you know, sort of feeling that, that feeling of trust with your parents and you know, sort of feeling that, that feeling of trust
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and feeling comfortable around a whole community of people and feeling comfortable around a whole community of people
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and spending a lot of time you know in sort of families and spending a lot of time you know in sort of families
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situations in other people's places and stuff like that situations in other people's places and stuff like that
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and also feeling as though not just your house is the safe place in the world and also feeling as though not just your house is the safe place in the world
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but like the whole community is somewhere where you belong but like the whole community is somewhere where you belong
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and that you know, you can kind of wonder among all those different people and that you know, you can kind of wonder among all those different people
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and still feel at home. And I think and still feel at home. And I think
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that was the main thing because I noticed, you know among the straight kids that was the main thing because I noticed, you know among the straight kids
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that they had a very kind of territorial thing about their mum and their dad that they had a very kind of territorial thing about their mum and their dad
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and their family. And I sort of just really never felt that. [Interviewer] And obviously and their family. And I sort of just really never felt that. [Interviewer] And obviously
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a positive thing, positive thing about your life. [Josh] Yeah absolutely. a positive thing, positive thing about your life. [Josh] Yeah absolutely.
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Because I mean, you know my parents still played just as powerful a role in my life Because I mean, you know my parents still played just as powerful a role in my life
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It just that there was also this whole sort of added security of knowing that It just that there was also this whole sort of added security of knowing that
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that you know you were a part of this kind a, a, meaningful thing going on all around that you know you were a part of this kind a, a, meaningful thing going on all around
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you and all of those people celebrated together and worked together and did all you and all of those people celebrated together and worked together and did all
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that kind of stuff and you know, um. that kind of stuff and you know, um.
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Just that, that feeling of assurance was Just that, that feeling of assurance was
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that was what I felt surrounded by my whole childhood. (Wow) that was what I felt surrounded by my whole childhood. (Wow)
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Things, you think you have learnt from um, growing up in that environment? You know apart from that, Things, you think you have learnt from um, growing up in that environment? You know apart from that,
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That feeling, I mean, was there an outward, [Josh] Mhmm [Interviewer] outward looking part to that? To how you [Josh] Yep [Interviewer] saw the rest of the world? That feeling, I mean, was there an outward, [Josh] Mhmm [Interviewer] outward looking part to that? To how you [Josh] Yep [Interviewer] saw the rest of the world?
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Yeah. Um, I think I learnt a lot about um, being open minded to people's points of view Yeah. Um, I think I learnt a lot about um, being open minded to people's points of view
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and being acceptant of people's limitations and stuff like that. and being acceptant of people's limitations and stuff like that.
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And I think I learnt about umm, sort of, listening to people And I think I learnt about umm, sort of, listening to people
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and being compassionate t-to people's, kind of, predicament or to people's situation and being compassionate t-to people's, kind of, predicament or to people's situation
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and so rather than always having a, kind of, you know a motivated, sort of, point of and so rather than always having a, kind of, you know a motivated, sort of, point of
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view about things where you've got something to prove view about things where you've got something to prove
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or you've made a decision - how you feel about things - to actually, sort of, let things or you've made a decision - how you feel about things - to actually, sort of, let things
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flow a bit more and t-to see situations change and come and go flow a bit more and t-to see situations change and come and go
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and to be a bit more accepting of that kind of thing. And I don't know, and to be a bit more accepting of that kind of thing. And I don't know,
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you know, how much it's actually rubbed off, say, politically, or anything like that you know, how much it's actually rubbed off, say, politically, or anything like that
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but I would say that, you know, just in terms of kind of, social situations but I would say that, you know, just in terms of kind of, social situations
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and stuff like that, I think, umm, a little bit more easy-going about, you know, about and stuff like that, I think, umm, a little bit more easy-going about, you know, about
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that type of thing. It's hard to actually explain, that type of thing. It's hard to actually explain,
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You know the way You know the way
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that those values affect your behaviour now, because um, you know it's pretty much that those values affect your behaviour now, because um, you know it's pretty much
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invisible to me invisible to me
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and I don't feel, I don't feel different to all of the, you know, people in mainstream and I don't feel, I don't feel different to all of the, you know, people in mainstream
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society that I'm relating to now society that I'm relating to now
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but sometimes I feel as though I'm a little bit ready, more ready to be open minded but sometimes I feel as though I'm a little bit ready, more ready to be open minded
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into graft situations for what they are, than people who have got a whole load of, into graft situations for what they are, than people who have got a whole load of,
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kind of, preconceived ideas kind of, preconceived ideas
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that they've been taught in a very linear way from their family and their parents. that they've been taught in a very linear way from their family and their parents.
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So what are, what are the downsides of Nimbin? Growing up in Nimbin? What were they for you? [Josh] Umm. [Interviewer] Were there any? So what are, what are the downsides of Nimbin? Growing up in Nimbin? What were they for you? [Josh] Umm. [Interviewer] Were there any?
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No there weren't. The only, umm, the only sort of frightening situations No there weren't. The only, umm, the only sort of frightening situations
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that I can remember, were sort of, up in town late at night that I can remember, were sort of, up in town late at night
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when, umm, you know, there was sort of violence going on around me when, umm, you know, there was sort of violence going on around me
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and I felt, really, kind of, afraid and alone. and I felt, really, kind of, afraid and alone.
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And I remember sometimes, sort of, out at the bush halls And I remember sometimes, sort of, out at the bush halls
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when they'd have, big, umm, dances and bands out there when they'd have, big, umm, dances and bands out there
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and sometimes, um, those kind of situations would get ugly and sometimes, um, those kind of situations would get ugly
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and I would suddenly feel completely alienated from the whole thing and and I would suddenly feel completely alienated from the whole thing and
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that could be very frightening sometimes. And I suppose that could be very frightening sometimes. And I suppose
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like, living there has also been conducive to me, kind of, you know, trying different like, living there has also been conducive to me, kind of, you know, trying different
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drugs and stuff like that which um, you know I probably um. drugs and stuff like that which um, you know I probably um.
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It's not that I regret doing it, it just that I realise now It's not that I regret doing it, it just that I realise now
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that there's actually, you know, no need to go as far into that there's actually, you know, no need to go as far into
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that as a lot of people do. that as a lot of people do.
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And so I suppose, you know, I didn't, I didn't need that kind of thing And so I suppose, you know, I didn't, I didn't need that kind of thing
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but then there are a lot of other people who have those kind of, you know, who have but then there are a lot of other people who have those kind of, you know, who have
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other reference points. other reference points.
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You know, um, forced upon them as well, like you know all those people who get into You know, um, forced upon them as well, like you know all those people who get into
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driving fast cars around driving fast cars around
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and all those people who get into just hanging out at the beach and all those people who get into just hanging out at the beach
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and doing nothing else, you know, it's just the thing that young people do together and doing nothing else, you know, it's just the thing that young people do together
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and it doesn't, in the end it doesn't matter whether it's one and it doesn't, in the end it doesn't matter whether it's one
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or the other, you know, so no. I don't think there were any downsides at all. or the other, you know, so no. I don't think there were any downsides at all.
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What about your friends and your peers who you grew up with? I mean.. What directions did they take? Did any of them sort of.. What about your friends and your peers who you grew up with? I mean.. What directions did they take? Did any of them sort of..
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fall into the, you know, drugs area, or? [Josh] I s'pose, um fall into the, you know, drugs area, or? [Josh] I s'pose, um
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That makes your original question a little bit more clear. That makes your original question a little bit more clear.
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For me there were um, less downsides in growing up in For me there were um, less downsides in growing up in
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that community because we also maintained a lot of ties with people outside that community because we also maintained a lot of ties with people outside
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and I was aware of the value of a lot of things and I was aware of the value of a lot of things
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that were going on in mainstream society and I was aware that were going on in mainstream society and I was aware
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that I was going to participate. that I was going to participate.
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And And
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that although I was growing up in this nice kind of, insular supportive community that although I was growing up in this nice kind of, insular supportive community
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that I had a role to play in mainstream society as well, and that I had a role to play in mainstream society as well, and
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that, you know, I needed to be able to communicate that, you know, I needed to be able to communicate
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and I needed to be able to be, sort of, well presented and confident and I needed to be able to be, sort of, well presented and confident
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and straightforward and all that type of thing. and straightforward and all that type of thing.
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And so, you know, um, I managed to learn a bit about open mindedness and letting go And so, you know, um, I managed to learn a bit about open mindedness and letting go
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and stuff like that by living there. and stuff like that by living there.
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But then also keep it together enough to go back and, and do something But then also keep it together enough to go back and, and do something
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that I consider to be worthwhile. You know, participating with everyone. that I consider to be worthwhile. You know, participating with everyone.
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Whereas, a lot of people, who, you know, grew up as hippies out there became very Whereas, a lot of people, who, you know, grew up as hippies out there became very
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resentful about a lot of things in mainstream society resentful about a lot of things in mainstream society
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that made them very, kind of, afraid to participate that made them very, kind of, afraid to participate
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and so they became really, kind of, afraid of the way that the government works and so they became really, kind of, afraid of the way that the government works
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and afraid of the way that the system works, and afraid of a lot of things and afraid of the way that the system works, and afraid of a lot of things
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that people do, you know, on a large scale because, you know, they weren't used to all that people do, you know, on a large scale because, you know, they weren't used to all
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those mechanisms. And they weren't open minded to it. And they've been taught those mechanisms. And they weren't open minded to it. And they've been taught
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that all that was really bad. And that's why their parents ran away from it. that all that was really bad. And that's why their parents ran away from it.
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And so a lot of those people have really, you know, fallen by the wayside And so a lot of those people have really, you know, fallen by the wayside
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and found very little to turn to, other than sort of, you know, drugs and found very little to turn to, other than sort of, you know, drugs
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and kind of, you know, very, kind of, how would you say, close knit, afraid, little groups and kind of, you know, very, kind of, how would you say, close knit, afraid, little groups
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that they hide in. And you see a lot of those people in the streets in Nimbin. that they hide in. And you see a lot of those people in the streets in Nimbin.
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I guess, you, haven't grown up there. I guess, you, haven't grown up there.
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You're..I guess instantly always having to defend You're..I guess instantly always having to defend
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Nimbin against that accusation about drugs. I mean...How do you feel about that? [Josh] Well, um Nimbin against that accusation about drugs. I mean...How do you feel about that? [Josh] Well, um
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It's, you know, a very important industry. Um. It's, you know, a very important industry. Um.
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There are, sort of, you know, a lot of people, pushing, heroin and stuff like There are, sort of, you know, a lot of people, pushing, heroin and stuff like
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that through this area, who, kind of, you know, realise that it's a lot.. that through this area, who, kind of, you know, realise that it's a lot..
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It can be a lot more lucrative than working just in Sydney and stuff like that It can be a lot more lucrative than working just in Sydney and stuff like that
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and they come up here with the intention of making a lot of money and they come up here with the intention of making a lot of money
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and often supporting a habit as well and often supporting a habit as well
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and, um, you know, it ties in perfectly with the, with the marijuana industry and, um, you know, it ties in perfectly with the, with the marijuana industry
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that exists here. that exists here.
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And, you know, all the people who do it are, you know, basically really bad greedy people And, you know, all the people who do it are, you know, basically really bad greedy people
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and into ripping people off and you see it going on all the time down there and into ripping people off and you see it going on all the time down there
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and, you know, it's fine. and, you know, it's fine.
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It doesn't bother me at all, because, you know, the only people It doesn't bother me at all, because, you know, the only people
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that they're injuring are people that are gullible enough to go that they're injuring are people that are gullible enough to go
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and pay a lot of money for marijuana instead of growing it themselves and, you know and pay a lot of money for marijuana instead of growing it themselves and, you know
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so, it's just one of, so, it's just one of,
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it's just another one of those industries, just like fast food it's just another one of those industries, just like fast food
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or, you know, or cheap cars or whatever. [Interviewer] So to you it's no more evil, or or, you know, or cheap cars or whatever. [Interviewer] So to you it's no more evil, or
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No it doesn't..yeah um No it doesn't..yeah um
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As far as I'm concerned, you know the drug situation in the streets of Nimbin As far as I'm concerned, you know the drug situation in the streets of Nimbin
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doesn't actually need defending, doesn't actually need defending,
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Because the people who are peddling the hard drugs. Because the people who are peddling the hard drugs.
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you know, are, just sort of, doing their own evil thing you know, are, just sort of, doing their own evil thing
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and, you know, anyone who chooses to participate, you know, enters at their own risk. and, you know, anyone who chooses to participate, you know, enters at their own risk.
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And the people who are kind of, falling for it and buying dope to support And the people who are kind of, falling for it and buying dope to support
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that whole sort of system, that whole sort of system,
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you know, are just kind of, you know, following their own indulgent pursuits you know, are just kind of, you know, following their own indulgent pursuits
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and that's fine if they want to pay money for it and that's fine if they want to pay money for it
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and you know that's their problem. and you know that's their problem.
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And I suppose the unfortunate thing about it, is kind of gullible people who come to And I suppose the unfortunate thing about it, is kind of gullible people who come to
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Nimbim and they don't know what they're looking for, and they find grass Nimbim and they don't know what they're looking for, and they find grass
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and they get smashed and sit in the main street, you know, looking dazed and they get smashed and sit in the main street, you know, looking dazed
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and confused, and you just have to realise and confused, and you just have to realise
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that those people have fallen by the wayside. that those people have fallen by the wayside.
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And it's their choice to be stationary and indolent And it's their choice to be stationary and indolent
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and, you know, to not participate in their society and, you know, to not participate in their society
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or not to take advantage of what they can do. or not to take advantage of what they can do.
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And, you know, people choose to do that in lots of ways And, you know, people choose to do that in lots of ways
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and you know sitting around in Nimbin getting smashed is just as repetitive as and you know sitting around in Nimbin getting smashed is just as repetitive as
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working in a steel factory working in a steel factory
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or, you know, doing anything else which is kind of, mind-numbingly boring. or, you know, doing anything else which is kind of, mind-numbingly boring.
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What about...umm.. You talked about, the, a, uh, What about...umm.. You talked about, the, a, uh,
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a bunch of your friends, of your peers who are now moving back into Nimbin and returning to Nimbin a bunch of your friends, of your peers who are now moving back into Nimbin and returning to Nimbin
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Now that's a whole other phase to this story. Do you want to tell us about that? [Josh] Oh sure. Now that's a whole other phase to this story. Do you want to tell us about that? [Josh] Oh sure.
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Yeah, well, um, you know, among people who have, um, grown up the way Yeah, well, um, you know, among people who have, um, grown up the way
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that I have, they're living on communes and stuff like that that I have, they're living on communes and stuff like that
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but still actually getting an education and still realising but still actually getting an education and still realising
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that, you know, there's a whole world of things to do out there. Um, a lot of them like me, that, you know, there's a whole world of things to do out there. Um, a lot of them like me,
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you know, have sort of, been down in Sydney and are you know, have sort of, been down in Sydney and are
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going back there and stuff like that. going back there and stuff like that.
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But then there's another group of people, um, who have sort of stayed out there But then there's another group of people, um, who have sort of stayed out there
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and actually made a success out of living in the way and actually made a success out of living in the way
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that their parents have established. And, um that their parents have established. And, um
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I think that's a really really positive thing because, you know, you can actually I think that's a really really positive thing because, you know, you can actually
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create a really good life for yourself out there if you choose to do that create a really good life for yourself out there if you choose to do that
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and if you feel comfortable staying in that area, and so for example, um.. and if you feel comfortable staying in that area, and so for example, um..
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It's funny. It's mainly people who um. You want me to start that again now It's funny. It's mainly people who um. You want me to start that again now
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[Interviewer] No, no. [Josh] Ok, um. [Interviewer] No, no. [Josh] Ok, um.
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And so among that group of people who've grown up the way I have And so among that group of people who've grown up the way I have
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and have chosen to stay out there and to, and to, you know keep living in that area and have chosen to stay out there and to, and to, you know keep living in that area
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a lot of them have, kind of, become involved in alternative employment a lot of them have, kind of, become involved in alternative employment
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and self-employment. and self-employment.
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And, um, a few people come to mind like a musician I know who um, you know, could be just as And, um, a few people come to mind like a musician I know who um, you know, could be just as
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successful playing in bands in Sydney or up here successful playing in bands in Sydney or up here
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and chooses to keep living on the commune and chooses to keep living on the commune
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that his dad, you know, was part of setting up that his dad, you know, was part of setting up
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and is now, kind of, you know, recording music out there and playing gigs in town and is now, kind of, you know, recording music out there and playing gigs in town
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and doing all, all that kind of thing, and that really works for him and doing all, all that kind of thing, and that really works for him
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and I think that's fantastic. And I also know a girl my age who. and I think that's fantastic. And I also know a girl my age who.
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Sort of designs clothes and makes her own clothes and sells markets around here Sort of designs clothes and makes her own clothes and sells markets around here
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and stuff like that, and, um, she's just had a child up at the commune and stuff like that, and, um, she's just had a child up at the commune
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that I use to live on, Paradise Valley that I use to live on, Paradise Valley
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and, you know, has a really nice kind of existence up there with her boyfriend in, an you know and, you know, has a really nice kind of existence up there with her boyfriend in, an you know
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an old house. And I used to know the people that lived in that house before an old house. And I used to know the people that lived in that house before
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and now she's living there with a bunch of people, you know, who I knew and now she's living there with a bunch of people, you know, who I knew
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when we were all young together. And you know I think it's fantastic when we were all young together. And you know I think it's fantastic
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that they've chosen to stay around that they've chosen to stay around
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and make the best of what their parents have established there. And, um, and make the best of what their parents have established there. And, um,
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I suppose, you know, it would be very hard to actually, to actually say the difference I suppose, you know, it would be very hard to actually, to actually say the difference
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between those people, and the people who have, you know, kind of between those people, and the people who have, you know, kind of
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how do you say - where that whole thing has collapsed. how do you say - where that whole thing has collapsed.
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It's a bit hard to explain. [Interviewer] Is there a sense that, that this is um, the next generation or the next chapter in the It's a bit hard to explain. [Interviewer] Is there a sense that, that this is um, the next generation or the next chapter in the
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[Interviewer] for you? [Josh] No. I wouldn't say that people my age, choosing to stay in this area [Interviewer] for you? [Josh] No. I wouldn't say that people my age, choosing to stay in this area
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and make a go of it would be the actual next chapter. and make a go of it would be the actual next chapter.
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because a lot more of the people who, who stay around end up finding themselves quite because a lot more of the people who, who stay around end up finding themselves quite
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trapped and quite kind of, you know, unproductive in that situation trapped and quite kind of, you know, unproductive in that situation
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and I suppose there are only a few of them who've really, kind of, you know, settled and I suppose there are only a few of them who've really, kind of, you know, settled
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in and, and wanted to stay there. Um, I'd say that the next kind of in and, and wanted to stay there. Um, I'd say that the next kind of
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Stage in the progress of the whole thing will be a new type of people coming to Stage in the progress of the whole thing will be a new type of people coming to
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that area that area
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and, they'll be alternative settlers in, in the true sense of the word just like my and, they'll be alternative settlers in, in the true sense of the word just like my
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parents generation were, but they'll be choosing parents generation were, but they'll be choosing
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that those alternatives for different kind of reasons, and they'll be realising that those alternatives for different kind of reasons, and they'll be realising
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that, um, they can still participate in um, mainstream society, and still have jobs that, um, they can still participate in um, mainstream society, and still have jobs
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and still do all of that type of thing. and still do all of that type of thing.
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but they don't actually have to live in the middle of the city in order to do it but they don't actually have to live in the middle of the city in order to do it
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and that they can also integrate and that they can also integrate
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that into having a more kind of down to earth lifestyle and you know you see that into having a more kind of down to earth lifestyle and you know you see
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that kind of thing happening this area quite a lot, where there are people who have that kind of thing happening this area quite a lot, where there are people who have
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been educated, been educated,
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And gone to university and become sort of either doctors And gone to university and become sort of either doctors
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or, you know, any kind of professions like that, and then chosen to go and practice or, you know, any kind of professions like that, and then chosen to go and practice
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or do their thing, you know, in an area where they can also live on the land or do their thing, you know, in an area where they can also live on the land
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and have a really sort of comfortable life like that. and have a really sort of comfortable life like that.
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And I suppose, you know, you could be kind of critical of And I suppose, you know, you could be kind of critical of
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that because, you know, a lot of people would say "Oh those people belong in the city that because, you know, a lot of people would say "Oh those people belong in the city
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and that's where they should stay", but I don't necessarily agree with and that's where they should stay", but I don't necessarily agree with
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that. I think if you're a writer or, you know, a doctor or, you know, a schoolteacher that. I think if you're a writer or, you know, a doctor or, you know, a schoolteacher
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or any of those kind of professions or any of those kind of professions
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and you wanted to live on the land, then Nimbin is the perfect place to go and you wanted to live on the land, then Nimbin is the perfect place to go
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and do it, you know, and you can, and do it, you know, and you can,
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you know, have a small block of land like the, you know permaculture plots you know, have a small block of land like the, you know permaculture plots
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that are coming up now and stuff like that. You could have a small plot of land that are coming up now and stuff like that. You could have a small plot of land
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and just get on with it, and, and, you know. and just get on with it, and, and, you know.
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And live your life the way you want to in terms of that. And live your life the way you want to in terms of that.
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And because there's so much And because there's so much
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you know, communication, sort of, technology becoming available for you to stay you know, communication, sort of, technology becoming available for you to stay
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integrated with the rest of society, you know, I think we'll see a lot more of that. integrated with the rest of society, you know, I think we'll see a lot more of that.
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So what hopes do you have for the future in Nimbin? [Josh] For the area or for me? So what hopes do you have for the future in Nimbin? [Josh] For the area or for me?
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Well I hope that um, the process that Well I hope that um, the process that
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that is happening now continues to happen, which is like, um, people realising what are that is happening now continues to happen, which is like, um, people realising what are
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the good parts and what are the bad parts out of the alternative the good parts and what are the bad parts out of the alternative
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that they've created that they've created
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and actually, you know, starting to, to look at it all, in, in the positive sense of and actually, you know, starting to, to look at it all, in, in the positive sense of
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creating and creating and
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maintaining something that's really gonna work. Not just something maintaining something that's really gonna work. Not just something
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that will help them to survive running away from everything else, you know, because a that will help them to survive running away from everything else, you know, because a
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lot of people really did just run there for shelter from a society lot of people really did just run there for shelter from a society
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that was running off the rails, you know. that was running off the rails, you know.
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And now that they've done that, it's, it's time to start maintaining the good parts of it And now that they've done that, it's, it's time to start maintaining the good parts of it
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and, you know, just like in the garden making the good parts of it grow and, you know, just like in the garden making the good parts of it grow
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and getting rid of the stuff that, that you don't need there. [Interviewer] And what about you? and getting rid of the stuff that, that you don't need there. [Interviewer] And what about you?
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[Interviewer] Would you ever think of a time when you might go back to Nimbin to live? [Josh] Well, um, we lived [Interviewer] Would you ever think of a time when you might go back to Nimbin to live? [Josh] Well, um, we lived
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you know, in the main part of town for about 10 years and so I've had plenty of you know, in the main part of town for about 10 years and so I've had plenty of
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that now, but, you know, if I, you know, ever wanted to settle down that now, but, you know, if I, you know, ever wanted to settle down
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and kind of live in a, in a family situation and kind of live in a, in a family situation
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or in a community situation I would definitely choose this area. or in a community situation I would definitely choose this area.
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And whether it was kind of, in the actual Nimbin Valley And whether it was kind of, in the actual Nimbin Valley
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or in the surrounding communes or in the surrounding communes
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or, you know, just in the general area, like, you know, out Bangalow way or wherever. or, you know, just in the general area, like, you know, out Bangalow way or wherever.
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Um, you know, I know Um, you know, I know
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that I'll always be, have ties with this area because, you know, the land feels so that I'll always be, have ties with this area because, you know, the land feels so
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good to me here, and um, but I definitely want to go and, you know, good to me here, and um, but I definitely want to go and, you know,
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Shake it up a little bit in the city first and travel around the world Shake it up a little bit in the city first and travel around the world
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and do all those kind of things, you know. And and meet the kind of people and do all those kind of things, you know. And and meet the kind of people
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that would have never even conceived of anything like Nimbin because there's a that would have never even conceived of anything like Nimbin because there's a
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whole world of fascinating people out there who are doing totally different things whole world of fascinating people out there who are doing totally different things
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to that you know. And it's not as though there's just sort of Sydney to that you know. And it's not as though there's just sort of Sydney
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and Melbourne, and then the alternative to and Melbourne, and then the alternative to
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that is, you know, living up on a community, there's sort of, whole other strata's of that is, you know, living up on a community, there's sort of, whole other strata's of
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society that, that, you know, that I want to get into as well. [Interviewer] Ok, we'll go and get sort of... society that, that, you know, that I want to get into as well. [Interviewer] Ok, we'll go and get sort of...
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[Josh] That's fine. [Interviewer] Um. Can you think of funny Nimbin stories? [Josh] That's fine. [Interviewer] Um. Can you think of funny Nimbin stories?
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Or something that sort of comes to mind that.. [Josh] Oh yeah, um Or something that sort of comes to mind that.. [Josh] Oh yeah, um
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[Interviewer] paints a picture of.. [Josh] I can tell a story that makes [Interviewer] paints a picture of.. [Josh] I can tell a story that makes
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All of the positive things I just said about those communities look really bad. [Interviewer] Go on. [Josh] Ok. All of the positive things I just said about those communities look really bad. [Interviewer] Go on. [Josh] Ok.
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Well um, most of the people...When I was really young, about 4 Well um, most of the people...When I was really young, about 4
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or 5 years old, all the people living out on Tuntable, were sort of, you know, pretty or 5 years old, all the people living out on Tuntable, were sort of, you know, pretty
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full on kind of hippies full on kind of hippies
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and, um, you know, were all pretty much in the same situation of, you know, building their and, um, you know, were all pretty much in the same situation of, you know, building their
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own houses, and growing a lot of grass and selling it and stuff like that. You know, one year own houses, and growing a lot of grass and selling it and stuff like that. You know, one year
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I'm sure you'll hear a few stories about this, there was a big bust out at Tuntable I'm sure you'll hear a few stories about this, there was a big bust out at Tuntable
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and a lot of people um, got bailed up for it, and there was a protest about the way and a lot of people um, got bailed up for it, and there was a protest about the way
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that it was all done. But these people ended up doing some time anyway. that it was all done. But these people ended up doing some time anyway.
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And I remember we were living in the garden house And I remember we were living in the garden house
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and, um, that's right down in the bottom of the valley where the road comes up and, um, that's right down in the bottom of the valley where the road comes up
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and ends, and, that's where everyone, sort of goes, into Tuntable from there. and ends, and, that's where everyone, sort of goes, into Tuntable from there.
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So anyway, one night, um, we heard this kind of, sound, from way up on the hill So anyway, one night, um, we heard this kind of, sound, from way up on the hill
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and it was a truckload of all of these people who had been in prison for a couple and it was a truckload of all of these people who had been in prison for a couple
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of weeks, or whatever, and they were coming back onto the commune of weeks, or whatever, and they were coming back onto the commune
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and, um, they were really, really drunk and they weren't the kind of people and, um, they were really, really drunk and they weren't the kind of people
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that drank a lot, because as I said they were used to just growing that drank a lot, because as I said they were used to just growing
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and smoking grass instead. and smoking grass instead.
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And, they were all just absolutely out of their heads And, they were all just absolutely out of their heads
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and they came tearing back through the valley and parked the truck and they came tearing back through the valley and parked the truck
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and came stumbling through the whole area screaming and came stumbling through the whole area screaming
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and banging on doors making a whole lot of noise and banging on doors making a whole lot of noise
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and the whole place was just, you know, terrified of what they were doing. and the whole place was just, you know, terrified of what they were doing.
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And I don't know how it ended up because last thing I remember was hiding under my And I don't know how it ended up because last thing I remember was hiding under my
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pillow at the noise of these drunken hippies stumbling through their commune, pillow at the noise of these drunken hippies stumbling through their commune,
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you know, in victory that they'd been let out, and I got up the next morning you know, in victory that they'd been let out, and I got up the next morning
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and wandered out into the yard and wandered out into the yard
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and the whole yard was kind of, littered with these white patches and the whole yard was kind of, littered with these white patches
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that they'd left, sort of, stumbling through, hurling all over our lawn. that they'd left, sort of, stumbling through, hurling all over our lawn.
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And, I mean, I was just appalled, because, I was used to them being such kind of peaceful And, I mean, I was just appalled, because, I was used to them being such kind of peaceful
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people, but to see them on the rampage like people, but to see them on the rampage like
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that, I just kind of thought, 'Oh, you know, um, all of these hippies must have a bit of, you know that, I just kind of thought, 'Oh, you know, um, all of these hippies must have a bit of, you know
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straight in them. straight in them.
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As well as straights having a bit of hippie in them as well.' [Interviewer] What about, um, is there, was As well as straights having a bit of hippie in them as well.' [Interviewer] What about, um, is there, was
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did you know the did you know the
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wildest names of the kids you went to school with in Nimbin? [Josh] Ah, no. They didn't have wild names at all, actually. [Interviewer] in your generation? wildest names of the kids you went to school with in Nimbin? [Josh] Ah, no. They didn't have wild names at all, actually. [Interviewer] in your generation?
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[Josh] No. [Interviewer] No? [Josh] No. No they didn't. All the hippy kids I knew had, you know, names just like ours, [Josh] No. [Interviewer] No? [Josh] No. No they didn't. All the hippy kids I knew had, you know, names just like ours,
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and, um.. and, um..
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I dunno. I suppose there were some pretty wild adventures at school I dunno. I suppose there were some pretty wild adventures at school
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but it's not really the kind of things I can describe. [laughs]. but it's not really the kind of things I can describe. [laughs].
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I think in primary school. I think in primary school.
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all of the hippie kids kind of picked up, on, on um, the straight routine quite fast all of the hippie kids kind of picked up, on, on um, the straight routine quite fast
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because, you know, we had the school socials, and we had kind of, you know, because, you know, we had the school socials, and we had kind of, you know,
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the youth group and stuff like that, and hippie kids and straight kids the youth group and stuff like that, and hippie kids and straight kids
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all treated that is actually the same way. all treated that is actually the same way.
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And we, you know, we all knew, how much fun it was to get dressed up And we, you know, we all knew, how much fun it was to get dressed up
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and get into music and, you know, do all that type of thing, and get into music and, you know, do all that type of thing,
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and so there was, you know, there was no big deal there at all. But if you give me a minute and so there was, you know, there was no big deal there at all. But if you give me a minute
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I'll be able to think of a funny story for you. Um. I also remember. I'll be able to think of a funny story for you. Um. I also remember.
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a lot of, kind of, um, parties and things like that, that my parents took me to a lot of, kind of, um, parties and things like that, that my parents took me to
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when I was young, and, um, especially around the time of the 1983 when I was young, and, um, especially around the time of the 1983
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festival, which was the 10 years after festival. festival, which was the 10 years after festival.
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I remember, um, seeing, kind of, the insane type of parties I remember, um, seeing, kind of, the insane type of parties
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that they used to set up in the halls out there. Like there was the Blue Knob Hall that they used to set up in the halls out there. Like there was the Blue Knob Hall
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which was famous for big, sort of, end of year parties and things like that which was famous for big, sort of, end of year parties and things like that
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and, um, they had a lot of mask parties, and a lot of that type of thing and, um, they had a lot of mask parties, and a lot of that type of thing
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and at each one of these parties there were certain things and at each one of these parties there were certain things
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that were guaranteed. Like, you'd always have, a whole load of people with really long that were guaranteed. Like, you'd always have, a whole load of people with really long
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dreadlocks, kind of standing around playing percussion in, in the main hall, dreadlocks, kind of standing around playing percussion in, in the main hall,
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and a lot of people jumping around to that, and a lot of kids running around. and a lot of people jumping around to that, and a lot of kids running around.
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And then behind And then behind
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that there was always some kind of kitchen, where someone would have set up a whole load that there was always some kind of kitchen, where someone would have set up a whole load
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of really bizarre food. I mean foods are pretty loose term, but [laughs] anyway. of really bizarre food. I mean foods are pretty loose term, but [laughs] anyway.
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And there'd be really stoned people eating, just eating this stuff, insanely. And there'd be really stoned people eating, just eating this stuff, insanely.
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And, um, behind that if you, And, um, behind that if you,
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when you go out the back door of these halls there's generally just like a big patch of when you go out the back door of these halls there's generally just like a big patch of
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grass out there, and there would always be a bonfire grass out there, and there would always be a bonfire
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and these people, with really kind of natty dreadlocks sitting really in close to and these people, with really kind of natty dreadlocks sitting really in close to
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the fire, and just sort of staring into the fire and tripping off their heads. the fire, and just sort of staring into the fire and tripping off their heads.
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And it would just go on and on and on. And people just kind of circulate And it would just go on and on and on. And people just kind of circulate
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and you go out and sit by the fire for a while and get warm and then you go in and you go out and sit by the fire for a while and get warm and then you go in
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and eat some of this food, and you go in and listen to the music for a while and eat some of this food, and you go in and listen to the music for a while
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and you just keep going, you know, all night. and you just keep going, you know, all night.
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And they used to make these amazing kind of brews, of, um, with magic mushrooms, like a chai And they used to make these amazing kind of brews, of, um, with magic mushrooms, like a chai
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tea, with magic mushrooms in it. tea, with magic mushrooms in it.
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And some people would just be, you know, drinking the stuff by, by the litre, and, um. And some people would just be, you know, drinking the stuff by, by the litre, and, um.
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I mean, I saw some pretty incredible things I suppose I mean, I saw some pretty incredible things I suppose
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and they don't really seem and they don't really seem
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that bizarre to me, because I've seen those people doing that for years that bizarre to me, because I've seen those people doing that for years
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and, it seems like a natural way to celebrate to me, but and, it seems like a natural way to celebrate to me, but
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if you went there for the first time you really be amazed at the kind of stuff they use to do. if you went there for the first time you really be amazed at the kind of stuff they use to do.
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I remember at the 1983 festival, seeing a similar kind of thing. I remember at the 1983 festival, seeing a similar kind of thing.
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I mean, there were all of the normal type of pursuits, like, um, you know, um. I mean, there were all of the normal type of pursuits, like, um, you know, um.
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Is this rain gonna ruin you? Um, there were all the sort of, normal festival things to Is this rain gonna ruin you? Um, there were all the sort of, normal festival things to
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do, um, like, you know, the music and the um, sweat lodge and all that type of thing do, um, like, you know, the music and the um, sweat lodge and all that type of thing
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and running around in the fields. and running around in the fields.
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And then I remember seeing a group of trippers at that festival who were all sitting And then I remember seeing a group of trippers at that festival who were all sitting
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around in this massive, kind of circle, holding hands and staring up at the sky around in this massive, kind of circle, holding hands and staring up at the sky
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and sort of chanting these really, these really weird chants and sort of chanting these really, these really weird chants
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and I remember watching it and I remember watching it
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and actually trying to, sort out what they were doing, and I eventually just gave up and actually trying to, sort out what they were doing, and I eventually just gave up
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and walked away because I couldn't, I couldn't understand. and walked away because I couldn't, I couldn't understand.
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You know, what they're actually going for at all. You know, what they're actually going for at all.
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I suppose the funniest things that I used to see, where the kind of things I suppose the funniest things that I used to see, where the kind of things
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that people would get up to that people would get up to
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when they were stoned in the actual streets. As a child, I didn't have any problem when they were stoned in the actual streets. As a child, I didn't have any problem
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with kind of, watching quite closely the types of things that they were doing with kind of, watching quite closely the types of things that they were doing
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and not actually being offended by it but just sort of, checking them out. and not actually being offended by it but just sort of, checking them out.
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And I remember, And I remember,
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you know, there were the kind of really derelict hippies who, who, you know, don't change their you know, there were the kind of really derelict hippies who, who, you know, don't change their
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clothes for weeks, and stuff like that, and they would get really, really drunk clothes for weeks, and stuff like that, and they would get really, really drunk
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or smashed in the street and just kind of sit there either or smashed in the street and just kind of sit there either
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begging or, um, or trying to irritate people as they walked past. begging or, um, or trying to irritate people as they walked past.
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And I, I used to be able to watch it for hours and just sort of, you know try And I, I used to be able to watch it for hours and just sort of, you know try
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and work out where they were coming from. and work out where they were coming from.
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and I remember this one guy who's a famous character. and I remember this one guy who's a famous character.