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I'm the Louise Darmody interviewing Andi Chairiani Dwipasatya. I'm the Louise Darmody interviewing Andi Chairiani Dwipasatya.

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The interview is for the New South Wales state library's Muslims in The interview is for the New South Wales state library's Muslims in

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contemporary Australian society oral history project the interview is being contemporary Australian society oral history project the interview is being

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recorded at studios 301, 18 Mitchell road Alexandria New South Wales recorded at studios 301, 18 Mitchell road Alexandria New South Wales

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Australia on the 31st of October 2014. Andi, where Australia on the 31st of October 2014. Andi, where

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and when we were born? [Andi] I was born in Bogor in West Java and when we were born? [Andi] I was born in Bogor in West Java

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close to Jakarta in 1955. [Louise] What do you know about your close to Jakarta in 1955. [Louise] What do you know about your

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ancestors in Indonesia? Ah, yah, I knew ancestors in Indonesia? Ah, yah, I knew

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a bit from my mother's side is that they are from royal family but a bit from my mother's side is that they are from royal family but

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long long distance but, but still they have the privilege to go to long long distance but, but still they have the privilege to go to

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a Dutch School speak Dutch and, yah, have education a Dutch School speak Dutch and, yah, have education

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So when the Dutch took over Indonesia are over 300 years ago they So when the Dutch took over Indonesia are over 300 years ago they

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still allowed people who were related to royalty to go to school and to go to still allowed people who were related to royalty to go to school and to go to

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teachers college and whatever? [Andi] A, yah Bef- it started maybe in 18 teachers college and whatever? [Andi] A, yah Bef- it started maybe in 18

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more than 1850 when they allowed. To have education before more than 1850 when they allowed. To have education before

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they just to teach taught at home and speak. they just to teach taught at home and speak.

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But after around 1850 something and they But after around 1850 something and they

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allowed to, because the concious of oh I have to have education, I mean allowed to, because the concious of oh I have to have education, I mean

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official or formal education and they got to, go to that school official or formal education and they got to, go to that school

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because it that's who has school that time. [Louise] So it was only for people who were because it that's who has school that time. [Louise] So it was only for people who were

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related to the related to the

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[Andi] Yeah [Louise] royal family to the Sultan [Andi] Yes [Louise] So do you know which sultan your family were [Andi] Yeah [Louise] royal family to the Sultan [Andi] Yes [Louise] So do you know which sultan your family were

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related to, your mothers's family? [Andi] My f- my mother's mo- family comes from West Java related to, your mothers's family? [Andi] My f- my mother's mo- family comes from West Java

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Jawa Barat we call it Jawa Barat but because. Jawa Barat we call it Jawa Barat but because.

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I mean not directly from from the Sultan from the king. I mean not directly from from the Sultan from the king.

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They sended my and I mean my mother's gra- I mean great grandfather to They sended my and I mean my mother's gra- I mean great grandfather to

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Bogor because of the. The capital is Bandung and and they send my Bogor because of the. The capital is Bandung and and they send my

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great grandfather to Bogor to have head of the Bogo region great grandfather to Bogor to have head of the Bogo region

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small small town. [Louise] And your mother and because of that because you ancestors small small town. [Louise] And your mother and because of that because you ancestors

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were related to the Sultan and because they were supposedly were related to the Sultan and because they were supposedly

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royalty themselves they had royalty themselves they had

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a special name, what was that name [Andi] It's Raden, we call it Raden, means yeah royal a special name, what was that name [Andi] It's Raden, we call it Raden, means yeah royal

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or not in service something like knight in England or or [Louise] Yeah Knight or Lady [Andi] Lady Yeah or not in service something like knight in England or or [Louise] Yeah Knight or Lady [Andi] Lady Yeah

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like that but the woman and like that but the woman and

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the man is the same Raden [Louise] And it's included as part of you name [Andi] Yeah [Louise] So we the man is the same Raden [Louise] And it's included as part of you name [Andi] Yeah [Louise] So we

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was your mother Raden? [Andi] Raden, my mother's Raden, my uncle, my was your mother Raden? [Andi] Raden, my mother's Raden, my uncle, my

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mother's brother is raden too, all are Raden. [Louise] And did you have it in mother's brother is raden too, all are Raden. [Louise] And did you have it in

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your name as well? [Andi] No not in my name. Because we are, I was born after. your name as well? [Andi] No not in my name. Because we are, I was born after.

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After [Laughs] Independence Day and not the power of the kind After [Laughs] Independence Day and not the power of the kind

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of this not anymore [Louise] Yeah [Andi] and my mother married with outside of this not anymore [Louise] Yeah [Andi] and my mother married with outside

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of the. Region that's why we don't need. [Louise] And what religion of the. Region that's why we don't need. [Louise] And what religion

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were they, Your Your ancestors ? [Andi] Muslim [Louise] Muslim [Andi] but. were they, Your Your ancestors ? [Andi] Muslim [Louise] Muslim [Andi] but.

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Before is um, Hindu or something like that the sultans bef- [Louise] And how far Before is um, Hindu or something like that the sultans bef- [Louise] And how far

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back did um your family's lineage go to Muslims, when when did they back did um your family's lineage go to Muslims, when when did they

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change from Hindu to Muslim? [Andi] It's ahh, around 13 something change from Hindu to Muslim? [Andi] It's ahh, around 13 something

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when muslim be come a Part of. The way I mean when muslim be come a Part of. The way I mean

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they came from. Gudjarat or from. Iraq. they came from. Gudjarat or from. Iraq.

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[Louise]Yeah [Andi] Arabia [Louise]Yeah [Andi] Arabia

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They they have, ah, in not like. They they have, ah, in not like.

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?inaudible? ah, trade trading trading and th- become, some of ?inaudible? ah, trade trading trading and th- become, some of

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I mean, not roya,l I mean the palace because every region has their own king I mean, not roya,l I mean the palace because every region has their own king

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and their own and they become mostly they teach mostly just like that. [Louise] So about and their own and they become mostly they teach mostly just like that. [Louise] So about

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the 13 hundreds? [Andi] Yes the 13 hundred something. [Louise] So the 13 hundreds? [Andi] Yes the 13 hundred something. [Louise] So

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a long time ago? [Andi] Long time ago. [Louise] So what do you know about your grandparents on your a long time ago? [Andi] Long time ago. [Louise] So what do you know about your grandparents on your

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mother's side? [Andi] I I never met them because they passed away mother's side? [Andi] I I never met them because they passed away

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before I I was born and before I I was born and

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Like um that time I just remem- I met my Like um that time I just remem- I met my

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grandmother she always just sit here and order if she wanted, grandmother she always just sit here and order if she wanted,

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a drink or she want ?Inaudible? [Louise] Order you around. [Andi] Not me, order the maid a drink or she want ?Inaudible? [Louise] Order you around. [Andi] Not me, order the maid

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to come to serve her. Yes I remember that one because I was. to come to serve her. Yes I remember that one because I was.

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And ah but you didn't ever meet your grandfather on your mother's side? Do you know what And ah but you didn't ever meet your grandfather on your mother's side? Do you know what

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work he did? [Andi] He was a head of work he did? [Andi] He was a head of

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a the small district I mean district we call it ?Chamat? at that time. a the small district I mean district we call it ?Chamat? at that time.

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And he ha- has to move from h- one city to another city because he And he ha- has to move from h- one city to another city because he

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was ?head? of that city.[Louise] So it was quite an important position? [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] Powerful position. was ?head? of that city.[Louise] So it was quite an important position? [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] Powerful position.

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And did your grandmother work do you know? [Andi] No [Louise] And did they have an arranged marriage or And did your grandmother work do you know? [Andi] No [Louise] And did they have an arranged marriage or

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was was

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it a love marriage? [Andi] I don't know [Louise] Don't know? [Andi] But I think yeah because my mother my grandmother married it a love marriage? [Andi] I don't know [Louise] Don't know? [Andi] But I think yeah because my mother my grandmother married

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when she was 14. [Louise] So she was young? [Andi] Yeah she's quite young. [Louise] And could she read when she was 14. [Louise] So she was young? [Andi] Yeah she's quite young. [Louise] And could she read

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And write? [Andi] Um yeah, they self education I mean And write? [Andi] Um yeah, they self education I mean

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Got it? because my my grandmother mother. Got it? because my my grandmother mother.

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That time is nobody no woman at school. ahhh No no girls at school That time is nobody no woman at school. ahhh No no girls at school

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except some even though they have privilege to because they have royal family except some even though they have privilege to because they have royal family

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Raden I mean. They don't go to school and my grandmother mother taught Raden I mean. They don't go to school and my grandmother mother taught

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herself how to read how to write even in Arabic herself how to read how to write even in Arabic

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Usually they can read and write in Arabic but not in. I mean Roman Usually they can read and write in Arabic but not in. I mean Roman

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Roman like that or Dutch speaker. And my grandmother mother Roman like that or Dutch speaker. And my grandmother mother

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taught herself like that and ahh Yeah gran- my grandmother can taught herself like that and ahh Yeah gran- my grandmother can

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read and speak Dutch. [Louise] And your mother, how many brothers and sisters did she have read and speak Dutch. [Louise] And your mother, how many brothers and sisters did she have

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She had 4 brothers and 3 sisters but in between because she had She had 4 brothers and 3 sisters but in between because she had

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14 before and every one after one bro- one children and 14 before and every one after one bro- one children and

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the 2nd one is died ?deselected? one become, what's that? [Louise] So how the 2nd one is died ?deselected? one become, what's that? [Louise] So how

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many did she have in the end? many did she have in the end?

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[Andi] 7 left {Louise] 7 out of 14. And she, what do you know about her growing up did she live in [Andi] 7 left {Louise] 7 out of 14. And she, what do you know about her growing up did she live in

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a big house with a big house with

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a lot of - [Andi] Yes she live in big house andbecause my grandfather is head a lot of - [Andi] Yes she live in big house andbecause my grandfather is head

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of the city I mean and he moved everywhere but and of the city I mean and he moved everywhere but and

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He allowed my mother to go to school went to school, and because of here her title He allowed my mother to go to school went to school, and because of here her title

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Raden like that and Dutch allow her to go to that school to become Raden like that and Dutch allow her to go to that school to become

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a teacher because my fa- grandfather said oh If the girl cannot go a teacher because my fa- grandfather said oh If the girl cannot go

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to school what. Why don't you teach them. To go to school to school what. Why don't you teach them. To go to school

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I mean he make I mean he make

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a school for my mother at the back yard because they have to big, big, big, backyard. And a school for my mother at the back yard because they have to big, big, big, backyard. And

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]Louise] Was their home like a palace? [Andi] Ah no no [Both] just a big house [Andi] with servants ]Louise] Was their home like a palace? [Andi] Ah no no [Both] just a big house [Andi] with servants

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a phone or something like that [Louise] So he started a phone or something like that [Louise] So he started

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a school that your mother taught at? [Andi] yeah [Louise] And that school's still going? [Andi] Still going a school that your mother taught at? [Andi] yeah [Louise] And that school's still going? [Andi] Still going

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there now [Louise] How many Stud- but it's a small school because now it's not there now [Louise] How many Stud- but it's a small school because now it's not

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a government school but it's pri- like a government school but it's pri- like

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private school subsidized by government ?health help? and still going [Louise] How many students private school subsidized by government ?health help? and still going [Louise] How many students

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Around maybe only 100 something like that [Louise] and your sister teaches at that school [Andi] Yeah Around maybe only 100 something like that [Louise] and your sister teaches at that school [Andi] Yeah

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not teacher run it because my sister is not teacher run it because my sister is

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a high high school teacher and she just become a high high school teacher and she just become

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a member and my cousin they all teach there family teacher [Louise] Great a member and my cousin they all teach there family teacher [Louise] Great

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And what about your father's side what, what do you know about his And what about your father's side what, what do you know about his

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grandparents and his parents? [Andi] My father side is um ah I'm not grandparents and his parents? [Andi] My father side is um ah I'm not

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sure but, his father is sure but, his father is

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come from the not royal family but ahhh he he he has his name Raden too come from the not royal family but ahhh he he he has his name Raden too

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but he has not, ah, he worked in the palace in Cirebon Palace but he has not, ah, he worked in the palace in Cirebon Palace

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until now the palace still there and Sultan still there too [Louise] And until now the palace still there and Sultan still there too [Louise] And

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whereabouts is that? [Andi] Cirebon. Cirebon is West Java. whereabouts is that? [Andi] Cirebon. Cirebon is West Java.

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They ha- they have two palace there Cirebon sma- ah Cirebon Anung and Cirebon They ha- they have two palace there Cirebon sma- ah Cirebon Anung and Cirebon

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old the old Cirebon and, ah and they have still, have ah I mean old the old Cirebon and, ah and they have still, have ah I mean

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made or something like that and maybe, this my thing that my made or something like that and maybe, this my thing that my

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my grandfather worked there and, and he got his name Raden my grandfather worked there and, and he got his name Raden

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[Louise] Because [Andi] Yeah [Louise] he was very respected. [Andi] And yeah and yeah but and my [Louise] Because [Andi] Yeah [Louise] he was very respected. [Andi] And yeah and yeah but and my

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grandfather went around Indonesia too that's what he got his. grandfather went around Indonesia too that's what he got his.

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From China he has mother from China and and From China he has mother from China and and

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[Louise] He His mother was from China? [Andi] Yeah yeah. [Louise] And the Chinese came over to trade? [Andi] yeah [Louise] Would that be the reason [Louise] He His mother was from China? [Andi] Yeah yeah. [Louise] And the Chinese came over to trade? [Andi] yeah [Louise] Would that be the reason

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[Louise]reason she came over? [Andi] Yep. [Louise] And so your father what work did your father do? [Andi] My father. [Louise]reason she came over? [Andi] Yep. [Louise] And so your father what work did your father do? [Andi] My father.

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Administration of Administration of

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?a fessiation?. I mean. Who, the one who take care of the airport. ?a fessiation?. I mean. Who, the one who take care of the airport.

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that time it's, we called it that time it's, we called it

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?afeciation? something like that but I I'm not sure in English. [Louise] Administrator ?afeciation? something like that but I I'm not sure in English. [Louise] Administrator

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[Andi] administration yeah, administrator at the airport [Louise] He worked in several airports cause you move fromtown to [Andi] Yeah [Andi] administration yeah, administrator at the airport [Louise] He worked in several airports cause you move fromtown to [Andi] Yeah

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to town [Andi] town to town [Louise] and what areas did you live in? [Andi] We live in Kalimantan to town [Andi] town to town [Louise] and what areas did you live in? [Andi] We live in Kalimantan

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and ah Malaku in west, ah Central Java, in ?Sumatra? And in Sumbawa and ah Malaku in west, ah Central Java, in ?Sumatra? And in Sumbawa

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[inaudible] It's just like that. [Louise] And how many brothers and sisters did he have, your father? [inaudible] It's just like that. [Louise] And how many brothers and sisters did he have, your father?

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my father has 1 brother and 6 sister i think. [Louise] And were they my father has 1 brother and 6 sister i think. [Louise] And were they

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Muslim too? [Andi] Yes they are Muslim. [Louise] And do you know if your grandparents and your parents Muslim too? [Andi] Yes they are Muslim. [Louise] And do you know if your grandparents and your parents

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were very strict Muslims? [Andi] No no not not not my mother she were very strict Muslims? [Andi] No no not not not my mother she

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practice I mean pray [Louise] Five times a day [Andi] Five times a day but that practice I mean pray [Louise] Five times a day [Andi] Five times a day but that

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time my father No, didn't sh- He he just he learned how read Qu'ran, how read time my father No, didn't sh- He he just he learned how read Qu'ran, how read

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Arabic I mean in Qu'ran after he retired and he's not to strict. Arabic I mean in Qu'ran after he retired and he's not to strict.

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[Louise] And do you know if your mother's parents were very strict? [Andi] No not that strict, I mean that time I [Louise] And do you know if your mother's parents were very strict? [Andi] No not that strict, I mean that time I

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think. It's not that strict because we, Hinduism still influence our think. It's not that strict because we, Hinduism still influence our

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our way of life that's why it's ah, not too strict our way of life that's why it's ah, not too strict

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I mean I think they become realized or they become conscious about I mean I think they become realized or they become conscious about

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after, ahh, what's it Khomeini something in Iran. [Louise] Ayatollah Khomeini [Andi] Ayatollah after, ahh, what's it Khomeini something in Iran. [Louise] Ayatollah Khomeini [Andi] Ayatollah

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[Both] so they become [Louise] stricter after that [Andi] yeah strict and wearing this [Both] so they become [Louise] stricter after that [Andi] yeah strict and wearing this

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before nobody wear this [Louise] hmm So when the ayatollah took over Iran [Andi] Yeah [Louise] that really before nobody wear this [Louise] hmm So when the ayatollah took over Iran [Andi] Yeah [Louise] that really

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impacted on Indonesia. And how many, Brothers and Sisters impacted on Indonesia. And how many, Brothers and Sisters

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did you have? [Andi] I have ah, 4 brother si- 1 brother and3 sister and with me did you have? [Andi] I have ah, 4 brother si- 1 brother and3 sister and with me

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is 5. [Louise] And you were the eldest, are the eldest. And um, you were born is 5. [Louise] And you were the eldest, are the eldest. And um, you were born

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Your birthday, tell me your birthday, the 2nd of June [Andi] 2nd of June [Louise]1955 [Andi] 55 yeah. [Louise] What is your Your birthday, tell me your birthday, the 2nd of June [Andi] 2nd of June [Louise]1955 [Andi] 55 yeah. [Louise] What is your

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earliest memory or story that you have from earliest memory or story that you have from

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a very young child? [Andi] Ay aya Because we move every 3 a very young child? [Andi] Ay aya Because we move every 3

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years to town to town and to island to other island I just think that years to town to town and to island to other island I just think that

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yeah that time my father never practice [laughs] oh never practiced praying. My mother yeah that time my father never practice [laughs] oh never practiced praying. My mother

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always asking ' ha ha Come to pray' ' Ah just later on'. always asking ' ha ha Come to pray' ' Ah just later on'.

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[Laughs] Just later on he said. Come to pray. But my mother always [Laughs] Just later on he said. Come to pray. But my mother always

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taught us I mean go to learn how to read Qu'ran or how to read Arabic taught us I mean go to learn how to read Qu'ran or how to read Arabic

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I mean and but she allow us to go to the church too just to I mean and but she allow us to go to the church too just to

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know how because we live in Ambon. Ambon every wh- surround us is know how because we live in Ambon. Ambon every wh- surround us is

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Christian and some of the area Muslim, some part of Ambon is Muslim but Christian and some of the area Muslim, some part of Ambon is Muslim but

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yes because she said that ah s- ah, every religion is OK I mean there's yes because she said that ah s- ah, every religion is OK I mean there's

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no, we can learn each one. The good one, take the good one no, we can learn each one. The good one, take the good one

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leave the bad one she said that. And we, every week we went to the church leave the bad one she said that. And we, every week we went to the church

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every day we learn how to read Qur'an like that. [Louise] So you had every day we learn how to read Qur'an like that. [Louise] So you had

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a very multicultural [Andi] Yeah. religion [Louise] religious background. And so you went to a very multicultural [Andi] Yeah. religion [Louise] religious background. And so you went to

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a Christian church [Andi] yeah I went to ah Christian school when I was in high school a Christian church [Andi] yeah I went to ah Christian school when I was in high school

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Was that a Was that a

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Catholic school. [Andi] Yeah Catholic School. [Louise] At But at the same time your mother was Catholic school. [Andi] Yeah Catholic School. [Louise] At But at the same time your mother was

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encouraging you to pray 5 times [Andi]Yeah [Louise] a day, to fast, during Ramadan [Andi] To fast yes [Louise] What else? encouraging you to pray 5 times [Andi]Yeah [Louise] a day, to fast, during Ramadan [Andi] To fast yes [Louise] What else?

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anything else? [Andi] And I mean ah she always anything else? [Andi] And I mean ah she always

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Yeah encourage us to learn to re- read everything. My, my father reading Yeah encourage us to learn to re- read everything. My, my father reading

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a lot more than her but she, she has because she is a lot more than her but she, she has because she is

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a teacher of course [Laughs] she always encourage us to, I mean a teacher of course [Laughs] she always encourage us to, I mean

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everything from yeah from the book because I know mostly not from the everything from yeah from the book because I know mostly not from the

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school because the school is Christian and it from the book and from yeah from the school because the school is Christian and it from the book and from yeah from the

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school. We, extra extra curricular school um, Muslim school. school. We, extra extra curricular school um, Muslim school.

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[Louise] That you went to after school? [Andi] Yeah after school. [Louise] And how did your mother and father [Louise] That you went to after school? [Andi] Yeah after school. [Louise] And how did your mother and father

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meet? [Andi] I'm not sure [Laughs] but I heard when my mother went to meet? [Andi] I'm not sure [Laughs] but I heard when my mother went to

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That time is my mother. Always go to Jakarta, because she live in Bogor That time is my mother. Always go to Jakarta, because she live in Bogor

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and my father just come from ?Makasil? and he and my father just come from ?Makasil? and he

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has training for Administraion at that time he has training. has training for Administraion at that time he has training.

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In Thut Tangarang it's far away from Jakarta. But maybe when they In Thut Tangarang it's far away from Jakarta. But maybe when they

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play I mean, weekend on the weekend my mother went to Jakarta and my father play I mean, weekend on the weekend my mother went to Jakarta and my father

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come to Jakarta too and they meet. [Louise] So it was come to Jakarta too and they meet. [Louise] So it was

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a love marriage? [Andi] Yes, I think [Laughs] I think yeah. [Louise] And um with a love marriage? [Andi] Yes, I think [Laughs] I think yeah. [Louise] And um with

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your brothers and y- your one brother and your 3 sisters, What can you tell me about your brothers and y- your one brother and your 3 sisters, What can you tell me about

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them did you have them did you have

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a lot of fun with them when you're growing up?[Andi] Yes, eh but because I am the oldest a lot of fun with them when you're growing up?[Andi] Yes, eh but because I am the oldest

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I ho- I have to become. I have to be I ho- I have to become. I have to be

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a role model for them. I have to look after them [Laughs] because my mother busy with a role model for them. I have to look after them [Laughs] because my mother busy with

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Yeah teaching work. [Louise] Where did she teach? [Andi] Ah In secondary school Yeah teaching work. [Louise] Where did she teach? [Andi] Ah In secondary school

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and my fa- my mother is busy with ah community, she like me community I and my fa- my mother is busy with ah community, she like me community I

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mean um Make them active or do something she has, she mean um Make them active or do something she has, she

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make library to encourage them to read like that. Like the book make library to encourage them to read like that. Like the book

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become less and less and close the library, because they steal the book, it's my become less and less and close the library, because they steal the book, it's my

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mother. She always like to talk to people. [Louise]And did she have mother. She always like to talk to people. [Louise]And did she have

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people, maids and things to help run the house? [[Andi] Yes. [Louise] So you would have lived in people, maids and things to help run the house? [[Andi] Yes. [Louise] So you would have lived in

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quite an ex- quite a luxurious house? [Andi] Not quite an ex- quite a luxurious house? [Andi] Not

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lot, not too ?large? because my mother said even though there is lot, not too ?large? because my mother said even though there is

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a maid I have to do my, like because I am the oldest I have to take care of my a maid I have to do my, like because I am the oldest I have to take care of my

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sister brother and sometimes I have to clean I have to just to help the maid to sister brother and sometimes I have to clean I have to just to help the maid to

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do it but because all my father's sister live with us do it but because all my father's sister live with us

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we have we have

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a lot of people at home more than 13 people at home. [Louise] And did you enjoy that, having a lot of people at home more than 13 people at home. [Louise] And did you enjoy that, having

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lots of people around? [Andi] Yeah because there's always ah busy and laughing and playing and lots of people around? [Andi] Yeah because there's always ah busy and laughing and playing and

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everything story telling. [Louise] What sort of games would you play? [Andi] Ah especially for everything story telling. [Louise] What sort of games would you play? [Andi] Ah especially for

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the because we live in small town in Ambon, no game that time is no game ah I the because we live in small town in Ambon, no game that time is no game ah I

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mean like computer or everything only radio, and my auntie always taught me how mean like computer or everything only radio, and my auntie always taught me how

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to sing in the moonlight, we count the the stars and to sing in the moonlight, we count the the stars and

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just make sit sit around and singing and story telling about the just make sit sit around and singing and story telling about the

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Muslim, I mean the history of Muslim, of Prophet or something just Muslim, I mean the history of Muslim, of Prophet or something just

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informal education. [Louise] So you had a lot of fun really? [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] You would say it was informal education. [Louise] So you had a lot of fun really? [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] You would say it was

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a happy childhood? [Andi] Yes I have very very hap-. I mean happy happy childhood a happy childhood? [Andi] Yes I have very very hap-. I mean happy happy childhood

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but not after I get my period I sad [Louise] Why was that? [Andi] Because when I get but not after I get my period I sad [Louise] Why was that? [Andi] Because when I get

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my period I start to become embarrassed, because I still young and I don't know what is that my period I start to become embarrassed, because I still young and I don't know what is that

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[Louise] How old were you? [Andi] Ten. Ten and half maybe. [Louise] And so that [Louise] How old were you? [Andi] Ten. Ten and half maybe. [Louise] And so that

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sort of made you sad and quite shy did it? [Andi] Yeah, shy and because oh why sort of made you sad and quite shy did it? [Andi] Yeah, shy and because oh why

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what's this. I. I feel Like um .lot's what's this. I. I feel Like um .lot's

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special but because I have now. My Aunty said you're now mature special but because I have now. My Aunty said you're now mature

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and now some of this, like all my friends, not my friend and now some of this, like all my friends, not my friend

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my auntie friend or because I have, I'm the 1st one who will get it their period my auntie friend or because I have, I'm the 1st one who will get it their period

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and oh if you already have period it means you and oh if you already have period it means you

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need to oh I mean resoponsable of your life need to oh I mean resoponsable of your life

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of your body of your, and some of them get married I said 'No no no no no' of your body of your, and some of them get married I said 'No no no no no'

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I don't want that, I want to go school and my auntie may be teasing me, maybe I don't know I don't want that, I want to go school and my auntie may be teasing me, maybe I don't know

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just like that, [Louise] Did you talk to your mother about it? [Andi] Yeah but but she just said oh just like that, [Louise] Did you talk to your mother about it? [Andi] Yeah but but she just said oh

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yeah you're now mature now, you can't go playing with boy anymore. yeah you're now mature now, you can't go playing with boy anymore.

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[Louise] So it really changed your life? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] from then on? [Andi] Change my life, and changed my my [Louise] So it really changed your life? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] from then on? [Andi] Change my life, and changed my my

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childhood. [Louise] And ah you were already expecting to be responsible and look after your childhood. [Louise] And ah you were already expecting to be responsible and look after your

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brother and sisters anyway so that kind of added to your reason for being [Andi] Yeah brother and sisters anyway so that kind of added to your reason for being [Andi] Yeah

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sensible. [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] Do you think that's sensible. [Andi] Yeah. [Louise] Do you think that's

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a bit sad, or? [Andi] Yeah, I thi- now I think oh I lost my childhood somehow of the a bit sad, or? [Andi] Yeah, I thi- now I think oh I lost my childhood somehow of the

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some part of my but I look on my look back at, look at my sister brother some part of my but I look on my look back at, look at my sister brother

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oh oh

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they still running around and I just sit there reading book like that they still running around and I just sit there reading book like that

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you were you were

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a great reader you liked reading? [Andi] Yes. [Louise] And did you love school? [Andi] Yes. [Louise] And you we're good at a great reader you liked reading? [Andi] Yes. [Louise] And did you love school? [Andi] Yes. [Louise] And you we're good at

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school? [Andi] Good very good. I think that time, yes because I always number one until school? [Andi] Good very good. I think that time, yes because I always number one until

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I have in the year t- 11 if now in here but I have in the year t- 11 if now in here but

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in Indonesia year oh 2nd year of high school in Indonesia year oh 2nd year of high school

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and th- always number one after that [Louise] Number one in the school? [Andi] In the school, the whole and th- always number one after that [Louise] Number one in the school? [Andi] In the school, the whole

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school. And I always get a prize ah something award something like that. school. And I always get a prize ah something award something like that.

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And but when I was year 11 my world become And but when I was year 11 my world become

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shattered because my father get married again. Because I'm shattered because my father get married again. Because I'm

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a gi- my father still has it everywhere my father went to, to a gi- my father still has it everywhere my father went to, to

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I mean to inspection have inspection on the area I always go with my fa- father. [Louise] To the airport? [Andi] Yeah I mean to inspection have inspection on the area I always go with my fa- father. [Louise] To the airport? [Andi] Yeah

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The airport or the, the area I mean not only the airport the The airport or the, the area I mean not only the airport the

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the suburb the village or something I always go with my father, camping or the suburb the village or something I always go with my father, camping or

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something always go with my father and I think that my father love me and when something always go with my father and I think that my father love me and when

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he got married again with my mother still there I, I feel that he got married again with my mother still there I, I feel that

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he betrayed me. [Louise] Do you think, did your mother think he betrayed her? [Andi] Yes of course. [Louise] Was she sad he betrayed me. [Louise] Do you think, did your mother think he betrayed her? [Andi] Yes of course. [Louise] Was she sad

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sad? [Andi] Before h- he didn't know that my father get maried, got married and I knew sad? [Andi] Before h- he didn't know that my father get maried, got married and I knew

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because everybody talk about that, my mother didn't know and my mother asked because everybody talk about that, my mother didn't know and my mother asked

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me and I didn't say anything to her I just cried said " Ah Did your m- father me and I didn't say anything to her I just cried said " Ah Did your m- father

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married again he have another woman?" I don't I don't know I said, I just said that married again he have another woman?" I don't I don't know I said, I just said that

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and cry and I couldn't study I couldn't anything and all my and cry and I couldn't study I couldn't anything and all my

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my mark drop and I said I don't want to become my mark drop and I said I don't want to become

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a doctor because my father asked me to become a doctor, and I said no I don't want a doctor because my father asked me to become a doctor, and I said no I don't want

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to [Louise] As a way of getting him back? [Andi] Yeah [Laughs]. And, that time because I didn't get to [Louise] As a way of getting him back? [Andi] Yeah [Laughs]. And, that time because I didn't get

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good marks anymore because [Louise] How old were you then? [Andi] Around 17-18. good marks anymore because [Louise] How old were you then? [Andi] Around 17-18.

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[Louise] And the new wife came to live in your home? [Andi] No, she live in another, another [Louise] And the new wife came to live in your home? [Andi] No, she live in another, another

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countr-, another town, is another island cause after that we countr-, another town, is another island cause after that we

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moved to Jakarta and ah my mother live in Bogor and my father moved to Jakarta and ah my mother live in Bogor and my father

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me I have to live with my father with my auntie because they said. If you me I have to live with my father with my auntie because they said. If you

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don't live with your father your father get lost and my father come back again and don't live with your father your father get lost and my father come back again and

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I said I'll live with my stepmother and my auntie and my [Louise] Did [Andi] father [Louise] you get on with your I said I'll live with my stepmother and my auntie and my [Louise] Did [Andi] father [Louise] you get on with your

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stepmother? [Andi] No and I ?have to stick? to her [Louise] was she a lot younger than your mother? [Andi] Yes stepmother? [Andi] No and I ?have to stick? to her [Louise] was she a lot younger than your mother? [Andi] Yes

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it's almost like my [Laughs] my age was a year maybe [Louise] And so did your father marry again after it's almost like my [Laughs] my age was a year maybe [Louise] And so did your father marry again after

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that or just the once? [Andi] He married a lot. [Louise] How many times? [Andi] 3 maybe. that or just the once? [Andi] He married a lot. [Louise] How many times? [Andi] 3 maybe.

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[Louise] Did you like the other wives? [Andi] No I like, I didn't meet them, [Louise] Did you [Andi] Yeah I meet but but I [Louise] Did you like the other wives? [Andi] No I like, I didn't meet them, [Louise] Did you [Andi] Yeah I meet but but I

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just. I don't know that h- he she was my father's wife just. I don't know that h- he she was my father's wife

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I don't I didn't know that time. [Louise] Did you ever say anything to your father about how you I don't I didn't know that time. [Louise] Did you ever say anything to your father about how you

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felt? [Andi] No I just, I don't talk about that felt? [Andi] No I just, I don't talk about that

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Did you keep, you said, you said before, that you went to Did you keep, you said, you said before, that you went to

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a lot of places with your father when he was working [Andi] Yeah [Louise] Did you just still keep doing that? a lot of places with your father when he was working [Andi] Yeah [Louise] Did you just still keep doing that?

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No of course not, [laughs] after, after he h- Yeah after in I mean in high No of course not, [laughs] after, after he h- Yeah after in I mean in high

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school I study, and my father just go around by himself school I study, and my father just go around by himself

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maybe that's why he has no no nobody, with him because my mother busy with maybe that's why he has no no nobody, with him because my mother busy with

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her community and her teaching. [Louise] And your mother didn't get married again? [Andi] No her community and her teaching. [Louise] And your mother didn't get married again? [Andi] No

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But they didn't divorce m- my father come back when yeah But they didn't divorce m- my father come back when yeah

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and when I would start working. [Louise] So where, when you were in and when I would start working. [Louise] So where, when you were in

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your last year of school how did you, what decisions, what did you decide you wanted your last year of school how did you, what decisions, what did you decide you wanted

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to do did you decide on to do did you decide on

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a course or [Andi] No ah that time I just want to have, oh yeah because I didn't get good a course or [Andi] No ah that time I just want to have, oh yeah because I didn't get good

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marks I didn't get in the uni and I just I just want to study marks I didn't get in the uni and I just I just want to study

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anything just anything close to th- my house and anything just anything close to th- my house and

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get the industial engineering. But that time to because I live get the industial engineering. But that time to because I live

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with my stepmother and father and my auntie and my aunty's with my stepmother and father and my auntie and my aunty's

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so protective. She doesn't want me to go I mean have so protective. She doesn't want me to go I mean have

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boyfriend or any, and she went with me to the school and come back again and she boyfriend or any, and she went with me to the school and come back again and she

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wait in [Louise] Every day? [Andi] [Laughs] Every day and all my friends tease me ah you ah look wait in [Louise] Every day? [Andi] [Laughs] Every day and all my friends tease me ah you ah look

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like kindergarten [Laughs] with the, your aunty sit there in the front [Laughs] of the like kindergarten [Laughs] with the, your aunty sit there in the front [Laughs] of the

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[Louise] Embarassing. [Andi] Embarassing and I don't have any friend that time because yeah I emabarass [Louise] Embarassing. [Andi] Embarassing and I don't have any friend that time because yeah I emabarass

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she embarass so much. Yeah I have only friend, girl friend and me. she embarass so much. Yeah I have only friend, girl friend and me.

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I can talk with boy but with her ins- at the ba- beside me and she I can talk with boy but with her ins- at the ba- beside me and she

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talk she one the one who talk what the one who thought and I just sit here like this. [Louise] And so talk she one the one who talk what the one who thought and I just sit here like this. [Louise] And so

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How long did you do that course for? [Andi] Course is meant to be only 3 years but I How long did you do that course for? [Andi] Course is meant to be only 3 years but I

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I finish it quite long maybe 5 years after that, and after I finish it quite long maybe 5 years after that, and after

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that I look for the job. I can't get within my industrial engineer I couldn't get that I look for the job. I can't get within my industrial engineer I couldn't get

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a job with that but my aunty, other aunty from my mother's she work a job with that but my aunty, other aunty from my mother's she work

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as a Government service, that, in foreign ministry and she offer me, as a Government service, that, in foreign ministry and she offer me,

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OK W- because it's difficult to , oh yeah to get the, ah job OK W- because it's difficult to , oh yeah to get the, ah job

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with industrial engineering that time um, yeah I went. with industrial engineering that time um, yeah I went.

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[Louise]In Jakarta? [Andi] In Jakarta in foreign ministry. [Louise] And what sort of work did you do there? I just [Louise]In Jakarta? [Andi] In Jakarta in foreign ministry. [Louise] And what sort of work did you do there? I just

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administration um job. [Louise] Did you enjoy that? [Andi] Yes, because ah yeah administration um job. [Louise] Did you enjoy that? [Andi] Yes, because ah yeah

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yes this is the 1st time I have job, proper job I mean yes this is the 1st time I have job, proper job I mean

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a proper job and went to from the 9 o- from 8 to 3 o'clock a proper job and went to from the 9 o- from 8 to 3 o'clock

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and yeah all the my friend there I mean I have new and yeah all the my friend there I mean I have new

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friends I mean new friend, new relation with old friend. [Louise] Your Aunty didn't come friends I mean new friend, new relation with old friend. [Louise] Your Aunty didn't come

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to work with you? [Andi] Yes she is, [Laughs] she was. [Louise] How long did she do that for? to work with you? [Andi] Yes she is, [Laughs] she was. [Louise] How long did she do that for?

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But differ- different section I woke here in different building and she was But differ- different section I woke here in different building and she was

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another building. [Louise] Oh right, but she wasn't, I was thinking it was in the aunt that used to come to another building. [Louise] Oh right, but she wasn't, I was thinking it was in the aunt that used to come to

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school with you? [Andi] Ah Yes [Louise] The same one? [Andi] The same one, she got the job the same one with me school with you? [Andi] Ah Yes [Louise] The same one? [Andi] The same one, she got the job the same one with me

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and [Louise] Was that embarrassing too? [Andi] Yeah but I always avoid her and when go home she and [Louise] Was that embarrassing too? [Andi] Yeah but I always avoid her and when go home she

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just go home alone, and I just go home with my friends I went home with my friends, Yeah [Louise] And just go home alone, and I just go home with my friends I went home with my friends, Yeah [Louise] And

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you went after working in Jakarta for how long did you there for? [Andi] I was maybe you went after working in Jakarta for how long did you there for? [Andi] I was maybe

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for 4 or 5 years [Louise] You then were transferred to Kenya [Andi] Yeah to Kenya [Louise] working with for 4 or 5 years [Louise] You then were transferred to Kenya [Andi] Yeah to Kenya [Louise] working with

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the foreign ministry. How did that job come about? [Andi] Ah i- oh yeah because my I the foreign ministry. How did that job come about? [Andi] Ah i- oh yeah because my I

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work as secer- not secretary administration, administration in one sec work as secer- not secretary administration, administration in one sec

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directorate and my director is ah, they appoint him to come. directorate and my director is ah, they appoint him to come.

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In Kenya and when he looked at my yeah I, my English not that good but In Kenya and when he looked at my yeah I, my English not that good but

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better than my other friend and she need me, he need me to do better than my other friend and she need me, he need me to do

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all the administration and I mean foreign calling or something like that, personal all the administration and I mean foreign calling or something like that, personal

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assistant now and they state said that and he asked me to become his assistant now and they state said that and he asked me to become his

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secretary and yeah he asked to my parent, he asked my parent secretary and yeah he asked to my parent, he asked my parent

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and they allowed me to go with them. [Louise] And how did you find it? did you and they allowed me to go with them. [Louise] And how did you find it? did you

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enjoy that? [Andi] Yes I enjoy living in Kenya is a lot of ?suffering? enjoy that? [Andi] Yes I enjoy living in Kenya is a lot of ?suffering?

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a lot of, I mean experience a lot of, I mean experience

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a new experience for me and you met meet new people new culture a new experience for me and you met meet new people new culture

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another culture, from, because I like reading and I like travelling I said oh yes another culture, from, because I like reading and I like travelling I said oh yes

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amazing just. [Louise] What did you enjoy most about Kenya? [Andi] For me amazing just. [Louise] What did you enjoy most about Kenya? [Andi] For me

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just safari just safari

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the the, all the animal. And because I the the, all the animal. And because I

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work as foreign I mean I'm a stra- foreigner there just work as foreign I mean I'm a stra- foreigner there just

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a bit like oh how the people I mean, a bit like oh how the people I mean,

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The I mean indigenous the Kenyan called it, because some of them is white The I mean indigenous the Kenyan called it, because some of them is white

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white Kenyan they call it white Kenyan and we mingle with them and. I mean white Kenyan they call it white Kenyan and we mingle with them and. I mean

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yeah it's quite amusing. [Louise] Very interesting [Andi] interesting [Louise] And broadening you broadened your outlook yeah it's quite amusing. [Louise] Very interesting [Andi] interesting [Louise] And broadening you broadened your outlook

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[Andi] Yeah [Louise] And you made a very good friend there didn't you? [Andi] yeah [Louise] Who encouraged you to go to [Andi] Yeah [Louise] And you made a very good friend there didn't you? [Andi] yeah [Louise] Who encouraged you to go to

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somewhere else [Andi] Yeah ah my friend in one, in the same room with me she is somewhere else [Andi] Yeah ah my friend in one, in the same room with me she is

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secretary because my English not too good to write letter or complaining or something secretary because my English not too good to write letter or complaining or something

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like that and my ambassador hired Canadian like that and my ambassador hired Canadian

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a Canadian to do all the English thing and he asked me to do Indonesian thing a Canadian to do all the English thing and he asked me to do Indonesian thing

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so we met in the, we work in the same room and when my my ambassador so we met in the, we work in the same room and when my my ambassador

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finished his contract as ambassador and all we three finished his contract as ambassador and all we three

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Not anymore I mean in the same ah, wha- job anymore and she asked me, OK Not anymore I mean in the same ah, wha- job anymore and she asked me, OK

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I want to go back to Canada. You want to join me. Oh what I should do there I want to go back to Canada. You want to join me. Oh what I should do there

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I, I bought just a motel there, you can work with me. OK then and I went to I, I bought just a motel there, you can work with me. OK then and I went to

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Canada for one year. [Louise] And what was her name? {Andi] Cheryl McFoy [Louise] And you worked with her Canada for one year. [Louise] And what was her name? {Andi] Cheryl McFoy [Louise] And you worked with her

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in in

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a h- motel [Andi] In a motel. [Louise] Where abouts was that? [Andi] In Yarmouth Nova Scotia. [Louise] And that was a h- motel [Andi] In a motel. [Louise] Where abouts was that? [Andi] In Yarmouth Nova Scotia. [Louise] And that was

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another completely different experience? [Andi] Yeah different, very, very different? [Louise] What did you learn another completely different experience? [Andi] Yeah different, very, very different? [Louise] What did you learn

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there, what were you surprised about in that job? [Andi] That job, I have to there, what were you surprised about in that job? [Andi] That job, I have to

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Listen to their accent, the, the gas accent because I always Listen to their accent, the, the gas accent because I always

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get wrong my friend told me don't let them get wrong my friend told me don't let them

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in if they're local because they have house there why then they want to in if they're local because they have house there why then they want to

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stay at, in the motel what for. So if I they stay at, in the motel what for. So if I they

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came to registration ah they, they won't tell that they're came to registration ah they, they won't tell that they're

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local [Louise] They're what? [Andi] They, they don't want they didn't want to say that they're local [Louise] They're what? [Andi] They, they don't want they didn't want to say that they're

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they're, they live nearby. [Louise] Oh right, OK, their address. [Andi] Yeah, their address, they always said that they they're, they live nearby. [Louise] Oh right, OK, their address. [Andi] Yeah, their address, they always said that they

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live in, ah was another in Toronto or something like that and I didn't I live in, ah was another in Toronto or something like that and I didn't I

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couldn't make I didn't understand what they said I mean they're accent. couldn't make I didn't understand what they said I mean they're accent.

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And once the local and came the local and came the oh I live in And once the local and came the local and came the oh I live in

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in Mountain or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah well in Mountain or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah well

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how many days do you want to stay I siad, she said only one day one night OK I gave how many days do you want to stay I siad, she said only one day one night OK I gave

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her keys and when my friend came just a just does she ah where does she live? her keys and when my friend came just a just does she ah where does she live?

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she said she live in mountains. No she's local. How do you know I said? yeah, her she said she live in mountains. No she's local. How do you know I said? yeah, her

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No I don't know, I just, [Louise] So she was No I don't know, I just, [Louise] So she was

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a local? Yeah she's a local and she just came there to meet her a local? Yeah she's a local and she just came there to meet her

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boyfriend. [Louise] Ohhh And your friend didn't want them to do t'shat [Andi]No, No, [Louise] She was strict? [Andi] Yeah she was. boyfriend. [Louise] Ohhh And your friend didn't want them to do t'shat [Andi]No, No, [Louise] She was strict? [Andi] Yeah she was.

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strict she's , the motel only from tourists from America cause they- strict she's , the motel only from tourists from America cause they-

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a boat, the boat came and only one day or 2 days they stay there and got straight to a boat, the boat came and only one day or 2 days they stay there and got straight to

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another part of Canada not for another part of Canada not for

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local go meet with. [Laughs] meet with [Louise] [Laughs] Boyfriends [Andi] Boyfriends or/ girlfriends like that local go meet with. [Laughs] meet with [Louise] [Laughs] Boyfriends [Andi] Boyfriends or/ girlfriends like that

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? this accent was that? this my experience until now I couldn't but now I now I ? this accent was that? this my experience until now I couldn't but now I now I

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I know the accent of English of Australian of American now my husband I know the accent of English of Australian of American now my husband

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said this is American Because my husband accent is American not said this is American Because my husband accent is American not

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Australian and everybody said oh you you're from America I said How Australian and everybody said oh you you're from America I said How

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do they know you talk English same like me. No your English is not do they know you talk English same like me. No your English is not

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English [Laughs] [Louise] Very different [Andi] Yeah very different. [Louise] And then you went, you only stayed there English [Laughs] [Louise] Very different [Andi] Yeah very different. [Louise] And then you went, you only stayed there

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for for

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a year [Andi] yeah [Louise] in Canada and then you went back to [Andi] back to Indonesia [Louise] Indonesia and what did you do then? a year [Andi] yeah [Louise] in Canada and then you went back to [Andi] back to Indonesia [Louise] Indonesia and what did you do then?

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Back to my old job but different section. [Louise] In Jakarta? [Andi] In Jakarta As ah administration Back to my old job but different section. [Louise] In Jakarta? [Andi] In Jakarta As ah administration

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but they because my experience as secretary in Kenya, they asked me to but they because my experience as secretary in Kenya, they asked me to

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become secretary of the director in. Before I work in become secretary of the director in. Before I work in

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but in Pajambon the office is in Pajambon now I moved to Samayon Still but in Pajambon the office is in Pajambon now I moved to Samayon Still

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Foreign Ministry but the place is, the building is different. [Louise] And did you enjoy that ? [Andi] Yes Foreign Ministry but the place is, the building is different. [Louise] And did you enjoy that ? [Andi] Yes

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because they have because they have

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a program to go, I mean, every year or every 6 months they a program to go, I mean, every year or every 6 months they

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to every. to every.

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[inaudible] every city in Indonesia with the all the cause this the [inaudible] every city in Indonesia with the all the cause this the

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Education and training and education for diplomats and they go to Indonesia Education and training and education for diplomats and they go to Indonesia

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around Indonesia and I went with them [Louise] So that's very interesting? [Andi] Yeah interesting and around Indonesia and I went with them [Louise] So that's very interesting? [Andi] Yeah interesting and

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just travelling [Louise] travel just travelling [Louise] travel

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is what you love doing. And how did you meet your husband Didi? [Andi] Yeah, When is what you love doing. And how did you meet your husband Didi? [Andi] Yeah, When

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I was in back from Kenya My friend asked me to go to like I was in back from Kenya My friend asked me to go to like

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we call it we call it

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a group of Muslim how to learn. And how to read Qur'an a group of Muslim how to learn. And how to read Qur'an

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we call it ?Santren? and the school informal school or you just get together we call it ?Santren? and the school informal school or you just get together

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and ah Learn how t- how the, the Qur'an says how the and ah Learn how t- how the, the Qur'an says how the

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prophet do like that and when I was there prophet do like that and when I was there

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and my husband came from Australia with her, his, his daughter and my husband came from Australia with her, his, his daughter

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1 year maybe not 1 year yet and when I saw him just slightly and I 1 year maybe not 1 year yet and when I saw him just slightly and I

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said where is his wife? Why he change the nappy said where is his wife? Why he change the nappy

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feed her And where he's wife? and they said oh his wife at home why feed her And where he's wife? and they said oh his wife at home why

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Why didn't she come with, I mean take care of the girl the g- these. Why didn't she come with, I mean take care of the girl the g- these.

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and always go good husband then very good, take care of the children I and always go good husband then very good, take care of the children I

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mean every children there he took looked after them before he got married with mean every children there he took looked after them before he got married with

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Australian he take took care of the all small children all become bigger now but Australian he take took care of the all small children all become bigger now but

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that time is small baby or and he like children so he is so good that time is small baby or and he like children so he is so good

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I mean a good boy, good man [Louise] And he, even though he had been I mean a good boy, good man [Louise] And he, even though he had been

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in Australia he was living in Indonesia at the time? [Andi] yeah, yeah [Louise] With his wife? in Australia he was living in Indonesia at the time? [Andi] yeah, yeah [Louise] With his wife?

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For thr- 2 years maybe and he bec-, bec- before he For thr- 2 years maybe and he bec-, bec- before he

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was in Melbourne he. Photographer or something like that. was in Melbourne he. Photographer or something like that.

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In Melbourne and h- when he moved to Jakarta he he got the job like In Melbourne and h- when he moved to Jakarta he he got the job like

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Photographer to Photographer to

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video [Louise] And he, he met his wife in Melbourne? [Andi] AH He met his wife in Bali, when video [Louise] And he, he met his wife in Melbourne? [Andi] AH He met his wife in Bali, when

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he actually my husband has he actually my husband has

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a Ah quite interesting story too he he will travel a lot too and almost a Ah quite interesting story too he he will travel a lot too and almost

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to same country with me but different time and we didn't meet it we met to same country with me but different time and we didn't meet it we met

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another [Louise] And he grew up in New York? [Andi] Yeah he grew up in New York and London and another [Louise] And he grew up in New York? [Andi] Yeah he grew up in New York and London and

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When he finished his high school he went to India, Pakistan When he finished his high school he went to India, Pakistan

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and Canada. And back to America he not but and Canada. And back to America he not but

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not New York, San Francisco and before he went to San Francisco he met not New York, San Francisco and before he went to San Francisco he met

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his wife in Bali. [Louise] Right, and he said he's father, his father, What work did his father do when he was growing up? his wife in Bali. [Louise] Right, and he said he's father, his father, What work did his father do when he was growing up?

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[Both] [In audible] [Both] [In audible]

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He's a, a united nation employee from Indonesia I mean from Indonesian He's a, a united nation employee from Indonesia I mean from Indonesian

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delegation and he worked in New York. [Louise] So you meet him in 1992 delegation and he worked in New York. [Louise] So you meet him in 1992

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but you didn't get married until 2002. Why that delay? Well, he was but you didn't get married until 2002. Why that delay? Well, he was

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married when you met him, [Andi] Yeah he was married, and he didn't know me. married when you met him, [Andi] Yeah he was married, and he didn't know me.

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Saw me but he didn't know me. And, when 199- Saw me but he didn't know me. And, when 199-

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5 199- 3, 4, her mo- his mother always if we sit 5 199- 3, 4, her mo- his mother always if we sit

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together and learn how to. Listen to the we call it ?ustat?. together and learn how to. Listen to the we call it ?ustat?.

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Now sheikh, sheikh here in in iran they call it sheik but we call it ustat Now sheikh, sheikh here in in iran they call it sheik but we call it ustat

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the teacher when we listen to the teacher [Louise] Is this [Andi] and his mother the teacher when we listen to the teacher [Louise] Is this [Andi] and his mother

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[Louise] Yeah. [Andi] Ah his mother always said oh, she call me Yani hiriyani from Hiriyani [Louise] Yeah. [Andi] Ah his mother always said oh, she call me Yani hiriyani from Hiriyani

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yeah yani, you're so good. And Oh I have yeah yani, you're so good. And Oh I have

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a son but he was far away, he is far away and he has problem with his wife. I wish you a son but he was far away, he is far away and he has problem with his wife. I wish you

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to ah, marry with my son. I said oh yah later on after he divorce. to ah, marry with my son. I said oh yah later on after he divorce.

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And he she always mention that AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and after that And he she always mention that AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and after that

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my, my ustat said Hiriyani why don't you get married my, my ustat said Hiriyani why don't you get married

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With my he call it SON too, the, the teacher said my son Didi. With my he call it SON too, the, the teacher said my son Didi.

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He's in, ah Australia I said Oh, if he want to marry with me He's in, ah Australia I said Oh, if he want to marry with me

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let him call me said because I don't want to call him yeah but I, you 're, my let him call me said because I don't want to call him yeah but I, you 're, my

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Mother always say she like you, yeah, you know and call ah Mother always say she like you, yeah, you know and call ah

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a call your parent come, to come to the schoo-, to the teacher's house and I call my a call your parent come, to come to the schoo-, to the teacher's house and I call my

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mother she came and they arranged. But only arranged that time mother she came and they arranged. But only arranged that time

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only that time. [Louise] So his mother and your mother got together to arrange that you only that time. [Louise] So his mother and your mother got together to arrange that you

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could marry [Andi] Yeah coul- coul- could marry him. But only that time. [Louise] What did he could marry [Andi] Yeah coul- coul- could marry him. But only that time. [Louise] What did he

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think about that idea? [Andi] Ah, who? [Louise] What did Didi think about that idea?[Andi] He didn't know. [Louise Laughs] [Andi] That's no think about that idea? [Andi] Ah, who? [Louise] What did Didi think about that idea?[Andi] He didn't know. [Louise Laughs] [Andi] That's no

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a problem He didn't know, because his mother didn't say anything to him, his father a problem He didn't know, because his mother didn't say anything to him, his father

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didn't say anything to him, and he didn't know me and when didn't say anything to him, and he didn't know me and when

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my mother asked me, when the offer to come to Pakistan my mother asked me, when the offer to come to Pakistan

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from my other boss and when I accept that my mother asked me why from my other boss and when I accept that my mother asked me why

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you want to go to Pakistan. Where is you're, I mean your friend in Australia. you want to go to Pakistan. Where is you're, I mean your friend in Australia.

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He asked you to co-, to marry you? No he didn't say anything, he didn't call me, he He asked you to co-, to marry you? No he didn't say anything, he didn't call me, he

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didn't, it means he didn't interested in me I said Why don't I, why I should wait for didn't, it means he didn't interested in me I said Why don't I, why I should wait for

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him to call better I go to Pakistan and I went to Pakistan him to call better I go to Pakistan and I went to Pakistan

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until fi- ah 3 years and back again to foreign ministry again until fi- ah 3 years and back again to foreign ministry again

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and after that when her, his sister call- and after that when her, his sister call-

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approach me and said Oh Didi has ah, is married again, with approach me and said Oh Didi has ah, is married again, with

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Oh I said, why don't, asked me inside my heart. And my heart said why he didn't Oh I said, why don't, asked me inside my heart. And my heart said why he didn't

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asked me why he marry with another woman it means oh OK now he doesn't asked me why he marry with another woman it means oh OK now he doesn't

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have have

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a he didn't yeah He didn't want me to become his wife yeah no a he didn't yeah He didn't want me to become his wife yeah no

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I just care for that time I'm busy with my new house I mean, I just care for that time I'm busy with my new house I mean,

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new environment in it and [Louise] In Pakistan? [Andi] yeah, no after, Back to in Jakarta [Louise] O.K. new environment in it and [Louise] In Pakistan? [Andi] yeah, no after, Back to in Jakarta [Louise] O.K.

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Right, [Andi] Back in Jakarta. But when I was in Pakistan when Right, [Andi] Back in Jakarta. But when I was in Pakistan when

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his mother passed away they called me and said Ah And it's your ah Didi's mother his mother passed away they called me and said Ah And it's your ah Didi's mother

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passed passed

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away oh yeah I'm sorry about that. Are you going to come?. No, I said, I just away oh yeah I'm sorry about that. Are you going to come?. No, I said, I just

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say sorry about that. But that time is Didi came home, I mean came to say sorry about that. But that time is Didi came home, I mean came to

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Jakarta to see ah His mother where passed away. And Jakarta to see ah His mother where passed away. And

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yeah I didn't say anything that time. Ah After I back to Jakarta. yeah I didn't say anything that time. Ah After I back to Jakarta.

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His sister approach me again, and his ah the teacher His sister approach me again, and his ah the teacher

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the ustat call me again and they said call Didi. No I said I don't want to the ustat call me again and they said call Didi. No I said I don't want to

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call him. [Louise] But he had married again, to another wo-? [Andi] Yeah he marry again to another and he has a call him. [Louise] But he had married again, to another wo-? [Andi] Yeah he marry again to another and he has a

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a boy. Ah Yeah son and he has a boy. Ah Yeah son and he has

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a problem again with his wife Oh ok why don't you marry him? a problem again with his wife Oh ok why don't you marry him?

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But because that time I have yeah my age is become critical a in the But because that time I have yeah my age is become critical a in the

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critical age and I think [Louise] For having children? [Andi] Yeah, for having children is 47, 46 critical age and I think [Louise] For having children? [Andi] Yeah, for having children is 47, 46

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that time, is critical, I want desperately I want children I said that time, is critical, I want desperately I want children I said

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before when I was in Kenya I talked to my friend Kenyan, she's Kenyan, Indian before when I was in Kenya I talked to my friend Kenyan, she's Kenyan, Indian

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Kenyan I said I want have children I want to have H. Kenyan I said I want have children I want to have H.

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I F H I V no what's fertility Hi I F H I V no what's fertility Hi

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[Louise] IVF. [Andi] something IEV to plant something in my tummy and I have [Louise] IVF. [Andi] something IEV to plant something in my tummy and I have

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children without husband I said. Because I think, still thinking about my children without husband I said. Because I think, still thinking about my

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father I don't want. Like that. But I want children I said to my friend father I don't want. Like that. But I want children I said to my friend

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Indian jild Indian Kenyan and she said you are crazy, you are not Indian jild Indian Kenyan and she said you are crazy, you are not

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have children without husband and it's not in the Bible. She's Christian. have children without husband and it's not in the Bible. She's Christian.

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She is Christian not in the Bible not in the Qur'an too. But I want She is Christian not in the Bible not in the Qur'an too. But I want

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children. Said no you have to get married. OK [Laughs] then children. Said no you have to get married. OK [Laughs] then

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That's why I'm still want to have children but when I back to That's why I'm still want to have children but when I back to

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2001 I got sick I got. My period become heavy 2001 I got sick I got. My period become heavy

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and heavy and heavy and my I went the gynecologist and heavy and heavy and my I went the gynecologist

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and they said oh you have to have operation so I know I want to have children but and they said oh you have to have operation so I know I want to have children but

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we can't help with it, because you're age is already critical we can't help with it, because you're age is already critical

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and this period doesn't didn't stop and after that I said and this period doesn't didn't stop and after that I said

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I went to the J-oh the work when I and my I went to the J-oh the work when I and my

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face become white because I have bleeding bleeding nonstop bleeding and face become white because I have bleeding bleeding nonstop bleeding and

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I went and they sent me to the hospital and the doctor said no you can go home and I went and they sent me to the hospital and the doctor said no you can go home and

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have the operation in the morning and went in the morning and they have the operation in the morning and went in the morning and they

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took ah, hysterectomy I mean yeah I said oh now I can't took ah, hysterectomy I mean yeah I said oh now I can't

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have children anymore but I don't but after of course I was have children anymore but I don't but after of course I was

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praying I was praying ah that God give me ah, wai- why I praying I was praying ah that God give me ah, wai- why I

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asked God every day every time that I want the children I said I asked God every day every time that I want the children I said I

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want children with ah and I want to have a husband who have want children with ah and I want to have a husband who have

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a could lead me in the praying because Muslim always praying with the a could lead me in the praying because Muslim always praying with the

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husband in front I want that because my my friend married with. husband in front I want that because my my friend married with.

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Another friend I mean Another friend I mean

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a lot of my friends some of my friends have husband from other like a lot of my friends some of my friends have husband from other like

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West and I mean western and they become Muslim and they have ah beautiful children West and I mean western and they become Muslim and they have ah beautiful children

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and they have. The husband who can I mean the leader become and they have. The husband who can I mean the leader become

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a leader in the house and I said I'm I'm a leader in the house and I said I'm I'm

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not pretty I want children pretty as my friends' children that's it. not pretty I want children pretty as my friends' children that's it.

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In but Muslim I said thinking like that but now I have no possibility to In but Muslim I said thinking like that but now I have no possibility to

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have any children with my hystorectomy ration as have any children with my hystorectomy ration as

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but God I know you are the best you know the best and but God I know you are the best you know the best and

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suddenly my sister in law called me again and she said. suddenly my sister in law called me again and she said.

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I asked Didi to call you and after from the hospital I asked Didi to call you and after from the hospital

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one day after. I came back from the hospital Didi call me and just introduced one day after. I came back from the hospital Didi call me and just introduced

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and just to have and just to have

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a chit chat. Every week he called me for an hours and hours a chit chat. Every week he called me for an hours and hours

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hours, hours [Louise] From where, in Australia? [Andi] From in Australia from Punchbowl he live in hours, hours [Louise] From where, in Australia? [Andi] From in Australia from Punchbowl he live in

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Punchbowl that time. And, But he still has, ah married with h- h- he Punchbowl that time. And, But he still has, ah married with h- h- he

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haven't divorce yet with the 2nd wife. And he said haven't divorce yet with the 2nd wife. And he said

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I arranged it th- the divorce paper. Please send it to his wife. Because his wife in I arranged it th- the divorce paper. Please send it to his wife. Because his wife in

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in Madden in Indonesia now the 2nd wife but he separate with that wife. in Madden in Indonesia now the 2nd wife but he separate with that wife.

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and. He called me every 2 weeks. And But he didn- he never have and. He called me every 2 weeks. And But he didn- he never have

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I mean decision until I said, my all my cousins said Eh, you are now old I mean decision until I said, my all my cousins said Eh, you are now old

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old enough to have grandchildren, [Laughs], you still not married old enough to have grandchildren, [Laughs], you still not married

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they have grandchildren 2 or ah widower with 6 children or 2 children some they have grandchildren 2 or ah widower with 6 children or 2 children some

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of them yes [Louise] So they of them yes [Louise] So they

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line up lined up 2 other men for you to marry [Andi] Yeah and they line up lined up 2 other men for you to marry [Andi] Yeah and they

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arranged arranged

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a meeting in the restaurant or something and we have lunch together and when they a meeting in the restaurant or something and we have lunch together and when they

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they said they want to ask me to marry them, marry him, and nother one they said they want to ask me to marry them, marry him, and nother one

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I said but I like my, Because I can't have my children anymore so I said but I like my, Because I can't have my children anymore so

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I think about oh now I have possibility to have ah I think about oh now I have possibility to have ah

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I mean children with white, skin it's a bit, But it's I mean children with white, skin it's a bit, But it's

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my, my goal I mean not my goal but yeah my wish, [Louise] wish [Andi] at that time my, my goal I mean not my goal but yeah my wish, [Louise] wish [Andi] at that time

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that I have to and said oh I ask him And I call, when Didi that I have to and said oh I ask him And I call, when Didi

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Call me I said there is two men ask me to marry them. You want Call me I said there is two men ask me to marry them. You want

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me to marry you, you want to marry me or not? If not I marry with some, one of them me to marry you, you want to marry me or not? If not I marry with some, one of them

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if yes tell me yes. Ah But I haven't finished my divorce if yes tell me yes. Ah But I haven't finished my divorce

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everything. Yeah it can do later, we can do this later, but you want me or not? everything. Yeah it can do later, we can do this later, but you want me or not?

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I said OK OK OK. I'll [Laughs] And. After He send The I said OK OK OK. I'll [Laughs] And. After He send The

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divorce paper through me, to send it to, er to his wife in divorce paper through me, to send it to, er to his wife in

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?Amada?. Ok and, After that, we, settled a day ?Amada?. Ok and, After that, we, settled a day

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before Ah sept.- For ah, February by February destiny my before Ah sept.- For ah, February by February destiny my

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step daughter has to be, have a minor Operation. tonsil step daughter has to be, have a minor Operation. tonsil

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and he said no we can't get married on February Ok, when then? and he said no we can't get married on February Ok, when then?

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February February

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March, April, April but still he didn't confirm it but I March, April, April but still he didn't confirm it but I

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already put, give a already put, give a

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I meant invitation to all my friends. But after that but I I meant invitation to all my friends. But after that but I

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have I'm fasting at that time because in Muslim if we want to have something we have I'm fasting at that time because in Muslim if we want to have something we

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something to, big happen to be there. we Wha- fasting we fasting we wake up something to, big happen to be there. we Wha- fasting we fasting we wake up

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in the in the evening we pray we ask God what is the best this [Louise]So you are asking him to in the in the evening we pray we ask God what is the best this [Louise]So you are asking him to

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could you marry Didi? [Andi] Yeah I ask God if he is ,Want to marry me realize could you marry Didi? [Andi] Yeah I ask God if he is ,Want to marry me realize

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that if it is good for me just realize that. Because he always said, later on he that if it is good for me just realize that. Because he always said, later on he

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never, never have a decision no-, becau- nah and I need never, never have a decision no-, becau- nah and I need

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a confirmation because I already talk to, I mean my to father that time my a confirmation because I already talk to, I mean my to father that time my

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mother already passed away and my father and to my sister and to my neighbors and mother already passed away and my father and to my sister and to my neighbors and

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I said I send invitation already and he said oh maybe I don't know [Laughs}. I said just I said I send invitation already and he said oh maybe I don't know [Laughs}. I said just

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say when and he said OK se- 7 of April. say when and he said OK se- 7 of April.

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After. The tonsil operation and the check up and everything After. The tonsil operation and the check up and everything

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and. He came on the the and. He came on the the

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7 7 of April is Sunday and 7 5 7 7 of April is Sunday and 7 5

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for, thir-. Yeah he bought the ticket already for for, thir-. Yeah he bought the ticket already for

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Thursday ah Fri- from there it's um yeah Thursday, Thursday morning he said Thursday ah Fri- from there it's um yeah Thursday, Thursday morning he said

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he will come. But still I'm not sure. Oh How come you not sure? he will come. But still I'm not sure. Oh How come you not sure?

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And I ask all my friends to pray for me just so, so he could have I mean And I ask all my friends to pray for me just so, so he could have I mean

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confirm that this is happen. 7 confirm that this is happen. 7

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And Thursday evening he came ba- he came to And Thursday evening he came ba- he came to

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Indonesia Jakarta and go straight to. The Ustat we call ah get Indonesia Jakarta and go straight to. The Ustat we call ah get

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get together in Polariya. And. After I pray get together in Polariya. And. After I pray

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a cause it's a bit dark and after I pray ?margary?. And a cause it's a bit dark and after I pray ?margary?. And

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friend said yeah yeah he's Didi's here. Yes I know. Meet him. Yes I said friend said yeah yeah he's Didi's here. Yes I know. Meet him. Yes I said

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said when he we just we just meet and he didn't say anything to me. said when he we just we just meet and he didn't say anything to me.

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And my friend said Didi this is Yani did you, I mean And my friend said Didi this is Yani did you, I mean

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recognise her, Ooooh In my, his mind it's not like this recognise her, Ooooh In my, his mind it's not like this

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He know Yani the same name with me but not this face It's in my he is [laughs] He know Yani the same name with me but not this face It's in my he is [laughs]

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mine is another girl's another one Ooooh this one yes, this one is Yanni. mine is another girl's another one Ooooh this one yes, this one is Yanni.

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oh he just surprised yeah I think [Louise] And did he marry you, on Sunday? [Andi] Yes of course on Sunday oh he just surprised yeah I think [Louise] And did he marry you, on Sunday? [Andi] Yes of course on Sunday

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[Louise] So were you very happy?[ Andi] Yes that time. [Louise] And so then you came to live in Australia, [Louise] So were you very happy?[ Andi] Yes that time. [Louise] And so then you came to live in Australia,

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in 2002? [Andi] 2002 what did you think of Australia when you first arrived in 2002? [Andi] 2002 what did you think of Australia when you first arrived

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yeah because ah It's OK for me the first time. But ah yeah because ah It's OK for me the first time. But ah

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I think because I live in Thailand in Kenya in Holland. I think because I live in Thailand in Kenya in Holland.

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I think this is not different with other European Cities I think this is not different with other European Cities

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but that time because my husband is not ah just but that time because my husband is not ah just

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a big shock because that time my husband didn't work yeah he just ah a big shock because that time my husband didn't work yeah he just ah

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because he has 2 children and because he has 2 children and

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a hotel like a cleaner but he has to run there and run because he has a hotel like a cleaner but he has to run there and run because he has

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to pick um my daughter my son and just and it's impossible for him to work to pick um my daughter my son and just and it's impossible for him to work

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with the 2 children and live in with the 2 children and live in

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a pension at the time and I was shocked because. Relief with a pension at the time and I was shocked because. Relief with

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that pension with 2 children and now with me is not enough. that pension with 2 children and now with me is not enough.

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yeah of course after that he looked for the job I mean but because it's already yeah of course after that he looked for the job I mean but because it's already

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It's not possible for him to look for the job like before like It's not possible for him to look for the job like before like

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a camera man or something like that and he just went to taxi driver until now he a camera man or something like that and he just went to taxi driver until now he

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worked at taxi driver. [Louise] And when you, so you, how did you find the worked at taxi driver. [Louise] And when you, so you, how did you find the

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relationship you had with your new children, your step children? [Andi] Cause yeah... [Louise] Did you fit in relationship you had with your new children, your step children? [Andi] Cause yeah... [Louise] Did you fit in

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OK with them? [Andi] 1st time yeah I a bit because [Louise] How old were the children then? OK with them? [Andi] 1st time yeah I a bit because [Louise] How old were the children then?

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Boy is 2 years and half and. [Louise] And what was his name, what was his name? [Andi] Um Maliku, Maliku Boy is 2 years and half and. [Louise] And what was his name, what was his name? [Andi] Um Maliku, Maliku

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?Course and idea? and the girl is that time is ? ?Course and idea? and the girl is that time is ?

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and half [Louise] Destiny? [Andi] Destiny Linda Asamawati. and half [Louise] Destiny? [Andi] Destiny Linda Asamawati.

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The girl because she has The girl because she has

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a bit experience, bad experience with the mother of the boy and she's a bit withdrawn a bit experience, bad experience with the mother of the boy and she's a bit withdrawn

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that time. But yeah of course I tried to, ah communicate with her that time. But yeah of course I tried to, ah communicate with her

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but sometimes ah she just look at me quietly but sometimes ah she just look at me quietly

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that time I didn't know I her experience, so bad but, er whe- I just try to clear that time I didn't know I her experience, so bad but, er whe- I just try to clear

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tried to communicate with her by cleaning her room, like that. tried to communicate with her by cleaning her room, like that.

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?There in?, Tried to talk but because she talk in English and I talk in Indonesian ?There in?, Tried to talk but because she talk in English and I talk in Indonesian

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[Laughs] So bit, a bit Miscommunication but my English is [Laughs] So bit, a bit Miscommunication but my English is

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still ah Stuttering, not complete not still ah Stuttering, not complete not

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complete ah sentences. I don't know why I just cause I said I complete ah sentences. I don't know why I just cause I said I

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live in Canada I live With English, talking English almost every day but not now live in Canada I live With English, talking English almost every day but not now

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now I'm just I couldn't speak with her properly I don't know what. And, now I'm just I couldn't speak with her properly I don't know what. And,

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Yeah she quietly talking to me and I said Why Where is your Yeah she quietly talking to me and I said Why Where is your

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chair? I said chair? I said

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Burn it Oh why? Yeah because mama Burn it Oh why? Yeah because mama

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doesn't like it. Oh. And where's your mo- I mean doesn't like it. Oh. And where's your mo- I mean

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I tried to make her a bit I tried to make her a bit

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I mean [Louise] To talk a bit more [Andi] Talk a bit more about her moth- [Louise] experiences [Andi] Experiences I mean [Louise] To talk a bit more [Andi] Talk a bit more about her moth- [Louise] experiences [Andi] Experiences

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but h- she didn't want to. Yes she said that his mother but h- she didn't want to. Yes she said that his mother

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Step her stepmother, the mother of the boy is very ah no good but Step her stepmother, the mother of the boy is very ah no good but

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then ah, She said. She always force her and then ah, She said. She always force her and

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pinch her is it oh why. Because I don't want to eat. She pinch her is it oh why. Because I don't want to eat. She

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just lost his her patience maybe and pinch. just lost his her patience maybe and pinch.

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And why I said, I asked my husband why he divorce. And why I said, I asked my husband why he divorce.

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His sons mother the 2nd wife, yeah, because the- they she they didn't get along His sons mother the 2nd wife, yeah, because the- they she they didn't get along

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with her his daughter. And DOCs came to the house with her his daughter. And DOCs came to the house

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and because all the bruise in, on her body and my husband doesn't want it and because all the bruise in, on her body and my husband doesn't want it

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that. [Louise] So you had a bit of that. [Louise] So you had a bit of

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a few bridges to build. [Andi] Yeah I have... [Louise] And you get on well with her and your stepson now? [Andi] Yeah. a few bridges to build. [Andi] Yeah I have... [Louise] And you get on well with her and your stepson now? [Andi] Yeah.

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Yes and sh- h- he doesn't know that I'm not his mother, until last year, he said Yes and sh- h- he doesn't know that I'm not his mother, until last year, he said

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Oh your not my mother, Where's my mother then [Laughs] Yeah you have another mother that in Oh your not my mother, Where's my mother then [Laughs] Yeah you have another mother that in

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Indonesia, in Madan [Louise] So, so he doesn't see he's um Indonesia, in Madan [Louise] So, so he doesn't see he's um

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mother. And how old were you when you came to Australia? How old was he when you came mother. And how old were you when you came to Australia? How old was he when you came

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[Andi] He t- 2 and Half [Louise] So you have been his mother? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] yeah so you're happy [Andi] He t- 2 and Half [Louise] So you have been his mother? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] yeah so you're happy

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to be in New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. [Andi] Yeah ah because I live in like to be in New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. [Andi] Yeah ah because I live in like

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Punchbowl near close to Lakemba, and there have Punchbowl near close to Lakemba, and there have

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a lot of Muslim ah Community I'm not I don't feel the stranger a lot of Muslim ah Community I'm not I don't feel the stranger

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here I feel like it's my home this is my country. That even though I'm still here I feel like it's my home this is my country. That even though I'm still

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Indonesian [Louise] You grew up Indonesian [Louise] You grew up

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a fairly with fairly strong teachings about your faith the Islamic faith [Andi] Yeah. a fairly with fairly strong teachings about your faith the Islamic faith [Andi] Yeah.

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and your, your Aunties and your mother and your father talked and your, your Aunties and your mother and your father talked

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a lot about the stories from the Qur'an, do you have you been the same way with your a lot about the stories from the Qur'an, do you have you been the same way with your

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stepchildren? [Andi] Yeah but they don't do that. My stepchildren? [Andi] Yeah but they don't do that. My

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my yeah stepdaughter they are Sikh because she is big now and she learned by my yeah stepdaughter they are Sikh because she is big now and she learned by

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herself from Google or something and somehow she found it from google she google it herself from Google or something and somehow she found it from google she google it

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On the computer? On the computer?

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[Andi] [Laughs] on the computer. But my son still, I mean we have to ask him to [Andi] [Laughs] on the computer. But my son still, I mean we have to ask him to

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pray every time. [Louise] Do the go to, does he go to an Islamic school [Andi] No pray every time. [Louise] Do the go to, does he go to an Islamic school [Andi] No

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He goes to public school but every before it's every [pause] Sunday He goes to public school but every before it's every [pause] Sunday

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he went to an Islamic school I mean it's just just he went to an Islamic school I mean it's just just

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a how to read now the role of the, but because we move that time we move to Kingsgrove a how to read now the role of the, but because we move that time we move to Kingsgrove

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and I can't drive and is far away for him to go to school in Punchbowl. and I can't drive and is far away for him to go to school in Punchbowl.

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And we stop the school but yeah he he knows how to pray [Louise] and do the family And we stop the school but yeah he he knows how to pray [Louise] and do the family

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whole family do ramadan fasting? [Andi] Yes. He li- my son is like he likes fasting but whole family do ramadan fasting? [Andi] Yes. He li- my son is like he likes fasting but

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he doesn't like to pray on time just we have to ask him. [Louise] Is your, it's still the Muslim he doesn't like to pray on time just we have to ask him. [Louise] Is your, it's still the Muslim

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religion is still very important part of [Andi] yes [Louise] your relationship with your husband [Andi] Relantionshipyes religion is still very important part of [Andi] yes [Louise] your relationship with your husband [Andi] Relantionshipyes

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and way off life our la- way of life. [Louise] And you were saying before and way off life our la- way of life. [Louise] And you were saying before

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that your daughter, your step daughter wanted to actually wear the Hijab. Even though you weren't that your daughter, your step daughter wanted to actually wear the Hijab. Even though you weren't

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wearing it but she chose to wear it? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] How old was she when she did that? wearing it but she chose to wear it? [Andi] Yeah [Louise] How old was she when she did that?

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almost 11, yeah 11 she was 11, year 5 almost 11, yeah 11 she was 11, year 5

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and, when I came here she was 10 and half and and, when I came here she was 10 and half and

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I don't know why suddenly. She said, she want to wear hijab I said do you? why? I don't know why suddenly. She said, she want to wear hijab I said do you? why?

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just want to wear it Oh but oooh Oh I'm I don't just want to wear it Oh but oooh Oh I'm I don't

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I was speechless that time because I don't have any dress or skirt because all my I was speechless that time because I don't have any dress or skirt because all my

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[laughs] [Louise] short dresses [Andi] my dress is short Short dress, with ah, even that time when I [laughs] [Louise] short dresses [Andi] my dress is short Short dress, with ah, even that time when I

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came here winter time but still. Not ready with the hijab came here winter time but still. Not ready with the hijab

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thing. [Louise] And you had never worn a hijab before coming to Australia [Andi] no, no I wear thing. [Louise] And you had never worn a hijab before coming to Australia [Andi] no, no I wear

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a shawl in in in when I was in Pakistan because their a shawl in in in when I was in Pakistan because their

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dresses are dresses are

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?salwa camis? with shawl long shawl and when I was in Pakistan I wore ?salwa camis? with shawl long shawl and when I was in Pakistan I wore

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shawl only that not hijab [Louise] And so your daughter, your stepdaughter shawl only that not hijab [Louise] And so your daughter, your stepdaughter

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wanted to wear a hijab and so you decided to wear one to? [Andi] Yes because it's awkward wanted to wear a hijab and so you decided to wear one to? [Andi] Yes because it's awkward

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she wore it and I didn't. [Louise] So you thought it was better for her? [Andi] yeah [Louise] And now you wear it she wore it and I didn't. [Louise] So you thought it was better for her? [Andi] yeah [Louise] And now you wear it

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wear it all the time [Andi] Yeah [Louise] And she's 23 and she wears it all the time [Andi] Yeah [Louise] and she, she's wear it all the time [Andi] Yeah [Louise] And she's 23 and she wears it all the time [Andi] Yeah [Louise] and she, she's

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a very devout Muslim she goes to the mosque and she prays five times a very devout Muslim she goes to the mosque and she prays five times

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because we are girls I mean because we are girls I mean

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a woman as we are not I mean asked to go to mosque only a woman as we are not I mean asked to go to mosque only

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if we have if we have

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a celebration like eid. We go to, not mosque but we pray together a celebration like eid. We go to, not mosque but we pray together

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with other people. [Louise] And does she have Muslim friends? [Andi] Ahhh yes but not many. with other people. [Louise] And does she have Muslim friends? [Andi] Ahhh yes but not many.

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From the school from Sunday school she has that. [Louise] So you consider yourself From the school from Sunday school she has that. [Louise] So you consider yourself

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a fairly strong Muslim family. [Andi] Ahh Not strong, strong a fairly strong Muslim family. [Andi] Ahh Not strong, strong

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not too strong but not like fundamentalists, No we just try to do not too strong but not like fundamentalists, No we just try to do

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what we should do just like that but not like what we should do just like that but not like

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Radical or e- extremist or fundamentalist we don't know that because Radical or e- extremist or fundamentalist we don't know that because

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just Muslim as ordinary I mean try our best. just Muslim as ordinary I mean try our best.

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And just in relation to women's rights under Islam. Do you think women are treated differently And just in relation to women's rights under Islam. Do you think women are treated differently

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differently to men under Islamic law? [Andi] Aactually Muslim has. differently to men under Islamic law? [Andi] Aactually Muslim has.

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They they I mean the woman has. They they I mean the woman has.

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Higher position In Muslim actually. Than the man [Andi] than man but Higher position In Muslim actually. Than the man [Andi] than man but

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sometimes they feel like this. When make woman's couldn't sometimes they feel like this. When make woman's couldn't

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go anywhere but actually no. We can have education go anywhere but actually no. We can have education

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higher education and we can have we can have we can become higher education and we can have we can have we can become

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any anything like any anything like

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a doctor or engineer or Astronaut. Is, is a doctor or engineer or Astronaut. Is, is

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I mean privilege for a woman. But some of them if we wear this I mean privilege for a woman. But some of them if we wear this

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[Louise] the hijab? [Andi] hijab. Means the make woman to oppress woman [Louise] the hijab? [Andi] hijab. Means the make woman to oppress woman

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[Louise] it's not to oppress women? [Andi] No it's not about that. [Louise] what is it about [Andi] Ah just to cover. [Louise] it's not to oppress women? [Andi] No it's not about that. [Louise] what is it about [Andi] Ah just to cover.

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because it's like, ah Precious germ gem gem. because it's like, ah Precious germ gem gem.

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If we treat it like germ. It's not it means we have to to If we treat it like germ. It's not it means we have to to

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properly and we have to keep it from properly to Make It, is precious properly and we have to keep it from properly to Make It, is precious

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but if we do it like, like. Ahh let it but if we do it like, like. Ahh let it

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be any while. It's not precious anymore and woman is very be any while. It's not precious anymore and woman is very

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precious in my opinion in my opinion that muslim treated woman is precious in my opinion in my opinion that muslim treated woman is

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a precious gem. [Louise] With respect [Andi] With respect. [Louise] And you think if you wear the hijab you have a precious gem. [Louise] With respect [Andi] With respect. [Louise] And you think if you wear the hijab you have

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more respect from people than if you don't wear the hijab [Andi] yes [Louise] In In [Andi] yes [Louise] muslim faith?. more respect from people than if you don't wear the hijab [Andi] yes [Louise] In In [Andi] yes [Louise] muslim faith?.

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We are Muslim and we, that's like me. If I wear We are Muslim and we, that's like me. If I wear

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a hijab I can't go to the restaurant any restaurant without thinking about halal a hijab I can't go to the restaurant any restaurant without thinking about halal

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or not. [Louise] halal, the food [Andi] yeah the food the food, halal it means slaughter with the or not. [Louise] halal, the food [Andi] yeah the food the food, halal it means slaughter with the

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name of God But if I don't wear hijab I can go anywhere name of God But if I don't wear hijab I can go anywhere

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without anybody with Oh she is she's going. to eh to that Pork without anybody with Oh she is she's going. to eh to that Pork

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I mean the restaurant who serve pork but with the Hijab I can't go. [Louise] So it's sort of like I mean the restaurant who serve pork but with the Hijab I can't go. [Louise] So it's sort of like

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a rul- it's it's a structure that you [Andi] yes [Louise]can put in, on your self [Andi yeah [Louise] to be a better a rul- it's it's a structure that you [Andi] yes [Louise]can put in, on your self [Andi yeah [Louise] to be a better

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a better Muslim? [Andi] to better mu- and to, to do whatever I have to do with the a better Muslim? [Andi] to better mu- and to, to do whatever I have to do with the

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all the same Islamic, non Islamic women? [Andi] Yeah they're all the same. [Louise] And all the same Islamic, non Islamic women? [Andi] Yeah they're all the same. [Louise] And

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The 9th of the 11th, In 2001 in New York. The 9th of September The 9th of the 11th, In 2001 in New York. The 9th of September

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in 2001 and in Washington 3000 people were killed because of terrorist in 2001 and in Washington 3000 people were killed because of terrorist

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attacks these attacks lead to the Afghanistan War did these have any, did these events attacks these attacks lead to the Afghanistan War did these have any, did these events

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have any impact on your life as have any impact on your life as

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his his birthday at 11, 9 11 just after the bomb his his birthday at 11, 9 11 just after the bomb

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and he said Why they choose my birthday time I said oh what, Oh and he said Why they choose my birthday time I said oh what, Oh

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it's any any any date he said but this That time we didn't know it's any any any date he said but this That time we didn't know

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about terror I mean I'm not sure who did that and they said this is about terror I mean I'm not sure who did that and they said this is

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about muslim, about Christian or about, just terrorists they just want to do about muslim, about Christian or about, just terrorists they just want to do

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destruction any the victim is not only Christian or Muslim destruction any the victim is not only Christian or Muslim

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or just human being they want to destruct that it's not muslim because or just human being they want to destruct that it's not muslim because

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in Muslim like. Ok I want Suicide Bomber or something, in Muslim there is no suicide in Muslim like. Ok I want Suicide Bomber or something, in Muslim there is no suicide

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we're not allowed people to have, to do suicide anything suicide bombing or suicide we're not allowed people to have, to do suicide anything suicide bombing or suicide

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killing us or suicide something. It's not Muslim. [Louise] And then killing us or suicide something. It's not Muslim. [Louise] And then

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a year later in Bali the year you came out to Australia, there were the terrile, terrible a year later in Bali the year you came out to Australia, there were the terrile, terrible

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bombings 202 people were killed in bomb blasts in Kuta in Bali bombings 202 people were killed in bomb blasts in Kuta in Bali

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that really was um your country that, that happened and Abu Bakar that really was um your country that, that happened and Abu Bakar

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was jailed for conspiracy over the bombings but his conviction was later was jailed for conspiracy over the bombings but his conviction was later

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family with the, were thinking when that happened? [Andi] Just feel sad, because they they family with the, were thinking when that happened? [Andi] Just feel sad, because they they

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do something in the name of religion in the name of muslim without the. do something in the name of religion in the name of muslim without the.

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Killing people because muslim, they spread of Muslim religion before Killing people because muslim, they spread of Muslim religion before

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it's not with. Fighting or something but with trading. it's not with. Fighting or something but with trading.

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Indonesia from Gujarati from Arabic Pla- Arabic Indonesia from Gujarati from Arabic Pla- Arabic

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want to say they're thinking the way of thinking with killing be want to say they're thinking the way of thinking with killing be

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with fight thing I think is not it's not my in my [Louise] In your faith. with fight thing I think is not it's not my in my [Louise] In your faith.

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And do you keep in contact with Indonesiah politics and culture do you still And do you keep in contact with Indonesiah politics and culture do you still

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talk to your family and hear what's going on at home? [Andi] Yes [Louise] Is it important to you to follow talk to your family and hear what's going on at home? [Andi] Yes [Louise] Is it important to you to follow

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the politics and what's happening? [Andi] No not politics, bu- but yeah I, last time the politics and what's happening? [Andi] No not politics, bu- but yeah I, last time

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last election day I become ah some of the or so last election day I become ah some of the or so

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Indonesian Consulate here or I have a group for Indonesian Consulate here or I have a group for

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Indonesian group here in, In Punchbowl, to make Indonesian group here in, In Punchbowl, to make

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make in make in

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Indonesian people aware of how what they culture is how to talk in Indonesian people aware of how what they culture is how to talk in

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Indonesia how to get together and, have, have fun with Indonesia how to get together and, have, have fun with

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Indonesian culture [Louise] And what is that group called? [Andi] We call it ah Indonesian culture [Louise] And what is that group called? [Andi] We call it ah

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Indonesian Welfare Association the group, but Woman Support Group in Punchbowl [Louise] And you Indonesian Welfare Association the group, but Woman Support Group in Punchbowl [Louise] And you

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did a lot of work with that, [Andi] Yeah [ Louise] Like your mother used to do did a lot of work with that, [Andi] Yeah [ Louise] Like your mother used to do

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a lot of your work within the community [Andi] Yes, I think mainly because of my a lot of your work within the community [Andi] Yes, I think mainly because of my

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mother I did [Louise] It's very important to you. And do you see any problems mother I did [Louise] It's very important to you. And do you see any problems

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arising in arising in

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Australia between people who have migrated from Indonesia or other countries. Did you Australia between people who have migrated from Indonesia or other countries. Did you

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see their could be see their could be

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a problem with long established Australian communities with migrants? What are a problem with long established Australian communities with migrants? What are

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your feelings about the future of Australia [Andi] I think your feelings about the future of Australia [Andi] I think

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I don't think any ah different, all my like my friend some of them they have, already I don't think any ah different, all my like my friend some of them they have, already

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had when they came here they only have I mean had when they came here they only have I mean

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a short money I mean now they have big house, big I mean family I mean they a short money I mean now they have big house, big I mean family I mean they

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came here only work as ah taxi driver or came here only work as ah taxi driver or

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Something like but they can't establish their life their family their Something like but they can't establish their life their family their

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I mean the house that I mean they have now Australia's I mean the house that I mean they have now Australia's

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their home. [Louise] And they're working they're working with the rest of the community. their home. [Louise] And they're working they're working with the rest of the community.

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And, eh ah eh you say you're in this Indonesian group and it's very important. Do you also think And, eh ah eh you say you're in this Indonesian group and it's very important. Do you also think

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think it's important to mix with the wider community. [Andi] yes of course. think it's important to mix with the wider community. [Andi] yes of course.

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Yeah we encourage them to have I mean, Activity Yeah we encourage them to have I mean, Activity

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And in English, English class Ah sewing class and ah, And in English, English class Ah sewing class and ah,

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Singing class or dancing class and not only Indonesian Singing class or dancing class and not only Indonesian

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I mean culture we've got Line Dancing lead line dancing it's not I mean culture we've got Line Dancing lead line dancing it's not

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Indonesian but learned how to do it. [Louise] So t- to look outside the community and Indonesian but learned how to do it. [Louise] So t- to look outside the community and

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just to talk about something that's very sad to you and many people what impact just to talk about something that's very sad to you and many people what impact

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is the news of the terrorist, um fundamentalist beheadings and other is the news of the terrorist, um fundamentalist beheadings and other

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terrorist activities by Islamic state members in Iraq have on your life terrorist activities by Islamic state members in Iraq have on your life

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and of the life of other people, Muslims in Australia does do that does that news have and of the life of other people, Muslims in Australia does do that does that news have

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an impact on what's happening in here in Australia, do you think? [Andi] Yes, it's happened when an impact on what's happening in here in Australia, do you think? [Andi] Yes, it's happened when

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Last after the beheading some news for that somebody beheaded Last after the beheading some news for that somebody beheaded

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and my daughter went to the city after, a bit dark and and my daughter went to the city after, a bit dark and

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then teenager shouting at her and said that You are Bitch. then teenager shouting at her and said that You are Bitch.

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Was that. Come back to your country and Was that. Come back to your country and

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you are the next to beheaded and she was very, very sh- sh- you are the next to beheaded and she was very, very sh- sh-

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she scared and she went to the train officer but she scared and she went to the train officer but

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he just went back he didn't say anything he didn't do anything and she cry he just went back he didn't say anything he didn't do anything and she cry

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cry and one man old man talked to the that teenager cry and one man old man talked to the that teenager

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Ah leave her alone don't Ah leave her alone don't

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Disturb her and he went with my daughter to the train and Disturb her and he went with my daughter to the train and

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Until Marrickville and my daughter just cry all the way to home. Until Marrickville and my daughter just cry all the way to home.

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And she didn't she couldn't say I mean what's that? [Louise] Couldn't speak. [Andi] speak and couldn't take And she didn't she couldn't say I mean what's that? [Louise] Couldn't speak. [Andi] speak and couldn't take

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ah. her face is just [Louise] down. [Andi] down ah. her face is just [Louise] down. [Andi] down

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put the her face down like this and the next, the that one is put the her face down like this and the next, the that one is

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Saturday and on Tuesday he went back to Saturday and on Tuesday he went back to

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a city to, the City, Town Hall and she ask the Police a city to, the City, Town Hall and she ask the Police

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Why ah, when [Louise] she did [Andi] yeah she did why that ah why she Why ah, when [Louise] she did [Andi] yeah she did why that ah why she

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asked for help from the trains officer why he didn't help her. And asked for help from the trains officer why he didn't help her. And

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they look in the CCTV and oh yeah ok and the police feel sorry they look in the CCTV and oh yeah ok and the police feel sorry

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about that and give her card their card if something happened to her about that and give her card their card if something happened to her

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again just call directly to this number and maybe because the train of again just call directly to this number and maybe because the train of

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officer that time didn't prepare. To help her maybe scared of officer that time didn't prepare. To help her maybe scared of

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that ten- teenager around there like that acting like that maybe they're that ten- teenager around there like that acting like that maybe they're

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drunk or something ah dangerous for him too if he drunk or something ah dangerous for him too if he

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help her just like but yeah but just call the police don't don't help her just like but yeah but just call the police don't don't

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[Louise] go to the station [Andi] Yeah it's happened [Louise] So it would have made you all very sad [Andi] yeah. [Louise] go to the station [Andi] Yeah it's happened [Louise] So it would have made you all very sad [Andi] yeah.

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But I think that like the Islamic state or something like But I think that like the Islamic state or something like

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They get They get

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ammunition or gun or where. where come from where the guns come from ammunition or gun or where. where come from where the guns come from

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they're so rich to get that. [Louise] Mmmm And the federal government has just implemented they're so rich to get that. [Louise] Mmmm And the federal government has just implemented

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anti terrorist measures like cancelling passports for people suspected of travelling anti terrorist measures like cancelling passports for people suspected of travelling

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overseas for terrorist causes and allowing authorities to declare some overseas for terrorist causes and allowing authorities to declare some

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conflicts as no go, some regions as no go zones for Australian travellers. What do conflicts as no go, some regions as no go zones for Australian travellers. What do

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you think of these measures. [Andi] Ah I don't I'm not sure you think of these measures. [Andi] Ah I don't I'm not sure

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I don't know but not all Muslim like that yeah. Some may be I don't know but not all Muslim like that yeah. Some may be

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but we don't know I don't know where, Which or who. but we don't know I don't know where, Which or who.

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Have the think the way of of thinking. Terrorists or extremists or Have the think the way of of thinking. Terrorists or extremists or

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I don't know Because I am only try to do my pray like I don't know Because I am only try to do my pray like

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there, think of God every day but not extreme like that there, think of God every day but not extreme like that

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no [Louise] No and you said that they are not actually following [Andi] yeah what the Islamic Faith [Andi] No no [Louise] No and you said that they are not actually following [Andi] yeah what the Islamic Faith [Andi] No

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no [Louise] is anyway and just a while ago no [Louise] is anyway and just a while ago

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a few weeks ago um The speaker of the Federal Parliament House in Canberra a few weeks ago um The speaker of the Federal Parliament House in Canberra

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banned people. Who or, or Thought that people wearing banned people. Who or, or Thought that people wearing

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Muslim head coverings were could be Muslim head coverings were could be

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a potential security risk and said that they had to with their if they wanted to be in the a potential security risk and said that they had to with their if they wanted to be in the

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gallery to watch the politicians I had to go behind the glassed area that's since gallery to watch the politicians I had to go behind the glassed area that's since

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been changed that doesn't it's not the case anymore you can go into Parliament. been changed that doesn't it's not the case anymore you can go into Parliament.

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talk and speak if you are wearing hijab or covering what did you think of those rules talk and speak if you are wearing hijab or covering what did you think of those rules

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that were implemented for that were implemented for

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a short time? [Andi] I'm ah I don't know but a short time? [Andi] I'm ah I don't know but

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ah Sometimes because it's like covering all the face for me ah Sometimes because it's like covering all the face for me

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is not in a mass it's not is not in a mass it's not

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a mass we have to show our face [Louise] it's not in the Qur'an. a mass we have to show our face [Louise] it's not in the Qur'an.

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So the total covering of the face is not in the Qur'an [Andi] No, it's only culture for me [Louise] it's So the total covering of the face is not in the Qur'an [Andi] No, it's only culture for me [Louise] it's

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a cultural [ Andi] Yeah from that time I mean ah that yeah ah that. a cultural [ Andi] Yeah from that time I mean ah that yeah ah that.

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side and because in Qur'an only you can cover, you have to side and because in Qur'an only you can cover, you have to

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cover all the your body accept your hand your face and. cover all the your body accept your hand your face and.

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Some of the feet but not all of it. It means we don't have to cover all Some of the feet but not all of it. It means we don't have to cover all

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these Maybe they're in that oh I don't know in my opinion is my these Maybe they're in that oh I don't know in my opinion is my

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opinion because that side is opinion because that side is

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a lot of sand they live in. Desert. Is a lot of sand they live in. Desert. Is

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a lot of ah dust and wind and we have to cover because a lot of ah dust and wind and we have to cover because

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the cove our nose has become sensitive and, Because of dust not because of the cove our nose has become sensitive and, Because of dust not because of

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Muslim and do you think it was. Do you object to the fact that people who Muslim and do you think it was. Do you object to the fact that people who

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had head coverings were not allowed to go and sit in the area where everyone else had head coverings were not allowed to go and sit in the area where everyone else

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was sitting to watch the politicians. [Andi] No They Can they can do every was sitting to watch the politicians. [Andi] No They Can they can do every

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for me in Australia, Australia democratic country anyone can for me in Australia, Australia democratic country anyone can

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have anything what they want to do, except Don't disturb other have anything what they want to do, except Don't disturb other

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that it's my opinion [Louise] and they weren't disturb- disturbing other people [Andi] if they don't disturb any people why you that it's my opinion [Louise] and they weren't disturb- disturbing other people [Andi] if they don't disturb any people why you

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don't why should ban it. [Louise] In the last year or so don't why should ban it. [Louise] In the last year or so

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are over 60 people 60 Australians are believed to have are over 60 people 60 Australians are believed to have

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flown to Syria and Iraq to fight for the Islamic state does that flown to Syria and Iraq to fight for the Islamic state does that

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worry you or, That young people from Austrarlia you're going are going over to fight for worry you or, That young people from Austrarlia you're going are going over to fight for

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Islamic state [Andi] I don't know i because it's not in Islamic state [Andi] I don't know i because it's not in

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some of it in some of it in

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Indonesia maybe the go to that too but in my opinion it's their war Indonesia maybe the go to that too but in my opinion it's their war

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just leave that we struggle with our every day life just leave that we struggle with our every day life

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just. I mean. yeah Don't mix mix just. I mean. yeah Don't mix mix

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with ah other I mean other country then [Louise] other fights [Andi] Other fights with ah other I mean other country then [Louise] other fights [Andi] Other fights

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[Louise] And How do you feel is there anything else you'd like to say the [Louise] And How do you feel is there anything else you'd like to say the

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New South Wales library, State Library. Are Very happy to interview for me to New South Wales library, State Library. Are Very happy to interview for me to

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interview you and a range of different people from the Islamic faith have you got interview you and a range of different people from the Islamic faith have you got

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anything you'd like to say about this project. anything you'd like to say about this project.

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it's a good project and because ah some, I mean, western people it's a good project and because ah some, I mean, western people

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always have ah, they don't trust Muslim I mean always have ah, they don't trust Muslim I mean

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Muslim is Identical with extremist Identical with terrorists and if you ah Muslim is Identical with extremist Identical with terrorists and if you ah

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your program make people knows h- how Muslim people live how they your program make people knows h- how Muslim people live how they

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thinking how how and understand why some people do thinking how how and understand why some people do

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the extreme people thing some just want to have a happy life the extreme people thing some just want to have a happy life

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and yeah it's just like that to understand yeah as a muslim and yeah it's just like that to understand yeah as a muslim

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living in Australia we have to understand why Western people I mean living in Australia we have to understand why Western people I mean

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Christian Mus- Australian live like this and we expect that Christian Christian Mus- Australian live like this and we expect that Christian

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or other reli- religion Australian with the other religion or other reli- religion Australian with the other religion

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understand why Muslims do like this but not in the extreme thing understand why Muslims do like this but not in the extreme thing

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and is there anything else you'd like to say. [Andi] Thank you for this I'm honoured and is there anything else you'd like to say. [Andi] Thank you for this I'm honoured

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I'm just ordinary Indonesian woman I have this I'm just ordinary Indonesian woman I have this

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feel and and express my way of thinking but feel and and express my way of thinking but

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not that great but I think that I am honoured thank you. [Louise] Thank you very much you've not that great but I think that I am honoured thank you. [Louise] Thank you very much you've

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been been

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a very delightful interesting person to talk to I did forget to ask you about a very delightful interesting person to talk to I did forget to ask you about

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your work in your work in

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Australia what is the work you're doing now in Australia? [Andi] I always volunteer Australia what is the work you're doing now in Australia? [Andi] I always volunteer

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from when I came here volunteer everywhere because I like community worker but from when I came here volunteer everywhere because I like community worker but

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they don't have fun any more funding from the government before they they don't have fun any more funding from the government before they

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a government they funding for a government they funding for

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Indonesian community to have activity and to the leader to have I mean they Indonesian community to have activity and to the leader to have I mean they

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pay the leader to yeah like job. Counseling or something like that pay the leader to yeah like job. Counseling or something like that

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but not now only ah that's why I volunteer but not now only ah that's why I volunteer

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Volunteer in good beginnings. Home visiting to visit the family Volunteer in good beginnings. Home visiting to visit the family

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who needs help [Louise] Indonesian people? [Andi] No [Louise] just everyone [Andi] just everyone who needs help [Louise] Indonesian people? [Andi] No [Louise] just everyone [Andi] just everyone

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the good beginnings and I volunteer to the good beginnings and I volunteer to

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Like Illit. The towards the children who has difficult to Like Illit. The towards the children who has difficult to

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read and I teach them in Clemton Park, my son's school read and I teach them in Clemton Park, my son's school

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And. I Volunteer almost every day. And after that I And. I Volunteer almost every day. And after that I

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have I mean I study in TAFE have I mean I study in TAFE

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Community service and it diploma I mean I got diploma Community service and it diploma I mean I got diploma

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of paraprofessional interpreter [Louise] Interpreter [Andi] to make me busy of paraprofessional interpreter [Louise] Interpreter [Andi] to make me busy

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a bit busy and now I work as a bit busy and now I work as

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a casual work at the health, western health a casual work at the health, western health

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district local district. As a Bilingual community worker and give district local district. As a Bilingual community worker and give

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information about F G M. [Louise] What's F.G.M stand for information about F G M. [Louise] What's F.G.M stand for

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female genital mutulation. [Louise] Oh right [ Andi] You know because some of Muslims female genital mutulation. [Louise] Oh right [ Andi] You know because some of Muslims

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still do that and we give information that it's not still do that and we give information that it's not

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allowed it's just a culture not allowed it's just a culture not

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a Muslim so [Louise] it's not only Islamic religious [Andi] Not islamic [Louise] So you would talk to a Muslim so [Louise] it's not only Islamic religious [Andi] Not islamic [Louise] So you would talk to

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children, girls, [Andi] To women yes mothers. [Louise] and do you advise them one way or the other? children, girls, [Andi] To women yes mothers. [Louise] and do you advise them one way or the other?

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what would you say to, recommend they do or [Andi] Recommend they don't do the F G M what would you say to, recommend they do or [Andi] Recommend they don't do the F G M

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Because you know Because you know

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no allowed in Australia. They will get 21 years of jail if no allowed in Australia. They will get 21 years of jail if

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they do that. If and ah Because in Indonesia we have they do that. If and ah Because in Indonesia we have

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just prick the. Not cut it, not sew it like Africa just prick the. Not cut it, not sew it like Africa

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but ah it's not allowed in Australia. [Louise] And who would go to jail if it happens but ah it's not allowed in Australia. [Louise] And who would go to jail if it happens

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people who do it? [Andi] yeah the people who do it, people who advise it people who I people who do it? [Andi] yeah the people who do it, people who advise it people who I

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mean the parents of the girl, and the doctor or the nurse or something mean the parents of the girl, and the doctor or the nurse or something

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everybody who everybody who

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[Louise] Is it very common in Australia? [Andi] Some some do that that's why there's [Louise] Is it very common in Australia? [Andi] Some some do that that's why there's

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a law now a law now

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a law just about actually the law has come 1995 from the United a law just about actually the law has come 1995 from the United

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Nations but it's not, not all Indonesian knows that. [Louise] and it's just with Nations but it's not, not all Indonesian knows that. [Louise] and it's just with

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Indonesian people you work with? [Andi] yeah only because we speak in Indonesian [Louise] and so is Indonesian people you work with? [Andi] yeah only because we speak in Indonesian [Louise] and so is

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that that

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a cultural thing as well not a, not a Islamic faith. [Andi] Yes is culture. a cultural thing as well not a, not a Islamic faith. [Andi] Yes is culture.

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[Louise] And so have you been talking to many young girls or families or doctors advising [Louise] And so have you been talking to many young girls or families or doctors advising

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them that it is the wrong thing to do. [Andi] Ah we just started this August them that it is the wrong thing to do. [Andi] Ah we just started this August

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I mean it's not we have we ha- I do 3 groups now in Lakemba I mean it's not we have we ha- I do 3 groups now in Lakemba

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surrounding and it's not finished yet because we have 11 weeks for surrounding and it's not finished yet because we have 11 weeks for

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that [Louise] so it's like that [Louise] so it's like

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a training program [Andi] Training yeah [Louise] people who may be have done it but are advised to go along to a training program [Andi] Training yeah [Louise] people who may be have done it but are advised to go along to

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your course [Andi] yeah to come to spread the information that it's not allowed your course [Andi] yeah to come to spread the information that it's not allowed

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in Australia and it's not because of Muslim or it's tradition in Australia and it's not because of Muslim or it's tradition

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for me [Louise] Which is illegal in Australia. Is the work very for me [Louise] Which is illegal in Australia. Is the work very

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challenging? [Andi] Yes because I'm not, I mean my challenging? [Andi] Yes because I'm not, I mean my

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understanding of Muslim rule is not, not I mean it's not like understanding of Muslim rule is not, not I mean it's not like

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a scholar of Muslim scholar and I give information to the scholar Muslim I a scholar of Muslim scholar and I give information to the scholar Muslim I

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mean. The woman the lady who who knows all the rule sometimes yes challenging mean. The woman the lady who who knows all the rule sometimes yes challenging

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as they argue Oh is that oh is like that [Louise] And have you seen any sad stories as they argue Oh is that oh is like that [Louise] And have you seen any sad stories

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about young girls who have had it about young girls who have had it

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No no, not in Indonesia we just know about I mean in No no, not in Indonesia we just know about I mean in

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Africa is fairly bad but not in indonesia even though in Indonesia only half Africa is fairly bad but not in indonesia even though in Indonesia only half

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a bit pricking that, that is not allowed in Australia that's why we don't have a bit pricking that, that is not allowed in Australia that's why we don't have

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sad story about that. Now they said in New South Wales one of sad story about that. Now they said in New South Wales one of

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Indonesian family facing jail because they prick the girl [Louise] So it's Indonesian family facing jail because they prick the girl [Louise] So it's

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important to get the message out there [Andi] yeah [Louise] amongst So you just talk to lots of important to get the message out there [Andi] yeah [Louise] amongst So you just talk to lots of

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different Indonesian people to spread the word run courses to spread the word different Indonesian people to spread the word run courses to spread the word

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[Andi] to say that it's illegal. [Louise] anything else you'd like to say. [Andi] I think [Andi] to say that it's illegal. [Louise] anything else you'd like to say. [Andi] I think

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like this [Louise] thank you very much. like this [Louise] thank you very much.

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