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[Carolyn] Identification, this is session 8, side 2. End of identification. [Faith] And Franco actually joined us. So we left Genoa. [Carolyn] Identification, this is session 8, side 2. End of identification. [Faith] And Franco actually joined us. So we left Genoa.
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And we went from there to Bologna and we had a great time in Bologna. And we went from there to Bologna and we had a great time in Bologna.
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And we didn't have to cook for ourselves so much because we were welcomed there by different people who'd been to the festival. And we didn't have to cook for ourselves so much because we were welcomed there by different people who'd been to the festival.
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And they were so proud to be able to take us into their house for a bowl of soup or whatever. And they were so proud to be able to take us into their house for a bowl of soup or whatever.
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And then someone said, I think it was Alan said, "Now we're not awfully far from San Marino." And San Marino And then someone said, I think it was Alan said, "Now we're not awfully far from San Marino." And San Marino
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incidentally, was independent. It had its independent government, although in Italy as you know. incidentally, was independent. It had its independent government, although in Italy as you know.
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And their Treasurer had been in the delegation that went to Berlin. And their Treasurer had been in the delegation that went to Berlin.
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And we arrived at the gates of the city because it is, San Marino, is just a city on a rock. And we arrived at the gates of the city because it is, San Marino, is just a city on a rock.
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And you enter through the gates to the city. And you enter through the gates to the city.
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We, our car pulled up, and we looked pretty bedraggled by then, and the man at the gate said, you know, Who are you? we said "We're from Australia. We, our car pulled up, and we looked pretty bedraggled by then, and the man at the gate said, you know, Who are you? we said "We're from Australia.
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We were at Berlin at the festival." And he nearly jumped out of his skin and he ran away! We were at Berlin at the festival." And he nearly jumped out of his skin and he ran away!
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And he came back with the Treasurer. And the Mayor. And he came back with the Treasurer. And the Mayor.
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And the Treasurer said "Oh welcome. You did that dance!" And the Mayor said "Come! Come!" and he called out the band. And the band played as we went up to the Town Hall. And the Treasurer said "Oh welcome. You did that dance!" And the Mayor said "Come! Come!" and he called out the band. And the band played as we went up to the Town Hall.
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And I tell you we looked... we didn't look awfully... like, we had extraordinary clothes on! A mixture! [laughs] And we'd been And I tell you we looked... we didn't look awfully... like, we had extraordinary clothes on! A mixture! [laughs] And we'd been
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camping already for over two weeks. [laughs] And we go up and from nowhere camping already for over two weeks. [laughs] And we go up and from nowhere
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the Town Hall is filled with women who spread the banquet table with a huge cloth and cooking takes place the Town Hall is filled with women who spread the banquet table with a huge cloth and cooking takes place
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and wine flows. and wine flows.
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And we're told to sit down at the table and eat and be welcomed. And the Mayor makes a great speech And we're told to sit down at the table and eat and be welcomed. And the Mayor makes a great speech
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and the Treasurer makes a great speech. And the Treasurer came up to me and he gave me a book of very valuable stamps and the Treasurer makes a great speech. And the Treasurer came up to me and he gave me a book of very valuable stamps
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and I have them to this day. Mm. and I have them to this day. Mm.
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So we had a wonderful time there and during the... it was like a banquet. The food was very simple. So we had a wonderful time there and during the... it was like a banquet. The food was very simple.
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But cooked by these women. You know, homemade pasta. Just wonderful. Never mind about the meat. Plenty of tomato and But cooked by these women. You know, homemade pasta. Just wonderful. Never mind about the meat. Plenty of tomato and
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onion and garlic. Oh it was heaven. Heaven. And wine. There wasn't a lot, but we had wine onion and garlic. Oh it was heaven. Heaven. And wine. There wasn't a lot, but we had wine
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So then we moved from San Marino. Went from San Marino to Rome. So then we moved from San Marino. Went from San Marino to Rome.
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Franca still being with us and acting as interpreter, which is wonderful, but she couldn't leave us. Franca still being with us and acting as interpreter, which is wonderful, but she couldn't leave us.
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She just couldn't leave us. And she said when the time was ready she'd get on a train and go back to Genoa. She just couldn't leave us. And she said when the time was ready she'd get on a train and go back to Genoa.
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Well in Rome I was... we were able to go to a proper bath house and have a clean up Well in Rome I was... we were able to go to a proper bath house and have a clean up
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and see Rome. And we spent almost two weeks there. Once again, like our permanent camping place became the... and see Rome. And we spent almost two weeks there. Once again, like our permanent camping place became the...
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Then after a bit I said, well you know... Alan said his boat was sailing on, the week before my boat was Then after a bit I said, well you know... Alan said his boat was sailing on, the week before my boat was
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and we'd better not loiter too much. So I said "I can't leave until I see Florence". and we'd better not loiter too much. So I said "I can't leave until I see Florence".
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So we hopped in the car in Rome and packed up all our goods and shackles. All our tinned bully beef and herrings and whatever was there So we hopped in the car in Rome and packed up all our goods and shackles. All our tinned bully beef and herrings and whatever was there
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and set off for Florence. And Florence was more welcoming. It was easier to camp closer to the city. and set off for Florence. And Florence was more welcoming. It was easier to camp closer to the city.
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And Florence without the drug trade was absolutely beautiful. It was so safe and so cozy. Quite enriching. So we spent about a week there, in the galleries mainly. And Florence without the drug trade was absolutely beautiful. It was so safe and so cozy. Quite enriching. So we spent about a week there, in the galleries mainly.
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And we'd made a lot of Italian friends by then. So one day some of the students came to us when we were having our corn for breakfast. And we'd made a lot of Italian friends by then. So one day some of the students came to us when we were having our corn for breakfast.
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And they'd sit down and we'd share with them because, you know, there was very little food in Italy and they said everything will be still today. So we said why? And they'd sit down and we'd share with them because, you know, there was very little food in Italy and they said everything will be still today. So we said why?
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There's going to be a strike and all the workers will be marching. There's going to be a strike and all the workers will be marching.
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So you must come and get So you must come and get
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a good place where you can see it. So they took us to a good place where we could see the march. a good place where you can see it. So they took us to a good place where we could see the march.
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And the marchers. Italy was very left wing at that time. Well certainly in the north. And they carried these long copper rods that went in front of them and they walked And the marchers. Italy was very left wing at that time. Well certainly in the north. And they carried these long copper rods that went in front of them and they walked
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twelve abreast. It was like a massive army. And their placards said 'bread and peace' and 'peace and bread'. It was wonderful. Quite a moving experience. So we left Florence regrettably. twelve abreast. It was like a massive army. And their placards said 'bread and peace' and 'peace and bread'. It was wonderful. Quite a moving experience. So we left Florence regrettably.
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I felt I would like to have gone back again. I felt I would like to have gone back again.
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In the last - it's now about six or seven years or more since I've been there - but seeing... I've been several times since but the last time was six or seven years. In the last - it's now about six or seven years or more since I've been there - but seeing... I've been several times since but the last time was six or seven years.
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And I found it very... it almost broke my heart to see what had happened to Florence. And I found it very... it almost broke my heart to see what had happened to Florence.
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You know to get into my pensione, you have to step over the needles. Well, it was sad. Very sad. So I said I don't want to see... I just don't want to see these cities. You know to get into my pensione, you have to step over the needles. Well, it was sad. Very sad. So I said I don't want to see... I just don't want to see these cities.
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It made me realise the last time I was there, how extensive and how deeply entrenched the drug trade is. Anyhow. It made me realise the last time I was there, how extensive and how deeply entrenched the drug trade is. Anyhow.
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So we went back up to France and went to Calais. Put the car back on the boat, on the ferry, and went back to London. So we went back up to France and went to Calais. Put the car back on the boat, on the ferry, and went back to London.
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And so I stayed in London until the week before Christmas I think it was. But during that time... And so I stayed in London until the week before Christmas I think it was. But during that time...
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no, I think it was longer than that. I'll have to check that. But during that time no, I think it was longer than that. I'll have to check that. But during that time
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I met up with friends from Melbourne. There was the Reverend Dickie? and someone else. Oh I know. A person by the name of... two people. Blanche and Kurt. I met up with friends from Melbourne. There was the Reverend Dickie? and someone else. Oh I know. A person by the name of... two people. Blanche and Kurt.
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An Austrian name. But he happened to be the private secretary for the Dean of Canterbury. An Austrian name. But he happened to be the private secretary for the Dean of Canterbury.
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Now I'd met the Dean in 1949 here in Sydney when he visited. And so Kurt said to me one day Now I'd met the Dean in 1949 here in Sydney when he visited. And so Kurt said to me one day
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"Look I'm sure the Dean will be most disappointed if you don't come down and see him." "Look I'm sure the Dean will be most disappointed if you don't come down and see him."
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So we said we would. Now the Dean had married again to a woman who was a beautiful artist So we said we would. Now the Dean had married again to a woman who was a beautiful artist
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and he let her have a studio and forbid her to cook or be involved in the running of the place. They had some servants who did that kind of thing. and he let her have a studio and forbid her to cook or be involved in the running of the place. They had some servants who did that kind of thing.
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So once again... [laughs] Kurt's wife Blanche... and Blanche was just a little more untidier in look than we were. Alan, Beth and myself So once again... [laughs] Kurt's wife Blanche... and Blanche was just a little more untidier in look than we were. Alan, Beth and myself
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accepted the invitation to go and visit the Dean on a Sunday. accepted the invitation to go and visit the Dean on a Sunday.
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And we were to go to Sunday dinner, spend the afternoon just going around Canterbury and enjoying it. And we were to go to Sunday dinner, spend the afternoon just going around Canterbury and enjoying it.
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Then going to the early service. 6 o'clock service. Then going to the early service. 6 o'clock service.
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And then we'd go to tea at his... what do you call it where the Dean lives? Whatever. [Carolyn] Chapter house or something. [Faith] Something like that. So I said, "Well the thing is, as you know Kurt, we're all atheists And then we'd go to tea at his... what do you call it where the Dean lives? Whatever. [Carolyn] Chapter house or something. [Faith] Something like that. So I said, "Well the thing is, as you know Kurt, we're all atheists
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and we haven't got a hat or anything that's going. And those days you couldn't go into church without a hat. "Oh" says Kurt, "Don't worry about that. We'll dig up some of the Dean's wife's hats. and we haven't got a hat or anything that's going. And those days you couldn't go into church without a hat. "Oh" says Kurt, "Don't worry about that. We'll dig up some of the Dean's wife's hats.
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Because you'll be sitting in the visitors seats." If you please, in the cathedral. Because you'll be sitting in the visitors seats." If you please, in the cathedral.
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Well we cut a picture I can tell you [laughs]. I had my hat, you know the one that I had when Well we cut a picture I can tell you [laughs]. I had my hat, you know the one that I had when
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when the boat was leaving. [Carolyn] Yep. [Faith] So I was okay and that was something I could fold up very easily. when the boat was leaving. [Carolyn] Yep. [Faith] So I was okay and that was something I could fold up very easily.
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But the others didn't have a hat and they all borrowed the Dean's wife's hats. [laughs] But the others didn't have a hat and they all borrowed the Dean's wife's hats. [laughs]
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Well I don't know what we looked like but the Dean got into the... what do you call it? Pulpit. [Carolyn] Pulpit yes. [Faith] And did he cut a... Well I don't know what we looked like but the Dean got into the... what do you call it? Pulpit. [Carolyn] Pulpit yes. [Faith] And did he cut a...
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And of course he went on. He'd just been to China and he was telling us that's where we should all... And of course he went on. He'd just been to China and he was telling us that's where we should all...
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that's how we should all be living. Little he knew. Well you know, when you do a trip like that you only see that's how we should all be living. Little he knew. Well you know, when you do a trip like that you only see
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they only let you see what they want you to see. they only let you see what they want you to see.
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And I learnt that from my trip, you know that train trip from Bulgaria going up to Paris. Made me realise that it And I learnt that from my trip, you know that train trip from Bulgaria going up to Paris. Made me realise that it
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wasn't for one people [laughs]. The people were divided economically. Anyhow. wasn't for one people [laughs]. The people were divided economically. Anyhow.
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So the Dean preached about the wonderful things in China. And then we when back to London and the next day Kurt said to me, now Faith, Alf So the Dean preached about the wonderful things in China. And then we when back to London and the next day Kurt said to me, now Faith, Alf
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Dickey, Dickey,
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here in London. Alf was one of the very courageous Presbyterian ministers who put their head on the block to stand up for world peace, here in London. Alf was one of the very courageous Presbyterian ministers who put their head on the block to stand up for world peace,
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and the banning of the atom bomb. And there was, he and the banning of the atom bomb. And there was, he
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and he had about four other Protestant colleagues who stood up against Menzies. and he had about four other Protestant colleagues who stood up against Menzies.
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For what they believed to be right, and that was work for peace. For what they believed to be right, and that was work for peace.
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So they said to me, now Alf's going up to Sheffield and he'll do a bit of preaching about peace up there. Be very nice if you could go So they said to me, now Alf's going up to Sheffield and he'll do a bit of preaching about peace up there. Be very nice if you could go
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and give him a hand. and give him a hand.
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Well I was one of the regular peace exponents getting up, you know, on platforms and what have you, saying how necessary it was to have the Well I was one of the regular peace exponents getting up, you know, on platforms and what have you, saying how necessary it was to have the
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atom bomb banned and for the, to stop the manufacturing of ammunition and so forth. Well, atom bomb banned and for the, to stop the manufacturing of ammunition and so forth. Well,
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Alan gets the brain, had by this time, cleaned up the car after our eight week trip in Europe. Alan gets the brain, had by this time, cleaned up the car after our eight week trip in Europe.
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And he said yes, he'd be the driver And he said yes, he'd be the driver
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and he'd take us up to Sheffield because he was very involved in the peace movement. And we got in and he'd take us up to Sheffield because he was very involved in the peace movement. And we got in
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the car and it was a Saturday. We went up to Sheffield and when we arrived we had to go the car and it was a Saturday. We went up to Sheffield and when we arrived we had to go
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and we were going to be housed in the rectory. The local Rector and we were going to be housed in the rectory. The local Rector
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was considered a violent communist because he was involved in the peace movement, right up to his neck was considered a violent communist because he was involved in the peace movement, right up to his neck
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and he used to go out on the streets you know and sell the and he used to go out on the streets you know and sell the
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literature for peace. And he, so we were to go to his place. We were going to stay there that night, and we are arrived literature for peace. And he, so we were to go to his place. We were going to stay there that night, and we are arrived
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and that was an experience. and that was an experience.
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And his wife just took us in as though we were a group of lost children And his wife just took us in as though we were a group of lost children
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and food was so scarce, I cannot tell you. You couldn't stand up in the streets of London because a queue would form behind you and food was so scarce, I cannot tell you. You couldn't stand up in the streets of London because a queue would form behind you
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immediately. immediately.
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So we took a whole lot of tinned stuff out of the boot, which had been left over from the trip to Europe So we took a whole lot of tinned stuff out of the boot, which had been left over from the trip to Europe
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and we took that in, but had we not taken that in and we took that in, but had we not taken that in
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they were all going to, we were all going to be fed on potato cakes. they were all going to, we were all going to be fed on potato cakes.
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And I remember the huge wooden table in the kitchen. There stood the wife and a few servants around the place, they were. And I remember the huge wooden table in the kitchen. There stood the wife and a few servants around the place, they were.
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And they were all, in big bowls, mashing the boiled potatoes. And they were all, in big bowls, mashing the boiled potatoes.
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And she, they had chooks. And they were putting eggs into the potato cakes, you know, and making the potato cakes for our tea.. And she, they had chooks. And they were putting eggs into the potato cakes, you know, and making the potato cakes for our tea..
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Well when we added the tinned stuff it made it great meal, it truly did. Well when we added the tinned stuff it made it great meal, it truly did.
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But we had to wait for the men to come, so while we waited for the men to come Alan said, let's go for a walk. And we did. But we had to wait for the men to come, so while we waited for the men to come Alan said, let's go for a walk. And we did.
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Truly open to the hardship of the miners. And it, as they said to us, this is the night they have their bath. So some who are coming Truly open to the hardship of the miners. And it, as they said to us, this is the night they have their bath. So some who are coming
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some of the leading miners who are coming, some of the leading miners who are coming,
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will want to have a bath before they come. Saturday night bath. will want to have a bath before they come. Saturday night bath.
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But you couldn't see the houses, they were just jet black. But you couldn't see the houses, they were just jet black.
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And all the steps to the house, you know, two steps were whitewashed, white painted white. So you could see the step. And all the steps to the house, you know, two steps were whitewashed, white painted white. So you could see the step.
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And there were common baths where the people went. And they would sit around waiting for their turn. And And there were common baths where the people went. And they would sit around waiting for their turn. And
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it was extremely depressing, coming from a place like Australia. it was extremely depressing, coming from a place like Australia.
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Where everything was so bright and cheerful, even after the War, the colours were bright and cheerful. Rest? [Carolyn] Sure. Oh I'm alright. Where everything was so bright and cheerful, even after the War, the colours were bright and cheerful. Rest? [Carolyn] Sure. Oh I'm alright.
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OK. So we had went up, and some of the leaders of the miners union came and joined us for tea OK. So we had went up, and some of the leaders of the miners union came and joined us for tea
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with the potato cakes and all the fishes. [laugh]. Talk about feed the five thousand. I was going to say. [laugh]. And she had also made beautiful Johnny cakes. Just wonderful. with the potato cakes and all the fishes. [laugh]. Talk about feed the five thousand. I was going to say. [laugh]. And she had also made beautiful Johnny cakes. Just wonderful.
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And we stayed the night and we had a very big meeting with the miners that night and their wives, And we stayed the night and we had a very big meeting with the miners that night and their wives,
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and their children. And they all said we've had it. We don't want any more war. We've had it, and our country has sold out to the Nazis. and their children. And they all said we've had it. We don't want any more war. We've had it, and our country has sold out to the Nazis.
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They were very progressive, very progressive. And political. They knew the answers They were very progressive, very progressive. And political. They knew the answers
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and it wouldn't surprise me if at that time they didn't know about the rogue King. and it wouldn't surprise me if at that time they didn't know about the rogue King.
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Because there was always doubt in the minds of the English people whom I knew about his worth. So. Because there was always doubt in the minds of the English people whom I knew about his worth. So.
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And then we went back to London and in London I went back to this lovely hotel. And then we went back to London and in London I went back to this lovely hotel.
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It was about a five minute walk to the, what do they call the underground? [Carolyn] Tube. [Faith] Tube! To the Tube. And I relished It was about a five minute walk to the, what do they call the underground? [Carolyn] Tube. [Faith] Tube! To the Tube. And I relished
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being in London and I didn't want to see anything that had been bombed. I'd had enough of that. So an awful lot of being in London and I didn't want to see anything that had been bombed. I'd had enough of that. So an awful lot of
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What was the name of the cathedral they brought to the ground in England? Doesn't matter. What was the name of the cathedral they brought to the ground in England? Doesn't matter.
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[Carolyn] Up in the north. [Faith] Yes, that's right. [Carolyn] Coventry. [Faith] Coventry. And having seen that I said, you know, I've had enough and I'm going home soon. [Carolyn] Up in the north. [Faith] Yes, that's right. [Carolyn] Coventry. [Faith] Coventry. And having seen that I said, you know, I've had enough and I'm going home soon.
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So I'm going to see London, and there were plays on. And the opera was beginning to function again in a small way. So I'm going to see London, and there were plays on. And the opera was beginning to function again in a small way.
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If I remember correctly, because from where I was staying I could walk to Covent Garden. But I spent a lot of time in Covent Garden. If I remember correctly, because from where I was staying I could walk to Covent Garden. But I spent a lot of time in Covent Garden.
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It stole my heart. I mean I couldn't be bothered going near the place now, you know, it's so tizzed up. I mean, it's It stole my heart. I mean I couldn't be bothered going near the place now, you know, it's so tizzed up. I mean, it's
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they don't sell the violets there that they used to sell. [Carolyn] Lost it's personality. [Faith] Absolutely. they don't sell the violets there that they used to sell. [Carolyn] Lost it's personality. [Faith] Absolutely.
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And you could come out of an early opera and go and do your weekend shopping right there with good fresh vegetables, at the And you could come out of an early opera and go and do your weekend shopping right there with good fresh vegetables, at the
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door of the opera house practically. So, and the atmosphere is gone. You know, it's not there anymore. Anyhow, door of the opera house practically. So, and the atmosphere is gone. You know, it's not there anymore. Anyhow,
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so I went back and then I left to come back to Australia. so I went back and then I left to come back to Australia.
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I'd been away in all I think about six-seven months, or something like that. I'd been away in all I think about six-seven months, or something like that.
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And I'd, not for one minute, was I ever homesick. Not at all. And I came, I had a berth on the Orchides. Beautiful liner. English liner. And I'd, not for one minute, was I ever homesick. Not at all. And I came, I had a berth on the Orchides. Beautiful liner. English liner.
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And travelling on the same boat as me was Frank And travelling on the same boat as me was Frank
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and Ross Harvey. That was the only boat they could get onto to come home. And they were lucky to onto get that and Ross Harvey. That was the only boat they could get onto to come home. And they were lucky to onto get that
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And so we came home, had a cabin. And I shared the cabin with Shirley Andrews, the scientist from Melbourne. And, oh just Shirley and I. And so we came home, had a cabin. And I shared the cabin with Shirley Andrews, the scientist from Melbourne. And, oh just Shirley and I.
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It was very comfortable. The food was awful, absolutely. Cabbage cooked until it was black. Awful! Revolting! But nothing like that mattered. It was very comfortable. The food was awful, absolutely. Cabbage cooked until it was black. Awful! Revolting! But nothing like that mattered.
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You know. We were You know. We were
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going to have a bloody good time on the boat and we did. going to have a bloody good time on the boat and we did.
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And there were quite a few of the delegates on that trip coming back, so we entertained the other passengers. And there were quite a few of the delegates on that trip coming back, so we entertained the other passengers.
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Played games and did all the things you do for six weeks at sea. And then we came back and Played games and did all the things you do for six weeks at sea. And then we came back and
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I thought it was wonderful going into the harbour in Naples, I thought it was wonderful going into the harbour in Naples,
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but you know, we have a wonderful harbour here. And that boat coming in at six in the morning, and the little tugs coming out to pull us in, but you know, we have a wonderful harbour here. And that boat coming in at six in the morning, and the little tugs coming out to pull us in,
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and Sydney looked wonderful! Just beautiful. I won't do any more this morning, I think. and Sydney looked wonderful! Just beautiful. I won't do any more this morning, I think.