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My name is Ingrid My name is Ingrid
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McGaughey, the date is the 2nd of September 2011 and I'm with Suzanne Stallman at her beautiful place down past ? McGaughey, the date is the 2nd of September 2011 and I'm with Suzanne Stallman at her beautiful place down past ?
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Suzanne was the Senior Geographic Research Officer at the Australian Antarctic Division from 1978 Suzanne was the Senior Geographic Research Officer at the Australian Antarctic Division from 1978
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and then Summer at Mawson in 1980/81. She's subsequently did multiple voyages as Deputy Voyage Leader and then Summer at Mawson in 1980/81. She's subsequently did multiple voyages as Deputy Voyage Leader
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and then Voyage Leader of the Australian Antarctic Division. Hello Suzanne [Suzanne] Hello Ingrid. [Ingrid] Suzanne can and then Voyage Leader of the Australian Antarctic Division. Hello Suzanne [Suzanne] Hello Ingrid. [Ingrid] Suzanne can
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you tell me you tell me
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a little bit about how you came to work for the Antarctic Division? [Suzanne] Well I saw the ad in the- in a little bit about how you came to work for the Antarctic Division? [Suzanne] Well I saw the ad in the- in
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The Age one day and I thought 'oh that's interesting, I've always wanted to go to The Age one day and I thought 'oh that's interesting, I've always wanted to go to
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the Antarctic' and I was working as the Antarctic' and I was working as
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a town planner at the time but I was really interested in pure geography and this a town planner at the time but I was really interested in pure geography and this
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was an ad for was an ad for
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a Geographic Officer. So, there not that many jobs available for pure a Geographic Officer. So, there not that many jobs available for pure
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geographers, so that really interested me, so I was lucky enough to be able to get geographers, so that really interested me, so I was lucky enough to be able to get
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the job. But it was interesting because I did all the interviews and then there was the job. But it was interesting because I did all the interviews and then there was
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a change of government and I'd actually been appointed, there's a change of government and I'd actually been appointed, there's
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a change of government and I didn't start the job for 2 years [laughs] because there was a change of government and I didn't start the job for 2 years [laughs] because there was
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a crackdown on new people going into the government so.. [Ingrid] Even though you had already been given the position? [Suzanne] Yeah, luckily I a crackdown on new people going into the government so.. [Ingrid] Even though you had already been given the position? [Suzanne] Yeah, luckily I
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was happy where I was and, yeah. [Ingrid] Did you have an expectation was happy where I was and, yeah. [Ingrid] Did you have an expectation
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that you would go to the Antarctic when you applied for that position? [Suzanne] Oh, I certainly did, yes I certainly hoped I would. I liked that you would go to the Antarctic when you applied for that position? [Suzanne] Oh, I certainly did, yes I certainly hoped I would. I liked
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bushwalking and out of doors and ice and snow because I grew up in America so I'm sort bushwalking and out of doors and ice and snow because I grew up in America so I'm sort
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of used to ice and snow. And where I grew up was in Ohio where the Ohio State of used to ice and snow. And where I grew up was in Ohio where the Ohio State
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had a had a
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a very big polar research institute too so.. and I've been to Switzerland and places a very big polar research institute too so.. and I've been to Switzerland and places
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like that so, yeah, I was quite interested in, in that sort of... but certainly the job turned out like that so, yeah, I was quite interested in, in that sort of... but certainly the job turned out
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to be really nothing like I expected it to be so that's good, or, and bad, I don't know. [Ingrid] In to be really nothing like I expected it to be so that's good, or, and bad, I don't know. [Ingrid] In
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what way? [Suzanne] No, it just turned out to be a broader, what way? [Suzanne] No, it just turned out to be a broader,
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a broader job than I expected and yeah. And took different paths, like a broader job than I expected and yeah. And took different paths, like
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becoming subsequently involved in voyage management so that was something becoming subsequently involved in voyage management so that was something
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I particularly enjoyed, working with all the people and working with er, machines I particularly enjoyed, working with all the people and working with er, machines
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and yeah helicopter programs, organizing scientists. I'm sort of and yeah helicopter programs, organizing scientists. I'm sort of
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a bit of an organizer I guess so..[Ingrid] Can you tell me the path you took to actually get down South for the a bit of an organizer I guess so..[Ingrid] Can you tell me the path you took to actually get down South for the
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Summer of 80/81? [Suzanne] Ah, yes there was some interest in Summer of 80/81? [Suzanne] Ah, yes there was some interest in
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getting soundings near, or first of all my, my round trip to Casey. getting soundings near, or first of all my, my round trip to Casey.
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They're interested in soundings at Casey They're interested in soundings at Casey
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because they were thinking about putting in a wharf at Casey, this was for an earlier because they were thinking about putting in a wharf at Casey, this was for an earlier
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voyage, and so I went down there and with the LARCs we took lots of soundings and there voyage, and so I went down there and with the LARCs we took lots of soundings and there
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were some people from the Navy hydrographic so I was sort of liaison helping them were some people from the Navy hydrographic so I was sort of liaison helping them
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to decide what to do, so we took all these soundings but the wharf wasn't built in the to decide what to do, so we took all these soundings but the wharf wasn't built in the
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end but that didn't matter because there weren't soundings in that area anyway, so that end but that didn't matter because there weren't soundings in that area anyway, so that
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has worked out well and of course there's always the problem with getting into Mawson has worked out well and of course there's always the problem with getting into Mawson
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and wondering what the best options are and there weren't and wondering what the best options are and there weren't
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a lot of soundings around that sort of general area in case the ship had to go a lot of soundings around that sort of general area in case the ship had to go
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out for any particular reason and so I went down to to work out that program again out for any particular reason and so I went down to to work out that program again
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with with
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a few people from the Navy hydrographic area, yes. [Ingrid] Was it difficult going down there a few people from the Navy hydrographic area, yes. [Ingrid] Was it difficult going down there
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as one of the earlier women Scientist? [Suzanne] Yes, in fact for the voyage to Casey as one of the earlier women Scientist? [Suzanne] Yes, in fact for the voyage to Casey
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I was supposed to go the year before but there weren't enough women to share I was supposed to go the year before but there weren't enough women to share
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a cabin. While I was the only one that was flagged to go on that voyage and so they a cabin. While I was the only one that was flagged to go on that voyage and so they
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said that I couldn't go for another year until they found some more women to share the said that I couldn't go for another year until they found some more women to share the
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a cabin. [Ingrid] So they wanted to make up a a cabin. [Ingrid] So they wanted to make up a
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a complete cabin each time? [Suzanne] Yes, yes that's right. [Ingrid] You wouldn't of shared with a male? [Suzanne] No, no [Ingrid] You would have had a cabin to yourself [Suzanne] No, no a complete cabin each time? [Suzanne] Yes, yes that's right. [Ingrid] You wouldn't of shared with a male? [Suzanne] No, no [Ingrid] You would have had a cabin to yourself [Suzanne] No, no
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Yes, things have changed. [Ingrid] They have. [laughter] So, who did you go down with? Yes, things have changed. [Ingrid] They have. [laughter] So, who did you go down with?
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I went down in, er the first trip to Casey I went down with. I went down in, er the first trip to Casey I went down with.
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Uta Herzel, and this is, yeah to Casey and um [Ingrid] the photographer for the expedition [Suzanne] The photgrapher, yep and Uta Herzel, and this is, yeah to Casey and um [Ingrid] the photographer for the expedition [Suzanne] The photgrapher, yep and
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Liz Carey Liz Carey
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a Biologist, yep so we were on that trip together, but then when I went down to the Mawson a Biologist, yep so we were on that trip together, but then when I went down to the Mawson
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in, for the Summer, in 80/81, I was the only woman at Mawson for the in, for the Summer, in 80/81, I was the only woman at Mawson for the
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summer with um 68 fellers I think it was, yeah around 65 or something. summer with um 68 fellers I think it was, yeah around 65 or something.
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[Ingrid] So did you share a cabin with females on the way down? [Suzanne] No, I can't remember who I shared with then but, oh, I might've [Ingrid] So did you share a cabin with females on the way down? [Suzanne] No, I can't remember who I shared with then but, oh, I might've
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because I know there's someone went to Davis, yeah actually because I know there's someone went to Davis, yeah actually
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a botanist went to Davis, so I think I probably did share with some other women a botanist went to Davis, so I think I probably did share with some other women
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then, there were some other women going to various places. [Ingrid] Were you very conscious of the then, there were some other women going to various places. [Ingrid] Were you very conscious of the
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difference of being a female in a predominantly male society? [Suzanne] Um, well I get on quite with men difference of being a female in a predominantly male society? [Suzanne] Um, well I get on quite with men
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I like ah, yeah I've always been interested in tractors and machinery and yeah I like ah, yeah I've always been interested in tractors and machinery and yeah
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men type things um, but I suppose the the biggest thing I realised was that you have men type things um, but I suppose the the biggest thing I realised was that you have
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to treat them all as your brothers is that you even if there's someone you to treat them all as your brothers is that you even if there's someone you
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don't really like you have to talk to them, just as much as you talk to the ones don't really like you have to talk to them, just as much as you talk to the ones
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you really like and that was quite obvious from the beginning, that you really had to you really like and that was quite obvious from the beginning, that you really had to
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talk to everybody. [Ingrid] So why was that? [Suzanne] Particularly, at the, I remember at the summer at Mawson one day I went talk to everybody. [Ingrid] So why was that? [Suzanne] Particularly, at the, I remember at the summer at Mawson one day I went
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out to the dog line and I would have looked the same as everyone else. My issue out to the dog line and I would have looked the same as everyone else. My issue
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clothing was the same as everybody else's but I remember when I came back they said clothing was the same as everybody else's but I remember when I came back they said
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'oh, you've been out to the dog lines' so, it was really obvious that people were 'oh, you've been out to the dog lines' so, it was really obvious that people were
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keeping a track on exactly where I was at all times which was sort of reassuring keeping a track on exactly where I was at all times which was sort of reassuring
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in a way in a way
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So I didn't get lost [laughs] And they went out of their way to make facilities quite So I didn't get lost [laughs] And they went out of their way to make facilities quite
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comfortable for me. I had my own private bathroom, [laughs] yes, and which had comfortable for me. I had my own private bathroom, [laughs] yes, and which had
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a bit of mid-Winter scenery with the er, on the on the panel there was a bit of mid-Winter scenery with the er, on the on the panel there was
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the panel that had the panel that had
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a fireplace and a mantle piece etcetera in my bathroom [laughs] which was quite funny. It was just like a a fireplace and a mantle piece etcetera in my bathroom [laughs] which was quite funny. It was just like a
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a partitioned off area yeah. [Ingrid] So they made it up specially for you? [Suzanne] Well, yeah, it was a partitioned off area yeah. [Ingrid] So they made it up specially for you? [Suzanne] Well, yeah, it was
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a partition part of a shed, yep, with a special toilet, fully decorated. [laughs] [Ingrid] Did it have any names on it a partition part of a shed, yep, with a special toilet, fully decorated. [laughs] [Ingrid] Did it have any names on it
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or..? [Suzanne] No, no, no, no. [Ingrid] Signs it was for your use only? [Suzanne] Oh everyone knew it was just for me yeah, that wasn't a problem. or..? [Suzanne] No, no, no, no. [Ingrid] Signs it was for your use only? [Suzanne] Oh everyone knew it was just for me yeah, that wasn't a problem.
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Were there any other concessions made for you as a female? [Suzanne] I don't believe so, not really, no, I had to do Were there any other concessions made for you as a female? [Suzanne] I don't believe so, not really, no, I had to do
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slushie duty and I mean, I wanted to. I did everything the same as everybody else. I know slushie duty and I mean, I wanted to. I did everything the same as everybody else. I know
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when I wanted to do a bit of work in the Carpenter's shop, the Carpenter was when I wanted to do a bit of work in the Carpenter's shop, the Carpenter was
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a bit worried at first about me going in because of all the girly pictures in there a bit worried at first about me going in because of all the girly pictures in there
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but my dad had had but my dad had had
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a factory in America [laughs] probably in the ...you know I'd seen girly pictures from an early [laughs] a factory in America [laughs] probably in the ...you know I'd seen girly pictures from an early [laughs]
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age so that didn't really worry me. [Ingrid] What did your research program. age so that didn't really worry me. [Ingrid] What did your research program.
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within it.? What was your program when you were down at Mawson? [Suzanne] Uh, it was basically taking the soundings. So it was going out within it.? What was your program when you were down at Mawson? [Suzanne] Uh, it was basically taking the soundings. So it was going out
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whenever you could, when the weather was good to take, take soundings. [Ingrid] So can you walk whenever you could, when the weather was good to take, take soundings. [Ingrid] So can you walk
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me through how you would do that? [Suzanne] Well we got, [Ingrid] What sort of equipment you would use? [Suzanne] We got, of course the equipment was fairly basic compared me through how you would do that? [Suzanne] Well we got, [Ingrid] What sort of equipment you would use? [Suzanne] We got, of course the equipment was fairly basic compared
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to nowadays. So it was a, a er echo-sounder in to nowadays. So it was a, a er echo-sounder in
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a LARC and you you took sites on and did um transects across an area a LARC and you you took sites on and did um transects across an area
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and taking soundings all the way and then you'd come back and plot up where the depths and taking soundings all the way and then you'd come back and plot up where the depths
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were so that you could then make a, make a chart. [Ingrid] And what sort of depths were we talking about? [Suzanne] Oh, I can't were so that you could then make a, make a chart. [Ingrid] And what sort of depths were we talking about? [Suzanne] Oh, I can't
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remember what what they were. No. [Ingrid] And, when you went out um would you go? remember what what they were. No. [Ingrid] And, when you went out um would you go?
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Yes, yeah there was always a group, so someone driving the LARC and yeah Yes, yeah there was always a group, so someone driving the LARC and yeah
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a couple of people helping taking the sites and marking off the depth recorder mm. [Ingrid] Having a couple of people helping taking the sites and marking off the depth recorder mm. [Ingrid] Having
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talked to some of the guys who went down there in the early years I know there's quite a treasure trove of things at the bottom at Mawson. talked to some of the guys who went down there in the early years I know there's quite a treasure trove of things at the bottom at Mawson.
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Did you ever come across any Did you ever come across any
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of the motorbikes, Volkswagen's? [Suzanne] No, we were out of the harbour actually, we were out round the, round of the motorbikes, Volkswagen's? [Suzanne] No, we were out of the harbour actually, we were out round the, round
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the coastline a bit so yeah, no, we missed out on all the [Ingrid] Exciting toys [Suzanne] exciting toys the coastline a bit so yeah, no, we missed out on all the [Ingrid] Exciting toys [Suzanne] exciting toys
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that are there. [Ingrid] So what was your impression of Mawson Station? [Suzanne] Oh, I thought it was fantastic you know that are there. [Ingrid] So what was your impression of Mawson Station? [Suzanne] Oh, I thought it was fantastic you know
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it was just a beautiful horseshoe harbour with the Mountains that you can see in the back it was just a beautiful horseshoe harbour with the Mountains that you can see in the back
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and I was lucky enough to go on a dog trip, or and I was lucky enough to go on a dog trip, or
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a couple of dog trips, and that was really special, yeah, I really enjoyed that because I a couple of dog trips, and that was really special, yeah, I really enjoyed that because I
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like dogs. [Ingrid] Yeah? [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah. [Ingrid] So tell me a little about the dog trips? [Suzanne] So well we only went out to Rumdoodle which wasn't like dogs. [Ingrid] Yeah? [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah. [Ingrid] So tell me a little about the dog trips? [Suzanne] So well we only went out to Rumdoodle which wasn't
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very far but just the uncanny way the dogs knew exactly where to go 'n' their very far but just the uncanny way the dogs knew exactly where to go 'n' their
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enthusiam for they're [laughs] pulling the sled and us at times having to run along the enthusiam for they're [laughs] pulling the sled and us at times having to run along the
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side and yeah, it was just phenomenal. [Ingrid] Did you? [Suzanne] And then as soon as the they stopped side and yeah, it was just phenomenal. [Ingrid] Did you? [Suzanne] And then as soon as the they stopped
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I remember they told me, because one of the people who was on this particular trip I remember they told me, because one of the people who was on this particular trip
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was was
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the Russian and his English wasn't all that good and he wasn't all that big, and strong, they said 'oh the Russian and his English wasn't all that good and he wasn't all that big, and strong, they said 'oh
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as soon as the dogs stop, you have to get in and whack them, so that they don't all fight as soon as the dogs stop, you have to get in and whack them, so that they don't all fight
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before we tie them all down'. I thought 'oh my goodness I'll get bitten' but I can still see my hand before we tie them all down'. I thought 'oh my goodness I'll get bitten' but I can still see my hand
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going in, and you know, and I've never slapped a dog in my life, slapping these dogs to stop them going in, and you know, and I've never slapped a dog in my life, slapping these dogs to stop them
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from killing each other, and you see these fangs darting around and they never even from killing each other, and you see these fangs darting around and they never even
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came close to touching you. They knew exactly where you were and it was yeah, amazing. came close to touching you. They knew exactly where you were and it was yeah, amazing.
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Did you have the opportunity to stay out in the field, in the field huts? [Suzanne] Yeah, yes, yes, we stayed at Rumdoodle for a Did you have the opportunity to stay out in the field, in the field huts? [Suzanne] Yeah, yes, yes, we stayed at Rumdoodle for a
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a few nights, and I remember one night a couple of the dogs were howling and we went out to a few nights, and I remember one night a couple of the dogs were howling and we went out to
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see what was going on, and we saw a fantastic Aurora So see what was going on, and we saw a fantastic Aurora So
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we can thank the dogs for that. [laughs] [Ingrid] And you would've shared the bathroom facilities? [Suzanne] [both laughing] Oh yes, yes that's right. we can thank the dogs for that. [laughs] [Ingrid] And you would've shared the bathroom facilities? [Suzanne] [both laughing] Oh yes, yes that's right.
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[Ingrid] the qualms of it? [Suzanne] Yeah it's exactly. [Ingrid] Did you have any other roles on the station? Besides helping with the dogs? [Suzanne] Ah, um [Ingrid] the qualms of it? [Suzanne] Yeah it's exactly. [Ingrid] Did you have any other roles on the station? Besides helping with the dogs? [Suzanne] Ah, um
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[Ingrid] Any Slushie? [Suzanne] Yeah, I tried to do [Ingrid] Any Slushie? [Suzanne] Yeah, I tried to do
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a few things, ex-extra things, like one night I valiantly said I would cook, whoo! whoo! a few things, ex-extra things, like one night I valiantly said I would cook, whoo! whoo!
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That was That was
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a challenge. I remember making um rack of lamb and I wanted to make those little paper a challenge. I remember making um rack of lamb and I wanted to make those little paper
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the curls you used to do in the '80's to put on each of the little ends of the the curls you used to do in the '80's to put on each of the little ends of the
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the chops so whoa that was, that was a big occurrence and I also helped to bake the bread the chops so whoa that was, that was a big occurrence and I also helped to bake the bread
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a bit because I was interested in looking at all different aspects of things like a bit because I was interested in looking at all different aspects of things like
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looking at the ah, the science that the scientists were doing of all sorts, and yeah looking at the ah, the science that the scientists were doing of all sorts, and yeah
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Hospital, yeah, yeah helping with the-the food... yeah Hospital, yeah, yeah helping with the-the food... yeah
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in stores, etcetera. [Ingrid] Did you take down any special projects? [Suzanne] Um, I think I did a bit.. in stores, etcetera. [Ingrid] Did you take down any special projects? [Suzanne] Um, I think I did a bit..
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Want me to move her? [referring to the barking dog]. Okay. [whispering] Shh be quiet. [Ingrid] The dog's just outside the window Want me to move her? [referring to the barking dog]. Okay. [whispering] Shh be quiet. [Ingrid] The dog's just outside the window
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Captain Granholm on Thala Dan, would you believe, taught me Danish cross-stich Captain Granholm on Thala Dan, would you believe, taught me Danish cross-stich
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because because
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a lot of ship's Captains are very keen on cross-stitch, so I got quite keen on Danish a lot of ship's Captains are very keen on cross-stitch, so I got quite keen on Danish
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cross-stitch, and I still do a bit, so I took down cross-stitch, and I still do a bit, so I took down
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a project down in cross-stitch. [Ingrid] What did you do with the cross-stitch? [Suzanne] Ah, I did, I think I might have done that a project down in cross-stitch. [Ingrid] What did you do with the cross-stitch? [Suzanne] Ah, I did, I think I might have done that
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chickens that are over there, yeah, yeah, and then in the chippies workshop I made.. chickens that are over there, yeah, yeah, and then in the chippies workshop I made..
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I've never been one for playing cards but people were quite keen on cards so it I've never been one for playing cards but people were quite keen on cards so it
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was was
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Crib, so yeah, I decided I'd make a Crib board. So I made a Crib board. [Ingrid] And do Crib, so yeah, I decided I'd make a Crib board. So I made a Crib board. [Ingrid] And do
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you still have that? [Suzanne] Yeah, I still have that yeah, yeah. [Ingrid] Okay [Suzanne] I still don't play Crib, but I've got the Crib board and I, you still have that? [Suzanne] Yeah, I still have that yeah, yeah. [Ingrid] Okay [Suzanne] I still don't play Crib, but I've got the Crib board and I,
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it's got it's got
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a little um copper thing in the corner where I sort of engraved 'Made at Mawson'. [Ingrid] So what a little um copper thing in the corner where I sort of engraved 'Made at Mawson'. [Ingrid] So what
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other things did you do in your own time? [Suzanne] Uh, I liked watching-going to the movie nights other things did you do in your own time? [Suzanne] Uh, I liked watching-going to the movie nights
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and, yeah I'd made those things, I think I made a couple other things too. I think I made a and, yeah I'd made those things, I think I made a couple other things too. I think I made a
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the tapestry loom or something like that as well so, yeah. There wasn't an awful lot of extra the tapestry loom or something like that as well so, yeah. There wasn't an awful lot of extra
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time, helped some other people, helped the station leader with his typing and er...yeah a few other time, helped some other people, helped the station leader with his typing and er...yeah a few other
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Oh, I remember one night, quite late at night the incoming Station Leader who hadn't Oh, I remember one night, quite late at night the incoming Station Leader who hadn't
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yet taken over came to me in yet taken over came to me in
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a mad panic and he was trying to do some sewing on the sewing machine and he said 'oh can you a mad panic and he was trying to do some sewing on the sewing machine and he said 'oh can you
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you help me thread the needle?' Well I'm not that crash hot at sewing but I figured I could you help me thread the needle?' Well I'm not that crash hot at sewing but I figured I could
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probably thread the needle and he'd been trying for about 2 hours to...to thread the probably thread the needle and he'd been trying for about 2 hours to...to thread the
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needle. They didn't realize she had to turn the wheel and it went down and caught needle. They didn't realize she had to turn the wheel and it went down and caught
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the one from the bottom to get that to come out. [laughter] [Ingrid] And you worked it out? [laughter] [Suzanne] Oh, well I knew that much the one from the bottom to get that to come out. [laughter] [Ingrid] And you worked it out? [laughter] [Suzanne] Oh, well I knew that much
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Yes, so I was occasionally I was asked for some domestic assistance. [Ingrid] You mentioned before Yes, so I was occasionally I was asked for some domestic assistance. [Ingrid] You mentioned before
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that you've been married just before you went down South? [Suzanne] Yes, yes [Ingrid] How was it leaving your that you've been married just before you went down South? [Suzanne] Yes, yes [Ingrid] How was it leaving your
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partner back in Hobart, to go down South? [Suzanne] Oh, well I, I mean this was a trip of partner back in Hobart, to go down South? [Suzanne] Oh, well I, I mean this was a trip of
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a lifetime, and er Martin had been away on-on other trips so yeah we were used to a lifetime, and er Martin had been away on-on other trips so yeah we were used to
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just sort of coming and going, yes, so I think you only got home about 4 days before we were just sort of coming and going, yes, so I think you only got home about 4 days before we were
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married anyway so [laughs] it was just, yeah, and he encouraged me to go, so.. [Ingrid] And did you celebrate married anyway so [laughs] it was just, yeah, and he encouraged me to go, so.. [Ingrid] And did you celebrate
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your first anniversary in a particular way? [Suzanne] Yes, we had a your first anniversary in a particular way? [Suzanne] Yes, we had a
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a barbecue down South, and um, one of the Russian Scientists gave me a barbecue down South, and um, one of the Russian Scientists gave me
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a lovely pair of Rabbit lined gloves, as an Anniversary gift so that was nice [laughs] a lovely pair of Rabbit lined gloves, as an Anniversary gift so that was nice [laughs]
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[Ingrid] That's lovely actually. [laughter] So since coming back from Mawson, did you ever want to [Ingrid] That's lovely actually. [laughter] So since coming back from Mawson, did you ever want to
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go down in Summer again? or Winter? [Suzanne] Uhm [Ingrid] Or did that opportunity [Suzanne] See the opportunity didn't really go down in Summer again? or Winter? [Suzanne] Uhm [Ingrid] Or did that opportunity [Suzanne] See the opportunity didn't really
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present itself, no, and but then I sort of a bit, had my eye a bit on present itself, no, and but then I sort of a bit, had my eye a bit on
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On becoming involved in Voyage management too, so that was quite good because I could go On becoming involved in Voyage management too, so that was quite good because I could go
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down for the manageable lengths of time because I've always had interests in horses and down for the manageable lengths of time because I've always had interests in horses and
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it's hard to leave them for it's hard to leave them for
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a long time so.. [Ingrid] So how did you make that transition across from the Geographical Research Officer into management? [Suzanne] Oh, I a long time so.. [Ingrid] So how did you make that transition across from the Geographical Research Officer into management? [Suzanne] Oh, I
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still kept that job but the Voyage management just an extra that still kept that job but the Voyage management just an extra that
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you do from time to time so, ah, on one of the voyages I helped out really, I you do from time to time so, ah, on one of the voyages I helped out really, I
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was never an official voyage management trainee but I just helped out with was never an official voyage management trainee but I just helped out with
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with the voyage and then not long afterwards, or the next year I think, they said I could with the voyage and then not long afterwards, or the next year I think, they said I could
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be a Deputy Voyage Leader and then a couple of times I guess, I did reasonable sort be a Deputy Voyage Leader and then a couple of times I guess, I did reasonable sort
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of job with that before I knew it I was Voyage Leader. [Ingrid] Did you have any memorable events? of job with that before I knew it I was Voyage Leader. [Ingrid] Did you have any memorable events?
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while you were the DVL [Deputy Voyage Leader] or VL [Voyage Leader]? [Suzanne] Uhh... while you were the DVL [Deputy Voyage Leader] or VL [Voyage Leader]? [Suzanne] Uhh...
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gosh probably gosh probably
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a lot of them, not many that I could probably tell on tape. [laughs] [Ingrid] The LARC story might be a lot of them, not many that I could probably tell on tape. [laughs] [Ingrid] The LARC story might be
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Above board? [Suzanne] Yeah, Oh we yeah, just trying to, I mean probably one of my Above board? [Suzanne] Yeah, Oh we yeah, just trying to, I mean probably one of my
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favourite voyages, no one can really understand that, was when I did the SAZ cruise. favourite voyages, no one can really understand that, was when I did the SAZ cruise.
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So it was it was the Sub Antarctic Zone, so we were going on on So it was it was the Sub Antarctic Zone, so we were going on on
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Aurora and then the CSIRO were going on their, their ship at the same time Aurora and then the CSIRO were going on their, their ship at the same time
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and we never wen- we didn't ever get to land, so it was, you know, a study of the ocean and we never wen- we didn't ever get to land, so it was, you know, a study of the ocean
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basically. As I said people could never understand that you really like that one but basically. As I said people could never understand that you really like that one but
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everyone that was on the ship were really really wanted to be on the ship because it everyone that was on the ship were really really wanted to be on the ship because it
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was, that was the program, and at times we had to be in one spot for 5 days. Well was, that was the program, and at times we had to be in one spot for 5 days. Well
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the ocean doesn't change much but exactly the same spot for 5 days. So I really, I really the ocean doesn't change much but exactly the same spot for 5 days. So I really, I really
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enjoyed it but by the same token it was probably one of my loneliest voyages enjoyed it but by the same token it was probably one of my loneliest voyages
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because all the people were international Marine Scientists which obviously I knew because all the people were international Marine Scientists which obviously I knew
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and had read up and had read up
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a lot about their programs but I couldn't talk about it in depth and they were a lot about their programs but I couldn't talk about it in depth and they were
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most them hadn't met each other before but it corresponded or seen each other most them hadn't met each other before but it corresponded or seen each other
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occasional conferences so every meal time was just occasional conferences so every meal time was just
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a constant excited buzz of what they were working on with carbon 14 or Iron or whatever a constant excited buzz of what they were working on with carbon 14 or Iron or whatever
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so I could hardly say to them 'oh excuse me, where do you go on your holidays?' or 'do you have so I could hardly say to them 'oh excuse me, where do you go on your holidays?' or 'do you have
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a dog?' or.. [laughs] but as I said, its still one of my favourite favourite ones. [Ingrid] So what was a dog?' or.. [laughs] but as I said, its still one of my favourite favourite ones. [Ingrid] So what was
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your role as the Voyage Leader? [Suzanne] Uh, co-ordinating all the programs. Probably the hardest your role as the Voyage Leader? [Suzanne] Uh, co-ordinating all the programs. Probably the hardest
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thing was when we put down the, ah, the CTDs to.. and they would..[Ingrid] CTDs thing was when we put down the, ah, the CTDs to.. and they would..[Ingrid] CTDs
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[Ingrid] that's a ? [Suzanne] that's a good.. this huge gadget that takes um conductivity temperature and [Ingrid] that's a ? [Suzanne] that's a good.. this huge gadget that takes um conductivity temperature and
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depth and then takes water samples at different depths and so some of them were depth and then takes water samples at different depths and so some of them were
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very big depths and they uh - trip-trip very big depths and they uh - trip-trip
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the lever and get-get water at different depths so... there's the lever and get-get water at different depths so... there's
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a limited amount of water in the bottle and a limited amount of water in the bottle and
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a lot of people wanting the water so I decided that I would get the Voyage Dr to be a lot of people wanting the water so I decided that I would get the Voyage Dr to be
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the water policeman. That was the trickiest thing because some people rinse out the water policeman. That was the trickiest thing because some people rinse out
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their test tube in.. you're not using much water and other people rinse out their test their test tube in.. you're not using much water and other people rinse out their test
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tube using tube using
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a lot of water. So, yeah that was probably the most difficult moment on the trip was a lot of water. So, yeah that was probably the most difficult moment on the trip was
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sorting that out, yep. Then another time um, Aurora broke down, on sorting that out, yep. Then another time um, Aurora broke down, on
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a different voyage, that was a different voyage, that was
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a challenge. It was the voyage after the fire voyage, so. It was the first one and there was a challenge. It was the voyage after the fire voyage, so. It was the first one and there was
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a lot of interest of course in the voyage because the ship had been out of a lot of interest of course in the voyage because the ship had been out of
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commission for quite a long time and then um...[Ingrid] What actually happened to the Aurora? [Suzanne] After we commission for quite a long time and then um...[Ingrid] What actually happened to the Aurora? [Suzanne] After we
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Well the,.. link between the gears broke such that we couldn't go Well the,.. link between the gears broke such that we couldn't go
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forward or backwards. We were stuck, obviously, and we had to get the forward or backwards. We were stuck, obviously, and we had to get the
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Japanese to come and tow us, so that was interesting for.., because for about Japanese to come and tow us, so that was interesting for.., because for about
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a week we had, were just drifting, essentially, and er yeah, trying to a week we had, were just drifting, essentially, and er yeah, trying to
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keep people amused.. [Ingrid] How do you do that on a ship? [Suzanne] and er, trying to keep people from not being worried and people's keep people amused.. [Ingrid] How do you do that on a ship? [Suzanne] and er, trying to keep people from not being worried and people's
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families from not being worried etcetera. Well we had families from not being worried etcetera. Well we had
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a lot of different things going on. We had a lot of different things going on. We had
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a very gorgeous young female Japanese Scientist, and with some embarrassment I went a very gorgeous young female Japanese Scientist, and with some embarrassment I went
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up to her and said 'Excuse me, do you, do you know to, to make up to her and said 'Excuse me, do you, do you know to, to make
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Origami? I mean it's a bit like asking Origami? I mean it's a bit like asking
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Australian if can fly a boo-, you know, throw a boomerang there you are, I'd try. 'Oh yeah' Australian if can fly a boo-, you know, throw a boomerang there you are, I'd try. 'Oh yeah'
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she thought she could, and she could do some Japanese lessons, so she'd do origami she thought she could, and she could do some Japanese lessons, so she'd do origami
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in the morning and then she'd do Japanese, and she was quite an artist so she drew some in the morning and then she'd do Japanese, and she was quite an artist so she drew some
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big posters of people and cut out pictures of people's facial features so we did big posters of people and cut out pictures of people's facial features so we did
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sort of like sort of like
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a Japanese version of pin the tail of the donkey but it was, you know, you were a Japanese version of pin the tail of the donkey but it was, you know, you were
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blindfolded and you had to put the people's eyes in the right place and we learnt blindfolded and you had to put the people's eyes in the right place and we learnt
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some Japanese and then there was someone, and she was very proper and gorgeous and some Japanese and then there was someone, and she was very proper and gorgeous and
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and then there was and then there was
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a fellow from...uh South America and he was teaching Spanish except he had a fellow from...uh South America and he was teaching Spanish except he had
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a different approach, it was teaching people 'more beer' or... Yeah, so we did that. We even did a different approach, it was teaching people 'more beer' or... Yeah, so we did that. We even did
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some, quiz nights and yoga, um, we even did some jump rope. We some, quiz nights and yoga, um, we even did some jump rope. We
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got someone to e-mail us jump rope jingles. It's amazing how you get all these grown got someone to e-mail us jump rope jingles. It's amazing how you get all these grown
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men who still could do it, because we want to keep people fit. So we encouraged them to use the men who still could do it, because we want to keep people fit. So we encouraged them to use the
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gym a lot so.. [Ingrid] So were these ideas coming from gym a lot so.. [Ingrid] So were these ideas coming from
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the Voyage Management Team on the ship? [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah [Ingrid] Or were they coming from the Division? [Suzanne] No, no, no they're from us the Voyage Management Team on the ship? [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah [Ingrid] Or were they coming from the Division? [Suzanne] No, no, no they're from us
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because we had to realize, you know, what people wanted and we didn't keep a eye everywhere because we had to realize, you know, what people wanted and we didn't keep a eye everywhere
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we want to make sure everyone was keeping reasonably busy and active. Yes. You [Ingrid] Er, good. we want to make sure everyone was keeping reasonably busy and active. Yes. You [Ingrid] Er, good.
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Any other voyages of note? [Suzanne] Um, [pause] I can't think of anything Any other voyages of note? [Suzanne] Um, [pause] I can't think of anything
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offhand of note, I mean the really busy ones were really particularly busy one to offhand of note, I mean the really busy ones were really particularly busy one to
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Macquarie Island where I think we had the most number of Scientists we'd ever we've Macquarie Island where I think we had the most number of Scientists we'd ever we've
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ever had, so that was that was a bit of ever had, so that was that was a bit of
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a challenge. And then we also had the Governor of Tasmania on board. [Ingrid] Sir Guy Green? [Suzanne] Yes a challenge. And then we also had the Governor of Tasmania on board. [Ingrid] Sir Guy Green? [Suzanne] Yes
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Sir Guy Green. [Ingrid] He still talks about it. [Suzanne] Uh hmm, uh hmm, and that was a great voyage and he kindly put on Sir Guy Green. [Ingrid] He still talks about it. [Suzanne] Uh hmm, uh hmm, and that was a great voyage and he kindly put on
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a special dinner for everyone, brought down all the food, cryovaced, and we had a special dinner for everyone, brought down all the food, cryovaced, and we had
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a dinner, we all got dressed up so that was rather nice. Yes and he did a dinner, we all got dressed up so that was rather nice. Yes and he did
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a good job. He went out walking around the island for the whole time we were at a good job. He went out walking around the island for the whole time we were at
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Macquarie so..[Ingrid] How long were you at Macquarie for? [Suzanne] Oh, probably 5 or 6 days but still he went out. Yeah Macquarie so..[Ingrid] How long were you at Macquarie for? [Suzanne] Oh, probably 5 or 6 days but still he went out. Yeah
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So one of your roles um, was also to co-ordinate the unloading of the ships. [Suzanne] Uh hmm [Ingrid] How did that o- [missing word?] So one of your roles um, was also to co-ordinate the unloading of the ships. [Suzanne] Uh hmm [Ingrid] How did that o- [missing word?]
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given that there's - there's often quite given that there's - there's often quite
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a bit of infrastructure and co-ordination with that role I'd imagine? [Suzanne] Yes, well it's a bit of infrastructure and co-ordination with that role I'd imagine? [Suzanne] Yes, well it's
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all, it's all planned, planned out pretty carefully. You planned it out with the ship's crew all, it's all planned, planned out pretty carefully. You planned it out with the ship's crew
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and with the er, Station Leader, so yeah it's and with the er, Station Leader, so yeah it's
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it's it's
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a complicated job though, trying to work out, how you're going to get all the cargo off at the a complicated job though, trying to work out, how you're going to get all the cargo off at the
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in the right order and of course the um, fuel pumping's always, that's always an anxious in the right order and of course the um, fuel pumping's always, that's always an anxious
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time, always very relieved when the fuel pumping's over with. [Ingrid] Okay, can you recall time, always very relieved when the fuel pumping's over with. [Ingrid] Okay, can you recall
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recall any incidents you had with loading or unloading goods? recall any incidents you had with loading or unloading goods?
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Well there was one time when some pieces of heavy machinery went onto Well there was one time when some pieces of heavy machinery went onto
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a LARC at Mawson and er it was a LARC at Mawson and er it was
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a bit too heavy for the LARK and it sank, so that was, that was a bit too heavy for the LARK and it sank, so that was, that was
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a bit of an adventure but fortunately we had an expeditioner who was extremely a bit of an adventure but fortunately we had an expeditioner who was extremely
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experienced in diving and so he managed to go down and get a um, a clip on it and we experienced in diving and so he managed to go down and get a um, a clip on it and we
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winched it up to the surface, yeah. [Ingrid] Did you have winched it up to the surface, yeah. [Ingrid] Did you have
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difficulties with ever not being able to get everything off that you wanted to? [Suzanne] Oh no, I think eventually we'd get difficulties with ever not being able to get everything off that you wanted to? [Suzanne] Oh no, I think eventually we'd get
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everything off, yeah. I mean you have to be pretty flexible and look ahead and always everything off, yeah. I mean you have to be pretty flexible and look ahead and always
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one eye over your shoulder at the weather, and yeah, working long hours but, yeah one eye over your shoulder at the weather, and yeah, working long hours but, yeah
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and then back-loading too. You have to be very conscious about when you can start to and then back-loading too. You have to be very conscious about when you can start to
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back-load so that you're maximizing your efficiency so that you've got, yeah some back-load so that you're maximizing your efficiency so that you've got, yeah some
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at at
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a certain point you can get things coming back. [Ingrid] So how many people were in the voyage management team? a certain point you can get things coming back. [Ingrid] So how many people were in the voyage management team?
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team on the ships? [Suzanne] Uh,...2 to 3. On big trips we have a team on the ships? [Suzanne] Uh,...2 to 3. On big trips we have a
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a Cargo Master and then there'd be the Voyage Leader and the Voyage Deputy or sometimes there'd be a Cargo Master and then there'd be the Voyage Leader and the Voyage Deputy or sometimes there'd be
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a trainee deputy as well. [Ingrid] Did you have a say which voyages you would get to go down on? a trainee deputy as well. [Ingrid] Did you have a say which voyages you would get to go down on?
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To a certain extent, yeah to To a certain extent, yeah to
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a certain extent you'd put in what you wanted mm. [Ingrid] So looking back now, you know, it's a certain extent you'd put in what you wanted mm. [Ingrid] So looking back now, you know, it's
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some 30 years since you went down to the Antarctic, in what way did that alter your life or sort of alter the path? some 30 years since you went down to the Antarctic, in what way did that alter your life or sort of alter the path?
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Whoa, well I'd say it majorly did really, one moment I was Whoa, well I'd say it majorly did really, one moment I was
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a Town Planner, the next minute I was in the Antarctic, met my husband, [laughs] moved to a Town Planner, the next minute I was in the Antarctic, met my husband, [laughs] moved to
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Tasmania, well I couldn't get many more er alterations in your life than that. Took on Tasmania, well I couldn't get many more er alterations in your life than that. Took on
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different major responsibilities than I would have ever, probably would've ever had in any different major responsibilities than I would have ever, probably would've ever had in any
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other job, met people from all walks of life and all nationalities. other job, met people from all walks of life and all nationalities.
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Yeah it's had Yeah it's had
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a huge huge effect on my life. [Ingrid] Would you ever go back down again? [Suzanne] Oh, I'd quite like to go down a huge huge effect on my life. [Ingrid] Would you ever go back down again? [Suzanne] Oh, I'd quite like to go down
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again but er..I've had again but er..I've had
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a lot of trips down there so a lot of trips down there so
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a lot of other places to visit as well so. [Ingrid] Is there anything else you'd like to add? a lot of other places to visit as well so. [Ingrid] Is there anything else you'd like to add?
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Oh, I'd just like to say, you know, the that I guess, 2 biggest changes I've seen Oh, I'd just like to say, you know, the that I guess, 2 biggest changes I've seen
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through the Antarctic were, one, the role of women because there weren't very many in through the Antarctic were, one, the role of women because there weren't very many in
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the, in the beginning at all and now there are quite the, in the beginning at all and now there are quite
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a few and it's just accepted as being part of Antarctic life, and the other a few and it's just accepted as being part of Antarctic life, and the other
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was communications which probably everyone you talk to talks about this but I can was communications which probably everyone you talk to talks about this but I can
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remember, back in Melbourne days there was a sked? [schedule?] on remember, back in Melbourne days there was a sked? [schedule?] on
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a Thursday at 12 o'clock or something with the stations and that was virtually only a Thursday at 12 o'clock or something with the stations and that was virtually only
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the time they talked of by Radio Sched[ule] and you'd line up along the corridor if you the time they talked of by Radio Sched[ule] and you'd line up along the corridor if you
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wanted to talk to people and they'd shuffle you if who was the most important down to wanted to talk to people and they'd shuffle you if who was the most important down to
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who was the least important and then you'd have your, your few minutes of asking them who was the least important and then you'd have your, your few minutes of asking them
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for their Map Orders or whatever you would, you know, you happened to talk to them for their Map Orders or whatever you would, you know, you happened to talk to them
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about and then, yeah, and if the Comm's [Communications] were bad we didn't talk to them for another about and then, yeah, and if the Comm's [Communications] were bad we didn't talk to them for another
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week and then until when I left the Division you just tap in 3 numbers on your phone week and then until when I left the Division you just tap in 3 numbers on your phone
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and there you'd be in the station, and also when first when you'd leave on and there you'd be in the station, and also when first when you'd leave on
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a voyage well you just leave and get a voyage well you just leave and get
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a few odd messages, you know, to the more recent, with emails a couple of times a few odd messages, you know, to the more recent, with emails a couple of times
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a day, and yeah, lots of communications, it's just amazing. [Ingrid] Getting back to the change a day, and yeah, lots of communications, it's just amazing. [Ingrid] Getting back to the change
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females or the number of females going down South, you were one of the earlier females to go down South females or the number of females going down South, you were one of the earlier females to go down South
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South and then later you're in a role a very powerful role as Voyage Leader, did you have South and then later you're in a role a very powerful role as Voyage Leader, did you have
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feel protective or keep an eye out for women who were then going down South? [Suzanne] Oh yes, I think I gave feel protective or keep an eye out for women who were then going down South? [Suzanne] Oh yes, I think I gave
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some of them a bit of advice, you know, the one some of them a bit of advice, you know, the one
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about, that you would be sort of observed a bit and just, you know act about, that you would be sort of observed a bit and just, you know act
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I mean some yeah, just act well, [laughs a bit] yeah, treat the expeditioners as I mean some yeah, just act well, [laughs a bit] yeah, treat the expeditioners as
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your brothers. I mean obviously relationships develop, I don't have your brothers. I mean obviously relationships develop, I don't have
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a problem with that after all I've got a problem with that after all I've got
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a husband. But yeah, you just, have to treat everyone with respect. a husband. But yeah, you just, have to treat everyone with respect.
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Speaking as a Speaking as a
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female who went down in 1998 with you as my Voyage Leader [laughter] I could say, I certainly very female who went down in 1998 with you as my Voyage Leader [laughter] I could say, I certainly very
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much appreciate your advice. [Suzanne] Okay, [Ingrid] I can still remember you much appreciate your advice. [Suzanne] Okay, [Ingrid] I can still remember you
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back then, [laughs] [Suzanne] Oh well, there you go. [Ingrid] And also it wasn't just that um you were female back then, [laughs] [Suzanne] Oh well, there you go. [Ingrid] And also it wasn't just that um you were female
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in your role, irregardless of being female. I think that I realised.. [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah well that's what how I like to think of myself I guess as in your role, irregardless of being female. I think that I realised.. [Suzanne] Yeah, yeah well that's what how I like to think of myself I guess as
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being. [Ingrid] Cool, a good note to finish on.[Suzanne] Okay. being. [Ingrid] Cool, a good note to finish on.[Suzanne] Okay.