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I'm Ingrid McGaughey and I'm just having a I'm Ingrid McGaughey and I'm just having a
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a talk wit Richard McNair, who was the Chef at Heard '53, Mawson '55 a talk wit Richard McNair, who was the Chef at Heard '53, Mawson '55
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and Macca 62, but he also worked done on the Discovery. This was Discovery 2 with the British? [Dick] Yes [Ingrid] Before he went and Macca 62, but he also worked done on the Discovery. This was Discovery 2 with the British? [Dick] Yes [Ingrid] Before he went
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down South. So Richard how did you get onto the Discovery what made you go down South? down South. So Richard how did you get onto the Discovery what made you go down South?
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I'll start without coming back, I was up in North Queensland working at the hospital I'll start without coming back, I was up in North Queensland working at the hospital
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in Concurry and while there being in Concurry and while there being
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a big sheep shearing place, I got conned into it a big sheep shearing place, I got conned into it
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a shearing shed for 12 weeks and while there er we're isolated there's only the a shearing shed for 12 weeks and while there er we're isolated there's only the
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Flying Doctor way out with a peddle radio, and somebody picked up a paper Flying Doctor way out with a peddle radio, and somebody picked up a paper
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a paper somehow and got it there and they're reading about the Discovery being in Sydney desperate a paper somehow and got it there and they're reading about the Discovery being in Sydney desperate
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for a Cook because they can't leave without a for a Cook because they can't leave without a
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a Cook so um I said aw that might be a a Cook so um I said aw that might be a
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a good job and I was joking because I was doing pretty well as a good job and I was joking because I was doing pretty well as
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a cook in the North any rate somebody sent off a thing that there's a a cook in the North any rate somebody sent off a thing that there's a
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a Cook interested in your proposition and of course back comes a Cook interested in your proposition and of course back comes
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the Telegram 'Proceed to Sydney for an interview,' er by the Skipper. the Telegram 'Proceed to Sydney for an interview,' er by the Skipper.
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Garden Island er all expenses paid. So I go down Garden Island er all expenses paid. So I go down
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and er arrive in Sydney and told told, er I got the and er arrive in Sydney and told told, er I got the
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job to report down to the Naval Depot and I go down to the Naval Depot job to report down to the Naval Depot and I go down to the Naval Depot
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depot and thinking I'm only going to be a poor ole Sailor any rate they dress me up and depot and thinking I'm only going to be a poor ole Sailor any rate they dress me up and
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up in up in
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a Chief Petty Officers thing. [Ingrid] Quick promotion? [laughs] [Richard] There I ended up through shearers and a Chief Petty Officers thing. [Ingrid] Quick promotion? [laughs] [Richard] There I ended up through shearers and
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and that mucking around on the Discovery [Ingrid] So how long were you on and that mucking around on the Discovery [Ingrid] So how long were you on
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the Discovery for? [Richard] Just on the Discovery for? [Richard] Just on
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a bit over 12 months. [Ingrid] And then how did you come to move from the Discovery onto Heard Island? a bit over 12 months. [Ingrid] And then how did you come to move from the Discovery onto Heard Island?
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Anore? to ANARI [Richard] Well I didn't come back to Australia because the British government sent me Anore? to ANARI [Richard] Well I didn't come back to Australia because the British government sent me
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I had Agreements with them that they'd send me back and I already spoke with them I had Agreements with them that they'd send me back and I already spoke with them
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with Phil Law and he said if I was ever in Melbourne. To come and see him with Phil Law and he said if I was ever in Melbourne. To come and see him
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because Tim Healey had told him he just had because Tim Healey had told him he just had
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a good trip with him [Ingrid] Mmm [Richard] and er so when I come back I just was in Melbourne I thought a good trip with him [Ingrid] Mmm [Richard] and er so when I come back I just was in Melbourne I thought
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oh I can see Phil and er he said Oh yes oh I can see Phil and er he said Oh yes
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he said we've got our thing for this what do you? I said that's Ok I said I've he said we've got our thing for this what do you? I said that's Ok I said I've
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already got a job you've going to get yourself [myself?] educated out at the already got a job you've going to get yourself [myself?] educated out at the
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a Bluestone College and er any rate I was there get a Bluestone College and er any rate I was there get
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a thing from him to say well if I'm still interested in going there's a a thing from him to say well if I'm still interested in going there's a
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the job at Heard Island for me [Ingrid] Did you have to have an interview with him or a meet? [Richard] I had an interview with him the job at Heard Island for me [Ingrid] Did you have to have an interview with him or a meet? [Richard] I had an interview with him
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before I went to England in Perth, and when I come back I had another one before I went to England in Perth, and when I come back I had another one
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in... Collins Street I think it was [Ingrid] In Melbourne? in... Collins Street I think it was [Ingrid] In Melbourne?
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I had another one there with him, and that was it. I was signed up with him for I had another one there with him, and that was it. I was signed up with him for
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ANARI. [Ingrid] So what did you think of Phil Law? [Richard] Well I thought he was ANARI. [Ingrid] So what did you think of Phil Law? [Richard] Well I thought he was
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a very good man very energetic oh, God, you had to be good to keep up with him he kept himself fit a very good man very energetic oh, God, you had to be good to keep up with him he kept himself fit
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he's a fair man... if you done your job... you done he's a fair man... if you done your job... you done
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alright, don't do the job you didn't get anywhere with him. [Ingrid] Hmm, mm [Richard] But he was, he was alright, don't do the job you didn't get anywhere with him. [Ingrid] Hmm, mm [Richard] But he was, he was
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a good leader he never sat in an arm chair and told everybody what to do if he a good leader he never sat in an arm chair and told everybody what to do if he
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wasn't out there doing it well you didn't do it. He was always an out front and wasn't out there doing it well you didn't do it. He was always an out front and
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he used to be able to... he knew organization you know for what he he used to be able to... he knew organization you know for what he
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a teacher to what he come I think, phaw, he done well. [Ingrid] Did you keep up contact with him over a teacher to what he come I think, phaw, he done well. [Ingrid] Did you keep up contact with him over
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the years? [Richard] Yes, yes, yes, we um, I sent him the years? [Richard] Yes, yes, yes, we um, I sent him
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Telegrams and every time I would see him I'd always had a to talk to him always kept in contact Telegrams and every time I would see him I'd always had a to talk to him always kept in contact
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I could've kept going but I thought no going there cooking was a bit of a I could've kept going but I thought no going there cooking was a bit of a
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a waste of time but now, you go there you got everything you know you got a waste of time but now, you go there you got everything you know you got
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people to help you do everything. Virtually all you going down there is as a Cook people to help you do everything. Virtually all you going down there is as a Cook
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to Cook and you can do and probably to Cook and you can do and probably
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everything's better, you know, but I didn't want to do that everything's better, you know, but I didn't want to do that
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that because I was quite happy to, well after Macquarie Island I said, this is it I've got to move that because I was quite happy to, well after Macquarie Island I said, this is it I've got to move
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find a job and settle here otherwise you can be out on a limb if you keep going there find a job and settle here otherwise you can be out on a limb if you keep going there
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because you weren't permanent, see you're only, but under the law now if I worked because you weren't permanent, see you're only, but under the law now if I worked
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? for the government for so many years they've got to make, give me all the benefits you ? for the government for so many years they've got to make, give me all the benefits you
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get when you retire but anyway, I decided the Hospital field is my field get when you retire but anyway, I decided the Hospital field is my field
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so I went into hospitals. [Ingrid] So when did you get married? so I went into hospitals. [Ingrid] So when did you get married?
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'78, I think it was, there's a plate up there '78, I think it was, there's a plate up there
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[Ingrid] Relatively late. [Richard] Oh, yeah Freda's only 56. [Ingrid] So you didn't- so you didn't have [Ingrid] Relatively late. [Richard] Oh, yeah Freda's only 56. [Ingrid] So you didn't- so you didn't have
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a partner, a sweetheart when you were going to and from Macquarie or? [Richard] Oh, I had one floating around a partner, a sweetheart when you were going to and from Macquarie or? [Richard] Oh, I had one floating around
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somewhere [Ingrid] So had did you keep up contact with her? [Richard] Oh, the, we somewhere [Ingrid] So had did you keep up contact with her? [Richard] Oh, the, we
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used to, Heard Island, we used to send out er Telegrams I used to, Heard Island, we used to send out er Telegrams I
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think you, we got one a month if they could get them think you, we got one a month if they could get them
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out that was the biggest thing communications was virtually nil Mawson wasn't out that was the biggest thing communications was virtually nil Mawson wasn't
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much better, but Macquarie Island was a little much better, but Macquarie Island was a little
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a little bit it got out there, you know, we didn't have the tv a little bit it got out there, you know, we didn't have the tv
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that they got now, didn't have the telephones that you can ring up whenever you want to and pay you that they got now, didn't have the telephones that you can ring up whenever you want to and pay you
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know. Um,...That's all we had it was, especially Heard and Mawson and we were know. Um,...That's all we had it was, especially Heard and Mawson and we were
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very isolated. [Ingrid] Did you miss the communication with your family and friends? [Richard] Well, we very isolated. [Ingrid] Did you miss the communication with your family and friends? [Richard] Well, we
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we weren't communicating when I went to Heard Island. You Know,..hell, I was 51 I think I was we weren't communicating when I went to Heard Island. You Know,..hell, I was 51 I think I was
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52 just before I went and it fell apart you know so it's 52 just before I went and it fell apart you know so it's
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and I was going to be and I was going to be
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a bachelor for the rest of me life until I met my Carer body keep? a bachelor for the rest of me life until I met my Carer body keep?
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And er but up to that I didn't, see, I was And er but up to that I didn't, see, I was
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a loner ...oh well, cooking took took me everywhere and I blame it a lot of it and I couldn't settle a loner ...oh well, cooking took took me everywhere and I blame it a lot of it and I couldn't settle
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down I suppose I spent 2 years in the Air Force until they upset me and I upset them and down I suppose I spent 2 years in the Air Force until they upset me and I upset them and
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when we departed but then I come out spent 25 years with the when we departed but then I come out spent 25 years with the
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Army Reserve...In the hospital field in Victoria you've done well out of that because you Army Reserve...In the hospital field in Victoria you've done well out of that because you
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you got, you got, time off your, camps you had to do, then you got you got, you got, time off your, camps you had to do, then you got
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paid by the hospital and paid by the Army [Ingrid] Do you still keep up with paid by the hospital and paid by the Army [Ingrid] Do you still keep up with
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a lot of the expeditioners that you went down South with? [Richard] Only in the Winter time now a lot of the expeditioners that you went down South with? [Richard] Only in the Winter time now
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in the Winter time. Oh Fred Elliott, I see him every now and again in the Winter time. Oh Fred Elliott, I see him every now and again
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again. [Ingrid] Fred Elliott. [Richard] Yeah and I used to when Leon was hanging around Melbourne I was always again. [Ingrid] Fred Elliott. [Richard] Yeah and I used to when Leon was hanging around Melbourne I was always
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around tracking him down [Ingrid] It was Leon Jennings Fox wasn't it? [Richard] Yeah [Ingrid] Silver Fox [Richard] Yes, well he had a around tracking him down [Ingrid] It was Leon Jennings Fox wasn't it? [Richard] Yeah [Ingrid] Silver Fox [Richard] Yes, well he had a
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nice lady too and, who, I traced him down one time and he came back from nice lady too and, who, I traced him down one time and he came back from
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?where, but she was ?where, but she was
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a very sick, he was looking after her he was doing a good job too. And then she had to go into a home and then he went a very sick, he was looking after her he was doing a good job too. And then she had to go into a home and then he went
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went out on his own. Um, who was the other?...Oh, we had went out on his own. Um, who was the other?...Oh, we had
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a Frenchman from Heard Island, he used to live up here in Ferntree Gully I went up and a Frenchman from Heard Island, he used to live up here in Ferntree Gully I went up and
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seen him seen him
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a couple times. Other than that, Mid-winter's when you meet them. And they're growing a couple times. Other than that, Mid-winter's when you meet them. And they're growing
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thin now an hour you here you know, all the young ones now and they're going too dear now thin now an hour you here you know, all the young ones now and they're going too dear now
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now for, I mean it's the cost of now for, I mean it's the cost of
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a living we know but geez, it's like our Army functions they become dearer, and we should be a living we know but geez, it's like our Army functions they become dearer, and we should be
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be able to get them cheaper because we're federal government. [Ingrid] So what's what's your be able to get them cheaper because we're federal government. [Ingrid] So what's what's your
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memory of Macquarie Island? [Richard] My last memory there, my last memory of Macquarie Island? [Richard] My last memory there, my last
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funniest memory was when we had this Dutchman and I think some of funniest memory was when we had this Dutchman and I think some of
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the things up 'til just recently were on the wall, a Penguin looking like the things up 'til just recently were on the wall, a Penguin looking like
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a Rabbit... in the Rec-room who I don't know a Rabbit... in the Rec-room who I don't know
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Yeah it was a long while? Yeah it was a long while?
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I can't even go out and grab it in the shed, I wouldn't know where it is, the a photograph of that I can't even go out and grab it in the shed, I wouldn't know where it is, the a photograph of that
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any rate he was a Dutchman and of course I didn't know it, in Holland any rate he was a Dutchman and of course I didn't know it, in Holland
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Easter time is a big Easter time is a big
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a big thing to them and he wanted us all to get done up in our... our..things you know a big thing to them and he wanted us all to get done up in our... our..things you know
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you know...[Ingrid] Rabbit cosutme? [Richard] Rabbits and stuff like, and of course this is the Doctor he you know...[Ingrid] Rabbit cosutme? [Richard] Rabbits and stuff like, and of course this is the Doctor he
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a just come with no shirt on. We're worried he might a just come with no shirt on. We're worried he might
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a drop his [inaudible]? but he didn't thank God because it was a drop his [inaudible]? but he didn't thank God because it was
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a lot of photographs taken of him, and you had to sing, or have a lot of photographs taken of him, and you had to sing, or have
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a poem or something to take, and he went to a poem or something to take, and he went to
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a lot of trouble doing this Rec-room up and I know up 'till..might have to go back through a lot of trouble doing this Rec-room up and I know up 'till..might have to go back through
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through some of the books some of the ANARI books there, they had the photo's in there but on through some of the books some of the ANARI books there, they had the photo's in there but on
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both walls there was these Seals being drawn in cardboard and cut out both walls there was these Seals being drawn in cardboard and cut out
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and pasted up, oh what else, there was a Bird, there was quite a few and pasted up, oh what else, there was a Bird, there was quite a few
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a few things around the wall and they were there a few things around the wall and they were there
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for years still in the hut that was the most memorable time I had there, plus the for years still in the hut that was the most memorable time I had there, plus the
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Yanks. [laughs] But uh, oh they were 4 good Yanks Yanks. [laughs] But uh, oh they were 4 good Yanks
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[Ingrid] Did you get out around the Island much, on Macquarie? [Richard] Oh, yes, oh, Macquarie, I don't know [Ingrid] Did you get out around the Island much, on Macquarie? [Richard] Oh, yes, oh, Macquarie, I don't know
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I forget his name now,...um the C.O. [Commanding Officer] I forget his name now,...um the C.O. [Commanding Officer]
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He didn't worry he must of He didn't worry he must of
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he thought I was capable of looking after me, I took the rifle one day and walked right around he thought I was capable of looking after me, I took the rifle one day and walked right around
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right down the Peace Coast to Heard Point and stopped down there a right down the Peace Coast to Heard Point and stopped down there a
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a couple days and then came over the top shooting whatever I liked? [Ingrid] So how many rifles were there on the Station? [Richard] I a couple days and then came over the top shooting whatever I liked? [Ingrid] So how many rifles were there on the Station? [Richard] I
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think there was 4. think there was 4.
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3's?' and 2 [two], 22's [Rifles] [Ingrid] So were were kept? [Richard] As far as I know they were kept in the...I had one 3's?' and 2 [two], 22's [Rifles] [Ingrid] So were were kept? [Richard] As far as I know they were kept in the...I had one
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One 303 in mine and donga and the [Ingrid] Just under the bed? One 303 in mine and donga and the [Ingrid] Just under the bed?
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[Ingrid] Under the bed? [Richard] Yeah oh nobody knew where it was, well I don't think they did [Ingrid] Yeah [Richard] And the C.O. had [Ingrid] Under the bed? [Richard] Yeah oh nobody knew where it was, well I don't think they did [Ingrid] Yeah [Richard] And the C.O. had
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Had the others in his room. [Ingrid] And did you have a Had the others in his room. [Ingrid] And did you have a
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a shooters license, or a ? [Richard] Didn't have to have it then [Ingrid] So you just sort of, who taught you to shoot? [Richard] I'd been in the Army. a shooters license, or a ? [Richard] Didn't have to have it then [Ingrid] So you just sort of, who taught you to shoot? [Richard] I'd been in the Army.
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the Navy the Navy
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And the Air Force... I knew a 303 but uh I And the Air Force... I knew a 303 but uh I
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I would've had plenty of ammunition and stuff, you know, you see you well you can't go there I would've had plenty of ammunition and stuff, you know, you see you well you can't go there
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and do any of that now and then I done the South Head, I done that a lot and do any of that now and then I done the South Head, I done that a lot
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a lot. [Ingrid] The North Head with Wireless Hill? [Richard] Yeah, Wireless Hill I walked around there I got some photo's a lot. [Ingrid] The North Head with Wireless Hill? [Richard] Yeah, Wireless Hill I walked around there I got some photo's
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photo's of the Black Brow Albatross you know that sits right on the dangerous part photo's of the Black Brow Albatross you know that sits right on the dangerous part
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parts of the cliff trying to get...[Ingrid] And that was on North Head, Wireless Hill was it? [Richard] Yeah parts of the cliff trying to get...[Ingrid] And that was on North Head, Wireless Hill was it? [Richard] Yeah
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In the albatrosses the big ones the white ones right down near Carron? Island In the albatrosses the big ones the white ones right down near Carron? Island
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Island, or something down there Island, or something down there
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down far in there but they tell me they've even dwindled in numbers [Ingrid] Yeah, they have. [Richard] I don't know it's down far in there but they tell me they've even dwindled in numbers [Ingrid] Yeah, they have. [Richard] I don't know it's
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going to be, it can only be down to cats and that, it can't be anything else because the breeding seasons going to be, it can only be down to cats and that, it can't be anything else because the breeding seasons
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don't change. [Ingrid] How do you think it's different now compared to when you were down there don't change. [Ingrid] How do you think it's different now compared to when you were down there
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[Richard] At Mcquarie? [Ingrid] Mm [Richard] I think I hit the top [Richard] At Mcquarie? [Ingrid] Mm [Richard] I think I hit the top
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of the start of the good times I think out there, they're got a lot of the start of the good times I think out there, they're got a lot
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a lot more huts than we ever had down there and um they seem to be getting a lot more huts than we ever had down there and um they seem to be getting
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a change over every 6 months now, I don't know about the Cooks but it looks as a change over every 6 months now, I don't know about the Cooks but it looks as
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from my reading in the books the Aurora, it seems every 6 months they're changing from my reading in the books the Aurora, it seems every 6 months they're changing
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for every 3 months, it seems every time a boat comes past so many come in and so for every 3 months, it seems every time a boat comes past so many come in and so
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many go off you know I... it's only many go off you know I... it's only
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a job now really. [Ingrid] And what was it before? [Richard] Adventure... see a job now really. [Ingrid] And what was it before? [Richard] Adventure... see
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you gotta remember you can't do anything you like on Macquarie Island now see you got your you gotta remember you can't do anything you like on Macquarie Island now see you got your
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your Park Rangers there and I believe they are very strict on where you walk even your Park Rangers there and I believe they are very strict on where you walk even
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you know you're only there to run the station and do your work you're not meant to go you know you're only there to run the station and do your work you're not meant to go
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walkin where-ever you want to and if you can do that, well, the lost is gone. walkin where-ever you want to and if you can do that, well, the lost is gone.
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[Ingrid] Do you have Slushies assigned to you? [Richard] No, the...most of the men hopped in and cleaned up [Ingrid] Do you have Slushies assigned to you? [Richard] No, the...most of the men hopped in and cleaned up
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their own dishes of a night time, you know [Ingrid] So you didn't have someone helping you during their own dishes of a night time, you know [Ingrid] So you didn't have someone helping you during
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the day doing food prep or?. [Richard] No, no [Ingrid] Or setting up [Richard] Oh no, no not at Heard not at Mawson, they only clean the day doing food prep or?. [Richard] No, no [Ingrid] Or setting up [Richard] Oh no, no not at Heard not at Mawson, they only clean
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their own dishes at the night time you know, well I kept myself busy by washing me own pots and that their own dishes at the night time you know, well I kept myself busy by washing me own pots and that
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made sure I didn't burn them of course [laughs]. The burnt ones I you know made sure I didn't burn them of course [laughs]. The burnt ones I you know
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threw away [laughs] [Ingrid] Oh, okay [Richard] But no, we never had Slushies threw away [laughs] [Ingrid] Oh, okay [Richard] But no, we never had Slushies
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there just er in thing. You Know, there was only 12 on there just er in thing. You Know, there was only 12 on
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Heard... and I forget 16 at Mawson I think, there was more than 12 Heard... and I forget 16 at Mawson I think, there was more than 12
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16 I think at Mawson 16 I think at Mawson
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and it all worked Okay. As I said and it all worked Okay. As I said
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soon as it dirtied something, I washed it because you to because you want to keep your soon as it dirtied something, I washed it because you to because you want to keep your
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hot water going through your stove and if you hit it all in one hit you had no hot water going through your stove and if you hit it all in one hit you had no
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hot water. [Ingrid] So it was smart thinking, really. [laughter] [Richard] With those stoves I don't know whether they still hot water. [Ingrid] So it was smart thinking, really. [laughter] [Richard] With those stoves I don't know whether they still
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got electric stoves at got electric stoves at
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at Casey haven't they? Yeah, see the difference [Ingrid] Okay, we might call that at Casey haven't they? Yeah, see the difference [Ingrid] Okay, we might call that
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a day then. [Richard] And plus they got plenty of-the power there now a day then. [Richard] And plus they got plenty of-the power there now
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they got their wind generators haven't they? [Ingrid] Yeah [Richard] Yeah [Ingrid] Thanks Richard, that was great. they got their wind generators haven't they? [Ingrid] Yeah [Richard] Yeah [Ingrid] Thanks Richard, that was great.