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My name is Michael Ooyendyk and I'm sitting here with My name is Michael Ooyendyk and I'm sitting here with
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with Dick McNair er it's the 14th of May 2011 and we're going to with Dick McNair er it's the 14th of May 2011 and we're going to
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talk with Dick about his travels down South as an Antarctic Chef and er talk with Dick about his travels down South as an Antarctic Chef and er
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Dick's first trip down south was to Heard Island in '53? And er we're going to sort of Dick's first trip down south was to Heard Island in '53? And er we're going to sort of
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talk about some of his, his experiences down south, yeah.  So you were also down in talk about some of his, his experiences down south, yeah.  So you were also down in
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on one of the ships, you went down first is that correct? [Dick] Yeah, it was the English research ship 'Discovery' on one of the ships, you went down first is that correct? [Dick] Yeah, it was the English research ship 'Discovery'
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the 2nd or 2 um that was the the 2nd or 2 um that was the
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the whole, around the Continent in Winter time, was done. the whole, around the Continent in Winter time, was done.
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After that, arrived back here in this country and er ended up getting After that, arrived back here in this country and er ended up getting
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talked into going south by talked into going south by
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Phil Law at the time, who was in charge um...then they had Phil Law at the time, who was in charge um...then they had
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this silly training thing in Melbourne [laughs] to make us  this silly training thing in Melbourne [laughs] to make us 
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fit, they reckon but I was fit enough I thought um... then I just fit, they reckon but I was fit enough I thought um... then I just
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I didn't have to go on any, some of the cooks I believe went um on training for bread  I didn't have to go on any, some of the cooks I believe went um on training for bread 
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and that but I was lucky, I was already up in breadmaking and butchering and that but I was lucky, I was already up in breadmaking and butchering
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so I didn't have to worry about that or so I didn't have to worry about that or
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I was trying to think now, did we put I was trying to think now, did we put
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a new stove in? ...Yep, we, that's right the only thing we had to do was go and  a new stove in? ...Yep, we, that's right the only thing we had to do was go and 
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put put
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a Agar stove together and um after that we sailed south a Agar stove together and um after that we sailed south
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to a mighty Island called Heard Island. to a mighty Island called Heard Island.
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Oh, what else... [Michael] So what was, what was Heard Island like when you first got there, was there Oh, what else... [Michael] So what was, what was Heard Island like when you first got there, was there
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a station there already, some, some facilities there already? [Dick] Oh yes the station a station there already, some, some facilities there already? [Dick] Oh yes the station
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been established in... 1948... I think it was been established in... 1948... I think it was
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it must have been '48, 'cause,  that's right yeah, it was '48 it must have been '48, 'cause,  that's right yeah, it was '48
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and er it was very well... people don't realise that it wasn't and er it was very well... people don't realise that it wasn't
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a setu.. it was  a setu.. it was 
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as a station but everything was humbly jumbly, sort of thing, and they were, I think there's books as a station but everything was humbly jumbly, sort of thing, and they were, I think there's books
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that, I forget what they're called Octo Huts or something, 8...[Michael] Oh yes, yes, [Dick] um there was 4 of them that, I forget what they're called Octo Huts or something, 8...[Michael] Oh yes, yes, [Dick] um there was 4 of them
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together, then the kitchen was put onto the back of these, then together, then the kitchen was put onto the back of these, then
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as it went there was as it went there was
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a rec room put between-between and then the engineer ... the kitchen was a rec room put between-between and then the engineer ... the kitchen was
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very, no high ceilings it was just very, no high ceilings it was just
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a nice ceiling, but very compact um...there was nothing. a nice ceiling, but very compact um...there was nothing.
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other than.. out in the kitchen it was, we had all the equipment we want required other than.. out in the kitchen it was, we had all the equipment we want required
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but we had to um oh what was it? We did take sheep with us but we had to um oh what was it? We did take sheep with us
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but er and then we did take a thing called but er and then we did take a thing called
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a Husky with us, and they didn't see eye to eye, so all a Husky with us, and they didn't see eye to eye, so all
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our sheep, 6 of them, ended up on the glacier and over the top...uh that's the our sheep, 6 of them, ended up on the glacier and over the top...uh that's the
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last we seen of our fresh meat [Michael] Wow [Dick] [laughs] we couldn't do, we went to try and get 'em last we seen of our fresh meat [Michael] Wow [Dick] [laughs] we couldn't do, we went to try and get 'em
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but there was no hope, they just went too high. By the time we come back the weather settled in, but there was no hope, they just went too high. By the time we come back the weather settled in,
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that was 6 sheep we lost, ah so that meant we had to live out of cans for the rest of the that was 6 sheep we lost, ah so that meant we had to live out of cans for the rest of the
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year, except for the odd seal's heart, penguin. year, except for the odd seal's heart, penguin.
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The seal meat was alright, the liver's were a bit hard, you had to The seal meat was alright, the liver's were a bit hard, you had to
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there were so many ways you could try to there were so many ways you could try to
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a cook a liver, but there was no successful way that I found any rate. I was reading in a  a cook a liver, but there was no successful way that I found any rate. I was reading in a 
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book the other day that some did find a successful way but they still found it book the other day that some did find a successful way but they still found it
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a bit bitter. The liver for some unknown reason just didn't cook, the meat was okay a bit bitter. The liver for some unknown reason just didn't cook, the meat was okay
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but it was black, but you closed your eyes, [Michael] Yeah [Dick] burnt but it was black, but you closed your eyes, [Michael] Yeah [Dick] burnt
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The Penguin well, if you got him before he went to sea, you-they couldn't tell you it The Penguin well, if you got him before he went to sea, you-they couldn't tell you it
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wasn't Duck you know they - just, like cooked up good. Um we had nothing else on the wasn't Duck you know they - just, like cooked up good. Um we had nothing else on the
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island [Michael] Was there a variety of Penguin that you favoured? [Dick] Whatever you- one that laid 2 eggs island [Michael] Was there a variety of Penguin that you favoured? [Dick] Whatever you- one that laid 2 eggs
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we always grabbed them [Michael] Right [Dick] Because we knew they were going to survive, one of them we always grabbed them [Michael] Right [Dick] Because we knew they were going to survive, one of them
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always had to,  if there were 2 chicks with always had to,  if there were 2 chicks with
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an adult, we took the, one of the chicks.   Oh you didn't take the old ones, they'd been to sea an adult, we took the, one of the chicks.   Oh you didn't take the old ones, they'd been to sea
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too often and they were too, oh I don't know, they were a bit fishy or just too often and they were too, oh I don't know, they were a bit fishy or just
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didn't taste the same but uh, the young ones before they go to didn't taste the same but uh, the young ones before they go to
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sea they were ideal. What was the other thing we knocked off? The penguin eggs sea they were ideal. What was the other thing we knocked off? The penguin eggs
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and skua eggs were good, but you never try frying penguin eggs, you know penguin eggs and skua eggs were good, but you never try frying penguin eggs, you know penguin eggs
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you can't fry,  [Michael] okay  [Dick] I know there's you can't fry,  [Michael] okay  [Dick] I know there's
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a lot tried to, and anybody can do it, I'd like to know [laugh] because the white a lot tried to, and anybody can do it, I'd like to know [laugh] because the white
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never set much, the yellow was okay but to make cakes, all that never set much, the yellow was okay but to make cakes, all that
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ideal ohh [Michael] Reckon?  [Dick] You could make ideal ohh [Michael] Reckon?  [Dick] You could make
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beautiful cake made out of.  The whites which I tried to get them to come up into beautiful cake made out of.  The whites which I tried to get them to come up into
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meringues and that, they'd come to a certain thing then they went boom, they just collapsed all of meringues and that, they'd come to a certain thing then they went boom, they just collapsed all of
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a sudden, so we went out of that, uh we tried the cabbage, a sudden, so we went out of that, uh we tried the cabbage,
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but a lot of experiment had to go into that, and the only way I could make it eatable but a lot of experiment had to go into that, and the only way I could make it eatable
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was add a bit of sugar, ah it took out the was add a bit of sugar, ah it took out the
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bitterness, but what my doctor said 'that's good for you' [laughs] not to muck bitterness, but what my doctor said 'that's good for you' [laughs] not to muck
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around just eat it as it is but um, there was another route we, we around just eat it as it is but um, there was another route we, we
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tried and that was alright. I just can't think of what that was now ...we tried 2 lots of tried and that was alright. I just can't think of what that was now ...we tried 2 lots of
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stuff down on Heard Island and it was very tasty but er stuff down on Heard Island and it was very tasty but er
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we had to depend on dried vegetables all the time [Michael] So what dried vegetables  we had to depend on dried vegetables all the time [Michael] So what dried vegetables 
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did they did they
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they supply you with? [Dick] Peas, carrots, potatoes, cabbage, that was ... [Michael] Oh the  they supply you with? [Dick] Peas, carrots, potatoes, cabbage, that was ... [Michael] Oh the 
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the basics yeah. [Dick] The basics and of course the peas, if you've ever been a the basics yeah. [Dick] The basics and of course the peas, if you've ever been a
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a cook you know dried peas are good if you give them the time to [Michael] Soak [Dick] Come back a cook you know dried peas are good if you give them the time to [Michael] Soak [Dick] Come back
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[Michael] yeah yeah [Dick] The cabbage again you just don't know how much water but you get used [Michael] yeah yeah [Dick] The cabbage again you just don't know how much water but you get used
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to it by using the, we had some wicked tinned bacon, so we used to take to it by using the, we had some wicked tinned bacon, so we used to take
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that out, cut it up small, throw it in with the cabbage and carrot .[Michael] Mate we had a saying down  that out, cut it up small, throw it in with the cabbage and carrot .[Michael] Mate we had a saying down 
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there if you wanted to eat it, you could add either cheese on it or bacon in it, [laughter] and then eat it.  [Dick]  Oh yeah, there if you wanted to eat it, you could add either cheese on it or bacon in it, [laughter] and then eat it.  [Dick]  Oh yeah,
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we had some good tinned cheese too, that's right.  There was we had some good tinned cheese too, that's right.  There was
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Kraft but the best of the lot were the apricots, the apples, Kraft but the best of the lot were the apricots, the apples,
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and the good old prunes, but the apple and apricots well, they always went well and the good old prunes, but the apple and apricots well, they always went well
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and when you went out on a field trip you'd take and when you went out on a field trip you'd take
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a handful of apple or apricots with you.  Uh what else a handful of apple or apricots with you.  Uh what else
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well milk, well all our milk was milk powder and there's nothing wrong with well milk, well all our milk was milk powder and there's nothing wrong with
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the old powdered milk.  [Michael] You do it yourself fairly quickly, yep. [Dick] No, you mix it the night before and the old powdered milk.  [Michael] You do it yourself fairly quickly, yep. [Dick] No, you mix it the night before and
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put it out it and cover it outside in the cold and if it chills overnight put it out it and cover it outside in the cold and if it chills overnight
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it's like having it at home, we have it here at odd times, mix it and it's like having it at home, we have it here at odd times, mix it and
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leave it over, you can't tell the difference, but um, what's it - oh we had condensed milk leave it over, you can't tell the difference, but um, what's it - oh we had condensed milk
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well that's the well that's the
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only good thing about that you'll make good, cheap mayonnaise and caramel slices. only good thing about that you'll make good, cheap mayonnaise and caramel slices.
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[Michael] Yes, yes [Dick] Er...what else was there, but we had [Michael] Yes, yes [Dick] Er...what else was there, but we had
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oh all our  oh all our 
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stuff was ex-Army, it was oh, some of it, that tinned bully beef, oh geez, find out how many stuff was ex-Army, it was oh, some of it, that tinned bully beef, oh geez, find out how many
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ways you can make that. You wouldn't of had it in your time [Michael] No, we didn't ways you can make that. You wouldn't of had it in your time [Michael] No, we didn't
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I think we had it I think we had it
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there, but we didn't actually use it, yeah, we had good meat sent down for us. [Dick] Too fatty there, but we didn't actually use it, yeah, we had good meat sent down for us. [Dick] Too fatty
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the only time they were good was with the army issued dry biscuits. You had to suck them all the only time they were good was with the army issued dry biscuits. You had to suck them all
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day, but mix it up, you minced it up. day, but mix it up, you minced it up.
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Oh we had plenty of dried fruit too, we had an abundance of dried food, as I said we had to  Oh we had plenty of dried fruit too, we had an abundance of dried food, as I said we had to 
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cook our bread and it took cook our bread and it took
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a bit of getting used to the Agar ovens to cook it. The, the system was   a bit of getting used to the Agar ovens to cook it. The, the system was  
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me, at any rate and I used to cook all day, so at night me, at any rate and I used to cook all day, so at night
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when it was cooling down I'd put me bread in then,  I had no trouble with it.  [Michael] So what time would you start when it was cooling down I'd put me bread in then,  I had no trouble with it.  [Michael] So what time would you start
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for a day when you were cooking? [Dick] That all depends on how...[Michael] How many did you have, how many were you looking after? [Dick] 12 for a day when you were cooking? [Dick] That all depends on how...[Michael] How many did you have, how many were you looking after? [Dick] 12
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I think at Heard I think at Heard
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only a small number, see I, I was very lucky with John Bechervaise.  You're always out, he only a small number, see I, I was very lucky with John Bechervaise.  You're always out, he
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always let you go out, and he maintained everybody should be able to do cooking [laughs] and believe  always let you go out, and he maintained everybody should be able to do cooking [laughs] and believe 
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me, there's some good cooks and there's some bad cooks.  But, no he was very good, me, there's some good cooks and there's some bad cooks.  But, no he was very good,
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he - I went with the Doctor Arthur Gwynn, because he was he - I went with the Doctor Arthur Gwynn, because he was
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a biologist too, and we went down to the far end of the Island and we were a biologist too, and we went down to the far end of the Island and we were
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away a fortnight and er that was away a fortnight and er that was
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a long trip. One pair of boots.  They wore out on the lava, but he wanted to get down to a long trip. One pair of boots.  They wore out on the lava, but he wanted to get down to
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see his birds [Michael] So what birds did you go down to see, which ones? [Dick] Albatrosses [Michael] Okay, what species did they have down there? see his birds [Michael] So what birds did you go down to see, which ones? [Dick] Albatrosses [Michael] Okay, what species did they have down there?
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Oh now you got me, I know they had the Black Brow, I forget the other one, er the Oh now you got me, I know they had the Black Brow, I forget the other one, er the
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Wanderers were one that's right, 'cause when he went south on the trip, I took it on to go and Wanderers were one that's right, 'cause when he went south on the trip, I took it on to go and
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check whether the ringed ones come back and we were lucky one of the birds we did ring check whether the ringed ones come back and we were lucky one of the birds we did ring
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turned up in South America. Had a letter to that effect, from Arthur,  about it and he turned up in South America. Had a letter to that effect, from Arthur,  about it and he
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was pleased as, but that's what we were doing, was ringing the young chicks,... sometimes I didn't have the  was pleased as, but that's what we were doing, was ringing the young chicks,... sometimes I didn't have the 
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appreciate it, dangerous job [laughs] I was a cook not a, not a  appreciate it, dangerous job [laughs] I was a cook not a, not a 
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pioneer, but  uh but the cooking wise, it's pioneer, but  uh but the cooking wise, it's
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well you only were, had to work 6 days, you didn't work the 7th day unless the well you only were, had to work 6 days, you didn't work the 7th day unless the
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chap that was doing it got into bother... you want to ask Fred Elliot and he's cooking when chap that was doing it got into bother... you want to ask Fred Elliot and he's cooking when
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he's used the - the wrong stuff [laughs] and that's, he's used the - the wrong stuff [laughs] and that's,
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that was so funny. [Michael] So what did that was so funny. [Michael] So what did
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Fred do when um, he got into the wrong stuff, can you tell us about that story? [Dick] Uh he'd come Fred do when um, he got into the wrong stuff, can you tell us about that story? [Dick] Uh he'd come
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and I said 'Well' I said, 'what in the hell are you done?'  he said 'I've used this stuff', I said 'that's and I said 'Well' I said, 'what in the hell are you done?'  he said 'I've used this stuff', I said 'that's
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not for cookin'.  I forget what it was now, something I'd put not for cookin'.  I forget what it was now, something I'd put
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aside that I knew I could use and er [laughs], I'm sure it was Fred, yeah it was Fred. aside that I knew I could use and er [laughs], I'm sure it was Fred, yeah it was Fred.
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[Michael] Was it a cut of meat or something or er? [Dick] Oh yeah, lamb, it was one of our, one piece of  [Michael] Was it a cut of meat or something or er? [Dick] Oh yeah, lamb, it was one of our, one piece of 
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the lamb that we had oh- he had to ruin it [Michael - laughter] the lamb that we had oh- he had to ruin it [Michael - laughter]
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That was about Heard Island, there's not much about that because as I said it was all dry food That was about Heard Island, there's not much about that because as I said it was all dry food
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and [Michael] So what would you have prepared in the morning, you'd finish your bread off, you'd crank the oven up and [Michael] So what would you have prepared in the morning, you'd finish your bread off, you'd crank the oven up
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and finish the bread off mainly? Would they get porridge for breakfast? Or? [Dick] No oh well we had the cereals and finish the bread off mainly? Would they get porridge for breakfast? Or? [Dick] No oh well we had the cereals
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and if anybody wanted porridge they had to say and we'd cook it, they'd have to wait for it but  and if anybody wanted porridge they had to say and we'd cook it, they'd have to wait for it but 
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we'd cook it and, never cook anything ahead because, it was only going to get thrown out we'd cook it and, never cook anything ahead because, it was only going to get thrown out
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and it was better to cook for those who wanted, er we had no eggs, we had these and it was better to cook for those who wanted, er we had no eggs, we had these
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that's right I tried to ah,  we all we had was that's right I tried to ah,  we all we had was
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the powdered egg and we had no whites for 'em, so I tried it with the the powdered egg and we had no whites for 'em, so I tried it with the
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birds' eggs white, it didn't work - just didn't work, um I just, I must birds' eggs white, it didn't work - just didn't work, um I just, I must
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admit I never mastered that powdered egg.  I'd no way, they'd eat it, you'd make it admit I never mastered that powdered egg.  I'd no way, they'd eat it, you'd make it
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a good sort of dish out of it for breakfast, with the bacon and that and shh not as good a good sort of dish out of it for breakfast, with the bacon and that and shh not as good
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as I'd like to be, you know. Um, no, the- the thing at Heard as I'd like to be, you know. Um, no, the- the thing at Heard
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Island was we just had to do with what we, we went there as pioneers as they say. Island was we just had to do with what we, we went there as pioneers as they say.
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And you just had to, I know that there was And you just had to, I know that there was
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a couple of chaps there with us that didn't really honn onto our a couple of chaps there with us that didn't really honn onto our
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way of living out of dried food and that ,you know but I-I just got, way of living out of dried food and that ,you know but I-I just got,
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well it never worried me I eat anything, there were some others that'd eat anything well it never worried me I eat anything, there were some others that'd eat anything
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you know, but the bullock heart was the one that went down, not the bullocks, the seals' hearts, oh they went you know, but the bullock heart was the one that went down, not the bullocks, the seals' hearts, oh they went
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down well. Um, they were extra good because down well. Um, they were extra good because
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they were like a bullock's heart, you couldn't tell the difference, as long as you stuffed them up with they were like a bullock's heart, you couldn't tell the difference, as long as you stuffed them up with
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herbs and stuff, they were one of the best sellers, but nothing that I can't tell you any much more herbs and stuff, they were one of the best sellers, but nothing that I can't tell you any much more
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about Heard Island cooking [Michael] What about lunch, what would you prepare for Lunch? [Dick] Well mainly about Heard Island cooking [Michael] What about lunch, what would you prepare for Lunch? [Dick] Well mainly
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they'd get er the old bully beef [laughs] [Michael] Bully beef and bread? [Dick] Bread ah they'd get er the old bully beef [laughs] [Michael] Bully beef and bread? [Dick] Bread ah
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but uh, with the bully beef, oh sometimes I'd use to make but uh, with the bully beef, oh sometimes I'd use to make
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a lot of pies out of the stewed beef and that, because the, the tinned stew a lot of pies out of the stewed beef and that, because the, the tinned stew
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you couldn't oh,  heat it up and put dumplings over it, and that, that went well.  Cause the you couldn't oh,  heat it up and put dumplings over it, and that, that went well.  Cause the
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dumplings helped to fill, but you just couldn't do much with it. I tried to make it dumplings helped to fill, but you just couldn't do much with it. I tried to make it
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into slices nuh. Pies nuh, because it was already cooked and by the into slices nuh. Pies nuh, because it was already cooked and by the
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time the pastry cooked it was just. I just was never happy they got time the pastry cooked it was just. I just was never happy they got
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eaten, but I kept them fed with plenty of buns, bread, cake eaten, but I kept them fed with plenty of buns, bread, cake
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apple pies, stewed apple, apricots you know apple pies, stewed apple, apricots you know
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you went for the stuff that was good for 'em. you went for the stuff that was good for 'em.
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Meat wasn't that good for 'em, well I didn't think so, they got a bit  Meat wasn't that good for 'em, well I didn't think so, they got a bit 
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of bully well, seal's hearts, uh what else was out of the sea we took out and tried? of bully well, seal's hearts, uh what else was out of the sea we took out and tried?
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we got the meat ...well out of the we got the meat ...well out of the
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12, I think 8 of us...was reckoned that was alright, the others  12, I think 8 of us...was reckoned that was alright, the others 
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- it was just the look, you know [Michael] So what did it actually look like? What was  - it was just the look, you know [Michael] So what did it actually look like? What was 
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[Michael] the texture like, [Dick] black [Michael] It was black was it [Dick] Oh yes, black..it was a bit stringy but [Michael] the texture like, [Dick] black [Michael] It was black was it [Dick] Oh yes, black..it was a bit stringy but
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you had...main thing is to know what way to carve it, slice it so and you gotta keep you had...main thing is to know what way to carve it, slice it so and you gotta keep
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it nice and thin, so that you don't, you know, you don't want a steak like that you want a it nice and thin, so that you don't, you know, you don't want a steak like that you want a
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wafer size so that you can just hit it quick and then get plenty of onion, oh you have to use wafer size so that you can just hit it quick and then get plenty of onion, oh you have to use
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a dried onion and er it was alright ...[Michael] And you had enough supplies to a dried onion and er it was alright ...[Michael] And you had enough supplies to
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get you through your, through your winter? [Dick] Enough supplies in house, oh yes we, well we had to have get you through your, through your winter? [Dick] Enough supplies in house, oh yes we, well we had to have
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12 months ahead too, just in case you know...[Michael] They couldn't get there to get you? Yeah, yeah [Dick] Well 12 months ahead too, just in case you know...[Michael] They couldn't get there to get you? Yeah, yeah [Dick] Well
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they could, they could've at anytime, they got the  'Australia' to go down there, the war ship and nearly  they could, they could've at anytime, they got the  'Australia' to go down there, the war ship and nearly 
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ruined it [laughs] Um, but they, it was just in case there was ruined it [laughs] Um, but they, it was just in case there was
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that they couldn't get somebody, because I know we were coming in in the that they couldn't get somebody, because I know we were coming in in the
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'Discovery' and er there was 'Discovery' and er there was
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a Doctor, or somebody, to be taken off of Heard Island and 'cause they sent a Doctor, or somebody, to be taken off of Heard Island and 'cause they sent
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out to anybody in the area to go there and, 'cause our skipper was- said yes he out to anybody in the area to go there and, 'cause our skipper was- said yes he
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would, but we hit bad weather, so we were, we didn't go, they sent the 'Australia',  I think went down would, but we hit bad weather, so we were, we didn't go, they sent the 'Australia',  I think went down
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in the end, yeah, but er but you should did red, Fred might have told you about a little in the end, yeah, but er but you should did red, Fred might have told you about a little
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ship we did go in. [laughs] The type [Michael] Tell us about it? ship we did go in. [laughs] The type [Michael] Tell us about it?
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[Michael] Tell us about the ship that you went in then? [Dick] Oh! [Michael] What was your trip like there? [Dick] That, Oh! that was the Tottenham 500 [Michael] Tell us about the ship that you went in then? [Dick] Oh! [Michael] What was your trip like there? [Dick] That, Oh! that was the Tottenham 500
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what was it, yeah 500 ton, I think it was, and that was an old what was it, yeah 500 ton, I think it was, and that was an old
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sub-chaser.  It was  built during the war...uh converted to sub-chaser.  It was  built during the war...uh converted to
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a seal chaser, so you can imagine, 12 men, the crew a seal chaser, so you can imagine, 12 men, the crew
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and the smell of the ship, after they'd been chasing seals and that Oh! What and the smell of the ship, after they'd been chasing seals and that Oh! What
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a trip and then we get off of Heard Island we nearly rolled [Michael] Yeah? [Dick] Because we anchored off a trip and then we get off of Heard Island we nearly rolled [Michael] Yeah? [Dick] Because we anchored off
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in a storm and at a - no, no, no er there's not many photos of that, in a storm and at a - no, no, no er there's not many photos of that,
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that's what amazes me. I think Fred Elliott's got the- done the best copy with his pencil. that's what amazes me. I think Fred Elliott's got the- done the best copy with his pencil.
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Did you take down any film down with you? Did you do any photography while you there or was it? [Dick] Oh.. Did you take down any film down with you? Did you do any photography while you there or was it? [Dick] Oh..
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I got a lot of, not that much, because see the cameras weren't in those days, you used to I got a lot of, not that much, because see the cameras weren't in those days, you used to
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still working on boxes, I know they took still working on boxes, I know they took
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I forget what his name, but I think John Bechervaise had I forget what his name, but I think John Bechervaise had
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a 16 millimetre with him, or some sort of thing, all I ever a 16 millimetre with him, or some sort of thing, all I ever
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had was a little box, which I'd been carrying for many years. Um, but I've been lucky I've had was a little box, which I'd been carrying for many years. Um, but I've been lucky I've
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got bits and pieces that were taken of got bits and pieces that were taken of
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the landing of Heard Island, Macquarie Island. I don't think Mawson,  might have been some Mawson but I the landing of Heard Island, Macquarie Island. I don't think Mawson,  might have been some Mawson but I
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got some d.v.d's got some d.v.d's
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stuff all taken, showing them dogs coming and going, but um [Michael] So you stuff all taken, showing them dogs coming and going, but um [Michael] So you
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 had one dog while you were on Heard Island with you? [Dick] No, no, we had [Michael] Oh I thought you had more  had one dog while you were on Heard Island with you? [Dick] No, no, we had [Michael] Oh I thought you had more
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I wouldn't be, I'd say we had 14, I think we took those down with us from Melbourne when we I wouldn't be, I'd say we had 14, I think we took those down with us from Melbourne when we
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went there in the first place...... [Michael] They actually, they actually got used when you were on the Island? went there in the first place...... [Michael] They actually, they actually got used when you were on the Island?
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Not on....on Heard Island yeah that's where Leon Fox done all the training with them oh, yes some of the Not on....on Heard Island yeah that's where Leon Fox done all the training with them oh, yes some of the
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experiences myself and Leon on those dogs going, which you had to get of your toilet didn't  experiences myself and Leon on those dogs going, which you had to get of your toilet didn't 
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ya and we didn't tip it our side,  we tipped it over the other side [laughs] and ya and we didn't tip it our side,  we tipped it over the other side [laughs] and
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'cause one day I seen the old dogs take off ...we missed the... so it was like 'cause one day I seen the old dogs take off ...we missed the... so it was like
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a cart and the dogs on this, and they're pulling us like everything a cart and the dogs on this, and they're pulling us like everything
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and everything is going everywhere [laughter] ah so funny, there's some, oh there's some good tales about and everything is going everywhere [laughter] ah so funny, there's some, oh there's some good tales about
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it because this is gone with Leon and his dogs, but he done it because this is gone with Leon and his dogs, but he done
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a lot of time... I wi.., I always threatened to kill one of his dogs to try and eat it because I a lot of time... I wi.., I always threatened to kill one of his dogs to try and eat it because I
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reckon it would've gone well, the young ones that hadn't worked and that, you know, I still reckon it would've gone well, the young ones that hadn't worked and that, you know, I still
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maintain to this day it would have been alright to eat a bit of dog [laughter] I know I've eaten it but [laughter] I reckon these  maintain to this day it would have been alright to eat a bit of dog [laughter] I know I've eaten it but [laughter] I reckon these 
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huskies would have huskies would have
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alright without work. [Michael] But they also have um Sheath Bill's running around on Heard. [Dick] Which?  alright without work. [Michael] But they also have um Sheath Bill's running around on Heard. [Dick] Which? 
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[Michael] Sheath Bill's the little white bird? Scavenger bird? ...[Dick]I just... Oh yeah, I think  [Michael] Sheath Bill's the little white bird? Scavenger bird? ...[Dick]I just... Oh yeah, I think 
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there was, I think there was, I think
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[Michael] Did you ever get to try one of those? [Dick] No, no [Michael] Okay [Dick] No, I tried to skua, but I wouldn't give it to the blokes [Michael] Did you ever get to try one of those? [Dick] No, no [Michael] Okay [Dick] No, I tried to skua, but I wouldn't give it to the blokes
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I think yeah, they had to be another one you had to kill when they were young. [Michael] u huh [Dick] But er I tried an older I think yeah, they had to be another one you had to kill when they were young. [Michael] u huh [Dick] But er I tried an older
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one, I wouldn't go and catch anymore and give it to the blokes...it's like one, I wouldn't go and catch anymore and give it to the blokes...it's like
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There was another thing there I tried nuh psst, you just couldn't get rid of the There was another thing there I tried nuh psst, you just couldn't get rid of the
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smell, the smell of them....you know, but you know, you do learn smell, the smell of them....you know, but you know, you do learn
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You see somebody said oh, you know, when you're the  what a ...what recipes do use? You see somebody said oh, you know, when you're the  what a ...what recipes do use?
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Don't use no recipes, you just go ahead and...did you write it down, well why should I write it down Don't use no recipes, you just go ahead and...did you write it down, well why should I write it down
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that's given to somebody else an idea ..[Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] [laughs] I said no I said over the years that's given to somebody else an idea ..[Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] [laughs] I said no I said over the years
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I've never put stuff to [Michael] To paper? [Dick] to pen, because it's shh, I just believe in 3 I've never put stuff to [Michael] To paper? [Dick] to pen, because it's shh, I just believe in 3
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things 3 - of everything - 1, 2, 3.  Cook to that method and you're right [Michael] Yep, yep [Dick] any rate that's getting  things 3 - of everything - 1, 2, 3.  Cook to that method and you're right [Michael] Yep, yep [Dick] any rate that's getting 
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away from what you want to know. [Michael] What about birthday's did you make a away from what you want to know. [Michael] What about birthday's did you make a
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Oh birthdays [Michael] [inaudible] [Dick] were the oh well there's 12 birthdays in a year, that's one a month Oh birthdays [Michael] [inaudible] [Dick] were the oh well there's 12 birthdays in a year, that's one a month
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and a good drink time [Michael] Ah yes, excellent. [Dick] Nah, we always made cakes and always and a good drink time [Michael] Ah yes, excellent. [Dick] Nah, we always made cakes and always
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a birthday cake. And all cakes and whatever food we could put on it, a birthday cake. And all cakes and whatever food we could put on it,
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a decent meal you know, you'd, might be only sloppies, tinned stuff but you made the  a decent meal you know, you'd, might be only sloppies, tinned stuff but you made the 
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best of it you could. [Michel] Yeah, [Dick] Yeah, ah, always make best of it you could. [Michel] Yeah, [Dick] Yeah, ah, always make
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a good pudding for ?seeing?, powdered egg was all right for making custards, a good pudding for ?seeing?, powdered egg was all right for making custards,
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plenty of cake, [Michael] What about um, so alcohol what was the go on alcohol then for you guys? Did you take your own plenty of cake, [Michael] What about um, so alcohol what was the go on alcohol then for you guys? Did you take your own
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or did you brew it? [Dick] I was a good brewer, oh yeah [Michael] You did brew your own yeah? [Dick] I did brewed the beer for them yeah, oh well you take the top or did you brew it? [Dick] I was a good brewer, oh yeah [Michael] You did brew your own yeah? [Dick] I did brewed the beer for them yeah, oh well you take the top
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off but into the bread, phewtt the bread comes up, [Michael] Yeah, [Dick] Oh yeah, that's yeast off but into the bread, phewtt the bread comes up, [Michael] Yeah, [Dick] Oh yeah, that's yeast
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oh active yeast and then I had another one um, that's oh active yeast and then I had another one um, that's
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a common one used eh a sourdough one [Michael] Yeah [Dick] yeah, so you'd start off with a a common one used eh a sourdough one [Michael] Yeah [Dick] yeah, so you'd start off with a
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a bit of flour and water and just keep adding to it a bit of flour and water and just keep adding to it
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a little bit of sugar, its... [Michael] It's so in vogue now a days too, it's really come back in [Dick] oh yeah, yeah a little bit of sugar, its... [Michael] It's so in vogue now a days too, it's really come back in [Dick] oh yeah, yeah
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but ah oh no I brewed the brew, oh-well with the stove I had you couldn't go wrong you but ah oh no I brewed the brew, oh-well with the stove I had you couldn't go wrong you
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know just sat it there, I never sat it there, I made it  had  know just sat it there, I never sat it there, I made it  had 
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a cupboard over it, and the warmth of the stove and I always had it sitting in there a cupboard over it, and the warmth of the stove and I always had it sitting in there
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the only thing was, the hard thing was  the only thing was, the hard thing was 
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bottling it, getting it, but one thing about Mr. Law he made sure we had plenty of  bottle bottling it, getting it, but one thing about Mr. Law he made sure we had plenty of  bottle
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tops to go on. [Michael] Good, good [Dick] But we had tops to go on. [Michael] Good, good [Dick] But we had
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a uh we went through too much in some respects, some of us, I suppose, because we didn't a uh we went through too much in some respects, some of us, I suppose, because we didn't
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need it  because he, we had a good lot of wine and I think it worked out need it  because he, we had a good lot of wine and I think it worked out
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about allowing for some that didn't drink I think about allowing for some that didn't drink I think
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you gave a bottle on a party night...and you gave a bottle on a party night...and
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a bottle's nothing [laughs] [Michael] Did you guys have port, did you take down some port for yourselves or? [Dick] We had rum [Michael] You had rum [Dick] Oh  a bottle's nothing [laughs] [Michael] Did you guys have port, did you take down some port for yourselves or? [Dick] We had rum [Michael] You had rum [Dick] Oh 
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we had port too, did we have the port? No, I know we had the rum at Heard, we had the rum at Mawson we had port too, did we have the port? No, I know we had the rum at Heard, we had the rum at Mawson
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And there, wasn't there And there, wasn't there
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a special rum that you guys got? [Dick] We got it from er Bundaberg [Michael] Yeah, was... [Dick] oh beautiful rum  a special rum that you guys got? [Dick] We got it from er Bundaberg [Michael] Yeah, was... [Dick] oh beautiful rum 
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[Michael]Was it OP rum something? [Dick] Over proof? Yeah, Oh beautiful it was [Michael] I've heard stories that it was [Michael]Was it OP rum something? [Dick] Over proof? Yeah, Oh beautiful it was [Michael] I've heard stories that it was
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pretty amazing pretty amazing
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A lot couldn't drink it neat, but I'm afraid I was used to it [laughs] A lot couldn't drink it neat, but I'm afraid I was used to it [laughs]
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I can tell you, when we get to Mawson, I'll tell you about our episode there, but no we I can tell you, when we get to Mawson, I'll tell you about our episode there, but no we
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had plenty of that's, there was some hard alcohol but not much because  had plenty of that's, there was some hard alcohol but not much because 
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the rum was ?dry enough? and er...what ...yeah that's the rum was ?dry enough? and er...what ...yeah that's
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Somebody had cigars I don't think they were supplied, I know I,  I've never been Somebody had cigars I don't think they were supplied, I know I,  I've never been
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a smoker, never had a smoker, never had
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a cigarette in my mouth, but then somebody picked me up one time when they were here and a cigarette in my mouth, but then somebody picked me up one time when they were here and
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anyway I was sitting at one of these parties with anyway I was sitting at one of these parties with
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the cigar out of my mouth [laughs] that was me, it's about the only time I ever had a the cigar out of my mouth [laughs] that was me, it's about the only time I ever had a
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but I don't know who supplied the cigars, erm... ginger beer was the other thing I come up with but I don't know who supplied the cigars, erm... ginger beer was the other thing I come up with
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they had that much ginger there, that I just, 'cause some doctor told me many years ago before I they had that much ginger there, that I just, 'cause some doctor told me many years ago before I
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went there-don't make home brewed ginger beers, no good for you, 'cause the ginger went there-don't make home brewed ginger beers, no good for you, 'cause the ginger
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goes to your tummy and grows there and it can make you sick but I made it...blew goes to your tummy and grows there and it can make you sick but I made it...blew
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a few bottles [laughs] Now what do you want Mawson? ...[Michael] Shall we a few bottles [laughs] Now what do you want Mawson? ...[Michael] Shall we
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have have
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a break for a second? No go onto Mawson? Okay, Mawson '55 [Dick] Yep...ah what an a break for a second? No go onto Mawson? Okay, Mawson '55 [Dick] Yep...ah what an
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experience it was ??? down there[Michael] So obviously Heard Island you really enjoyed it [Dick] oh yeah, [Michael] Did Phil ask you to experience it was ??? down there[Michael] So obviously Heard Island you really enjoyed it [Dick] oh yeah, [Michael] Did Phil ask you to
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to come back for '55 or did you put your hand up? [Dick] I put me to come back for '55 or did you put your hand up? [Dick] I put me
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hand up oh well he was wanting to make a group that was hand up oh well he was wanting to make a group that was
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good together, so I didn't mind old John, he was alright, there was Fred, Peter Shaw,  good together, so I didn't mind old John, he was alright, there was Fred, Peter Shaw, 
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there was there was
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a group that was... I'd say, and Leon... they were - yep I put me hand a group that was... I'd say, and Leon... they were - yep I put me hand
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up and er so off I go to Mawson, because you had to cook on the ship you were up and er so off I go to Mawson, because you had to cook on the ship you were
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supposed to. You don't now, nah you're waited hand and foot, no we had to cook supposed to. You don't now, nah you're waited hand and foot, no we had to cook
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we were supposed to cook on, but uh being a good man we were supposed to cook on, but uh being a good man
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a seaman, I got to know the Chief Steward didn't I, so I didn't do any cooking oh a seaman, I got to know the Chief Steward didn't I, so I didn't do any cooking oh
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Phil thought I was doing it, but eh [laughs] nuh, I got on with the Steward and I can tell you what Phil thought I was doing it, but eh [laughs] nuh, I got on with the Steward and I can tell you what
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the Danes have a nice apricot brandy [laughs] yeah, we got a the Danes have a nice apricot brandy [laughs] yeah, we got a
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ship to Mawson and when we got there, there was only what, Dovers and his crew of 12 men he ship to Mawson and when we got there, there was only what, Dovers and his crew of 12 men he
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managed to get up and because it was managed to get up and because it was
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a bit of shackles, um I was shown to the kitchen,... that was the bis... a bit of shackles, um I was shown to the kitchen,... that was the bis...
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And er the kitchen was one end of the hut... and they said you And er the kitchen was one end of the hut... and they said you
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sleep that side and I believe the carpenter was asked to sleep the other side with you. That's  sleep that side and I believe the carpenter was asked to sleep the other side with you. That's 
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alright we're going to sleep in there, the kitchen in the middle of us that's okay. We got alright we're going to sleep in there, the kitchen in the middle of us that's okay. We got
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another Argar stove to put together there, and er I made sure that the another Argar stove to put together there, and er I made sure that the
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hot water was put, the engineer was a good bloke, so we got it so that as much hot water we hot water was put, the engineer was a good bloke, so we got it so that as much hot water we
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get through in the time we'd have plenty hot water. Er and then the carpenter get through in the time we'd have plenty hot water. Er and then the carpenter
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well I told him if you want a drink we're going to have to have this cupboard well I told him if you want a drink we're going to have to have this cupboard
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for the brewing, so that cupboard got built, they were first things done [laughs]. for the brewing, so that cupboard got built, they were first things done [laughs].
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But when we got there again it was all dry food because people But when we got there again it was all dry food because people
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no sense and they didn't ask the experts that been to sea south and that  no sense and they didn't ask the experts that been to sea south and that 
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they just piled in cases and cases of eggs, potatoes, cabbages, they just piled in cases and cases of eggs, potatoes, cabbages,
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oh it, oh it,
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a lot of fresh food. It gets put in the hull and we head down south a lot of fresh food. It gets put in the hull and we head down south
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what happens?  It all freezes, you know, the eggs we could've saved what happens?  It all freezes, you know, the eggs we could've saved
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What was the other one I reckon - oh the potatoes we could have too if they had  What was the other one I reckon - oh the potatoes we could have too if they had 
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been properly put been properly put
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aside, because things didn't help much when they came ashore they were put there aside, because things didn't help much when they came ashore they were put there
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because the two of us, myself and um, I forget his name now, we were cooking for because the two of us, myself and um, I forget his name now, we were cooking for
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everybody ashore, so it meant we didn't know where half the stuff got packed. everybody ashore, so it meant we didn't know where half the stuff got packed.
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It was a bit of a loss, so we lost It was a bit of a loss, so we lost
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a lot of our froze[n], fresh stuff.  There was apples too I think they were alright, I could a lot of our froze[n], fresh stuff.  There was apples too I think they were alright, I could
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soon peel them  soon peel them 
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and cut 'em up and used them. The eggs uh, once an egg's frozen you can't do and cut 'em up and used them. The eggs uh, once an egg's frozen you can't do
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much with it, it's too watery....again so back to the powdered egg. much with it, it's too watery....again so back to the powdered egg.
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Still haven't got whites with them they have today, you can get the white now er, flour Still haven't got whites with them they have today, you can get the white now er, flour
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well all this stuff put out in the open. All our food stuff was out in the open well all this stuff put out in the open. All our food stuff was out in the open
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we had no fresh meat only what little bit we had left over from coming down we had no fresh meat only what little bit we had left over from coming down
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we bought that we bought that
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ashore, and but again I was lucky with the steward, he had 4 sheep there, hanging ashore, and but again I was lucky with the steward, he had 4 sheep there, hanging
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and he said "oh yeah" he said "oh you can have them" he says "I've got enough to get us back to Melbourne" and he said "oh yeah" he said "oh you can have them" he says "I've got enough to get us back to Melbourne"
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Bring them ashore yeah, take them ashore. How we going to keep 'em, can't hang 'em outside Bring them ashore yeah, take them ashore. How we going to keep 'em, can't hang 'em outside
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otherwise they'll start to smell too, oh we'll dig them into the glacier over there. otherwise they'll start to smell too, oh we'll dig them into the glacier over there.
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Everybody got in and dug a nice hole, laid the sheep out, covered them up, put 2 stakes in Everybody got in and dug a nice hole, laid the sheep out, covered them up, put 2 stakes in
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I think they might have I think they might have
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floated to sea by now. We for...,couldn't find where we'd put 'em, because somebody broke the  floated to sea by now. We for...,couldn't find where we'd put 'em, because somebody broke the 
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stakes or took the stakes, one or the other, because they were mucking around with the stakes or took the stakes, one or the other, because they were mucking around with the
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weasels, and up and down near where we had these sheep buried. And we know the dogs weasels, and up and down near where we had these sheep buried. And we know the dogs
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didn't get them, but um the cooking there was didn't get them, but um the cooking there was
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a little bit harder, because there was no seals and no birds to get the eggs, only a little bit harder, because there was no seals and no birds to get the eggs, only
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when the Gentoo come back in the winter-time and they um, come and nested, well they were when the Gentoo come back in the winter-time and they um, come and nested, well they were
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battling and we were battling, so we didn't get many of their, battling and we were battling, so we didn't get many of their,
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many of their eggs. Um, so we were many of their eggs. Um, so we were
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mainly down to the oh everything dry and mainly down to the oh everything dry and
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but we did end up with some of that, oh I don't know what...vitamin drink it was, an orange but we did end up with some of that, oh I don't know what...vitamin drink it was, an orange
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and you mixed it [Michael] Tang, Tang? [Dick] Tang, it was phewff it would be alright if you had and you mixed it [Michael] Tang, Tang? [Dick] Tang, it was phewff it would be alright if you had
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a ton of sugar with it,...it was just to sour, but we got through a bit of it a ton of sugar with it,...it was just to sour, but we got through a bit of it
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but um, and of course but um, and of course
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our rations, to go out and field trips, they had some Army rations for that our rations, to go out and field trips, they had some Army rations for that
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and of course everybody went for the condensed milk [laughs] ?cheap?, um the cooking side of it and of course everybody went for the condensed milk [laughs] ?cheap?, um the cooking side of it
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again we were back to all dried potatoes, dried this, dry that ... and 'cause it again we were back to all dried potatoes, dried this, dry that ... and 'cause it
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made things made things
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a little easier because I, by this time now, I knew how to and when to put stuff down to a little easier because I, by this time now, I knew how to and when to put stuff down to
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swell it up and not have it too long, um but we had swell it up and not have it too long, um but we had
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a fluke with that we got that flake a fluke with that we got that flake
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potato, which was not the powder it was flakey and you could do potato, which was not the powder it was flakey and you could do
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a lot with that. You didn't have to soak that, the thing is to mix it, a lot with that. You didn't have to soak that, the thing is to mix it,
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mix it and add stuff with it like a bit of dried onion, all that and then fry it all  mix it and add stuff with it like a bit of dried onion, all that and then fry it all 
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it come up good...u,.. There was another fried ah dry stuff it come up good...u,.. There was another fried ah dry stuff
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we got from somewhere, I think it was from Americans had it, I just forget what that we got from somewhere, I think it was from Americans had it, I just forget what that
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was. Yeah...but again we go back to the stable diet plenty of cake, biscuits- biscuits was. Yeah...but again we go back to the stable diet plenty of cake, biscuits- biscuits
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we went through [Michael] Did you have to make you own biscuits? [Dick] I made 'em. [Michael] Did they supply you with biscuits as well?[Dick] Oh Army biscuits, we went through [Michael] Did you have to make you own biscuits? [Dick] I made 'em. [Michael] Did they supply you with biscuits as well?[Dick] Oh Army biscuits,
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you ever lived in the Army? [Michael] Not really no. [Dick] Oh, they're like rocks [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] you gotta suck and suck and you ever lived in the Army? [Michael] Not really no. [Dick] Oh, they're like rocks [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] you gotta suck and suck and
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chew and chew on them. Um, and I mean there-there you can chew and chew on them. Um, and I mean there-there you can
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soak 'em for hours and they still don't come good. So the old ANZAC soak 'em for hours and they still don't come good. So the old ANZAC
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So you had rolled Oats [Michael] Yeah, yeah..ANZAC's are good [Dick] so plenty of honey So you had rolled Oats [Michael] Yeah, yeah..ANZAC's are good [Dick] so plenty of honey
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What did we have, treacle [Michael] So yeah, did you used to make yours with honey or with treacle? [Dick] I used the What did we have, treacle [Michael] So yeah, did you used to make yours with honey or with treacle? [Dick] I used the
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treacle. [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] It's not  treacle. [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] It's not 
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a good system because golden syrup's better, but somebody made a good system because golden syrup's better, but somebody made
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a, well er... George he said somebody ordered the wrong stuff, a, well er... George he said somebody ordered the wrong stuff,
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it wasn't to be treacle it was to be golden syrup because it's it wasn't to be treacle it was to be golden syrup because it's
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a better thing, you can do a better thing, you can do
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a lot with anything with the syrup but, again... you'd buy, oh and the a lot with anything with the syrup but, again... you'd buy, oh and the
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other thing they forgot to order was other thing they forgot to order was
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baking powder and one of the worst things is mixing your own baking powder, if you don't  baking powder and one of the worst things is mixing your own baking powder, if you don't 
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get it right-you don't get it right.  You had to have the right scales, well I had one of these get it right-you don't get it right.  You had to have the right scales, well I had one of these
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I was just lucky when they shut, er Heard, I grabbed ah old scales that I was just lucky when they shut, er Heard, I grabbed ah old scales that
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the biologist used to use and they're really good, so I had these and the weights and that, and they worked out the biologist used to use and they're really good, so I had these and the weights and that, and they worked out
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right the thing you never made too many mistakes, the trouble was sieving it, right the thing you never made too many mistakes, the trouble was sieving it,
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and er you have to sieve and sieve if you want to make and er you have to sieve and sieve if you want to make
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a good skay, scones, but I always gave 'em scones and morning tea when they come in, and there was a good skay, scones, but I always gave 'em scones and morning tea when they come in, and there was
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always biscuits for them anytime... Er... what else? always biscuits for them anytime... Er... what else?
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You had to depend on our wit there You had to depend on our wit there
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as a cook you did, you can't,  you've got plenty of time to as a cook you did, you can't,  you've got plenty of time to
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fill yourself in because you've got the brewery going [Michael] yeah, yep fill yourself in because you've got the brewery going [Michael] yeah, yep
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Again I was lucky, I went on 3 field trips, I think it was, 3 or 4 and I went with Again I was lucky, I went on 3 field trips, I think it was, 3 or 4 and I went with
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Leon and the dogs to the King- the Emperor Penguins that we Leon and the dogs to the King- the Emperor Penguins that we
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found up at the Austin thing, I went up there with him and I went with John and that found up at the Austin thing, I went up there with him and I went with John and that
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up to the mountains laying a... laying a... track for them to up to the mountains laying a... laying a... track for them to
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go later on. Er, ...What was the other one? I went on one other go later on. Er, ...What was the other one? I went on one other
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but I got out a lot and walked wherever I could, you always had your but I got out a lot and walked wherever I could, you always had your
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break but I er and of course I had to do me night shift didn't I? [Michael] What was that? break but I er and of course I had to do me night shift didn't I? [Michael] What was that?
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Oh I had to stoke the fires in the sleeping huts, Oh I had to stoke the fires in the sleeping huts,
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do a Met thing, that's why the weather when I was there, I knew when I was do a Met thing, that's why the weather when I was there, I knew when I was
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there because the weather in Melbourne was always crook [laughter] that's what I say, but there because the weather in Melbourne was always crook [laughter] that's what I say, but
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no but we had to read the weather and write it down and write up what clouds no but we had to read the weather and write it down and write up what clouds
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oh yeah that's a cloud that'll do [laughs] But um,.. what was the other thing oh yeah that's a cloud that'll do [laughs] But um,.. what was the other thing
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we had to do on night? ...wait...oh we had to start the motor to get the power going we had to do on night? ...wait...oh we had to start the motor to get the power going
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for morning. and you had to...[Michael] So they also wouldn't leave the generator  for morning. and you had to...[Michael] So they also wouldn't leave the generator 
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throughout the night.  Did it switch off at 9 and keep ? [Dick] Oh no, no you chopped it off at 9 o'clock.  I think the  throughout the night.  Did it switch off at 9 and keep ? [Dick] Oh no, no you chopped it off at 9 o'clock.  I think the 
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 latest it went was if the movies were on, 10 o'clock 'd be the latest. [Michael] So you had  latest it went was if the movies were on, 10 o'clock 'd be the latest. [Michael] So you had
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 movies too? [Dick] Oh, yeah [Michael] You had a movie night yeah? [Dick] Oh we  movies too? [Dick] Oh, yeah [Michael] You had a movie night yeah? [Dick] Oh we
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had our movie nights..oh gees, oh we had them on Heard too [Michael] Wow [Dick] And the same, that's the only had our movie nights..oh gees, oh we had them on Heard too [Michael] Wow [Dick] And the same, that's the only
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disappointing part, we took what we had at Heard to Mawson! [Michael] Oh, the same movies? [Dick] We'd already seen  disappointing part, we took what we had at Heard to Mawson! [Michael] Oh, the same movies? [Dick] We'd already seen 
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these movies over and over in the.. and we had the, and then the ABC these movies over and over in the.. and we had the, and then the ABC
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they made that big thing of...oh what was it now? ...It was one of their  they made that big thing of...oh what was it now? ...It was one of their 
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plays.  Every Sunday night we'd, as young people, we used to listen to the radio plays.  Every Sunday night we'd, as young people, we used to listen to the radio
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with this play, I just forget what it was...um at any rate with this play, I just forget what it was...um at any rate
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they sent tapes and tapes of this and we couldn't play it because we didn't have they sent tapes and tapes of this and we couldn't play it because we didn't have
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the proper gramophone thing [Michael] Oh, okay [Dick] we, it was ???? 30 or 33, I think or something the proper gramophone thing [Michael] Oh, okay [Dick] we, it was ???? 30 or 33, I think or something
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and even the radio chap couldn't modify ours to get it moving? and even the radio chap couldn't modify ours to get it moving?
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a big copy of them... What was the other one they? But mainly a lot of us a big copy of them... What was the other one they? But mainly a lot of us
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played er good arguments, 6 people. You know what the best argument played er good arguments, 6 people. You know what the best argument
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thing is? Monopoly [Michael] Oh yeah. [Dick]That monopoly board, oh you dare not touch it thing is? Monopoly [Michael] Oh yeah. [Dick]That monopoly board, oh you dare not touch it
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oh, if it couldn't be finished that night it was left on the table and everybody knew what oh, if it couldn't be finished that night it was left on the table and everybody knew what
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oh..[Michael] Yeah oh wow [Dick] This was, and they- there was a good library, there was a oh..[Michael] Yeah oh wow [Dick] This was, and they- there was a good library, there was a
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a good library but um again I as the a good library but um again I as the
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cook, the skill, the skills were in what you could do with what you had, but I cook, the skill, the skills were in what you could do with what you had, but I
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done alright I thought there, well I'd done alright, must've [laughs] they all came back done alright I thought there, well I'd done alright, must've [laughs] they all came back
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healthy and they didn't die any, none of them died no, had no sick [Michael] They've all said very healthy and they didn't die any, none of them died no, had no sick [Michael] They've all said very
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nice things, which is good.  They've all said very nice things [Dick] Uh, under, ah, yeah to you they might of but nice things, which is good.  They've all said very nice things [Dick] Uh, under, ah, yeah to you they might of but
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otherwise, I've been cooking too long to know what. otherwise, I've been cooking too long to know what.
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Well that's much of it -I can tell you about Mawson, it was just the same as, to me Well that's much of it -I can tell you about Mawson, it was just the same as, to me
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Mawson and Heard were virtually...[Michael] Did you guys have hydroponics while you were down there at all? [Dick] No [Michael] No, you didn't start any of that? Mawson and Heard were virtually...[Michael] Did you guys have hydroponics while you were down there at all? [Dick] No [Michael] No, you didn't start any of that?
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We could've We could've
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grown 'em there's no doubt, because I've got photographs and people -amazed.  I've got a photograph grown 'em there's no doubt, because I've got photographs and people -amazed.  I've got a photograph
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some of our blokes in front of the aluminium hut with no shirts on and sunbathing some of our blokes in front of the aluminium hut with no shirts on and sunbathing
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[Michael] Yes, yes. [Dick] Uh.. There's no doubt you can do it, even in the, in the winter time [Michael] Yes, yes. [Dick] Uh.. There's no doubt you can do it, even in the, in the winter time
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and what I know now you would've grown, could've grown them inside the huts, if you can grow marijuana inside and what I know now you would've grown, could've grown them inside the huts, if you can grow marijuana inside
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a huts, but your power wouldn't take the,  see you'd be drawing too much,  in our a huts, but your power wouldn't take the,  see you'd be drawing too much,  in our
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time we only had the one generator which was enough time we only had the one generator which was enough
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and a backup one...but other than that you could have grown 'em, there's and a backup one...but other than that you could have grown 'em, there's
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no doubt. But see there's no plant life or anything that you'd  live off of it no doubt. But see there's no plant life or anything that you'd  live off of it
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but, you were kept... [Michael] So, so when you'd actually prepared the meals did you have like a but, you were kept... [Michael] So, so when you'd actually prepared the meals did you have like a
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oh now days we have a Bay Marie, they put everything in the Bay Marie, help themselves or did you just leave it in the pot and they all come and grab what they  [Dick] Nah, oh now days we have a Bay Marie, they put everything in the Bay Marie, help themselves or did you just leave it in the pot and they all come and grab what they  [Dick] Nah,
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[Michael] wanted?  You just dished up  [Michael] wanted?  You just dished up 
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'Hey boys tea...there it is, help yourself.' [Michael] Okay, yep.  [Dick] On the stove because the Aga 'Hey boys tea...there it is, help yourself.' [Michael] Okay, yep.  [Dick] On the stove because the Aga
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you can cut right back and keep it warm in parts, or in the oven to keep it warm you can cut right back and keep it warm in parts, or in the oven to keep it warm
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No we got no Bay Marie's or anything like that [Michael] Oh, you should see it down there now days No we got no Bay Marie's or anything like that [Michael] Oh, you should see it down there now days
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Seen photographs that's enough. Well Casey's only being built as Seen photographs that's enough. Well Casey's only being built as
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a tourist, as soon as they allow the tourist in fully, you can't tell me they've built a tourist, as soon as they allow the tourist in fully, you can't tell me they've built
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that 3 story building for nothing. Government's not that stu..oh sorry the government is stupid! that 3 story building for nothing. Government's not that stu..oh sorry the government is stupid!
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But no, it's.. everything was spot on I-I-I always pride myself But no, it's.. everything was spot on I-I-I always pride myself
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on that, I was always on time. I think I might have been late once and that was on that, I was always on time. I think I might have been late once and that was
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only because the stove played up or something or the wind went the wrong way with  only because the stove played up or something or the wind went the wrong way with 
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the draft or ...[Michael] Isn't it amazing that we chefs get 3 deadlines a day and they've got 1 for the draft or ...[Michael] Isn't it amazing that we chefs get 3 deadlines a day and they've got 1 for
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winter at all [both laugh]Yeah, yep.  [Dick] Yeah, yep that's er um but then winter at all [both laugh]Yeah, yep.  [Dick] Yeah, yep that's er um but then
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after that I can't tell you much more about Macquarie because Macquarie is after that I can't tell you much more about Macquarie because Macquarie is
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not Macquarie, Mawson and Heard were well you know, virtually the same. not Macquarie, Mawson and Heard were well you know, virtually the same.
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Now about Macquarie this is the, you ever been there as Now about Macquarie this is the, you ever been there as
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a chef? [Michael] Yes, I had a winter there and it was fantastic [Dick] I had a fantastic .. we were there a bit over the a chef? [Michael] Yes, I had a winter there and it was fantastic [Dick] I had a fantastic .. we were there a bit over the
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12 months ?I'd got?? but any rate. This was an experience of a 12 months ?I'd got?? but any rate. This was an experience of a
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a lifetime here we had 4 Americans to start with. a lifetime here we had 4 Americans to start with.
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We had We had
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a doctor, he'd just come from Europe somewhere, had no faith in him whatsoever, nobody did a doctor, he'd just come from Europe somewhere, had no faith in him whatsoever, nobody did
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he-he wasn't that stupid in the end but any rate he was a loner he-he wasn't that stupid in the end but any rate he was a loner
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I had I had
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a good kitchen there. On the back of oh that - in 62 a good kitchen there. On the back of oh that - in 62
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there's there's
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the big one long hut and one end of it was the kitchen right across this hut, the big one long hut and one end of it was the kitchen right across this hut,
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a really big kitchen. Well-well equipped and of course we had fowls there, a really big kitchen. Well-well equipped and of course we had fowls there,
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things called chooks. Um, but you never got the eggs because the skuas  things called chooks. Um, but you never got the eggs because the skuas 
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quicker than you could. Ah..um we had quicker than you could. Ah..um we had
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a big day freeze in one of those Nissan huts. It was as long as a Nissan hut, the deep freeze a big day freeze in one of those Nissan huts. It was as long as a Nissan hut, the deep freeze
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was, was it still there or put they were going to put in was, was it still there or put they were going to put in
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a proper fridgerator? [Michael] We had, we had uh we had a proper fridgerator? [Michael] We had, we had uh we had
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a proper, big square freezer as big as a lounge, and then we had a proper, big square freezer as big as a lounge, and then we had
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a cool-room as well [Dick] Oh shit, [Michael] For storing all our potatoes and apples in and onions and then there was another room in the a cool-room as well [Dick] Oh shit, [Michael] For storing all our potatoes and apples in and onions and then there was another room in the
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middle that was just for dry goods because we had problems with  middle that was just for dry goods because we had problems with 
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the rats you see, the rats 'd get into everything [Dick] Oh they never  the rats you see, the rats 'd get into everything [Dick] Oh they never 
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bothered us when we were there [Michael] We had to make sure the doors were shut all the time, they couldn't get in there and get our bothered us when we were there [Michael] We had to make sure the doors were shut all the time, they couldn't get in there and get our
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knock our stuff off. [Dick] They never knocked mine off, I made sure that. [laughter] Somebody had knock our stuff off. [Dick] They never knocked mine off, I made sure that. [laughter] Somebody had
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a lot of rat traps and everything there and I set 'em  I'm bloody, they wouldn't... [Michael] I did the same a lot of rat traps and everything there and I set 'em  I'm bloody, they wouldn't... [Michael] I did the same
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[Dick]Well, the Nissan hut, oh no it probably would've been painted? [Michael] There, there were still some Nissan huts left [Dick]Well, the Nissan hut, oh no it probably would've been painted? [Michael] There, there were still some Nissan huts left
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there, but they were the tradies' Nissan huts, one was for the plumber, one was for the chippy there, but they were the tradies' Nissan huts, one was for the plumber, one was for the chippy
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One when I was there was by, but one of those huts I painted pink and One when I was there was by, but one of those huts I painted pink and
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it stopped for at least 3 or 4 years pink one [laughs] because...Phil it stopped for at least 3 or 4 years pink one [laughs] because...Phil
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Law said that they're, people have been letting them go over the years and he wanted  Law said that they're, people have been letting them go over the years and he wanted 
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them painted, but somebody forgot to send the paints, didn't they, proper paints, and er them painted, but somebody forgot to send the paints, didn't they, proper paints, and er
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?seeya?, he said to everybody one night in the dining room he says 'oh somebody's got to ?seeya?, he said to everybody one night in the dining room he says 'oh somebody's got to
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paint one of these Nissan huts', he said 'with something,' he said 'I don't care but it's got paint one of these Nissan huts', he said 'with something,' he said 'I don't care but it's got
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to be painted. So I put my hand up I said 'Oh, I'll have a go at that one' to be painted. So I put my hand up I said 'Oh, I'll have a go at that one'
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Any rate when I went for the paint there was nothing, but there was lots of bits and pieces of Any rate when I went for the paint there was nothing, but there was lots of bits and pieces of
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this paint, red lead everything [Michael] Yeah [Dick] and so I said to him 'Oh I'm going to mix up my paint' and this paint, red lead everything [Michael] Yeah [Dick] and so I said to him 'Oh I'm going to mix up my paint' and
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gawd, when they seen it, and I laughed because that hut hadn't been touched like that probably gawd, when they seen it, and I laughed because that hut hadn't been touched like that probably
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been pulled down now..but any rate, that's getting away from the cooking.  No when we went been pulled down now..but any rate, that's getting away from the cooking.  No when we went
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there, they had this big long thing that you'd, it's like there, they had this big long thing that you'd, it's like
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a coffin, aw we, I thought they were gunna hope that we all die and they were going to put us all in it, any a coffin, aw we, I thought they were gunna hope that we all die and they were going to put us all in it, any
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rate all our fresh meat came ashore there er we still got potatoes and all that, well we were, we rate all our fresh meat came ashore there er we still got potatoes and all that, well we were, we
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held on to them for nearly 12 months without fo.. anything 'cause  kept them in a hut there held on to them for nearly 12 months without fo.. anything 'cause  kept them in a hut there
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never seemed to interfere, never seemed to interfere,
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eggs were the things, they weren't fresh enough, I blamed whoever, a lot of them went eggs were the things, they weren't fresh enough, I blamed whoever, a lot of them went
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a a
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bit high, or they were close to it, but we still done well because the bird life there's lovely bit high, or they were close to it, but we still done well because the bird life there's lovely
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meaning you could get a lot of eggs, um and meaning you could get a lot of eggs, um and
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again we still eat seal.  I got the hearts and that um... again we still eat seal.  I got the hearts and that um...
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had a good brewery going again, uh yes good brewery. had a good brewery going again, uh yes good brewery.
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That's right, that Doctor, he was a smarty he knew how to That's right, that Doctor, he was a smarty he knew how to
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brew too I reckon but we still had brew too I reckon but we still had
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a bit of cloud in it and we couldn't work out how, because I'd never had this little bit of a bit of cloud in it and we couldn't work out how, because I'd never had this little bit of
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a cloud in it and he said, asked me what I was filtering it through and  I said 'I got those a cloud in it and he said, asked me what I was filtering it through and  I said 'I got those
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washers - for your hands and that'  I said 'And I just wash them and dry them and clean them up that way' washers - for your hands and that'  I said 'And I just wash them and dry them and clean them up that way'
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He said, 'Oh,' he said 'look go down the beach up there,' he said 'I seen some nice black He said, 'Oh,' he said 'look go down the beach up there,' he said 'I seen some nice black
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 sand' he said, 'get that, wash it with fresh water and everything, and put  sand' he said, 'get that, wash it with fresh water and everything, and put
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a rag or something around it, and let your booze go through that.' Boy was that Toohey's,  a rag or something around it, and let your booze go through that.' Boy was that Toohey's, 
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Toohey's beer it was, oh,[Michael] Yeah? [Dick] he was right, beautiful, again, I liked it,  Toohey's beer it was, oh,[Michael] Yeah? [Dick] he was right, beautiful, again, I liked it, 
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but because I didn't mind making it because it helped my bread too and again we but because I didn't mind making it because it helped my bread too and again we
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had the Agar stoves, they're alright but [Michael]What were they running on? The Agar had the Agar stoves, they're alright but [Michael]What were they running on? The Agar
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And when you got to  cart those bags of Coke, oh [Michael] Yeah [Dick] Oh...Geez, that's a hard job [Michael] How big were the And when you got to  cart those bags of Coke, oh [Michael] Yeah [Dick] Oh...Geez, that's a hard job [Michael] How big were the
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bags of Coke? How much were they? [Dick] I suppose they're weighing in about 25, 30 kilo,  but it's not the c, at it's the dust bags of Coke? How much were they? [Dick] I suppose they're weighing in about 25, 30 kilo,  but it's not the c, at it's the dust
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that comes out of it. [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] I should be suing them now, I got a spot on me lungs that comes out of it. [Michael] Yeah, yeah [Dick] I should be suing them now, I got a spot on me lungs
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and we don't know, but I put it down to flour work, worked the bake houses and we don't know, but I put it down to flour work, worked the bake houses
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for a long while, but anyway we get back to this Macquarie Island...so we used to for a long while, but anyway we get back to this Macquarie Island...so we used to
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to use the cabbage there because I learnt how to handle that stuff to use the cabbage there because I learnt how to handle that stuff
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and there was this other little root, it was very nice, like a - like a onion, and there was this other little root, it was very nice, like a - like a onion,
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onions thing, it was up the back of the onions thing, it was up the back of the
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the ... on the south, south, at the kitchen, this end of the island where the the ... on the south, south, at the kitchen, this end of the island where the
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station was there. The huts were there, and you went up Wireless Hill [Michael] Wireless Hill North East.. station was there. The huts were there, and you went up Wireless Hill [Michael] Wireless Hill North East..
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And it come up alright, nobody knocked it back [Michael] Pleurophyllum? had the, like broccoli looking  And it come up alright, nobody knocked it back [Michael] Pleurophyllum? had the, like broccoli looking 
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heads on it? [Dick] Yeah that's... yeah like broccoli [Michael] Yeah heads on it? [Dick] Yeah that's... yeah like broccoli [Michael] Yeah
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It was -I don't know what it was, never killed any of us, it was alright because I used It was -I don't know what it was, never killed any of us, it was alright because I used
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a bit of sugar it came because everything was bitter down, but anyway we got these 4 a bit of sugar it came because everything was bitter down, but anyway we got these 4
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Americans, oh boy [Michael] Now how come you ended up with 4 Americans? [Dick] They were doing these big balloons, Americans, oh boy [Michael] Now how come you ended up with 4 Americans? [Dick] They were doing these big balloons,
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they were situated around the world and took everybody on the station to get these big they were situated around the world and took everybody on the station to get these big
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things into the air.  Any rate they were going crook this and that, tired of this tired of  things into the air.  Any rate they were going crook this and that, tired of this tired of 
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that.  At any rate one of them let go that they loved bullocks' hearts and that.  At any rate one of them let go that they loved bullocks' hearts and
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I thought back to this, yeah when I was in America you'd always be able to get a nice heart I thought back to this, yeah when I was in America you'd always be able to get a nice heart
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so I thought yep, I'll fix them, 'cause I had the 303 didn't I? so I thought yep, I'll fix them, 'cause I had the 303 didn't I?
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Seal didn't matter on that place, we didn't have nowhere to feed it and made sure that it was killed close to  Seal didn't matter on that place, we didn't have nowhere to feed it and made sure that it was killed close to 
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the water so it could roll back. So off I go and I kill 2 of them. Got the heart out, got the liver out. the water so it could roll back. So off I go and I kill 2 of them. Got the heart out, got the liver out.
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Those blokes I'll teach 'em.  Took a bit longer and got a nice bit of meat out of it, so back I go, Those blokes I'll teach 'em.  Took a bit longer and got a nice bit of meat out of it, so back I go,
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sneak up...I cooked the heart  sneak up...I cooked the heart 
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and I put the other parts to the side. Oh, they swore that was beautiful. and I put the other parts to the side. Oh, they swore that was beautiful.
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That was alright I thought, oh well, we go back to the normal eating and er the I knew they That was alright I thought, oh well, we go back to the normal eating and er the I knew they
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liked duck. So I shot out, and got these penguins, brought 'em back liked duck. So I shot out, and got these penguins, brought 'em back
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took 'em in and skinned them, out of sight of everybody, because you know people do talk took 'em in and skinned them, out of sight of everybody, because you know people do talk
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so I skinned them and done 'em the German way I did, with plenty of apricots, so I skinned them and done 'em the German way I did, with plenty of apricots,
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prunes, anything, any of that sort of stuff.  Baked them, put 'em out, prunes, anything, any of that sort of stuff.  Baked them, put 'em out,
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the Yanks ploughed into 'em, besides me own blokes too, and er, any rate the Yanks ploughed into 'em, besides me own blokes too, and er, any rate
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we're all finished and we're sitting around talking as we did after meals and of course we're all finished and we're sitting around talking as we did after meals and of course
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one of the smart Yanks woke up to something.  He helped pack the meat into the one of the smart Yanks woke up to something.  He helped pack the meat into the
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freezer, he said 'I don't remember ducks going in there'. He said, and I,  he said 'we had  freezer, he said 'I don't remember ducks going in there'. He said, and I,  he said 'we had 
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hearts the other,' said 'I didn't see any offal go in.' [laughs] Caught you haven't I? hearts the other,' said 'I didn't see any offal go in.' [laughs] Caught you haven't I?
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Because they reckoned they wouldn't eat any. Oh they would've cut me throat but I tell you what Because they reckoned they wouldn't eat any. Oh they would've cut me throat but I tell you what
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when they went back to America I got when they went back to America I got
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a beautiful book sent from the university to me from 'em. [Michael] Oh nice [Dick] I sent back 'thank a beautiful book sent from the university to me from 'em. [Michael] Oh nice [Dick] I sent back 'thank
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you. I will learn to cook properly next time you come.' [laughter] But that, that's one of the you. I will learn to cook properly next time you come.' [laughter] But that, that's one of the
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things you can catch anybody, if they don't know it's, if they know, they're things you can catch anybody, if they don't know it's, if they know, they're
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frightened to try it, if they don't know they'll try it [Michael] Yep [Dick] You know frightened to try it, if they don't know they'll try it [Michael] Yep [Dick] You know
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But um Macquarie Island well, again I was lucky with the CO But um Macquarie Island well, again I was lucky with the CO
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again. I shot all the, as much as I could. I know they're still trying to get rid of  again. I shot all the, as much as I could. I know they're still trying to get rid of 
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rats and that. [Michael] You, you were saying before there was still some goats and pigs on the island when you got there? [Dick] Yeah I got rid of  rats and that. [Michael] You, you were saying before there was still some goats and pigs on the island when you got there? [Dick] Yeah I got rid of 
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the goats, oh I got rid of them [Michael] They were feral? [Dick] Feral. Oh this billy goat I think it the goats, oh I got rid of them [Michael] They were feral? [Dick] Feral. Oh this billy goat I think it
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took me over 2 months to stalk him till I woke up to him. I got up wind of him took me over 2 months to stalk him till I woke up to him. I got up wind of him
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and he didn't get me smell properly. And I just sat and waited for him,  I knew he'd come there and he didn't get me smell properly. And I just sat and waited for him,  I knew he'd come there
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he did this day ...so he did this day ...so
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he went into the sea. [Michael] Yeah [Dick] Other to get. The pigs he went into the sea. [Michael] Yeah [Dick] Other to get. The pigs
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had been there too long, I don't know whether you heard about the bull they kept had been there too long, I don't know whether you heard about the bull they kept
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using as using as
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a pet and nobody'd kill it. And I I was gunna kill it a pet and nobody'd kill it. And I I was gunna kill it
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and I said 'why should I?'  I've done one job.  Getting rid of walking the island and I said 'why should I?'  I've done one job.  Getting rid of walking the island
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killing animals, I killed the pigs.  Because you couldn't kill, you wouldn't be able to eat killing animals, I killed the pigs.  Because you couldn't kill, you wouldn't be able to eat
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the cow, it's full of arthritis, it was just crawling around, it was a shame. the cow, it's full of arthritis, it was just crawling around, it was a shame.
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Any of you others want to, you can, but I'm not.  I'm going to look after the pigs Any of you others want to, you can, but I'm not.  I'm going to look after the pigs
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that's what I did [Michael] So did you actually use the meat from the goat or the pigs [Dick] Oh yeah, no, no [Michael] Or you just [Dick] no we had that's what I did [Michael] So did you actually use the meat from the goat or the pigs [Dick] Oh yeah, no, no [Michael] Or you just [Dick] no we had
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sheep there.  That was the other thing, that's right, that's why I copped it too sheep there.  That was the other thing, that's right, that's why I copped it too
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because we had to,  they had to get these sheep in, they hadn't been shorn for 2 because we had to,  they had to get these sheep in, they hadn't been shorn for 2
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years and 'cause silly me, I said I'll be able to do that no trouble but we've years and 'cause silly me, I said I'll be able to do that no trouble but we've
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got no shears we got a hand shear out there geez you wouldn't have cut your finger on it so got no shears we got a hand shear out there geez you wouldn't have cut your finger on it so
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we got them and I shore 'em all.  It was a waste of time it was better to kill  we got them and I shore 'em all.  It was a waste of time it was better to kill 
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'em, skin 'em and eat the meat 'cause we got all the wool and I was going to make 'em, skin 'em and eat the meat 'cause we got all the wool and I was going to make
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a few bob.  Get 'em back to Australia and they wouldn't let us land 'em. Well they landed them a few bob.  Get 'em back to Australia and they wouldn't let us land 'em. Well they landed them
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but I don't know what Customs done with them in the end, I'd like to know, it's like but I don't know what Customs done with them in the end, I'd like to know, it's like
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our um...that's right and I bought ah fur seals back our um...that's right and I bought ah fur seals back
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[Michael] The skins of the fur Seals you bought those back? Yeah? [Dick] They were salted down and everything [Michael] And they took them off you? [Dick] Yep [Michael] The skins of the fur Seals you bought those back? Yeah? [Dick] They were salted down and everything [Michael] And they took them off you? [Dick] Yep
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Yeah and of course now they got, you can't do that sort of thing because the Tasmanian Yeah and of course now they got, you can't do that sort of thing because the Tasmanian
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Government will shoot you. [Michael] Yes, they're very strict bringing anything back now [Dick] No we had sheep to Government will shoot you. [Michael] Yes, they're very strict bringing anything back now [Dick] No we had sheep to
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eat there [Michael] Wekas? The Wekas were still running around? [Dick] They were wethers [Michael] Wethers?  [Dick]  I think they were eat there [Michael] Wekas? The Wekas were still running around? [Dick] They were wethers [Michael] Wethers?  [Dick]  I think they were
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wethers yeah, there were no rams amongst us. [Michael] No, Wekas, wethers yeah, there were no rams amongst us. [Michael] No, Wekas,
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the little birds? [Dick] Oh no they weren't there [Michael] No [Dick] They just come back I believe the little birds? [Dick] Oh no they weren't there [Michael] No [Dick] They just come back I believe
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no um.... Oh wait there....yeah...I think there was a no um.... Oh wait there....yeah...I think there was a
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a little bird around ...no, no there was a little bird around ...no, no there was
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ah chooks that run around the back door and the skuas [Michael] Cats? [Dick] Cats..you ah chooks that run around the back door and the skuas [Michael] Cats? [Dick] Cats..you
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mean little tigers. [Michael] Yeah. [Dick] Oh there's some big ones, I got one one day and he was about that long mean little tigers. [Michael] Yeah. [Dick] Oh there's some big ones, I got one one day and he was about that long
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and about that high oh [Michael] Far out!  [Dick] he had a beautiful fur on him. and about that high oh [Michael] Far out!  [Dick] he had a beautiful fur on him.
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Where is he?  Seal's are eating him, but oh there's some big cats there. Where is he?  Seal's are eating him, but oh there's some big cats there.
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They reckon they've beat the cats now, it's the rabbits that are the problem They reckon they've beat the cats now, it's the rabbits that are the problem
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but um they'll never get rid of the rats I don't think, they might. See but um they'll never get rid of the rats I don't think, they might. See
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your rats,  they've got plagues and they've got a tendency to get under  your rats,  they've got plagues and they've got a tendency to get under 
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ground and lay dormant 12 months or more. See we got that plague coming through ground and lay dormant 12 months or more. See we got that plague coming through
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here now. You're lucky in Tasmania you shouldn't have a rat on the place except here now. You're lucky in Tasmania you shouldn't have a rat on the place except
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a pol-politician [Michael] Yes, there's a few of them.[Dick] But er [Michael] Shall we have a break?  a pol-politician [Michael] Yes, there's a few of them.[Dick] But er [Michael] Shall we have a break? 
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I've a dry throught I've a dry throught