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Ingrid McGaughey and I'm following up with my conversation with George Casasayas Ingrid McGaughey and I'm following up with my conversation with George Casasayas
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He was an observer on Macquarie Island in 1959. The date is the 16th of August 2011. George, we're He was an observer on Macquarie Island in 1959. The date is the 16th of August 2011. George, we're
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just having a talk about some of your trips down the island, can you tell me just having a talk about some of your trips down the island, can you tell me
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a little bit about the field huts at Bauer Bay and   a little bit about the field huts at Bauer Bay and  
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Lusitania Bay?  [ George ] [clears throat] Those days it was a-an abandoned hut at Brothers left over from the Lusitania Bay?  [ George ] [clears throat] Those days it was a-an abandoned hut at Brothers left over from the
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sealers - not usable,  just to demolish the whole thing. sealers - not usable,  just to demolish the whole thing.
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And lots of empty broken glass bottles, clay pipes - and some damaged,  And lots of empty broken glass bottles, clay pipes - and some damaged, 
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some not. And with  some not. And with 
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a bit of patience, people could have found little things there but, ah, that were left there.  Sealers a bit of patience, people could have found little things there but, ah, that were left there.  Sealers
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implements, there were these big cauldrons - cast-iron cauldrons - where they used to boil the blubber. implements, there were these big cauldrons - cast-iron cauldrons - where they used to boil the blubber.
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They were there. I don't know whatever happens because they were awfully heavy things. That They were there. I don't know whatever happens because they were awfully heavy things. That
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hut was useless. That -going away from the camp up Gadgets Gully and the plateau, you hut was useless. That -going away from the camp up Gadgets Gully and the plateau, you
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could look down to Greens Gorge. It was at 1st acceptable hut. Was could look down to Greens Gorge. It was at 1st acceptable hut. Was
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a good hut. Nice place. Clean and liveable. Uh, a bit further a good hut. Nice place. Clean and liveable. Uh, a bit further
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along the coast was Lusitania Bay.  There was there- a gigantic along the coast was Lusitania Bay.  There was there- a gigantic
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King penguin rookery and there was  that big box, King penguin rookery and there was  that big box,
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a container, on the ship, had been dropped there. That was dirty, filthy and there were a container, on the ship, had been dropped there. That was dirty, filthy and there were
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rats, not many, but there were rats. I've never stayed there, passed through it. [Ingrid] Was that rats, not many, but there were rats. I've never stayed there, passed through it. [Ingrid] Was that
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[Ingrid] called Uncle Phil's cabin on the outside then or- [ George] No. [ Ingrid ] -  that name had gone? [Ingrid] called Uncle Phil's cabin on the outside then or- [ George] No. [ Ingrid ] -  that name had gone?
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I've never heard of Uncle Phil's Cabin. And then going further, there was uh Hurd Point. I've never heard of Uncle Phil's Cabin. And then going further, there was uh Hurd Point.
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Hurd Point was quite a metropolis because there was a storage hut, was a Hurd Point was quite a metropolis because there was a storage hut, was a
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a radio hut ?Fort Knox? and there was a power hut. Lots of little huts - scattered. There a radio hut ?Fort Knox? and there was a power hut. Lots of little huts - scattered. There
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was  to have them scattered so in case of fire. One burns, it doesn't pass into the  was  to have them scattered so in case of fire. One burns, it doesn't pass into the 
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others. That's what  they do for most like that, separate little things. [Ingrid] So what others. That's what  they do for most like that, separate little things. [Ingrid] So what
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were those huts made out of? [George] Uh, plywood,  were those huts made out of? [George] Uh, plywood, 
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a bit of weatherboard but mostly panels of plywood. The frames, the frames, I,I  helped a bit of weatherboard but mostly panels of plywood. The frames, the frames, I,I  helped
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to build when we went to Tottenham, built flat on the floor. 8 feet by 8 feet with joists and to build when we went to Tottenham, built flat on the floor. 8 feet by 8 feet with joists and
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?studs? and the whole thing rigid. And every frame, 2 people could carry this frame but ?studs? and the whole thing rigid. And every frame, 2 people could carry this frame but
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A frame. 8 feet by 8 feet. 8 feet high, 8 feet wide . And they were put on a platform. The platform had to be A frame. 8 feet by 8 feet. 8 feet high, 8 feet wide . And they were put on a platform. The platform had to be
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built first, which was built first, which was
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a bit made for frames with plywood on top. The frames were stood up and bolted together a bit made for frames with plywood on top. The frames were stood up and bolted together
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and then plywood put on. [Ingrid] And the roof? [George]  Covered with iron. and then plywood put on. [Ingrid] And the roof? [George]  Covered with iron.
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It is the simplest method 'cause it covered It is the simplest method 'cause it covered
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the lot. [Ingrid] So were all the huts at Hurd Point already there, when you got there? [George]  Yes, they were already there  the lot. [Ingrid] So were all the huts at Hurd Point already there, when you got there? [George]  Yes, they were already there 
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when I got there. [Ingrid] So how long did you spend down at Hurd Point? [George] Hurd Point, I went there several when I got there. [Ingrid] So how long did you spend down at Hurd Point? [George] Hurd Point, I went there several
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times. I,I  did like walking and -  I had my roster among the Met times. I,I  did like walking and -  I had my roster among the Met
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so I had to work in the day and the night.  This was why there were 4 of us. Now Ian  so I had to work in the day and the night.  This was why there were 4 of us. Now Ian 
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did not. He did special things filling did not. He did special things filling
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in a lot of forms and write reports, and things like this. But we did all the day and in a lot of forms and write reports, and things like this. But we did all the day and
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night. So it was  a bit difficult for me to disappear sometimes for, for night. So it was  a bit difficult for me to disappear sometimes for, for
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a week or so but it was arranged. Every now and then, I could disappear for 2 weeks, like I a week or so but it was arranged. Every now and then, I could disappear for 2 weeks, like I
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went to Hurd Point but????? . But most of the other trips were for 4 or 5 days, no more. went to Hurd Point but????? . But most of the other trips were for 4 or 5 days, no more.
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[Ingrid] So when you are at the Hurd Point for the 2 week period, were you doing Met work or was it [Ingrid] So when you are at the Hurd Point for the 2 week period, were you doing Met work or was it
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a holiday? [George] I did a bit met work because I devised a holiday? [George] I did a bit met work because I devised
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a system of observations, to do myself privately at Hurd Point in con..,  at the same time a system of observations, to do myself privately at Hurd Point in con..,  at the same time
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they were doing they were doing
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at, at .. at the main base. To be able to compare and it turned to be quite at, at .. at the main base. To be able to compare and it turned to be quite
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interesting to see how different things were from one point to the other. It's only  25 miles interesting to see how different things were from one point to the other. It's only  25 miles
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or so, isn't it?  But how different. But I entertained myself doing different things - playing or so, isn't it?  But how different. But I entertained myself doing different things - playing
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the violin or cooking, preparing food and things like this. Or developing films because   the violin or cooking, preparing food and things like this. Or developing films because  
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see  took see  took
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a lot of films. I had to be developed in the day. Develop and then put in fixitive and a lot of films. I had to be developed in the day. Develop and then put in fixitive and
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then dried and all these sorts of things. [Ingrid] So there was then dried and all these sorts of things. [Ingrid] So there was
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a darkroom down at HUrd Point. [George] There was a darkroom down at HUrd Point. [George] There was
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a little darkroom. One of the huts was a storage facility but a little darkroom. One of the huts was a storage facility but
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a little section, no bigger than a toilet room, was dark. [Ingrid] So you mentioned that a little section, no bigger than a toilet room, was dark. [Ingrid] So you mentioned that
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you were playing your violin down at Hurd Point. Had you carried it down there.. [George] Yes you were playing your violin down at Hurd Point. Had you carried it down there.. [George] Yes
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[Ingrid] especially. [George] Yes, yes. In the rucksack. I carried it.  [Ingrid] Can you tell me [Ingrid] especially. [George] Yes, yes. In the rucksack. I carried it.  [Ingrid] Can you tell me
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a little bit more about your violin? How you made it, and how you made strings? [George] Well, the strings a little bit more about your violin? How you made it, and how you made strings? [George] Well, the strings
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come as a  come as a 
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a consequence that, in the rubbish dump, I found a smashed up ukulele. Some Russians a consequence that, in the rubbish dump, I found a smashed up ukulele. Some Russians
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coming from outside  coming from outside 
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and called and say hello. Some .. That happens every... not very often. Perhaps every 3 or 4 years. Visitors come. and called and say hello. Some .. That happens every... not very often. Perhaps every 3 or 4 years. Visitors come.
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They came and they said hello and they stayed. That was 2 or 3 parties before us.   Perhaps They came and they said hello and they stayed. That was 2 or 3 parties before us.   Perhaps
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1957  or so. And I found this broken balalaika with these strings and I took the strings off. 1957  or so. And I found this broken balalaika with these strings and I took the strings off.
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And I said, oh, I had a guitar.  This one, not this one, another one and And I said, oh, I had a guitar.  This one, not this one, another one and
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I just thought ,oh, I'll make I just thought ,oh, I'll make
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a violin. What- I come from a family,  my mother's family, they all musicians. Not a violin. What- I come from a family,  my mother's family, they all musicians. Not
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professional but they all play piano,  violin or cello. They do. And I was told to professional but they all play piano,  violin or cello. They do. And I was told to
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learn violin when I was 8 but I was very naughty and was not applying myself so I said  forget it. learn violin when I was 8 but I was very naughty and was not applying myself so I said  forget it.
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It's a waste of time. My sister continued.  She became a very good  pianist but not me. But I  It's a waste of time. My sister continued.  She became a very good  pianist but not me. But I 
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learned the beginnings. And I, these beginnings came back many years after at Macquarie learned the beginnings. And I, these beginnings came back many years after at Macquarie
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This little violin.  [Ingrid]  OK. So I've had a look at the violin. It had a tin painted black [George] It's the This little violin.  [Ingrid]  OK. So I've had a look at the violin. It had a tin painted black [George] It's the
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sound box [Ingrid] - with a soldered on lid for the sound... [George] I cut the tin back, it was  deeper.  I cut it make sound box [Ingrid] - with a soldered on lid for the sound... [George] I cut the tin back, it was  deeper.  I cut it make
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it shallower and took the bass and I soldered it, to make it hollow  so It could resonate it shallower and took the bass and I soldered it, to make it hollow  so It could resonate
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inside. Then I built inside. Then I built
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a little bridge, the whole thing. Adrian helped me to turn the pegs [Ingrid] And he had a little bridge, the whole thing. Adrian helped me to turn the pegs [Ingrid] And he had
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a little peg turner made as well.  [George] No, Not, ah yes, that's right. Because the pegs are very hard to   a little peg turner made as well.  [George] No, Not, ah yes, that's right. Because the pegs are very hard to  
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turn. So ... One end of the peg goes into the hole and the other end is the square end. turn. So ... One end of the peg goes into the hole and the other end is the square end.
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A square tool that grabs the square and turns. [Ingrid] And the part of the violin had also been A square tool that grabs the square and turns. [Ingrid] And the part of the violin had also been
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engraved with little designs. [George]  Ah, I did that when I was all alone at Hurd Point with the soldering engraved with little designs. [George]  Ah, I did that when I was all alone at Hurd Point with the soldering
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iron. Hot iron just shh shh shh. Just burning these little drawings [Ingrid] and flowers  iron. Hot iron just shh shh shh. Just burning these little drawings [Ingrid] and flowers 
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Did you colour it also with the paint when you were down there? [George] Yes, I coloured it. A  bit of watercolour. Yes. [Ingrid] So how did you make the bow? Did you colour it also with the paint when you were down there? [George] Yes, I coloured it. A  bit of watercolour. Yes. [Ingrid] So how did you make the bow?
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[George] Just a [George] Just a
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a little bit of, ahh, timber,  Hardwood that could bend a bit and string, string a little bit of, ahh, timber,  Hardwood that could bend a bit and string, string
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as thread, thread for sewing. Just that. And then I had to put resin. And.. Because as thread, thread for sewing. Just that. And then I had to put resin. And.. Because
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otherwise, it's not, it doesn't scratch. So I bent the bow  and kept it bent and then put the string otherwise, it's not, it doesn't scratch. So I bent the bow  and kept it bent and then put the string
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for for
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then,  let, released the bend and that kept the strings taut. [Ingrid] Yes [George] And then resin, Adrian then,  let, released the bend and that kept the strings taut. [Ingrid] Yes [George] And then resin, Adrian
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and I would look for and I would look for
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ah, packing boxes.  They had pine, pinus radiata, boxes. With knots. Looking for knots. Things like this. ah, packing boxes.  They had pine, pinus radiata, boxes. With knots. Looking for knots. Things like this.
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And put them on top of a stove and they ooze a bit of resin and we used to scratch it and   And put them on top of a stove and they ooze a bit of resin and we used to scratch it and  
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keep the rest. Enough, enough to put in ??indistinct?? [Ingrid] Did you make anything else keep the rest. Enough, enough to put in ??indistinct?? [Ingrid] Did you make anything else
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while you were on Macquarie Island? [George]  I made a knife because, uh,  it was important while you were on Macquarie Island? [George]  I made a knife because, uh,  it was important
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to have a knife always. Always have, always something to cut. Either rope for to have a knife always. Always have, always something to cut. Either rope for
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a cable or... I don't know - I cut a bit of seal or something, so I had a cable or... I don't know - I cut a bit of seal or something, so I had
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a knife. I made myself a knife with a knife. I made myself a knife with
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a file I found discarded. I sharpened it and made the handle with a file I found discarded. I sharpened it and made the handle with
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a tusk of a seal and I carried, a tusk of a seal and I carried,
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I carried it all over the place all the time. It was handy to have I carried it all over the place all the time. It was handy to have
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a knife. [Ingrid] ?Indistinct? [George] Well, I secured the handle to the knife a knife. [Ingrid] ?Indistinct? [George] Well, I secured the handle to the knife
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with a couple holes and put with a couple holes and put
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a couple of bolts and then filed it flush with the, with the a couple of bolts and then filed it flush with the, with the
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 handle. And I made a sheath, a sheath to put the handle,  handle. And I made a sheath, a sheath to put the handle,
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to put knife in, out of the sole of the shoe that was to put knife in, out of the sole of the shoe that was
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a sole of a shoe. [Ingrid] And engraved it with the words George [George] yes a sole of a shoe. [Ingrid] And engraved it with the words George [George] yes
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 [Ingrid] It's very handsome. [George] I was the only George in the station of course. [laughs] So that  [Ingrid] It's very handsome. [George] I was the only George in the station of course. [laughs] So that
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 was that and Hurd Point was a   was that and Hurd Point was a 
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a good place to be. I liked  it there. I went with John Munro once, twice. One for a good place to be. I liked  it there. I went with John Munro once, twice. One for
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2 weeks and then I went one with Clive to repair the radio.[clear throat] [Ingrid] Can you tell me 2 weeks and then I went one with Clive to repair the radio.[clear throat] [Ingrid] Can you tell me
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a little bit about that trip? [George] Well the radio... for a start the radio wasn't working. It was a little bit about that trip? [George] Well the radio... for a start the radio wasn't working. It was
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crackling. It was impossible.  No good for ?? communication. We could receive crackling. It was impossible.  No good for ?? communication. We could receive
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a little bit. We could not transmit.  And in one of the times, in the ???  times a little bit. We could not transmit.  And in one of the times, in the ???  times
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a skit, you have to communicate with Buckles Bay. I heard Clive say  ' pufflicktick'  a skit, you have to communicate with Buckles Bay. I heard Clive say  ' pufflicktick' 
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'sclifflip' [imitates indistinct crackling noise]'lift the radio'  '9 inches' 'drop it' so it was lift the radio  'sclifflip' [imitates indistinct crackling noise]'lift the radio'  '9 inches' 'drop it' so it was lift the radio 
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9 inches and drop it. Lift the whole thing. Boom. And it didn't do anything. He 9 inches and drop it. Lift the whole thing. Boom. And it didn't do anything. He
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thought the path that would trigger something would make contact but it didn't. So the was thought the path that would trigger something would make contact but it didn't. So the was
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left left
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to dead. We came back with John Munro back to the main station. Told the to dead. We came back with John Munro back to the main station. Told the
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whole thing and Tom say well,  you can't do [inaudible]  whole thing and Tom say well,  you can't do [inaudible] 
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Hurd Point  must have a radio,  must communicate because anything can happen. So I went Hurd Point  must have a radio,  must communicate because anything can happen. So I went
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with Clive to fix the radio and fixed it and we were there quite happy until I with Clive to fix the radio and fixed it and we were there quite happy until I
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got got
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a message that Phil Law was going to arrive. First thing tomorrow morning. He will a message that Phil Law was going to arrive. First thing tomorrow morning. He will
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stay just stay just
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a few hours on the island, passing ?? when the maggot end?? with the returning party a few hours on the island, passing ?? when the maggot end?? with the returning party
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from Mawson. That was, I think, in February or so. [Ingrid] 1960. [George] 60 that's right. Oh from Mawson. That was, I think, in February or so. [Ingrid] 1960. [George] 60 that's right. Oh
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definitely, must go. Must be here, must be here, must be here. So we walked all the definitely, must go. Must be here, must be here, must be here. So we walked all the
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way through. It was, It's feasible but not for Clive. It was, was   way through. It was, It's feasible but not for Clive. It was, was  
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a big thing for Clive. He has never forgotten. He thinks he aged a big thing for Clive. He has never forgotten. He thinks he aged
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10 years, in one night. So we walked all the way and all he could do is to drag himself, go 10 years, in one night. So we walked all the way and all he could do is to drag himself, go
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to the bed, go to bed.  Never saw Phil Law to the bed, go to bed.  Never saw Phil Law
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??. [Ingrid] So you mentioned that you had radio communication,around the ??. [Ingrid] So you mentioned that you had radio communication,around the
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island and you'd also had the WYSSA code book for communicating back to Australia.  [George] Yes island and you'd also had the WYSSA code book for communicating back to Australia.  [George] Yes
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[Ingrid] Did you have any other forms of communication to Australia. [George] Not [Ingrid] Did you have any other forms of communication to Australia. [George] Not
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really but you can add words to the WYSSA code. You could add other words if you want it. really but you can add words to the WYSSA code. You could add other words if you want it.
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[Ingrid] Did you get any radio contact from Australia with Jocelyn Terry in those days? [George] Yes, every Friday, [Ingrid] Did you get any radio contact from Australia with Jocelyn Terry in those days? [George] Yes, every Friday,
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'Girl Friday' but I'd say 50% of the time it was , ah, uh, magnetic 'Girl Friday' but I'd say 50% of the time it was , ah, uh, magnetic
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storms or something overhead and there were no communication. [Ingrid] So it must be fairly storms or something overhead and there were no communication. [Ingrid] So it must be fairly
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frustrating for you[George] Yeah it was. We could you hear crackling, crackling  on our noise. frustrating for you[George] Yeah it was. We could you hear crackling, crackling  on our noise.
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[Ingrid] While you were on Macquarie island, did the planes do any mail drops for you? [George] Never, never, no never [Ingrid] While you were on Macquarie island, did the planes do any mail drops for you? [George] Never, never, no never
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[Ingrid] and I guess one of the other forms of communication you had was the Call of the Royal [George] Yes, It [Ingrid] and I guess one of the other forms of communication you had was the Call of the Royal [George] Yes, It
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was was
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a newspaper that we put together ourselves. We decided, what would we call it. a newspaper that we put together ourselves. We decided, what would we call it.
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I'm talking about this call it Elephant Seal,  call it Tussock or call it I'm talking about this call it Elephant Seal,  call it Tussock or call it
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Fork, or the most, biggest large colony of inhabitants here, is Fork, or the most, biggest large colony of inhabitants here, is
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the royal penguins. It's the most significant things. There's a  million, millions penguins  the royal penguins. It's the most significant things. There's a  million, millions penguins 
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at Hurd Point  and another at Hurd Point  and another
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million over there. So call it... And they go Quack quack quack quack. So call it million over there. So call it... And they go Quack quack quack quack. So call it
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the Call of the Royal. So we called it Call of the Royal. That's it [Ingrid] And how often was this newsletter the Call of the Royal. So we called it Call of the Royal. That's it [Ingrid] And how often was this newsletter
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produced? [ George] Once a month [Ingrid] And what sort of things did it contain? [George] Oh well, It showed produced? [ George] Once a month [Ingrid] And what sort of things did it contain? [George] Oh well, It showed
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news  among ourselves, news from home. Ah, the various programs that were going on, news  among ourselves, news from home. Ah, the various programs that were going on,
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about seismic or, or, or the mechanical men repairing the tractor or the cook about seismic or, or, or the mechanical men repairing the tractor or the cook
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with recipes. I'll show you a couple examples after. I've still got them. [Ingrid]  So they sounds like  with recipes. I'll show you a couple examples after. I've still got them. [Ingrid]  So they sounds like 
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they were fairly detailed. [George] Oh yes and I have to do a little  they were fairly detailed. [George] Oh yes and I have to do a little 
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a little drawing every time at the head, at the title, plus a little drawing every time at the head, at the title, plus
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a little cartoon somewhere if I could think of something and a little cartoon somewhere if I could think of something and
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a month comes so quickly. I don't see how you people can make speeches and a month comes so quickly. I don't see how you people can make speeches and
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things like pictures, for magazines and things. It's sort of things like pictures, for magazines and things. It's sort of
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a month come so quickly you can't think of anything. [Ingrid] Did you have any visitors a month come so quickly you can't think of anything. [Ingrid] Did you have any visitors
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while you were on the island? [George]  Only guests and after or just shortly after or before Phil Law came while you were on the island? [George]  Only guests and after or just shortly after or before Phil Law came
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the Patenela, that big, that big schooner boat that came from Tasmania with these 2 men that came to the Patenela, that big, that big schooner boat that came from Tasmania with these 2 men that came to
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investigate the island because they wanted to restart the sealing industry. [Ingrid] And how investigate the island because they wanted to restart the sealing industry. [Ingrid] And how
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did that go down with the expeditions? [George] Ah in principle, we ..it was not for us to decide in did that go down with the expeditions? [George] Ah in principle, we ..it was not for us to decide in
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principle. We didn't favour the whole thing at all. They came and they were green all principle. We didn't favour the whole thing at all. They came and they were green all
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the time, like your jumper, because of the time, like your jumper, because of
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they were so seasick. One of them was put to bed. And was in bed, he was so sea sick, he couldn't move, they were so seasick. One of them was put to bed. And was in bed, he was so sea sick, he couldn't move,
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 dreading the fact he had to go back and the other one was moving round the  dreading the fact he had to go back and the other one was moving round the
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island looking at seals and seeing 50 dollars here, 10 dollars there, 9 dollars there. Seeing, seeing island looking at seals and seeing 50 dollars here, 10 dollars there, 9 dollars there. Seeing, seeing
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money. Oh it's about the money.   money. Oh it's about the money.  
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A million dollars there. Look at that big one. That's worth 200 dollars. It was just that. And A million dollars there. Look at that big one. That's worth 200 dollars. It was just that. And
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they were there for 3 or 4 days. And they went.  [Ingrid] You mentioned that they were there for 3 or 4 days. And they went.  [Ingrid] You mentioned that
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sometimes the seas would be quite rough and people did get seasick. Did you have any sometimes the seas would be quite rough and people did get seasick. Did you have any
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big storms or events while you were on Macquarie island? [George] On the island, yes. On the trip big storms or events while you were on Macquarie island? [George] On the island, yes. On the trip
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down South, no. Not on the trip back but on the island yes. We had some serious storms. down South, no. Not on the trip back but on the island yes. We had some serious storms.
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One particular one was  a very One particular one was  a very
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strong wind. That got  the waters go from Hasselborough Bay  to Buckles Bay,  strong wind. That got  the waters go from Hasselborough Bay  to Buckles Bay, 
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all over the isthmus, everywhere. And washing,  taking away the drums  all over the isthmus, everywhere. And washing,  taking away the drums 
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with the fuel and everything that was there. Did with the fuel and everything that was there. Did
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a lot of damage to guy-wires holding the radio, and things like  and left a lot of damage to guy-wires holding the radio, and things like  and left
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a lot of nasty kelp, all over the place [coughs]. We had to work very hard to retain the drums and a lot of nasty kelp, all over the place [coughs]. We had to work very hard to retain the drums and
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then clean up. I think it was then clean up. I think it was
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a couple of times. One worst than the other. [Ingrid] When you say you had to work very hard to retain the a couple of times. One worst than the other. [Ingrid] When you say you had to work very hard to retain the
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drums, what happened? [George] Well because they were floating away. So  not to lose them. And it was the drums, what happened? [George] Well because they were floating away. So  not to lose them. And it was the
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getting wet and the water passing and being very windy, can grab a drum that getting wet and the water passing and being very windy, can grab a drum that
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it's heavy and floats and in the opposite direction you want it to go. You could it's heavy and floats and in the opposite direction you want it to go. You could
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get in front and stop it, and try to grab it. It was hard.  And roll it again into get in front and stop it, and try to grab it. It was hard.  And roll it again into
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dry land if you could.  So we lost quite dry land if you could.  So we lost quite
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a few. [Ingrid]  Was any of the other infrastructure down the island lost? Huts? [George] Not really, no. a few. [Ingrid]  Was any of the other infrastructure down the island lost? Huts? [George] Not really, no.
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There must have been minor damage of some of the old huts, to the roofs or something There must have been minor damage of some of the old huts, to the roofs or something
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but not really. [Ingrid] Did you have any other major events occur while you were down on Macquarie Island? but not really. [Ingrid] Did you have any other major events occur while you were down on Macquarie Island?
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Other than the fire. The fire. The CosRay hut burned.  Other than the fire. The fire. The CosRay hut burned. 
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It was one of the highest, isolated hut on the isthmus. And , uh, it It was one of the highest, isolated hut on the isthmus. And , uh, it
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burned due to carelessness or an accident with a soldering iron that was left burned due to carelessness or an accident with a soldering iron that was left
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unattended and fell or touched something and burned the whole thing. [Ingrid] Did you have unattended and fell or touched something and burned the whole thing. [Ingrid] Did you have
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a fire team to deal with it or was it just everyone helped? [George] Everyone helped.  a fire team to deal with it or was it just everyone helped? [George] Everyone helped. 
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Along the station we had buckets with water. Was useless because it was Along the station we had buckets with water. Was useless because it was
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a solid blocks of ice or buckets with sand. We throw sa-sand to a solid blocks of ice or buckets with sand. We throw sa-sand to
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a fire, apparently it helps quite a fire, apparently it helps quite
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a bit too. Around the station here, they were painted red, these buckets so they were obvious. a bit too. Around the station here, they were painted red, these buckets so they were obvious.
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[Ingrid] So before you'd gone back, before you'd gone to Macquarie Island, had you had any training [Ingrid] So before you'd gone back, before you'd gone to Macquarie Island, had you had any training
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in fighting fires? [George] No, no, no. [coughs] [Ingrid] George, it sounds in fighting fires? [George] No, no, no. [coughs] [Ingrid] George, it sounds
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like over all you had, you had like over all you had, you had
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a very good year. [George]  We did, yeah.[Ingrid] How would you describe your group or your group dynamics [George]  Well a very good year. [George]  We did, yeah.[Ingrid] How would you describe your group or your group dynamics [George]  Well
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we were all very different sort of people, did very different things, came from very we were all very different sort of people, did very different things, came from very
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different parts but we all got along very well together. It's just, it's just very good and there were.. different parts but we all got along very well together. It's just, it's just very good and there were..
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I had good times with all of them. See sometimes, uh, uh,  the Met I had good times with all of them. See sometimes, uh, uh,  the Met
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officer in charge, Ian, Ian  Black,. he, he had been Central officer in charge, Ian, Ian  Black,. he, he had been Central
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Australian ?inaudible? used to go hunting, turkeys or kangaroos Australian ?inaudible? used to go hunting, turkeys or kangaroos
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and there was and there was
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a shotgun there and a rifle, a 22, said we go , tomorrow. you have thought, we are going hunting, a shotgun there and a rifle, a 22, said we go , tomorrow. you have thought, we are going hunting,
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hunting rabbits. And we went hunting rabbits and perhaps spent hunting rabbits. And we went hunting rabbits and perhaps spent
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a whole day and came back with 3 rabbits or 4, no more. I  probably didn't touch any. He probably a whole day and came back with 3 rabbits or 4, no more. I  probably didn't touch any. He probably
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got them. But there were rabbits but not in the quantities they're now. There were got them. But there were rabbits but not in the quantities they're now. There were
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some but not, not as bad. Not, not, it was not objectionable. There were a few rabbits here and there, round Green Gorge, there were some but not, not as bad. Not, not, it was not objectionable. There were a few rabbits here and there, round Green Gorge, there were
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a few more rabbits but otherwise not a few more rabbits but otherwise not
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a problem but I went with Ian many times, rabbit shooting. [Ingrid] What you do with the rabbits that a problem but I went with Ian many times, rabbit shooting. [Ingrid] What you do with the rabbits that
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you shot [George] Gave them to the cook, used to cook them. [Ingrid] Did you eat much rabbit you shot [George] Gave them to the cook, used to cook them. [Ingrid] Did you eat much rabbit
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out in the field? [George] Not in the field. We always took them to the kitchen, to the cook. We had to out in the field? [George] Not in the field. We always took them to the kitchen, to the cook. We had to
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peel them,  give them to him [Ingrid] Speaking of eating out in the field, were there some peel them,  give them to him [Ingrid] Speaking of eating out in the field, were there some
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foods that the field huts tended to have more than others or foods that you tended to foods that the field huts tended to have more than others or foods that you tended to
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eat when you went out? [George] It was eat when you went out? [George] It was
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a dehydrated???  food, mostly dry. Dry potatoes and dry egg and things and a dehydrated???  food, mostly dry. Dry potatoes and dry egg and things and
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at Green Gorge and there was more variety of food at Hurd Point because the at Green Gorge and there was more variety of food at Hurd Point because the
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stays were longer. Green Gorge was stays were longer. Green Gorge was
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a passing sort of place. I can't remember exactly  what we ate. But it was alright. And John a passing sort of place. I can't remember exactly  what we ate. But it was alright. And John
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Munro became Munro became
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a very good bread maker. He made beautiful bread. And we had plenty of bread and this a very good bread maker. He made beautiful bread. And we had plenty of bread and this
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sort of rectangular containers, a loaf. And there was a little kerosene oven. The kerosene oven was sort of rectangular containers, a loaf. And there was a little kerosene oven. The kerosene oven was
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very good. [Ingrid] At Hurd Point? [George] At Hurd Point. So we had fresh bread all the time very good. [Ingrid] At Hurd Point? [George] At Hurd Point. So we had fresh bread all the time
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for plenty of honey or marmalade and things like this. [Ingrid] Did you have much of for plenty of honey or marmalade and things like this. [Ingrid] Did you have much of
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a chocolate supply. [George] I can't remember much about chocolate, no, not chocolate supply. a chocolate supply. [George] I can't remember much about chocolate, no, not chocolate supply.
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Plenty of tea and coffee. [coughs]That... marmalades and jams and things like this quite Plenty of tea and coffee. [coughs]That... marmalades and jams and things like this quite
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a few things. [Ingrid] George, do you still have contact with the men that you wintered with in 1959? a few things. [Ingrid] George, do you still have contact with the men that you wintered with in 1959?
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  Yes, yes I see. Ah there's one left in Melbourne   Yes, yes I see. Ah there's one left in Melbourne
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Rod Hollingsworth. He spends most of his time in the peninsula but lives in Rod Hollingsworth. He spends most of his time in the peninsula but lives in
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Melbourne as well. Apart from that, there is nobody else here. Adrian in Tasmania. Tom  Melbourne as well. Apart from that, there is nobody else here. Adrian in Tasmania. Tom 
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NSW. Ortwin, we don't see very much of Ortwin. He never became a  NSW. Ortwin, we don't see very much of Ortwin. He never became a 
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as close as the others, this is in in Sydney and John Munro is in Canberra as close as the others, this is in in Sydney and John Munro is in Canberra
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and David Keyser is in Western Australia  and David Keyser is in Western Australia 
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[Ingrid] Do you have many reunions or get togethers? [George] Yes, we do. We have had  [Ingrid] Do you have many reunions or get togethers? [George] Yes, we do. We have had 
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a few. Uh, at the last ... at the 50th anniversary, we had the reunion in Canberra.  a few. Uh, at the last ... at the 50th anniversary, we had the reunion in Canberra. 
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It was very well prepared by John ?Manderer? and his wife. We did a lot of things.It was very good. And It was very well prepared by John ?Manderer? and his wife. We did a lot of things.It was very good. And
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after that, there was after that, there was
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a reunion in Western Australia which was last year. [coughs] And we're having another one every 2 a reunion in Western Australia which was last year. [coughs] And we're having another one every 2
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years now, in Ballina in New South Wales, next year, about this time next year [Ingrid] So your years now, in Ballina in New South Wales, next year, about this time next year [Ingrid] So your
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reunions are getting closer and closer together [George] Yes but the numbers are getting smaller [Ingrid] And do you do anything  reunions are getting closer and closer together [George] Yes but the numbers are getting smaller [Ingrid] And do you do anything 
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special for your reunions? ]George] No, we just chat a lot special for your reunions? ]George] No, we just chat a lot
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 talk about the old times, how rugged it was, how difficult it was,  talk about the old times, how rugged it was, how difficult it was,
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Have a good meal, a good few drinks and the wives come these days so it's just  Have a good meal, a good few drinks and the wives come these days so it's just 
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So it's alright. We talk about how good it was,  how good we were. These sorts of things.  So it's alright. We talk about how good it was,  how good we were. These sorts of things. 
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That's about all. We like to see each other see That's about all. We like to see each other see
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Perhaps if we were in each others pockets all the time, it wouldn't matter but then every now and then, Adrian and I  Perhaps if we were in each others pockets all the time, it wouldn't matter but then every now and then, Adrian and I 
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????I could be put ????I could be put
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a many times. [Ingrid] When you left Macquarie Island, what were your thoughts? a many times. [Ingrid] When you left Macquarie Island, what were your thoughts?
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Oh well I was happy to leave, I had my, I'd been here, I've done that, I enjoyed it   Oh well I was happy to leave, I had my, I'd been here, I've done that, I enjoyed it  
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Back to the mainland and start again. New things yes Back to the mainland and start again. New things yes
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[Ingrid] Did you ever want to go back down south again/ [George] I would have liked to, yes I would have [Ingrid] Did you ever want to go back down south again/ [George] I would have liked to, yes I would have
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 liked to, but I had to start working seriously a  little bit. Not having holiday like this.   liked to, but I had to start working seriously a  little bit. Not having holiday like this. 
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But things are alright for But things are alright for
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physicist and people like this, or meteorologist  that have a work that  physicist and people like this, or meteorologist  that have a work that 
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is actually what they are doing there. ??Somewhere???  else  they could there, like a  doctor is actually what they are doing there. ??Somewhere???  else  they could there, like a  doctor
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up to up to
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a certain point. [Ingfid] So when you returned back to Melbourne  a certain point. [Ingfid] So when you returned back to Melbourne 
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what sort of pathway did your life take? [George] Well first I had to find where to go and live. what sort of pathway did your life take? [George] Well first I had to find where to go and live.
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Some friends of mine they lived in Balmoral  I had designed their house  Some friends of mine they lived in Balmoral  I had designed their house 
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a 2 storey house. They lived in the 1st floor and the ground floor there was a 2 storey house. They lived in the 1st floor and the ground floor there was
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a little flat there.  I lived there for a while and then find a little flat there.  I lived there for a while and then find
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a job which I did. It didn't take me long. And start working and then flirting with Pam a job which I did. It didn't take me long. And start working and then flirting with Pam
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and eventually thereafter I got married 1961. and eventually thereafter I got married 1961.
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And life was from here on. Then we started  having children but we did lived in And life was from here on. Then we started  having children but we did lived in
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the another house in Brighton then eventually we bought this house. This was wilderness. The people the another house in Brighton then eventually we bought this house. This was wilderness. The people
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that lived here didn't want all that land. Had put  that lived here didn't want all that land. Had put 
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a fence across here and the rest was wilderness, where blackberries and things like this. a fence across here and the rest was wilderness, where blackberries and things like this.
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[Ingrid]  Is there anything else you'd like to add? [George]  Oh I think I had [Ingrid]  Is there anything else you'd like to add? [George]  Oh I think I had
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a very good year and I'm glad I did it. And it continues because I'm continually meeting with a very good year and I'm glad I did it. And it continues because I'm continually meeting with
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fellows that went to the Antarctic through ?NRA?.  They did not go in my fellows that went to the Antarctic through ?NRA?.  They did not go in my
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party 1959 but they were terrific fellows and we see each other at least once a  party 1959 but they were terrific fellows and we see each other at least once a 
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month and they are very nice people to see and be with, because they will have month and they are very nice people to see and be with, because they will have
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something to say. [Ingrid] So that's part of the Chelsea Pensioners Group where you meet on the first  something to say. [Ingrid] So that's part of the Chelsea Pensioners Group where you meet on the first 
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Tuesday. [George] They all have something to say,  they're not just  silly people that spend the Tuesday. [George] They all have something to say,  they're not just  silly people that spend the
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day watching television. No they do things and they know ?this? and  day watching television. No they do things and they know ?this? and 
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from that. It's interesting. [Ingrid] So the Chelsea pensioners  is from that. It's interesting. [Ingrid] So the Chelsea pensioners  is
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a group of people who worked under ?Phil Law? [George] yes [Ingrid] Like this is a group of people who worked under ?Phil Law? [George] yes [Ingrid] Like this is
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a final question. can you tell me a final question. can you tell me
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a little bit about your impression of Phil Law? [George] Ah, terrific man, very selfish, very self-centred a little bit about your impression of Phil Law? [George] Ah, terrific man, very selfish, very self-centred
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but, but fantastic. He always had something to say. He always said the thing but, but fantastic. He always had something to say. He always said the thing
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that was right.  He always suggested and opted by the proper solution of the that was right.  He always suggested and opted by the proper solution of the
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proper action. You have to give it to him and proper action. You have to give it to him and
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it was right, a bit selfish in many parts. It's me and me and me but apart from that it was right, a bit selfish in many parts. It's me and me and me but apart from that
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you can forget about that because there's a lot of you can forget about that because there's a lot of
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a good marriage about it. [Ingrid] Was there anyone else in the ??Narri?? NRA?? years that you found a good marriage about it. [Ingrid] Was there anyone else in the ??Narri?? NRA?? years that you found
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particularly inspirational you worked with? [George]  Well I got to know John ??Beshavere?? particularly inspirational you worked with? [George]  Well I got to know John ??Beshavere??
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a bit while we were going to Tottenham. He was going to go to Mawson the time  a bit while we were going to Tottenham. He was going to go to Mawson the time 
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in '59. It was his 2nd time in Mawson. 1959. And the first time ???    I spent in '59. It was his 2nd time in Mawson. 1959. And the first time ???    I spent
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quite a last time having lunch with Jim Beshavere  and we had a lot in common to talk quite a last time having lunch with Jim Beshavere  and we had a lot in common to talk
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a lot of things, especially mountain climbing and things because he liked that too, so it was a lot of things, especially mountain climbing and things because he liked that too, so it was
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another inspirational  sort person, He used to lecture another inspirational  sort person, He used to lecture
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a lot when he talked to people. Do you remember ??maybe? No well he was a teacher a lot when he talked to people. Do you remember ??maybe? No well he was a teacher
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And he... when he talked he lectured. It came with  And he... when he talked he lectured. It came with 
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automatically. And he taught in a way that ah, he explained things in automatically. And he taught in a way that ah, he explained things in
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I thought that was just like I thought that was just like
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a lecture. Full of information and details and things like this. See all we went to a lecture. Full of information and details and things like this. See all we went to
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Mawson and we had a good time. He said we went to Mawson  and we arrived there Mawson and we had a good time. He said we went to Mawson  and we arrived there
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there and there and
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this ?particular? ?day? the ?temperature was on so and he was full of details of our this ?particular? ?day? the ?temperature was on so and he was full of details of our
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the whole thing. But he was a most delightful person. [Ingrid] On that we might find step [George] Yes Well the whole thing. But he was a most delightful person. [Ingrid] On that we might find step [George] Yes Well
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and also I'll say I'm delighted to have had the opportunity to talk to you about that and also I'll say I'm delighted to have had the opportunity to talk to you about that
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because I've heard because I've heard
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a lot about you and I met you indirectly once at the Chelsea Pensioners  a lot about you and I met you indirectly once at the Chelsea Pensioners 
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but apart from that I never had the opportunity to enjoy your company. Thank you very much. but apart from that I never had the opportunity to enjoy your company. Thank you very much.
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[Ingrid] I'll just say it was a privilege to meet you and a pleasure. ]George] Thank you. [Ingrid] I'll just say it was a privilege to meet you and a pleasure. ]George] Thank you.