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My name is Ingrid McGaughey and I'm having My name is Ingrid McGaughey and I'm having
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a conversation with David McCormack. Dave's done quite a few winters. Casey 72. Mawson 74 a conversation with David McCormack. Dave's done quite a few winters. Casey 72. Mawson 74
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This discussion will really look at Casey 72. This discussion will really look at Casey 72.
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Hello. (both laughs) Dave, Can you tell me about what you did outside your work? Hello. (both laughs) Dave, Can you tell me about what you did outside your work?
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Yes, Casey being a 1st year. Umm, there's a Yes, Casey being a 1st year. Umm, there's a
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lot of new things down there for me. We set out to do basic things like skiing lot of new things down there for me. We set out to do basic things like skiing
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to start with. I brought some cross country skis and you know I sort of got all to start with. I brought some cross country skis and you know I sort of got all
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although I was although I was
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a downhill skier really before I went down there but uh I was told there wasn't much a downhill skier really before I went down there but uh I was told there wasn't much
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downhill skiing and they were right so I got into the cross-country skiing but even that downhill skiing and they were right so I got into the cross-country skiing but even that
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wasn't all that much and I sort of stacked them away pretty early in the year. Um, and we just wasn't all that much and I sort of stacked them away pretty early in the year. Um, and we just
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went for other things now I think I went for other things now I think I
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might have mentioned before about um trips to wilkes looking through the old station. might have mentioned before about um trips to wilkes looking through the old station.
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with, uh, Ray Mitchell who was the mechanic, uh, who came and stayed a  with, uh, Ray Mitchell who was the mechanic, uh, who came and stayed a 
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2nd year with me. So I know I got 2nd year with me. So I know I got
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a lot out of just out of being just going away weekends and looking at wilkes really umm a lot out of just out of being just going away weekends and looking at wilkes really umm
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the recreational things.. sporting wise, pretty restrictive in Casey. the recreational things.. sporting wise, pretty restrictive in Casey.
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Nothing.. like Mawson, for example, you can have dogs to go running but Casey was very um Nothing.. like Mawson, for example, you can have dogs to go running but Casey was very um
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I was shocked and it wasn't until spring came on and then wildlife came I was shocked and it wasn't until spring came on and then wildlife came
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back that you get down to Shirly Island and with look at penguins and things like that back that you get down to Shirly Island and with look at penguins and things like that
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that. Yeah, so, it was a bit of a that. Yeah, so, it was a bit of a
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so Casey was, all up-it was all new but it was-it was a bit of so Casey was, all up-it was all new but it was-it was a bit of
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a non event as far as that goes. Um, there were lots of social- the socialites a non event as far as that goes. Um, there were lots of social- the socialites
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really were confined to. You know down the recreation room and I tell you what, one of the really were confined to. You know down the recreation room and I tell you what, one of the
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big things.. now this is probably big things.. now this is probably
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point in, uh, of interest at the moment is, um, the-the 16mm movies that were at the point in, uh, of interest at the moment is, um, the-the 16mm movies that were at the
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stations. In Casey, Davis, Mawson and stations. In Casey, Davis, Mawson and
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Macquarie, of course, they have all been taken back to head office and they've taken the Macquarie, of course, they have all been taken back to head office and they've taken the
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projectors out of there. projectors out of there.
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and the idea was they told everybody they were going to copy and the idea was they told everybody they were going to copy
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the 16mm movies onto DVDs or something or other. And send them back so the 16mm movies onto DVDs or something or other. And send them back so
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people could still enjoy the old movies Well this hasn't happened and I don't .. I'm very very people could still enjoy the old movies Well this hasn't happened and I don't .. I'm very very
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skeptical about the whole thing. I mean, when it first came out, I said hello here's another skeptical about the whole thing. I mean, when it first came out, I said hello here's another
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nail in the coffin for some of the old ways and-and, um, modern things have nail in the coffin for some of the old ways and-and, um, modern things have
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taken over with. People just got a taken over with. People just got a
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a computer in the room now when he goes to social evenings like you know the movies a computer in the room now when he goes to social evenings like you know the movies
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Wednesday night and sunday night and that was really back in those days when i was Wednesday night and sunday night and that was really back in those days when i was
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when I was when I was
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that was a big night. Everybody was there and that was a big night. Everybody was there and
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a night where they hand out the lollies and the chips and all sort of stuff and it was a night where they hand out the lollies and the chips and all sort of stuff and it was
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a big night. You watch these great old movies and there were some fantastic shows at a big night. You watch these great old movies and there were some fantastic shows at
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Casey, I remember and particularly Mawson, there was some classics.. classic movies Casey, I remember and particularly Mawson, there was some classics.. classic movies
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and so everybody looked forward to those nights and and so everybody looked forward to those nights and
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the social get together and and just listening to the comments in the crowd you know the social get together and and just listening to the comments in the crowd you know
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you came with so many laughs at the blokes themselves and the you came with so many laughs at the blokes themselves and the
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movies and it was just really entertaining you know. I mean those nights those movies and it was just really entertaining you know. I mean those nights those
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I talk to blogs today and they may I think stuff have those sort of nights you know and they try I talk to blogs today and they may I think stuff have those sort of nights you know and they try
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to organize some of the things I organized there are umm seem to be to be to organize some of the things I organized there are umm seem to be to be
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pretty Her time he would for the just the nah im just kidding. They're all pretty Her time he would for the just the nah im just kidding. They're all
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they're just fun things like that we had a lot of fun and and you had they're just fun things like that we had a lot of fun and and you had
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make your own fun but the movies were big draw of card. You know I mean like ok make your own fun but the movies were big draw of card. You know I mean like ok
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there were nights at the bar, Saturday night bar sunday night was just there were nights at the bar, Saturday night bar sunday night was just
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just a nice dinner that the chef put on and we had just a nice dinner that the chef put on and we had
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a damn good chef in my keep. He was actually i think he was a damn good chef in my keep. He was actually i think he was
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a banquet chef for the Southern Cross before he came down with us in 72 a banquet chef for the Southern Cross before he came down with us in 72
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and he was so good. Look, the food i ate before was just basic so and he was so good. Look, the food i ate before was just basic so
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sort of you know (laughs). Steak and chips, dumplings or whatever. You know I came from sort of you know (laughs). Steak and chips, dumplings or whatever. You know I came from
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Newcastle and just suburban Newcastle and my mum was.. well she was Newcastle and just suburban Newcastle and my mum was.. well she was
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a bad cook but um when I got down to Casey and started ??? a bad cook but um when I got down to Casey and started ???
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alive you know. Like what? Ahh, good things. We had we had good seafood. We had it alive you know. Like what? Ahh, good things. We had we had good seafood. We had it
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was just that the variety of the meal was great. It wasn't the same thing over and over again was just that the variety of the meal was great. It wasn't the same thing over and over again
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It was just a really It was just a really
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a really good cook. He could cook big meals for anybody and knock it up. a really good cook. He could cook big meals for anybody and knock it up.
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He started to make- it's funny - he started to cook sort of like especially core hotel He started to make- it's funny - he started to cook sort of like especially core hotel
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meals and some of the guys said oh waht about the steak and chips you know. They they meals and some of the guys said oh waht about the steak and chips you know. They they
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sort of- they got sort of- they got
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a bit too upmarket type thing for some of the guys down there who weren't used to that sort of a bit too upmarket type thing for some of the guys down there who weren't used to that sort of
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food and I didn't - I thought it was great to have this sort of special type food and I didn't - I thought it was great to have this sort of special type
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the right place and so if you don't want to be used like an chips and we went back the right place and so if you don't want to be used like an chips and we went back
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you know, those sort of meals as well, but, he used to mix it in with the other stuff but you know, those sort of meals as well, but, he used to mix it in with the other stuff but
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you know and like in mid-winters, the-the spring we had you know and like in mid-winters, the-the spring we had
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most chefs turned out something special at mid-winters, but this bloke he was-he was really most chefs turned out something special at mid-winters, but this bloke he was-he was really
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really really good. You know, and some of the stuff we had was just absolutely brilliant, I-I really really good. You know, and some of the stuff we had was just absolutely brilliant, I-I
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thought, um, and-and the-the, I mean, everybody came to meals and it wasn't as though- thought, um, and-and the-the, I mean, everybody came to meals and it wasn't as though-
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"Here we go again, I've got to go to..." -or something. Everybody was there, in line, "Here we go again, I've got to go to..." -or something. Everybody was there, in line,
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you know-it was you know-it was
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[laughs] it was always gonna be good stuff. And, actually, on one time we had through the [laughs] it was always gonna be good stuff. And, actually, on one time we had through the
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year-we had the-the Mess needed a bit of a year-we had the-the Mess needed a bit of a
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a paint job so we decided to have an end-of-the-Mess night. And, um, uh- a paint job so we decided to have an end-of-the-Mess night. And, um, uh-
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was it night or day, I've just forgotten now? was it night or day, I've just forgotten now?
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And-and, I was a slushie at the time, uh, for the week and so we decided to have, uh, to take out the-the um, the Mess And-and, I was a slushie at the time, uh, for the week and so we decided to have, uh, to take out the-the um, the Mess
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we-we were gonna have this, um, it was a we-we were gonna have this, um, it was a
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stupid, when I think about it now, it's the stupidest idea I've ever come up with, but, uh, we decided stupid, when I think about it now, it's the stupidest idea I've ever come up with, but, uh, we decided
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to have a-a, uh, a bit of to have a-a, uh, a bit of
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a, uh, a flour bomb fight or something like that, you know-and we had water and pies and all sorts of a, uh, a flour bomb fight or something like that, you know-and we had water and pies and all sorts of
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stuff and it was just- made a hell of a mess. And we-we started out we had barricades, we had stuff and it was just- made a hell of a mess. And we-we started out we had barricades, we had
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one barricade at the end of the- one end of the Mess, and one at the other end of the one barricade at the end of the- one end of the Mess, and one at the other end of the
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Mess and it, was: "Go!" And everybody was throwing pies and all sorts of stuff and flour  Mess and it, was: "Go!" And everybody was throwing pies and all sorts of stuff and flour 
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bombs and the place was just an absolute mess. And who was left to clean it up, you know? bombs and the place was just an absolute mess. And who was left to clean it up, you know?
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It was, well, me of course. And, um, the chef had a bit of a go, but, and then we painted the whole It was, well, me of course. And, um, the chef had a bit of a go, but, and then we painted the whole
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place out, but, um,  place out, but, um, 
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a couple of other guy mucked in and cleaned it up too, as well, but, it was good a couple of other guy mucked in and cleaned it up too, as well, but, it was good
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to finish the joint off; it was just one of those rare sort of things, um, but-yeah. to finish the joint off; it was just one of those rare sort of things, um, but-yeah.
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[Ingrid] Did you paint it back the same colour? [Dave] Oh-I've forgotten the colours it was painted now. But it was- it came up [Ingrid] Did you paint it back the same colour? [Dave] Oh-I've forgotten the colours it was painted now. But it was- it came up
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pretty good when we finished it all and we cleaned it all up, and, um-yeah. [Ingrid] Dave, you mentioned that you worked as slushie for-? pretty good when we finished it all and we cleaned it all up, and, um-yeah. [Ingrid] Dave, you mentioned that you worked as slushie for-?
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[Dave] Mmm. [Ingrid] Did you also have cooking duties on top of that? [Dave] Oh, the cooking duties were only on a [Dave] Mmm. [Ingrid] Did you also have cooking duties on top of that? [Dave] Oh, the cooking duties were only on a
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Sunday. Yeah, uh, the- all the slushies, just, um, you started in the kitchen on Sunday, um, and the- Sunday. Yeah, uh, the- all the slushies, just, um, you started in the kitchen on Sunday, um, and the-
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 you'd be- Sunday was the  you'd be- Sunday was the
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cook's day off, so the cook wasn't there at all. And, you'd go in there with the cook's day off, so the cook wasn't there at all. And, you'd go in there with the
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cook- with the-with the slushie who'd been there all week, and it was his turn to cook for the cook- with the-with the slushie who'd been there all week, and it was his turn to cook for the
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Sunday, so you'd go in there and start your basic duty, setting tables, mopping Sunday, so you'd go in there and start your basic duty, setting tables, mopping
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floors, all that sort of stuff, and helping him out. And because he'd got floors, all that sort of stuff, and helping him out. And because he'd got
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a few tips from the cook, hopefully, through the week on what to cook and how to cook it, a few tips from the cook, hopefully, through the week on what to cook and how to cook it,
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Um, you sort of were supposed to help him Um, you sort of were supposed to help him
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a little bit and then, uh, on the Sunday evening when that meal was finished, he-he put on a little bit and then, uh, on the Sunday evening when that meal was finished, he-he put on
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lunch and then put on dinner and when that Sunday evening meal was finished, uh, the lunch and then put on dinner and when that Sunday evening meal was finished, uh, the
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kitchen was yours for the week then-sort of thing, with the cook who started again on Monday kitchen was yours for the week then-sort of thing, with the cook who started again on Monday
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morning. So, and you'd start out with him and, um, just do your usual stuff - set the table for  morning. So, and you'd start out with him and, um, just do your usual stuff - set the table for 
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breakfast, and- although that was done by the night watch-it should have been. Um, but - and- and cleaned  breakfast, and- although that was done by the night watch-it should have been. Um, but - and- and cleaned 
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the place up, mopping the floors and helping the cook do things and then help  the place up, mopping the floors and helping the cook do things and then help 
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sort of pick his brains through the week about what you're gonna cook on the Sunday. sort of pick his brains through the week about what you're gonna cook on the Sunday.
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And he'd say: "Oh, we're gonna- here's a couple of legs of And he'd say: "Oh, we're gonna- here's a couple of legs of
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a lamb or whatever it is and here's all your potatoes and peel those and chuck em  a lamb or whatever it is and here's all your potatoes and peel those and chuck em 
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in this, um, these trays and cook them in the oven for two hours," or whatever it was, you know- in this, um, these trays and cook them in the oven for two hours," or whatever it was, you know-
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you sort of wrote you sort of wrote
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all the stuff down: Yes, yes, yes, yes, you know-and you get all the clues and if  all the stuff down: Yes, yes, yes, yes, you know-and you get all the clues and if 
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you wanted to make a sweet yourself you'd have to - he'd- sometimes he'd help you do that- you wanted to make a sweet yourself you'd have to - he'd- sometimes he'd help you do that-
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depending on who the chef was. Uh, some guys'd really help you out, and some guys'd say, "Oh, depending on who the chef was. Uh, some guys'd really help you out, and some guys'd say, "Oh,
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just, ice cream and peaches or something-you know-just something easy."  just, ice cream and peaches or something-you know-just something easy." 
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And some guys would stick to that. I used to always like make- 'cause I like making sweets. And I used And some guys would stick to that. I used to always like make- 'cause I like making sweets. And I used
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to make things like cheesecakes and stuff like that. I even took my own Philadelphia cheese down to make things like cheesecakes and stuff like that. I even took my own Philadelphia cheese down
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there one year because I didn't think they'd have any. And I took a whole there one year because I didn't think they'd have any. And I took a whole
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box of Philadelphia cheese down just to make box of Philadelphia cheese down just to make
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the cheesecake when I was gonna be the ch- the um, the um, the cook on-on-on the cheesecake when I was gonna be the ch- the um, the um, the cook on-on-on
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uh, the slushie boy. Yeah, so- uh, the slushie boy. Yeah, so-
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No, I didn't. I didn't worry about it. I just- whatever was there, um. One year I got ri- I was  No, I didn't. I didn't worry about it. I just- whatever was there, um. One year I got ri- I was 
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right into - I've forgotten was year it was now. I was right into curries and making puri's  right into - I've forgotten was year it was now. I was right into curries and making puri's 
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and papadums and- and uh, and uh, chapatis and all that sort of stuff and papadums and- and uh, and uh, chapatis and all that sort of stuff
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and I had a few recipes of those, and I made- I made, had an- I put on a Indian and I had a few recipes of those, and I made- I made, had an- I put on a Indian
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meal there one-one time. Uh, and some guys-some guys thought it was great, some guys thought it was meal there one-one time. Uh, and some guys-some guys thought it was great, some guys thought it was
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bloody awful; but I mean [laughs] some- some people like - either bloody awful; but I mean [laughs] some- some people like - either
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like curry or you don't. I didn't make a lot of curry, but it wasn't too bad, I 'spose, but it's the like curry or you don't. I didn't make a lot of curry, but it wasn't too bad, I 'spose, but it's the
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breads I like in- in Indian food. I like the different types of breads they have, you know- breads I like in- in Indian food. I like the different types of breads they have, you know-
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and I like to be able to make those. So that's the only thing special that I really worried  and I like to be able to make those. So that's the only thing special that I really worried 
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about, yeah. [Ingrid] That's quite a change from a guy who said that he was very much a meat and three veg man when he first went down. [Dave] Yeah, well about, yeah. [Ingrid] That's quite a change from a guy who said that he was very much a meat and three veg man when he first went down. [Dave] Yeah, well
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that's what I was given, I mean, we- we, uh, my mum wasn't that's what I was given, I mean, we- we, uh, my mum wasn't
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a real special cook and, um, -oh, we had-sort of chops and chips. And a real special cook and, um, -oh, we had-sort of chops and chips. And
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it was just we- we didn't really- I guess it was just we- we didn't really- I guess
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a lot of families in those days; there wasn't-we- that- look the cooking that's around today is  a lot of families in those days; there wasn't-we- that- look the cooking that's around today is 
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unbelievable when you think of the variety - you can- you can do anything you like  unbelievable when you think of the variety - you can- you can do anything you like 
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these days. You've only got to open the newspaper every day and there's-  these days. You've only got to open the newspaper every day and there's- 
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there's two pages of new recipes every day. I mean, it just goes on. You gotta go    there's two pages of new recipes every day. I mean, it just goes on. You gotta go   
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in the cook books in the shop, you know? The cookbooks: There's thousands of 'em. And  in the cook books in the shop, you know? The cookbooks: There's thousands of 'em. And 
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there's just no end of- of variety of food in Australia. But back in the 1960's  there's just no end of- of variety of food in Australia. But back in the 1960's 
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and- and, uh, you know- it was- there was nothing like that. It was weird. If you cooked  and- and, uh, you know- it was- there was nothing like that. It was weird. If you cooked 
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Chinese food for example, or- or anything out of the ordinary, you know-let alone  Chinese food for example, or- or anything out of the ordinary, you know-let alone 
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-or when- when you look at all the- the variety of restaurants around today too, for example. -or when- when you look at all the- the variety of restaurants around today too, for example.
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You know-I mean... [Ingrid] Did any of the other   You know-I mean... [Ingrid] Did any of the other  
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slushies cook anything particularly interesting or memorable? [ Dave] Hmm, no not really. You were sort of limited by  slushies cook anything particularly interesting or memorable? [ Dave] Hmm, no not really. You were sort of limited by 
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what you were led to do by the- by the cook really-by the chef really.Uh, he just sort of  what you were led to do by the- by the cook really-by the chef really.Uh, he just sort of 
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he'd  he'd 
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suggest things and give you the meat or- or some people say: "No-I'm gonna make my own  suggest things and give you the meat or- or some people say: "No-I'm gonna make my own 
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stuff." Some blokes would make whatever. Uh, nothing comes to mind but you know stuff." Some blokes would make whatever. Uh, nothing comes to mind but you know
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that was-uh, it was up to yourself. [Ingrid] You mention that, um, on Wednesday nights  that was-uh, it was up to yourself. [Ingrid] You mention that, um, on Wednesday nights 
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film nights. [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid] Who chose the films? [Dave] Uh, well the- the film on Sunday night was chosen by the slushie. film nights. [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid] Who chose the films? [Dave] Uh, well the- the film on Sunday night was chosen by the slushie.
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That was his night- that was his, uh, privilege to choose the Sunday night movie. And, uh, as long as  That was his night- that was his, uh, privilege to choose the Sunday night movie. And, uh, as long as 
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he attended; that was the thing. You know-he wasn't- 'cause a couple of guys he attended; that was the thing. You know-he wasn't- 'cause a couple of guys
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had picked those lousy had picked those lousy
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movies and they wouldn't go. And everybody said: "For fuck's sake-what the devil are we watching here?" You know? [laughs] "Where's Fred?"  movies and they wouldn't go. And everybody said: "For fuck's sake-what the devil are we watching here?" You know? [laughs] "Where's Fred?" 
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"Oh- he's not even here!" -you know [laughing] He used to sort of-  "Oh- he's not even here!" -you know [laughing] He used to sort of- 
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it's a bit like that sometimes. But- no. Most people came to the show and, um, watched  it's a bit like that sometimes. But- no. Most people came to the show and, um, watched 
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it. And the Wednesday one-I'm not sure who chose the Wednesday night movies. But, uh, I think they used- some  it. And the Wednesday one-I'm not sure who chose the Wednesday night movies. But, uh, I think they used- some 
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these had this- they had  these had this- they had 
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a book of all the movies. And they'd say: " Oh-look, rather than chop and change, we'll just start from a book of all the movies. And they'd say: " Oh-look, rather than chop and change, we'll just start from
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number one and we'll  number one and we'll 
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work right through to number 96-or whatever it was , you know? And apart from work right through to number 96-or whatever it was , you know? And apart from
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the- the- the- the chef - like the- the slushie, I'm picking one on Sunday night. And of course after you'd  the- the- the- the chef - like the- the slushie, I'm picking one on Sunday night. And of course after you'd 
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been through all the movies, it was then they'd be on been through all the movies, it was then they'd be on
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a 2nd time, you know-if- if- they had enough. Uh-yeah, I remember we saw quite  a 2nd time, you know-if- if- they had enough. Uh-yeah, I remember we saw quite 
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a few movies twice. And it didn't worry me because they were all good movies, you  a few movies twice. And it didn't worry me because they were all good movies, you 
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know- it was just- it was know- it was just- it was
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a great switch-off time to sort of lay back, and just forget about everything and get totally  a great switch-off time to sort of lay back, and just forget about everything and get totally 
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engrossed in that film and be entertained, you know? And be  engrossed in that film and be entertained, you know? And be 
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entertained by the blokes around you and all the comments and all that thing, as I said  entertained by the blokes around you and all the comments and all that thing, as I said 
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before, so those nights were great. [laughs] [Ingrid] Were you ever the projectionist? [Dave] No-never was. before, so those nights were great. [laughs] [Ingrid] Were you ever the projectionist? [Dave] No-never was.
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That was a job usually That was a job usually
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allotted to somebody early in the year; somebody wanted to be the projectionist and allotted to somebody early in the year; somebody wanted to be the projectionist and
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they either had an inkling for it or they'd done it before or they knew they either had an inkling for it or they'd done it before or they knew
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something about 'em. Um, and they- people just liked doing it and, um, splicing old films and all that something about 'em. Um, and they- people just liked doing it and, um, splicing old films and all that
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sort of thing. And keeping the thing in focus-or whatever it was. [laughs]  sort of thing. And keeping the thing in focus-or whatever it was. [laughs] 
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I think every year I went down there, there was somebody who virtually lasted all year as I think every year I went down there, there was somebody who virtually lasted all year as
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a projectionist, they- they didn't chop and change at all. They always had someone who-   a projectionist, they- they didn't chop and change at all. They always had someone who-  
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unless there was somebody away on  unless there was somebody away on 
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a field trip, sometimes-and- and this bloke wasn't there, there'd be, he'd break someone else a field trip, sometimes-and- and this bloke wasn't there, there'd be, he'd break someone else
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in to show 'em how to do it. And then he'd go back into his job when he came back. So... in to show 'em how to do it. And then he'd go back into his job when he came back. So...
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[Ingrid] Were there any films that were particular favourites of yours? [Dave]  Ah-yeah. Well, there was Pride and Prejudice with, um, with  [Ingrid] Were there any films that were particular favourites of yours? [Dave]  Ah-yeah. Well, there was Pride and Prejudice with, um, with 
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Greer Garson for example. That was Greer Garson for example. That was
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a classic. Mrs Miniver, you know? Um, and some of the old classics like, um, uh, with, uh,  a classic. Mrs Miniver, you know? Um, and some of the old classics like, um, uh, with, uh, 
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oh-what's his name? I saw him the other night - um, with Jean Simmons and, uh, uh, Kirk Douglas- oh-what's his name? I saw him the other night - um, with Jean Simmons and, uh, uh, Kirk Douglas-
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uh, Sparticus. And those- those old biblical type, um, films. Few of 'em-quite a few  uh, Sparticus. And those- those old biblical type, um, films. Few of 'em-quite a few 
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of those down there. Good old Westerns there, with, uh, James- uh, James Stewart for example. of those down there. Good old Westerns there, with, uh, James- uh, James Stewart for example.
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And a few with Audie Murphy in it, you know-uh, yeah, uh, great- great, uh, great variety and- and, um, And a few with Audie Murphy in it, you know-uh, yeah, uh, great- great, uh, great variety and- and, um,
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some of the rubbish you see in the movies today, you wouldn't give two bob for it,  some of the rubbish you see in the movies today, you wouldn't give two bob for it, 
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you know-with all the special effects that they've got in the thing. This was the  you know-with all the special effects that they've got in the thing. This was the 
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day of real movies, you know-when they had, um, the real actors they were the day of real movies, you know-when they had, um, the real actors they were the
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classic sort of, you know-old Hollywood people. And a lot of your good English actors  classic sort of, you know-old Hollywood people. And a lot of your good English actors 
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there too of course, but, uh, yeah. No-I'm just so glad that I- again I'll say this over and over again- there too of course, but, uh, yeah. No-I'm just so glad that I- again I'll say this over and over again-
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I'm so glad I experienced all those things in my years down there that   I'm so glad I experienced all those things in my years down there that  
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they don't. Well, it's missing out on that now. And some people they don't. Well, it's missing out on that now. And some people
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will go there and they think: "Oh-and this is how it always was." And because they- it's not there, so they  will go there and they think: "Oh-and this is how it always was." And because they- it's not there, so they 
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didn't know it was ever there. So, it- it's just a hell of a shame, because I think they'd get didn't know it was ever there. So, it- it's just a hell of a shame, because I think they'd get
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a lot of enjoyment out of that, but, you know-the modern things have taken over and it's just-  a lot of enjoyment out of that, but, you know-the modern things have taken over and it's just- 
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just a- look, you can't- you can't go back in time and- and the- you've gotta just accept it  just a- look, you can't- you can't go back in time and- and the- you've gotta just accept it 
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for what it is I suppose. I- I say to guys - the diesos who- who I deal with; I for what it is I suppose. I- I say to guys - the diesos who- who I deal with; I
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say to 'em: "Don't sit back and expect the year to happen for you-you've got to  say to 'em: "Don't sit back and expect the year to happen for you-you've got to 
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make it happen." You've gotta- it's what- you only get out of something what you  make it happen." You've gotta- it's what- you only get out of something what you 
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put into it and if you're gonna sit back and think you're gonna be  put into it and if you're gonna sit back and think you're gonna be 
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entertained and- and in drag for the year, you're going to be really disappointed about entertained and- and in drag for the year, you're going to be really disappointed about
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the whole- the whole year. You've just gotta- you gotta- the whole- the whole year. You've just gotta- you gotta-
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 if you get into the year- you've got to get into the year fast, really- you just get into it.  if you get into the year- you've got to get into the year fast, really- you just get into it.
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It's like going diving; you get into the dive early and- and- and enjoy it-you know? It's like going diving; you get into the dive early and- and- and enjoy it-you know?
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And- and if you sit back and sort of think: "Gee-what am I gonna do?" Or, you know: "Gee-is-"  And- and if you sit back and sort of think: "Gee-what am I gonna do?" Or, you know: "Gee-is-" 
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you know: "This is-is this what it was really you know: "This is-is this what it was really
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like?" You've just got to grab it by the throat and go for it. And- and the year is gone in like?" You've just got to grab it by the throat and go for it. And- and the year is gone in
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a flash-really it is. And you can be- you can have such a flash-really it is. And you can be- you can have such
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a good time down there if you- if- if you do that. Um, and you get involved in a good time down there if you- if- if you do that. Um, and you get involved in
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your job and- and the- and the people around you and the place. And it's just a great experience- your job and- and the- and the people around you and the place. And it's just a great experience-
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it's the whole thing. So, yeah- I- that's why I just tell blokes to- just- you gotta make it.  it's the whole thing. So, yeah- I- that's why I just tell blokes to- just- you gotta make it. 
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[Ingrid] Projects or hobbies when you were down there? [Dave] Oh-nothing special. I- the first year I took down  [Ingrid] Projects or hobbies when you were down there? [Dave] Oh-nothing special. I- the first year I took down 
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a lot of rubbish really and I never even open the boxes. When I got there I a lot of rubbish really and I never even open the boxes. When I got there I
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looked-I thought: "Good God! Look at all looked-I thought: "Good God! Look at all
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the stuff here to do". And I got into- I got into the Weazels for example at the stuff here to do". And I got into- I got into the Weazels for example at
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Casey. And, uh, I used to go back to the workshop at night. I- I just had tea and I  Casey. And, uh, I used to go back to the workshop at night. I- I just had tea and I 
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my overalls back on-back into the workshop and I'd be there 'till 11-12 o'clock at night and working on these old   my overalls back on-back into the workshop and I'd be there 'till 11-12 o'clock at night and working on these old  
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Weasels, because I just loved it-it was great. Just to get this thing going, it was a real  Weasels, because I just loved it-it was great. Just to get this thing going, it was a real 
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challenge. And people would say: "Haven't you had enough of the workshop-you've been here all day." And I'd  challenge. And people would say: "Haven't you had enough of the workshop-you've been here all day." And I'd 
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 say: "Yeah, but this different." You know? I mean.. [laughs] "This is something I want to do." You know? [laughs] so, You'd be in there  say: "Yeah, but this different." You know? I mean.. [laughs] "This is something I want to do." You know? [laughs] so, You'd be in there
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working on that. Um, and all the little- other little-the hobbies and junk I took down, I'd just- and the  working on that. Um, and all the little- other little-the hobbies and junk I took down, I'd just- and the 
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the 2nd time and 3rd and 4th and 5th-didn't take anything. 'Cause I knew when  the 2nd time and 3rd and 4th and 5th-didn't take anything. 'Cause I knew when 
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I went down there that there would be heaps of stuff to do. And, uh, I mean, in 1978- I went down there that there would be heaps of stuff to do. And, uh, I mean, in 1978-
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for example at Mawson, um, I- I made a- I said I'm gonna make a  for example at Mawson, um, I- I made a- I said I'm gonna make a 
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dog sledge this year-a model dog sledge and I'm gonna have it-  dog sledge this year-a model dog sledge and I'm gonna have it- 
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do a 1-6 scale and make it out of all the same materials as the dog sledge and I'm gonna   do a 1-6 scale and make it out of all the same materials as the dog sledge and I'm gonna  
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carve carve
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the little reindeer hide-you know, lashings-and I'm gonna make all the little bottle screws  the little reindeer hide-you know, lashings-and I'm gonna make all the little bottle screws 
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on the back-on the cross trays on the back. And- and I did. And it took me virtually all  on the back-on the cross trays on the back. And- and I did. And it took me virtually all 
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year to do it. And I- I steam-bent- I made a little thing and steam-bent all the  year to do it. And I- I steam-bent- I made a little thing and steam-bent all the 
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bridges; I laminated 'em all  bridges; I laminated 'em all 
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and steam-bent them all. And I still got the thing at home, and, you know-it twists and and steam-bent them all. And I still got the thing at home, and, you know-it twists and
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moves and it's live and it's- it's great. And I look back at that and I think-wow, you know-  moves and it's live and it's- it's great. And I look back at that and I think-wow, you know- 
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people say"Gee-how- how did you do that?" And I say: "Well-I just had a whole year to do it and I thought about how  people say"Gee-how- how did you do that?" And I say: "Well-I just had a whole year to do it and I thought about how 
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I was gonna do it-and I did it. I just set out and I achieved it"  I was gonna do it-and I did it. I just set out and I achieved it" 
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"No- I just started down there. And the only thing I got down there in the end- on the 1st "No- I just started down there. And the only thing I got down there in the end- on the 1st
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resupply at Mawson - on the first fly-in voyage, I got, uh, my wife at the time, I got her  resupply at Mawson - on the first fly-in voyage, I got, uh, my wife at the time, I got her 
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to go to a little shop in-oh she didn't go there, I got her to ring it up. There was a little  to go to a little shop in-oh she didn't go there, I got her to ring it up. There was a little 
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a model shop down the south coast of, uh, New South Wales, that sold little tools.And I needed  a model shop down the south coast of, uh, New South Wales, that sold little tools.And I needed 
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a very, very small left-hand tap, to- to, um, to tap out this bottle screw, you know a very, very small left-hand tap, to- to, um, to tap out this bottle screw, you know
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what a bottle  what a bottle 
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 screw is? Where you gotta- you can screw it- you screw this thing and the- the threads left-hand  screw is? Where you gotta- you can screw it- you screw this thing and the- the threads left-hand
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one end- one end and a right-hand in the other. And it will pull it in and one end- one end and a right-hand in the other. And it will pull it in and
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tighten the wire. And I needed  tighten the wire. And I needed 
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a left hand tap. And she sent that down to me and I- I- that was virtually the last a left hand tap. And she sent that down to me and I- I- that was virtually the last
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job I did was to tap out these little tiny bottle screws, so that I could tighten up the 2  job I did was to tap out these little tiny bottle screws, so that I could tighten up the 2 
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you know, the cross-wires on the back of a dog-sledge? Have you seen them? You know-on  you know, the cross-wires on the back of a dog-sledge? Have you seen them? You know-on 
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your handlebars- between your handlebars? There's- there's 2 stainless steel  wires your handlebars- between your handlebars? There's- there's 2 stainless steel  wires
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and you adjust 'em  and you adjust 'em 
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up to get the tension of the- to hold the thing together. So, uh, she sent that down and I  up to get the tension of the- to hold the thing together. So, uh, she sent that down and I 
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finished that off and the job was done then. And I put the wires on-made the little swages and I  finished that off and the job was done then. And I put the wires on-made the little swages and I 
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swaged up the wire and made little thimble eyes and- and, um, yeah-so, that was all- and I made a swaged up the wire and made little thimble eyes and- and, um, yeah-so, that was all- and I made a
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box to put it in and, I've still got it at home. You know? So-but that's  box to put it in and, I've still got it at home. You know? So-but that's 
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a really good keepsake to have for that year, yeah. [Ingrid] What else did you make while you were down there?  a really good keepsake to have for that year, yeah. [Ingrid] What else did you make while you were down there? 
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Oh-one year there in, uh, I think it was in '73-'73 at Casey it was.  Oh-one year there in, uh, I think it was in '73-'73 at Casey it was. 
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Yeah-no-it was, uh, yeah-'70...no it was '83, sorry. '83 at Case- at Mawson -'83 at Mawson. I made Yeah-no-it was, uh, yeah-'70...no it was '83, sorry. '83 at Case- at Mawson -'83 at Mawson. I made
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some little- um, for my daughter, who was, uh, she would have been  some little- um, for my daughter, who was, uh, she would have been 
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about 2- about 2-
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I suppose at the time - 2 maybe 3? I think she was born in '81-yeah she was 2-3.. Anyway,  I suppose at the time - 2 maybe 3? I think she was born in '81-yeah she was 2-3.. Anyway, 
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um, have you ever seen these penguins that they- they make out of this really thick, sort of-   um, have you ever seen these penguins that they- they make out of this really thick, sort of-  
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wood. And your- and your little axle and wheels. And- and you make their- their feet  wood. And your- and your little axle and wheels. And- and you make their- their feet 
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out of- out of, um, out of rubber on opposite sides of the wheels. So as they are walking it goes:  out of- out of, um, out of rubber on opposite sides of the wheels. So as they are walking it goes: 
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Flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap flap. You know-and you- you push 'em along with a  Flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap flap. You know-and you- you push 'em along with a 
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little sort of little sort of
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a rod in the back of 'em. And- and you make this, uh, incersion rubber it is-rubber. And you  a rod in the back of 'em. And- and you make this, uh, incersion rubber it is-rubber. And you 
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painted the ends of it white, like white tips on it, on the flippers. And it's  painted the ends of it white, like white tips on it, on the flippers. And it's 
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you sort of cut that into the body, so the flap - as you go along, it's waddling  you sort of cut that into the body, so the flap - as you go along, it's waddling 
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the flap- the flippers are sort of flapping beside, you know-  the flap- the flippers are sort of flapping beside, you know- 
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little beady eyes on 'em. And I made 2 of them for my daughter, you know? So- [laughs] [Ingrid] Does she still  little beady eyes on 'em. And I made 2 of them for my daughter, you know? So- [laughs] [Ingrid] Does she still 
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have them? [Dave] Yeah-I've still got 'em at home. And, uh, my daughter's 30 now, but she's-   have them? [Dave] Yeah-I've still got 'em at home. And, uh, my daughter's 30 now, but she's-  
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when I dug 'em out, and I had 'em in these boxes I had in my father's garage up at ?Hawkes?  when I dug 'em out, and I had 'em in these boxes I had in my father's garage up at ?Hawkes? 
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It was there for years and years, you know? And, uh, and she came down   It was there for years and years, you know? And, uh, and she came down  
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to my place here in Hobart there about, uh, 12 months ago I suppose. And I had these- I dug these  to my place here in Hobart there about, uh, 12 months ago I suppose. And I had these- I dug these 
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things out and  things out and 
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put 'em upstairs. And she said: "Oh! That's what happened to 'em" she said: "I always wondered what  happened put 'em upstairs. And she said: "Oh! That's what happened to 'em" she said: "I always wondered what  happened
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to those?" And she said: "Oh-it's great that you've kept 'em." You know- 'Cause uh, and she wants to have  to those?" And she said: "Oh-it's great that you've kept 'em." You know- 'Cause uh, and she wants to have 
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them too, you know-don't want 'em." I said: "Yeah- them too, you know-don't want 'em." I said: "Yeah-
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"Yeah, take 'em-whatever you like." You know-she's got something to look back on. [Ingrid] So, those things you took down on the very  "Yeah, take 'em-whatever you like." You know-she's got something to look back on. [Ingrid] So, those things you took down on the very 
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1st trip-Casey '72. You said you'd never opened them. [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid] What were they? [Dave] Oh-little bits of  1st trip-Casey '72. You said you'd never opened them. [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid] What were they? [Dave] Oh-little bits of 
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hobbies and, um, God-I couldn't even remember now. [laughs] All these things I  hobbies and, um, God-I couldn't even remember now. [laughs] All these things I 
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had to do: I was gonna- I- one- one thing I did do was- was to- was to write- I kept  had to do: I was gonna- I- one- one thing I did do was- was to- was to write- I kept 
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a diary in '72 - and I wrote in the diary every night, uh, about the whole day scene  a diary in '72 - and I wrote in the diary every night, uh, about the whole day scene 
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and- and all the events . And I put little samples of things in there and it's a fairly and- and all the events . And I put little samples of things in there and it's a fairly
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thick sort of a book. Uh, and I went- when I went to, uh, it's still sitting in thick sort of a book. Uh, and I went- when I went to, uh, it's still sitting in
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a box at home-I've never done anything with it. Interesting to read it one day. But- I've got- I started to do the exactly the a box at home-I've never done anything with it. Interesting to read it one day. But- I've got- I started to do the exactly the
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same at Case- at Mawson in '74 when I went there-2 years later. And I wrote in that diary  same at Case- at Mawson in '74 when I went there-2 years later. And I wrote in that diary 
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right up until the day that Jeff Cameron was killed. Uh, he was the, uh, the- the chippy. right up until the day that Jeff Cameron was killed. Uh, he was the, uh, the- the chippy.
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And he went over And he went over
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a cliff, up in- over in East Bay and- and he- and he- he- he was- he was killed instantly a cliff, up in- over in East Bay and- and he- and he- he- he was- he was killed instantly
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when he went over the cliff and sort of hit the ice. He was on  when he went over the cliff and sort of hit the ice. He was on 
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a toboggan that he had just built and- with a  a toboggan that he had just built and- with a 
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 couple of other guys and he just veered off track and went over the cliff. And I  couple of other guys and he just veered off track and went over the cliff. And I
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was out in the field at the time, on a- on a, um, a depot-   was out in the field at the time, on a- on a, um, a depot-  
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a fuel laying depot at, um-we were at, um, Mount Twintop. And we were gonna go inland  a fuel laying depot at, um-we were at, um, Mount Twintop. And we were gonna go inland 
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put the fuel- it was just the Autumn traverse, it was called. And we were- I was with Jack  put the fuel- it was just the Autumn traverse, it was called. And we were- I was with Jack 
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Turner Turner
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and a few other people and we went inland to leave all the fuel ready for the Spring travelers and a few other people and we went inland to leave all the fuel ready for the Spring travelers
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to pick it up and go on to Knuckey Peaks and after that they went into Mount King.     to pick it up and go on to Knuckey Peaks and after that they went into Mount King.    
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It was about a 5 year program in- but we were setting the place up. Uh, it was for the En- Enderby land;  It was about a 5 year program in- but we were setting the place up. Uh, it was for the En- Enderby land; 
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it was Enderby land. Uh, because, they'd finished all the work they wanted to do in the it was Enderby land. Uh, because, they'd finished all the work they wanted to do in the
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Southern Prince Charles mountains which was- that's a place I wanted to go to but I got Southern Prince Charles mountains which was- that's a place I wanted to go to but I got
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to go there later on but - many years later  to go there later on but - many years later 
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but, um, so, the- the party- they rang us up- well they- they sent us Morse code, telling us we had to  but, um, so, the- the party- they rang us up- well they- they sent us Morse code, telling us we had to 
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come back to the station. And, uh, they weren't- they weren't trying to- they- they were  come back to the station. And, uh, they weren't- they weren't trying to- they- they were 
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the operator said: 'He's trying to tell us something." You know-and he said: "Something's going wrong at the operator said: 'He's trying to tell us something." You know-and he said: "Something's going wrong at
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the station." And, uh, anyway in the end he-  the station." And, uh, anyway in the end he- 
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we found out what it was. He changed frequency or something or other and he told us that this we found out what it was. He changed frequency or something or other and he told us that this
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bloke had been killed and for us to come back to the station. So we just- we sort of bloke had been killed and for us to come back to the station. So we just- we sort of
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packed up camp then. And, uh, we were try- we were trying to go in further, but we didn't, we just   packed up camp then. And, uh, we were try- we were trying to go in further, but we didn't, we just  
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left it at Twintops and all the fuel there, and we went back to Mawson. We just drove left it at Twintops and all the fuel there, and we went back to Mawson. We just drove
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 all night and all day and got back to Mawson the- sort of the next ni- next evening     all night and all day and got back to Mawson the- sort of the next ni- next evening   
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I think it was. And then they had- they had the funeral and we- the- Jeff  I think it was. And then they had- they had the funeral and we- the- Jeff 
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Cameron was in a- they put him- he- he was in Cameron was in a- they put him- he- he was in
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a coffin down in the, uh, in the old hangar at Mawson. And the sea ice had set by this stage.  a coffin down in the, uh, in the old hangar at Mawson. And the sea ice had set by this stage. 
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 And so- and we were issued with all new wind-proofs - yellow wind-proofs they had in those   And so- and we were issued with all new wind-proofs - yellow wind-proofs they had in those 
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days, top and bottom. And, um, we had this sort of, um, funeral procession that towed  days, top and bottom. And, um, we had this sort of, um, funeral procession that towed 
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the- the- the coffin on the- the- the coffin on
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a dog sledge across the harbour, and then, uh, we carried it up the rocks to where a dog sledge across the harbour, and then, uh, we carried it up the rocks to where
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the 3 graves are-now there's 3 graves. Well, there's actually more than that , well that's with the 3 graves are-now there's 3 graves. Well, there's actually more than that , well that's with
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Phil ?Loris- Phil and Nell Lora? are up there as well. And we towed it up and Phil ?Loris- Phil and Nell Lora? are up there as well. And we towed it up and
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then had the ceremony and then put all the rocks; we stacked all the rocks on top of then had the ceremony and then put all the rocks; we stacked all the rocks on top of
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the coffin and the Station Leader read the eulogy sort of thing and, um, but the coffin and the Station Leader read the eulogy sort of thing and, um, but
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we couldn't hear what he said-the wind was blowing so hard and it was just- it was we couldn't hear what he said-the wind was blowing so hard and it was just- it was
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just just
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a matter of going through the actions and everybody was sort of, you know- pretty cold. a matter of going through the actions and everybody was sort of, you know- pretty cold.
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And then we went back to the bar in- in the station and- and had And then we went back to the bar in- in the station and- and had
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a few beers and a wake, sort of thing, for him, and- and that was it. But after that night - a few beers and a wake, sort of thing, for him, and- and that was it. But after that night -
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uh, I never wrote another word in my diary; I'd stopped writing after that uh, I never wrote another word in my diary; I'd stopped writing after that
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because Jeff was in the same donga as I was. Um, and he was just straight across the because Jeff was in the same donga as I was. Um, and he was just straight across the
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corridor from where I was; I was in Wilkins - Wilkins donga at Mawson.  corridor from where I was; I was in Wilkins - Wilkins donga at Mawson. 
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It's still there - they didn't knock- knock that donga down-which was great. I'll talk   It's still there - they didn't knock- knock that donga down-which was great. I'll talk  
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about Mawson later about that. But, uh, and Jeff was in the- sort of diagonally opposite my  about Mawson later about that. But, uh, and Jeff was in the- sort of diagonally opposite my 
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um, thing. And I- I used to play  um, thing. And I- I used to play 
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guitar and- and I was in the- I remember one Sunday I think it was... and I don't know whether he'd   guitar and- and I was in the- I remember one Sunday I think it was... and I don't know whether he'd  
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been...this is before I went on the traverse. And- and  I used to go in my donga on some days and just  been...this is before I went on the traverse. And- and  I used to go in my donga on some days and just 
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play the guitar and stuff and- and he'd be- he'd either been on night-watch or  play the guitar and stuff and- and he'd be- he'd either been on night-watch or 
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something or other and he was lying in his donga. And his donga was- the donga's in those days  something or other and he was lying in his donga. And his donga was- the donga's in those days 
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weren't like the rooms we get now, when you go into the into the red shed which are pretty weren't like the rooms we get now, when you go into the into the red shed which are pretty
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nice and clean and-give or take, you know-depends on who's been in -but things that are modern, sort of   nice and clean and-give or take, you know-depends on who's been in -but things that are modern, sort of  
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materials. But those old dongas were pretty ratty. And they'd been there since  materials. But those old dongas were pretty ratty. And they'd been there since 
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1954, uh, '55 whatever, and everybody- the rules in those days 1954, uh, '55 whatever, and everybody- the rules in those days
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were: The donga is your place. You can do what   were: The donga is your place. You can do what  
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you like to it. Well, some guys painted 'em purple, some guys nailed gauze on the walls, some guys did-  you like to it. Well, some guys painted 'em purple, some guys nailed gauze on the walls, some guys did- 
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you wouldn't believe what they did in those dongas. [laughs] [Ingrid] Hmm. [Dave]And- they didn't care, you know?  you wouldn't believe what they did in those dongas. [laughs] [Ingrid] Hmm. [Dave]And- they didn't care, you know? 
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And some guys were really neat and they painted them out and they got  And some guys were really neat and they painted them out and they got 
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'em all set up and, um, but poor old Jeff, he- he- his donga that he took over was just- it was   'em all set up and, um, but poor old Jeff, he- he- his donga that he took over was just- it was  
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just, uh...oh it was terrible. And he- really  just, uh...oh it was terrible. And he- really 
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he'd been working like everyone else flat out to get- do things and get organised and  he'd been working like everyone else flat out to get- do things and get organised and 
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he hadn't had much time to move in and get his donga cleaned up-to enjoy his donga for the year he hadn't had much time to move in and get his donga cleaned up-to enjoy his donga for the year
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as he wanted. And he was lying in bed there and I didn't realise he was as he wanted. And he was lying in bed there and I didn't realise he was
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there trying to sleep. And I'm there thrashing away on the guitar, and all of a sudden, I got up and   there trying to sleep. And I'm there thrashing away on the guitar, and all of a sudden, I got up and  
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I walk past and Jeff's lying there and I said: "Oh-jeez! Sorry mate. I didn't- I didn't know you were, um, you were in  I walk past and Jeff's lying there and I said: "Oh-jeez! Sorry mate. I didn't- I didn't know you were, um, you were in 
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your donga." Because everyone else was out doing stuff, you know-it was through the day. And I- funny-   your donga." Because everyone else was out doing stuff, you know-it was through the day. And I- funny-  
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I had the funniest feeling, you know. I mean, he- he had 3 lovely young kids and a I had the funniest feeling, you know. I mean, he- he had 3 lovely young kids and a
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wife and 3 kids - of course. And, uh, uh, and he- he really missed his family. That was  wife and 3 kids - of course. And, uh, uh, and he- he really missed his family. That was 
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that was for sure. And, um, and- and I- when I- when I, uh, I just had a-  that was for sure. And, um, and- and I- when I- when I, uh, I just had a- 
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I had this- you know you get these funny feelings? You know-and I- I- I just...I don't know, it's   I had this- you know you get these funny feelings? You know-and I- I- I just...I don't know, it's  
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sort of hard to explain this.. but I- I just knew that- I just knew that he wasn't going sort of hard to explain this.. but I- I just knew that- I just knew that he wasn't going
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to make it home, for some reason at that stage. I just can't explain why. Uh, and then, bugger me, to make it home, for some reason at that stage. I just can't explain why. Uh, and then, bugger me,
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a few weeks later when we'd gone and he was killed, I- I thought: "Gee wiz-it's amazing. a few weeks later when we'd gone and he was killed, I- I thought: "Gee wiz-it's amazing.
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How did I ever think like that? And why did I have a feeling like that? And I couldn't never  How did I ever think like that? And why did I have a feeling like that? And I couldn't never 
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explain that, it was- it was weird. Um, but, you know-but, ah, I know we're getting  explain that, it was- it was weird. Um, but, you know-but, ah, I know we're getting 
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off Casey here but, uh, my mum - we left from- from Freemantle to go down to Case- down to  off Casey here but, uh, my mum - we left from- from Freemantle to go down to Case- down to 
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Mawson that year. And my mum came over to see me off. And she took  Mawson that year. And my mum came over to see me off. And she took 
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a photo of us. In those days everybody on- the expedition lined up on the- on the  a photo of us. In those days everybody on- the expedition lined up on the- on the 
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wharf and there was some minister or somebody - a local dignitary or whatever, wharf and there was some minister or somebody - a local dignitary or whatever,
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used to sing the- exped- give a bit of a speech and, you know: Ra, ra, ra, and talk  used to sing the- exped- give a bit of a speech and, you know: Ra, ra, ra, and talk 
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all about what we're gonna do and everything. And my mum  all about what we're gonna do and everything. And my mum 
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took a photograph of the line-up and then took a photograph of the line-up and then
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a couple of close shots of me. And there was a- and Jeff a couple of close shots of me. And there was a- and Jeff
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was standing beside me in the line-up. And when he was killed, um, and, ah  was standing beside me in the line-up. And when he was killed, um, and, ah 
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Mrs Rob-you might remember Mrs Robinson? She-  Mrs Rob-you might remember Mrs Robinson? She- 
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my mum and her used to sort of correspond fairly regularly. And they did for years and my mum and her used to sort of correspond fairly regularly. And they did for years and
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years after I stopped going down South, you know-until she died but-um, well, my mum died first, but, uh,  years after I stopped going down South, you know-until she died but-um, well, my mum died first, but, uh, 
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Anyway, she-  Anyway, she- 
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my mum said: "Send all the pictures to Mrs Rob." Hoping that there would be  my mum said: "Send all the pictures to Mrs Rob." Hoping that there would be 
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a picture of Jeff. And she said: "There he is-he's right beside Dave." And so, and-and  Jeff  a picture of Jeff. And she said: "There he is-he's right beside Dave." And so, and-and  Jeff 
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and then things went on and Jeff Cameron's mother-uh, his mother to start with. Jeff Cameron's  and then things went on and Jeff Cameron's mother-uh, his mother to start with. Jeff Cameron's 
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mother was still alive. And she wanted a picture- this picture  mother was still alive. And she wanted a picture- this picture 
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this photograph that my mother had taken. And then his wife got  this photograph that my mother had taken. And then his wife got 
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a copy of it too because that was the last photograph of- of him a copy of it too because that was the last photograph of- of him
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alive. "Cause they didn't go to see him off from- from Fremantle. And so it's alive. "Cause they didn't go to see him off from- from Fremantle. And so it's
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a really good- good shot- shot of-  it's a good- good picture of Jeff and they were really appreciate of  a really good- good shot- shot of-  it's a good- good picture of Jeff and they were really appreciate of 
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the fact that- that you know-mum said: "Yeah-take all the pictures you want" you know-  the fact that- that you know-mum said: "Yeah-take all the pictures you want" you know- 
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And that they have- they have this last shot of, um, of Jeff, ah, before he left...so yeah.  And that they have- they have this last shot of, um, of Jeff, ah, before he left...so yeah. 
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[Ingrid] [When Jeff ]?died, who made the coffin for him? [Dave] Uh, the coffin was made by, um, uh, the plumber. [Ingrid] [When Jeff ]?died, who made the coffin for him? [Dave] Uh, the coffin was made by, um, uh, the plumber.
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who- who then took over the chippies job. Now, the plumber: I'm trying to think of this plumber's name. [Ingrid] So Jeff who- who then took over the chippies job. Now, the plumber: I'm trying to think of this plumber's name. [Ingrid] So Jeff
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was the chippie or the carpenter? [Dave] Jeff was the chippie-yes, that's right. He was   was the chippie or the carpenter? [Dave] Jeff was the chippie-yes, that's right. He was  
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the carpenter, yeah. [Ingrid] And did you guys put in any special touches or notes, or anything like that into the coffin? [Dave] No. I the carpenter, yeah. [Ingrid] And did you guys put in any special touches or notes, or anything like that into the coffin? [Dave] No. I
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didn't. I don't think anybody did really. Uh, no. I think it wasn't -it wasn't that sort of didn't. I don't think anybody did really. Uh, no. I think it wasn't -it wasn't that sort of
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it wasn't that sort of group really. Everybody was just  totally stunned by what had happened and, uh,  it wasn't that sort of group really. Everybody was just  totally stunned by what had happened and, uh, 
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the doctor was, uh, Bill Beale...Bill-he came from Western Australia  the doctor was, uh, Bill Beale...Bill-he came from Western Australia 
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he's still alive. Um, and, uh, yeah. I didn't hear of anybody he's still alive. Um, and, uh, yeah. I didn't hear of anybody
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doing anything like that. I mean, they-yeah. [Ingrid] How did it affect the base? [Dave] Ah-pretty doing anything like that. I mean, they-yeah. [Ingrid] How did it affect the base? [Dave] Ah-pretty
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 dramatically I think. Um, but people got over it, and- and I wouldn't say got over it  - people   dramatically I think. Um, but people got over it, and- and I wouldn't say got over it  - people 
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just got on with their jobs and got on with the year but, uh, it was - it had  just got on with their jobs and got on with the year but, uh, it was - it had 
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a hell of an impact on me; probably more so when I went home. Uh, and I used to  a hell of an impact on me; probably more so when I went home. Uh, and I used to 
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think when we arrived back at the Wharf-back in Melbourne, uh, and, I mean,  think when we arrived back at the Wharf-back in Melbourne, uh, and, I mean, 
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Jeff wasn't there and obviously his wife wasn't gonna be at the Wharf. That's the last thing she   Jeff wasn't there and obviously his wife wasn't gonna be at the Wharf. That's the last thing she  
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would want to do, But, um, my folks were there, but, they- they, uh,   would want to do, But, um, my folks were there, but, they- they, uh,  
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we used to always talk about the fact that, you know-his- his 3 little kids would have  we used to always talk about the fact that, you know-his- his 3 little kids would have 
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known that the ship came in today, but their father wasn't  going to be on board- you know? known that the ship came in today, but their father wasn't  going to be on board- you know?
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I mean-he never come home again. And it's- it was-oh God, how...I went-1974 how long ago was that?  I mean-he never come home again. And it's- it was-oh God, how...I went-1974 how long ago was that? 
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That's 30 odd years- almost 30 years ago and it's just amazing. Um, and I often wonder what happened to all  That's 30 odd years- almost 30 years ago and it's just amazing. Um, and I often wonder what happened to all 
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that...happened to the family. I heard that his- that Jeff's wife eventually re-married but the bloke  that...happened to the family. I heard that his- that Jeff's wife eventually re-married but the bloke 
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she married gave her a really hard time and- and, uh, it was- she made  she married gave her a really hard time and- and, uh, it was- she made 
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a mistake in- in marrying him apparently, but, uh-yeah, I- I just- I heard it on the grapevine  a mistake in- in marrying him apparently, but, uh-yeah, I- I just- I heard it on the grapevine 
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you know-my mum sort of said Mrs Rob told her that-but, um-yeah...[Ingrid] Dave did you have any other major medical    you know-my mum sort of said Mrs Rob told her that-but, um-yeah...[Ingrid] Dave did you have any other major medical   
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emergencies or deaths during other years you were down there? [Dave] Um... No. emergencies or deaths during other years you were down there? [Dave] Um... No.
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Jeff was the only one who died while I was there. We had-oh, the other- I think  Jeff was the only one who died while I was there. We had-oh, the other- I think 
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I mentioned last time about the plant inspector having his foot crushed at Casey? I mentioned  I mentioned last time about the plant inspector having his foot crushed at Casey? I mentioned 
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 that the last time we were talking. Look, we had- and we had- Mike Cahill of  course  that the last time we were talking. Look, we had- and we had- Mike Cahill of  course
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had his thumb torn off - and he's grabbing hold of a shaft of had his thumb torn off - and he's grabbing hold of a shaft of
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a rotating rock-drill. And his glove caught it and- and wrapped around it  a rotating rock-drill. And his glove caught it and- and wrapped around it 
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and he- he panicked and pulled it out and it just pulled his thumb off right at his  joint, and the   and he- he panicked and pulled it out and it just pulled his thumb off right at his  joint, and the  
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tendon right  tendon right 
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up his arm. Um, and- and Brian Erickson was the doctor. Now Brian - I don't know if you've ever heard  up his arm. Um, and- and Brian Erickson was the doctor. Now Brian - I don't know if you've ever heard 
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about Brian Erickson? He was a  about Brian Erickson? He was a 
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 young bloke-virtually straight out of university, that we found it very hard to get  young bloke-virtually straight out of university, that we found it very hard to get
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a doctor that year. We almost- I think they almost didn't go because we didn't go because a doctor that year. We almost- I think they almost didn't go because we didn't go because
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we didn't- couldn't get we didn't- couldn't get
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a doctor. [Ingrid] What year was that? [Dave] 1972. [Ingrid] Yeah. [Dave] Brian Erickson: And he went- he was OK to a doctor. [Ingrid] What year was that? [Dave] 1972. [Ingrid] Yeah. [Dave] Brian Erickson: And he went- he was OK to
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start with and then he...well, everybody reckoned he went 'round the twist. And- and he - he- he was, I  start with and then he...well, everybody reckoned he went 'round the twist. And- and he - he- he was, I 
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think it was because he had nothing to do. He- he- he was- he- he didn't- he couldn't get himself  think it was because he had nothing to do. He- he- he was- he- he didn't- he couldn't get himself 
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organised over the fact that he wasn't going to have  organised over the fact that he wasn't going to have 
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a lot of patients coming through his door every every a lot of patients coming through his door every every
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like you do here. And, um, and he - oh...[sighs] he did some weird things; like like you do here. And, um, and he - oh...[sighs] he did some weird things; like
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I- I don't  I- I don't 
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wanna-sort of, go in to all the depth about all these things, but, he- he, one wanna-sort of, go in to all the depth about all these things, but, he- he, one
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of the things he did, he painted the- he painted the surgery white. And I- of the things he did, he painted the- he painted the surgery white. And I-
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he painted everything: He painted the windows, the floor-he painted the operating table. He  he painted everything: He painted the windows, the floor-he painted the operating table. He 
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just painted it. I mean, he was really- he was around the bend I reckon. Um,  just painted it. I mean, he was really- he was around the bend I reckon. Um, 
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And he'd go to-  And he'd go to- 
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 he'd go down to the Mess and he'd line up with everybody else and he'd- he'd, uh, he'd get- he'd go   he'd go down to the Mess and he'd line up with everybody else and he'd- he'd, uh, he'd get- he'd go 
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along and fill his plate up with stuff and look at it and then he'd just go: Shhoo- and dump it all in the  along and fill his plate up with stuff and look at it and then he'd just go: Shhoo- and dump it all in the 
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garbage bin, you know-and then he'd just leave the room. And people would say: "Look at it-what a waste of food!"  garbage bin, you know-and then he'd just leave the room. And people would say: "Look at it-what a waste of food!" 
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What a waste of stuff-you know. Anyway-but...[sighs] Yeah. [Ingrid] A lot of people talk about, um, mid winter blues; What a waste of stuff-you know. Anyway-but...[sighs] Yeah. [Ingrid] A lot of people talk about, um, mid winter blues;
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a bit depressed down there- [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid]- anyway. Do you think that's a common problem down South?   a bit depressed down there- [Dave] Hmm. [Ingrid]- anyway. Do you think that's a common problem down South?  
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Look, I- basically-no. I don't think so. Uh, and if blokes do-  Look, I- basically-no. I don't think so. Uh, and if blokes do- 
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a lot of guys hide it. They- they- um, I-I- I don't think- mid-winters to me, oh- look  a lot of guys hide it. They- they- um, I-I- I don't think- mid-winters to me, oh- look 
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I- I- I never felt down any time I went down there.  I- I- I never felt down any time I went down there. 
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[laughs] I just- I didn't want to come home! I mean-I thought it was great. [laughs] But obviously  [laughs] I just- I didn't want to come home! I mean-I thought it was great. [laughs] But obviously 
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well-people with families and that-they miss their families. And I guess telephones well-people with families and that-they miss their families. And I guess telephones
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these days are a big- there- they're a real- they're a real killer for these days are a big- there- they're a real- they're a real killer for
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a lot of blokes, you know? They get on the 'phone  a lot of blokes, you know? They get on the 'phone 
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and they- that's all they want to hear; their wife talking or their girlfriend talking and they go on  and they- that's all they want to hear; their wife talking or their girlfriend talking and they go on 
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 and on and then - especially blokes with girlfriends who- who leave 'em in the end, or you know-and   and on and then - especially blokes with girlfriends who- who leave 'em in the end, or you know-and 
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spend all his money ringing 'em up, or - or they've gone for 9 spend all his money ringing 'em up, or - or they've gone for 9
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or 10 months of the year, and then all of a sudden they ring up and say: "Listen Charlie-I've found someone  or 10 months of the year, and then all of a sudden they ring up and say: "Listen Charlie-I've found someone 
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 else. I'll, you know-see you later." And, poor old Charlie- [laughs] He's: "God no!   else. I'll, you know-see you later." And, poor old Charlie- [laughs] He's: "God no! 
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I've got all this money." You know? Um, and then there's the stories about the girlfriends who- who I've got all this money." You know? Um, and then there's the stories about the girlfriends who- who
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con the blokes out-well before they get back and take all their money and all the furniture  con the blokes out-well before they get back and take all their money and all the furniture 
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and they get back- there's quite and they get back- there's quite
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a few of those I've known. Um, and they just go home to nothing at all. And everything's  a few of those I've known. Um, and they just go home to nothing at all. And everything's 
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gone and they're just shot through, um, because they were silly enough to sort of-leave this gone and they're just shot through, um, because they were silly enough to sort of-leave this
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person in charge of all their finances and- and their- the key to the flat, and  person in charge of all their finances and- and their- the key to the flat, and 
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the whole lot, you know-and- and it's all gone. And they think: "Oh God." Some blokes wanna just  the whole lot, you know-and- and it's all gone. And they think: "Oh God." Some blokes wanna just 
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jump over the cliff, you know? You'd feel like that after a whole year, I mean how you can  jump over the cliff, you know? You'd feel like that after a whole year, I mean how you can 
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trust someone like that and then they just- they just abuse the whole thing. Yeah-um, but look  trust someone like that and then they just- they just abuse the whole thing. Yeah-um, but look 
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yeah-back to the mid-winter blues; I- I'd-no- I- I just, obviously there were blokes who yeah-back to the mid-winter blues; I- I'd-no- I- I just, obviously there were blokes who
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were affected and they sort of-shrunk back into themselves were affected and they sort of-shrunk back into themselves
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a bit and- and didn't attend some things; didn't get into things and, oh, sometimes a bit and- and didn't attend some things; didn't get into things and, oh, sometimes
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the blokes  the blokes 
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were like that. I used to-sort of try and get 'em out and invite 'em to do things with me  were like that. I used to-sort of try and get 'em out and invite 'em to do things with me 
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and get 'em involved in stuff again; stop them thinking about home, you know? It- it was  and get 'em involved in stuff again; stop them thinking about home, you know? It- it was 
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good at Mawson because you could go on so many trips and walks up to the mountains and- and the  good at Mawson because you could go on so many trips and walks up to the mountains and- and the 
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huts, more so than Casey. Um, and just keep people- people involved. And this business huts, more so than Casey. Um, and just keep people- people involved. And this business
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about the sun and being dark and everybody ?inaudible? - that's a lot about the sun and being dark and everybody ?inaudible? - that's a lot
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of rubbish far as I'm concerned. But, I mean, some people used to- it used to of rubbish far as I'm concerned. But, I mean, some people used to- it used to
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affect them. Um, the- the sun was really only gone for  affect them. Um, the- the sun was really only gone for 
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a few weeks-you know.  It was down below the horizon; it was a sign- it's a nice day, it was still   a few weeks-you know.  It was down below the horizon; it was a sign- it's a nice day, it was still  
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well enough and just didn't - just didn't worry about it at all-yeah. [Ingrid] So, you did about, um, well enough and just didn't - just didn't worry about it at all-yeah. [Ingrid] So, you did about, um,
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??women wintered and about half of them were after-women wintered.?? [Dave] Hmm. Hmm. [Ingrid] What's your first- sort of-personal feeling on women?? [Bad audio]  ??women wintered and about half of them were after-women wintered.?? [Dave] Hmm. Hmm. [Ingrid] What's your first- sort of-personal feeling on women?? [Bad audio] 
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Well the 1st year at, um, we were at Casey obviously and Mawson. Uh, was- was-  Well the 1st year at, um, we were at Casey obviously and Mawson. Uh, was- was- 
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was out- without any women - it was just all blokes. And- and I- yeah-it didn't really worry me  was out- without any women - it was just all blokes. And- and I- yeah-it didn't really worry me 
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I mean, I- I just- uh, we just did the job and had I mean, I- I just- uh, we just did the job and had
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a good time and really, I mean-the fact there was no women there didn't bother me at a good time and really, I mean-the fact there was no women there didn't bother me at
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all. And then the- the next year-when was it? '83-there were- all. And then the- the next year-when was it? '83-there were-
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the doctor was a woman- that's right-the doctor was a woman.  the doctor was a woman- that's right-the doctor was a woman. 
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And there was another- there was gonna be 2-there was gonna be another  And there was another- there was gonna be 2-there was gonna be another 
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one, uh, but she was sent home. Um, because something happened on the ship on the way   one, uh, but she was sent home. Um, because something happened on the ship on the way  
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down. And they reckoned she'd be a bad influence to people so they just sent her home. I won't   down. And they reckoned she'd be a bad influence to people so they just sent her home. I won't  
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mention her name. [Laughs] [Ingrid] I know who it is. [Dave] Uh, yeah. OK. Anyway, so-  mention her name. [Laughs] [Ingrid] I know who it is. [Dave] Uh, yeah. OK. Anyway, so- 
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 but the doctor, um, with us, uh, she ended up teaming up with, uh, with one of the D.A.C   but the doctor, um, with us, uh, she ended up teaming up with, uh, with one of the D.A.C 
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plumbers I think. And I think they were together for many years after they went back, plumbers I think. And I think they were together for many years after they went back,
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I don't know if they still are. Um, ah, that was Robin-Robin...somebody...I think, I've forgotten her name now. I don't know if they still are. Um, ah, that was Robin-Robin...somebody...I think, I've forgotten her name now.
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Anyway-and then in  Anyway-and then in 
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86' we had Denice- 86' we had Denice-
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Allen: Denice Allen was there in '86 at Mawson. And she came in- she-they flew her in  Allen: Denice Allen was there in '86 at Mawson. And she came in- she-they flew her in 
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Oh-that's- this is a long story. We won't go into it. Look, the polar Oh-that's- this is a long story. We won't go into it. Look, the polar
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bird broke the- broke it's gear or something in the- in the- the drive, and couldn't get  bird broke the- broke it's gear or something in the- in the- the drive, and couldn't get 
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get into it- into our- our station. So they did a quick run around with the Nella Dan and they did  get into it- into our- our station. So they did a quick run around with the Nella Dan and they did 
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a - a quick drop off of food to supply us to the end of the season to keep us going; we got a - a quick drop off of food to supply us to the end of the season to keep us going; we got
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no spare parts for the engines, and no this and no that. And it was really-that became no spare parts for the engines, and no this and no that. And it was really-that became
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a really social year, because we had no programs. We couldn't get into the field much-we did a really social year, because we had no programs. We couldn't get into the field much-we did
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do one for a Brookfield, um, project out to an automatic weather  do one for a Brookfield, um, project out to an automatic weather 
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station, uh, to get the batteries going and getting out. But that's about the only time we went in  station, uh, to get the batteries going and getting out. But that's about the only time we went in 
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the field. And I think we did a few dog-trips from memory. But that's the field. And I think we did a few dog-trips from memory. But that's
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about it, but every Saturday night it was a matter of- or every second Saturday night they had some   about it, but every Saturday night it was a matter of- or every second Saturday night they had some  
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group had- had- had put on  group had- had- had put on 
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a show, where you had to- they'd- they'd name- put a theme up for the night, you know- with an Arab  a show, where you had to- they'd- they'd name- put a theme up for the night, you know- with an Arab 
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night or a Turkish night or whatever it was-or wine night or something. And they'd decorate  night or a Turkish night or whatever it was-or wine night or something. And they'd decorate 
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the whole of the- the, uh, the old-this was the old mess now; this is in the old  the whole of the- the, uh, the old-this was the old mess now; this is in the old 
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station. And you could do what   station. And you could do what  
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you like down there. It's not like the Mess at, up- up at Mawson now you- some of the   you like down there. It's not like the Mess at, up- up at Mawson now you- some of the  
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God-you wouldn't dare do anything up there- God-you wouldn't dare do anything up there-
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like we do- used to do down the old place at- um. [laughs] Yeah, some of the nights down there were amazing.  like we do- used to do down the old place at- um. [laughs] Yeah, some of the nights down there were amazing. 
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Like-they- they covered the whole floor with- with building- with sand and stuff, you know? To make a  Like-they- they covered the whole floor with- with building- with sand and stuff, you know? To make a 
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desert and stuff like that. And they put the palm trees up and- [laughs] You'd never do   desert and stuff like that. And they put the palm trees up and- [laughs] You'd never do  
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that up in the red shed or the carpet and all- you'd have to put plastic down I suppose-you can do it  that up in the red shed or the carpet and all- you'd have to put plastic down I suppose-you can do it 
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that way. But, yeah. Um, but some of the nights we had, we had a, uh, we had a  that way. But, yeah. Um, but some of the nights we had, we had a, uh, we had a 
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a- a- what was it? It was  a- a- what was it? It was 
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a space night or something or other where everyone got dressed up in- as Martians and space-  a space night or something or other where everyone got dressed up in- as Martians and space- 
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And some of the gear that- some of the ideas that people had, you know- like I made this space suit And some of the gear that- some of the ideas that people had, you know- like I made this space suit
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with a bubble and all the gear. And we had the ray guns and  with a bubble and all the gear. And we had the ray guns and 
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the whole lot. And- and it was terrific fun. And all the special food that was made for that night the whole lot. And- and it was terrific fun. And all the special food that was made for that night
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as well, it was all good-yeah. [Ingrid] So everyone made all their own costumes did they? [Dave] Yeah. That's right, yeah. You had all this time to do as well, it was all good-yeah. [Ingrid] So everyone made all their own costumes did they? [Dave] Yeah. That's right, yeah. You had all this time to do
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it. It seemed like we just- people said: "Did you do any work that year?" I mean...[laughs] And we did! it. It seemed like we just- people said: "Did you do any work that year?" I mean...[laughs] And we did!
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Of course we kept the power station going and we fixed up the vehicles as much as we  Of course we kept the power station going and we fixed up the vehicles as much as we 
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could, and with what we had. And everybody also just chipped along-but, uh, yeah-we had could, and with what we had. And everybody also just chipped along-but, uh, yeah-we had
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a lot of time; a lot of time was spent on making stuff for the- for the next show.  a lot of time; a lot of time was spent on making stuff for the- for the next show. 
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That was the most social year I  That was the most social year I 
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ever had-'86. And '88, again, at Mawson, that was just- that was just work from ever had-'86. And '88, again, at Mawson, that was just- that was just work from
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start to finish. We had- we had traverses going out  to the northern P.C.M's. We  had start to finish. We had- we had traverses going out  to the northern P.C.M's. We  had
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to- we had to- to set up Dovers - which was the- the- um, the- um,  to- we had to- to set up Dovers - which was the- the- um, the- um, 
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the base or the camp in it, um, in the northern P.C.M's for the next 5 years. So we  the base or the camp in it, um, in the northern P.C.M's for the next 5 years. So we 
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had to first of all find had to first of all find
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a route in there, 'cause no-one had been in there for-oh, jeez, 20 years or something or a route in there, 'cause no-one had been in there for-oh, jeez, 20 years or something or
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other. There was no markers there, so we had to navigate our way in there and set the  other. There was no markers there, so we had to navigate our way in there and set the 
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place up and- and then get back and, uh, and then go in again for the Spring and get the place up and- and then get back and, uh, and then go in again for the Spring and get the
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whole place operational when everybody flew in and away they went. So it was just whole place operational when everybody flew in and away they went. So it was just
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a hell of a big year for a hell of a big year for
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me, as far as tractors and sledges and shifting gear  me, as far as tractors and sledges and shifting gear 
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and-and keeping stuff going and running the power station and it was just and-and keeping stuff going and running the power station and it was just
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a full on year. And, that was- that was probably my best year. I think I mentioned a full on year. And, that was- that was probably my best year. I think I mentioned
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before, '88 was my best year because it was, um, it was just so full on and that was before, '88 was my best year because it was, um, it was just so full on and that was
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the year we got into finding Dovers, uh, these old depots and- and all that sort of stuff,  the year we got into finding Dovers, uh, these old depots and- and all that sort of stuff, 
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you know? So...yeah. [Ingrid] So, on that note- [Dave] Uh-mm. [Ingrid] -we'll probably stop. [Dave] Hm.  you know? So...yeah. [Ingrid] So, on that note- [Dave] Uh-mm. [Ingrid] -we'll probably stop. [Dave] Hm.