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It's Ingrid McGaughey in conversation with Andrew Klekocuik and we're just talking about  It's Ingrid McGaughey in conversation with Andrew Klekocuik and we're just talking about 
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Macquarie Island 1988 and Andrew really just Macquarie Island 1988 and Andrew really just
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related the sinking or the scuttling of the Nella related the sinking or the scuttling of the Nella
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Dan which was a fairly exciting start to his year there. Andrew can you can tell me Dan which was a fairly exciting start to his year there. Andrew can you can tell me
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a little bit about your work program during the year? [Andrew] Yes, so um, my main project was to study a little bit about your work program during the year? [Andrew] Yes, so um, my main project was to study
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the ah, Aurora Australis over Macquarie Island. Kind of wonder why you got to Macquarie Island the ah, Aurora Australis over Macquarie Island. Kind of wonder why you got to Macquarie Island
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it's so cloudy there, you never see any Auroras over Macquarie. Well actually, there's Auroras there it's so cloudy there, you never see any Auroras over Macquarie. Well actually, there's Auroras there
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every night and I managed to make quite a every night and I managed to make quite a
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a good study of those. Um, I had that instrument that actually could to some extent could see a good study of those. Um, I had that instrument that actually could to some extent could see
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through the clouds. Um, it's called through the clouds. Um, it's called
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a narrowing ?wheel? photometer it looks at a small patch of the sky and our program was a narrowing ?wheel? photometer it looks at a small patch of the sky and our program was
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to actually measure um, some characteristics of the Aurora that never been studied before to actually measure um, some characteristics of the Aurora that never been studied before
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and um, involved setting this gear up and running it as often as and um, involved setting this gear up and running it as often as
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I could, ah, avoiding the times around the full moon which made the sky a  I could, ah, avoiding the times around the full moon which made the sky a 
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bit too bright but in those days it was a fairly primitive bit too bright but in those days it was a fairly primitive
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data collection system we had digital computers we had PDP data collection system we had digital computers we had PDP
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Computers which had um, ah, a lot of, had Computers which had um, ah, a lot of, had
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a lot of use through the Antarctic program, um, these ah, computers that a lot of use through the Antarctic program, um, these ah, computers that
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there'd been some gear built up in house. Ah, some software. Um, my job was to kind of get all that  there'd been some gear built up in house. Ah, some software. Um, my job was to kind of get all that 
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installed and actually improve things and collect some data and bring that home. Now in those installed and actually improve things and collect some data and bring that home. Now in those
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days the computers that we had, um they had floppy disc storage and they had removable days the computers that we had, um they had floppy disc storage and they had removable
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disc storage I think I could store something like 10 megabytes of data, maybe 20  disc storage I think I could store something like 10 megabytes of data, maybe 20 
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megabytes of data on each of these cassettes and ah, like by today's standards that's megabytes of data on each of these cassettes and ah, like by today's standards that's
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a trivial amount but at the time it was actually quite impressive and I managed to a trivial amount but at the time it was actually quite impressive and I managed to
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bring back quite bring back quite
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a good swag of data, I guess it probably would all fit down onto, well in fact we've a good swag of data, I guess it probably would all fit down onto, well in fact we've
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done that, we've, we keep restoring all  done that, we've, we keep restoring all 
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our old data to keep protecting and my whole year sits well on to our old data to keep protecting and my whole year sits well on to
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a CD essentially, now, and in fact a CD essentially, now, and in fact
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a lot of our early data, in fact I think probably up to about the early 80s you could a lot of our early data, in fact I think probably up to about the early 80s you could
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probably put everything that we had in the program onto probably put everything that we had in the program onto
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a single CD, of course that's all changed now. So, my job was to a single CD, of course that's all changed now. So, my job was to
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install the gear. It took install the gear. It took
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a little while. Jono Reeve was fundamental in helping me out, getting things going a little while. Jono Reeve was fundamental in helping me out, getting things going
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and um, it was quite complex, even by today's standards what we were trying to do and um, it was quite complex, even by today's standards what we were trying to do
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um, and at the same time though I had to keep all the other instruments and experiments um, and at the same time though I had to keep all the other instruments and experiments
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going with Jono there. Jon and I used to take it in turns to look after various things we had our own going with Jono there. Jon and I used to take it in turns to look after various things we had our own
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responsibilities. Um, a typical day actually involved going down to the lab making responsibilities. Um, a typical day actually involved going down to the lab making
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sure everything was running all 17 or 18 experiments going around making sure everything was running all 17 or 18 experiments going around making
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notes and log books changing chart paper on chart recorders notes and log books changing chart paper on chart recorders
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a lot of the data was recorded on charts. And in fact I think at our, peak of a lot of the data was recorded on charts. And in fact I think at our, peak of
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our operation there we were basically changing at least or 1 or 2 charts our operation there we were basically changing at least or 1 or 2 charts
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a day and what that involved was actually, aside from the physical thing of putting a day and what that involved was actually, aside from the physical thing of putting
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a new chart paper which sounds, you know, pretty trivial in its own right but there's a new chart paper which sounds, you know, pretty trivial in its own right but there's
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a lot of documentation we had to write details about when we turned things on and a lot of documentation we had to write details about when we turned things on and
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off and what data was being recorded and we had a log book to do that on and we had off and what data was being recorded and we had a log book to do that on and we had
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the chart paper and we had chart boxes and so one of the things I quickly found the chart paper and we had chart boxes and so one of the things I quickly found
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was that was very tedious and um, I don't like tedium. [laughs] was that was very tedious and um, I don't like tedium. [laughs]
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And I found a way of improving that so I did things like I produced some labels on And I found a way of improving that so I did things like I produced some labels on
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our computer, computerised labels had been done before in the program. our computer, computerised labels had been done before in the program.
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So it actually rather than writing a whole bunch of stuff we just had to write So it actually rather than writing a whole bunch of stuff we just had to write
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a few numbers in the labels a few numbers in the labels
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and stick them on the chart box chart paper and then that made life a lot easier. and stick them on the chart box chart paper and then that made life a lot easier.
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Kind of streamlining Kind of streamlining
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a whole bunch of things that um, meant that I could actually devote more time to my a whole bunch of things that um, meant that I could actually devote more time to my
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research rather than just filling in paper work and the other thing I did research rather than just filling in paper work and the other thing I did
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was actually write down into was actually write down into
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a document all the standard checks and procedures that we had to go through whereas a document all the standard checks and procedures that we had to go through whereas
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previously a lot of it was kind of word of mouth or previously a lot of it was kind of word of mouth or
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a few scribbled notes here and there and the other thing we did was make a few scribbled notes here and there and the other thing we did was make
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a video on all of that so ah, I guess it was um, perhaps a latent public servant a video on all of that so ah, I guess it was um, perhaps a latent public servant
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mentality in my mind that did all this but mentality in my mind that did all this but
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a lot of that procedure actually ended up being taken up in subsequent years and we a lot of that procedure actually ended up being taken up in subsequent years and we
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still have it today, essentially, we have still have it today, essentially, we have
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a thing called Hitchhikers Guide to our labs, and that kind of grew out of that I think.  a thing called Hitchhikers Guide to our labs, and that kind of grew out of that I think. 
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So um, well if I've left one legacy it's probably that. Anyway so there was So um, well if I've left one legacy it's probably that. Anyway so there was
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all of that sort of stuff. Jono developed some gear for me to automate my  all of that sort of stuff. Jono developed some gear for me to automate my 
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calibration again, try and avoid tedium. Ah, but calibration again, try and avoid tedium. Ah, but
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it was quite fascinating seeing these Auroras over Macquarie Island. Fantastic of course when it was quite fascinating seeing these Auroras over Macquarie Island. Fantastic of course when
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the weather was clear and I guess the most memorable occasion that I have there the weather was clear and I guess the most memorable occasion that I have there
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is in the middle of winter I think it must have been about June. I did make is in the middle of winter I think it must have been about June. I did make
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a point of going out on field trips but I guess I'd kind of delayed a point of going out on field trips but I guess I'd kind of delayed
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a lot of my field activity until I got the gear running but I remember in June there a lot of my field activity until I got the gear running but I remember in June there
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was this opportunity to go down the island and I'd planned to meet up with was this opportunity to go down the island and I'd planned to meet up with
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some of my wintering colleagues um, down, down the island  some of my wintering colleagues um, down, down the island 
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and um, we, I was going to go to Green Gorge and I was going to go down and um, we, I was going to go to Green Gorge and I was going to go down
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actually to Hurd Point with Peter Arden one of the met observers and Peter had been actually to Hurd Point with Peter Arden one of the met observers and Peter had been
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at, he'd wintered at Macquarie previously and he knew the island like the back of his at, he'd wintered at Macquarie previously and he knew the island like the back of his
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hand so, um, I got Jono to look after my gear and we took off and it was hand so, um, I got Jono to look after my gear and we took off and it was
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just, the weather was fantastic we had this fantastic day where we basically walked just, the weather was fantastic we had this fantastic day where we basically walked
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um to Green Gorge 1 afternoon then the next day it was quite clear we ended up going to Hurd um to Green Gorge 1 afternoon then the next day it was quite clear we ended up going to Hurd
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Point. Along the way we climbed Mount Hamilton. We went round Major Lake and all those great Point. Along the way we climbed Mount Hamilton. We went round Major Lake and all those great
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things and got to Hurd Point and yeah, it was just fantastic. things and got to Hurd Point and yeah, it was just fantastic.
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In those days you know, it was just, you only need an extra person past Hurd  In those days you know, it was just, you only need an extra person past Hurd 
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Point sorry, past Green Gorge. Stayed there for Point sorry, past Green Gorge. Stayed there for
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a day or 2 then we walked back along the coast to Green Gorge and ah, then basically a day or 2 then we walked back along the coast to Green Gorge and ah, then basically
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I had the, the afternoon and the, well the night and the next morning to I had the, the afternoon and the, well the night and the next morning to
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myself. [Ingrid] So you were allowed to go down the island as far as Green Gorge by  myself. [Ingrid] So you were allowed to go down the island as far as Green Gorge by 
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yourself. [Andrew] By yourself. [Ingrid] And beyond that you always had to have at least  yourself. [Andrew] By yourself. [Ingrid] And beyond that you always had to have at least 
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2.  [Andrew] Yeah, that's exactly right. So um, Phil, ah, sorry Peter Arden came back to, back to 2.  [Andrew] Yeah, that's exactly right. So um, Phil, ah, sorry Peter Arden came back to, back to
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the station and I was there by myself. And I had this most amazing afternoon. The weather  the station and I was there by myself. And I had this most amazing afternoon. The weather 
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cleared up it was just crystal clear. Um, and I went down onto the beach and cleared up it was just crystal clear. Um, and I went down onto the beach and
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sat with the ah, king penguins I think for the afternoon. Got out  sat with the ah, king penguins I think for the afternoon. Got out 
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a bottle of wine in the evening made some dinner and then the sky was just clear a bottle of wine in the evening made some dinner and then the sky was just clear
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all evening and I just sat down there watching the Aurora, out on the island. I've got some all evening and I just sat down there watching the Aurora, out on the island. I've got some
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there's a photo or 2 in the Macquarie Island there's a photo or 2 in the Macquarie Island
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1988 year book from that night. And the data that was collected was fantastic as 1988 year book from that night. And the data that was collected was fantastic as
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well and actually formed the basis for a couple of papers that we wrote so well and actually formed the basis for a couple of papers that we wrote so
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I kind of got the best of both worlds not actually having to be there to actually I kind of got the best of both worlds not actually having to be there to actually
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record the data but having this fantastic experience out at Green Gorge. record the data but having this fantastic experience out at Green Gorge.
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So yeah I had So yeah I had
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a number of ah field trips. I was able to sort of break up work responsibilities with field a number of ah field trips. I was able to sort of break up work responsibilities with field
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trips which I found quite important actually because it was, it was quite trips which I found quite important actually because it was, it was quite
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a lot of work to do. [Ingrid] What was your favorite area of the island? [Andrew] Well I think for me a lot of work to do. [Ingrid] What was your favorite area of the island? [Andrew] Well I think for me
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it was Caroline Cove because it was just so I remote, in those days one could get it was Caroline Cove because it was just so I remote, in those days one could get
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round Caroline Cove. There was a hut there. Um, I went down there with Kim Nitschke, one of the other  round Caroline Cove. There was a hut there. Um, I went down there with Kim Nitschke, one of the other 
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guys and just seeing albatrosses down there on the nest, the wandering albatross  guys and just seeing albatrosses down there on the nest, the wandering albatross 
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chicks ah, and yeah Caroline Cove was really quite remote. Wandering along the beach finding little  chicks ah, and yeah Caroline Cove was really quite remote. Wandering along the beach finding little 
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scallop shells on the beach that sort of thing. [Ingrid] Was access to that area restricted scallop shells on the beach that sort of thing. [Ingrid] Was access to that area restricted
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at any time during the year? [Andrew] Yeah, we could only go in at certain times cos of the at any time during the year? [Andrew] Yeah, we could only go in at certain times cos of the
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nesting with the black-broweds and the wandering albatrosses. This would have  nesting with the black-broweds and the wandering albatrosses. This would have 
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been after the breeding season. But yeah, that was been after the breeding season. But yeah, that was
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a great, probably my most memorable spot. The other spot I did manage to   go to was a great, probably my most memorable spot. The other spot I did manage to   go to was
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well from Green Gorge you could walk anywhere in the top half of island by well from Green Gorge you could walk anywhere in the top half of island by
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yourself. Um and I remember going on that day that I had yourself. Um and I remember going on that day that I had
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a clear day walking across due west um from Green a clear day walking across due west um from Green
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Gorge you know not, not any, going south in any way, going due west and going right Gorge you know not, not any, going south in any way, going due west and going right
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out onto the coast. [Ingrid] Of course. [Andrew] That's out onto the coast. [Ingrid] Of course. [Andrew] That's
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right and um seeing this fantastic um waterfall. Ah, basically there's  right and um seeing this fantastic um waterfall. Ah, basically there's 
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a waterfall coming out one of the little lakes that was blowing up sprays into the air and it a waterfall coming out one of the little lakes that was blowing up sprays into the air and it
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was freezing out and falling back onto the ground so that was just one of those other was freezing out and falling back onto the ground so that was just one of those other
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photos that's in that year book. But the other thing I used to like doing we'd go out photos that's in that year book. But the other thing I used to like doing we'd go out
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with with
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a couple of people in the afternoon just go out to say Mount Elder or something a couple of people in the afternoon just go out to say Mount Elder or something
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like that just for a quick walk I do remember being on slushy one afternoon and like that just for a quick walk I do remember being on slushy one afternoon and
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during the slushy break, in those days I was quite fit. Basically running up Gadgets during the slushy break, in those days I was quite fit. Basically running up Gadgets
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Gully and then out to Mount Elder and back before the evening slushy Gully and then out to Mount Elder and back before the evening slushy
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duties. duties.
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So I did that in about, must have been just under 2 hours or something like that getting So I did that in about, must have been just under 2 hours or something like that getting
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to the top looking down at the remember the lake over the edge that had some islands  to the top looking down at the remember the lake over the edge that had some islands 
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floating around in it that's the sort of thing we we would do. The other floating around in it that's the sort of thing we we would do. The other
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interesting thing I guess that year is we had interesting thing I guess that year is we had
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a big freeze up in the middle of the year. In fact I think we had record cold a big freeze up in the middle of the year. In fact I think we had record cold
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temperature, it was a really cold outbreak. Um, but that coincided with the time temperature, it was a really cold outbreak. Um, but that coincided with the time
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when when
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our plumber, Ted Meadowcroft, sparky/plumber had  our plumber, Ted Meadowcroft, sparky/plumber had 
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decided to clean out the ah, water tank and basically what had happened was that the idea was decided to clean out the ah, water tank and basically what had happened was that the idea was
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to yeah, give it a bit of a clean. I think Peter Sullivan who was our  to yeah, give it a bit of a clean. I think Peter Sullivan who was our 
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doctor had noticed that the ecoli counts were coming up and give her a bit of doctor had noticed that the ecoli counts were coming up and give her a bit of
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a clean out, was due for that so basically we just used a clean out, was due for that so basically we just used
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a lot of water they didn't let any more water in and we got down pretty low a lot of water they didn't let any more water in and we got down pretty low
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and then this cold snap happened and I think it got to minus 8, the pipes and then this cold snap happened and I think it got to minus 8, the pipes
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pretty much all around the station froze. And in fact we couldn't get any more pretty much all around the station froze. And in fact we couldn't get any more
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water in from Gadgets Gully in the pipe which had frozen in various places down water in from Gadgets Gully in the pipe which had frozen in various places down
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the, down the road. And then we had to start rationing water. We thought that's OK the, down the road. And then we had to start rationing water. We thought that's OK
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you know it's going to rain again pretty soon, it will fine up but after you know it's going to rain again pretty soon, it will fine up but after
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about 5 days we had about 5 days we had
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a lot of snow, ah, things weren't improving and we were getting quite low on water so we actually a lot of snow, ah, things weren't improving and we were getting quite low on water so we actually
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had to put quite strong restrictions in those showers. In fact we ended up I think had to put quite strong restrictions in those showers. In fact we ended up I think
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flushing toilets with water from the drums outside the various buildings. flushing toilets with water from the drums outside the various buildings.
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And then the 2nd week you know we got into the 2nd week and it was still not looking too And then the 2nd week you know we got into the 2nd week and it was still not looking too
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good, ah, but eventually it all came right but I remember we, we basically we were told not good, ah, but eventually it all came right but I remember we, we basically we were told not
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to have showers for several days there and not you know like to have showers for several days there and not you know like
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a 1 minute shower, but no showers, because we didn't have any water basically. a 1 minute shower, but no showers, because we didn't have any water basically.
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And in fact people were going down the island, I remember somebody went down to And in fact people were going down the island, I remember somebody went down to
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Green Gorge to have Green Gorge to have
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a shower down there. [laughs] Um, but yeah, so that was kind of one of those things in the middle a shower down there. [laughs] Um, but yeah, so that was kind of one of those things in the middle
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of the year that was a bit more interesting. In those days too we had of the year that was a bit more interesting. In those days too we had
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air drops that was another interesting feature of our year. We had 3 scheduled air air drops that was another interesting feature of our year. We had 3 scheduled air
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drops and a 4th one. I remember the 1st air drop was quite exciting, I'd never seen 1 drops and a 4th one. I remember the 1st air drop was quite exciting, I'd never seen 1
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of these things before and it was very windy that day and I remember the Hercules of these things before and it was very windy that day and I remember the Hercules
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appearing out of big sort of ah, puffy cumulus clouds that were floating around which were appearing out of big sort of ah, puffy cumulus clouds that were floating around which were
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dropping sleet and snow on the island and dropping things. The 4th air drop I remember dropping sleet and snow on the island and dropping things. The 4th air drop I remember
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back here there was a bit of back here there was a bit of
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a mix up and um some gear that was scheduled to come down on the 1st voyage the next a mix up and um some gear that was scheduled to come down on the 1st voyage the next
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summer didn't come down. It was like surveying theodolites and various other things so summer didn't come down. It was like surveying theodolites and various other things so
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they decided to air drop it. I'm not sure if any of that gear actually survived. they decided to air drop it. I'm not sure if any of that gear actually survived.
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Because we did tend to lose Because we did tend to lose
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a fair bit of stuff actually in those air drops I think we probably got about maybe   a fair bit of stuff actually in those air drops I think we probably got about maybe  
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80 percent but I do remember, um things like, um well I can remember some 80 percent but I do remember, um things like, um well I can remember some
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lettuces being dropped with cement because we had to get some extra cement in for lettuces being dropped with cement because we had to get some extra cement in for
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the ANARESAT project, all our lettuces being completely smashed to smithereens the ANARESAT project, all our lettuces being completely smashed to smithereens
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losing pallets of fluorescent lights smashed on rocks there out at Buckles Bay. losing pallets of fluorescent lights smashed on rocks there out at Buckles Bay.
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And all sorts of other strange things that happened in those times, but ah, mmm. [Ingrid] So when they And all sorts of other strange things that happened in those times, but ah, mmm. [Ingrid] So when they
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did the air drop can you just explain, would they do 1 pass or 2 pass how would they  did the air drop can you just explain, would they do 1 pass or 2 pass how would they 
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actually drop the goods onto the island. [Andrew] Yeah, interesting procedure we'd string up actually drop the goods onto the island. [Andrew] Yeah, interesting procedure we'd string up
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catch lines on the island, so we had some posts that were set up just for this catch lines on the island, so we had some posts that were set up just for this
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purpose and we'd string um, some cables more rope I think essentially along purpose and we'd string um, some cables more rope I think essentially along
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these um, posts and the idea was that a parachute loaded these um, posts and the idea was that a parachute loaded
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with supplies would hit the ground and then drag along be blown by the wind.  Winds with supplies would hit the ground and then drag along be blown by the wind.  Winds
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generally blowing from the west to the east so, eventually this thing running along generally blowing from the west to the east so, eventually this thing running along
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the ground would snag up in the catch line. Um, so what would happen is that would get the ground would snag up in the catch line. Um, so what would happen is that would get
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word from Kingston that the aircraft was on its way, they'd worked out the weather was OK word from Kingston that the aircraft was on its way, they'd worked out the weather was OK
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and our met people had sort of told them that things look reasonably good. Took a few   and our met people had sort of told them that things look reasonably good. Took a few  
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hours for the hours for the
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aircraft to arrive. And then they'd do some passes, low level passes just to get familiar with the aircraft to arrive. And then they'd do some passes, low level passes just to get familiar with the
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condition of the airflow  because there was quite condition of the airflow  because there was quite
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a bit of buffeting as I understand from the island. They'd then drop some dummy loads a bit of buffeting as I understand from the island. They'd then drop some dummy loads
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and see if the things worked basically, I remember I think the 1st and see if the things worked basically, I remember I think the 1st
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air drop they did the dummy loads and then the weather changed.  There was a bit of   air drop they did the dummy loads and then the weather changed.  There was a bit of  
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a front came through and I think that really stirred things up a front came through and I think that really stirred things up
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a bit and somehow they did manage to keep on going and drop everything but yeah, we a bit and somehow they did manage to keep on going and drop everything but yeah, we
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had quite had quite
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a bit of fun um, trying to you know bring down the parachutes on these loads once they'd a bit of fun um, trying to you know bring down the parachutes on these loads once they'd
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caught up in the catch line the idea was to try and grab all of the um parachute caught up in the catch line the idea was to try and grab all of the um parachute
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material and and make sure the wind didn't catch it and then you could undo the load. [Ingrid] So you'd material and and make sure the wind didn't catch it and then you could undo the load. [Ingrid] So you'd
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be standing outside the catch lines? [Andrew] Yeah it's kind of, you'd be standing you know be standing outside the catch lines? [Andrew] Yeah it's kind of, you'd be standing you know
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a reasonable distance from, from these pay loads, the other thing we had to do was to a reasonable distance from, from these pay loads, the other thing we had to do was to
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herd out all of the elephant seals and other hangers on at the time if there were any, herd out all of the elephant seals and other hangers on at the time if there were any,
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they're not such a problem in the middle of the winter but I think in the summer one, late/early summer drop they're not such a problem in the middle of the winter but I think in the summer one, late/early summer drop
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we had some problems there. Um, watch this parachute come down and run in, which was a bit of a  we had some problems there. Um, watch this parachute come down and run in, which was a bit of a 
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problem in that area because it's like tussocky and wallows and I remember   problem in that area because it's like tussocky and wallows and I remember  
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a few people going into wallows and um, packages breaking apart on impact and things being scattered a few people going into wallows and um, packages breaking apart on impact and things being scattered
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into wallows.  Yeah, it was quite exciting. [Ingrid] So, what sort of area are we talking about into wallows.  Yeah, it was quite exciting. [Ingrid] So, what sort of area are we talking about
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being cleared of seals, ?inaudible? the drop zone? [Andrew] Yeah, pretty much the middle of the isthmus they also had to avoid being cleared of seals, ?inaudible? the drop zone? [Andrew] Yeah, pretty much the middle of the isthmus they also had to avoid
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payloads on top of some the buildings there, like out in the middle there's the payloads on top of some the buildings there, like out in the middle there's the
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magnetic absolute hut and magnetic absolute hut and
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a few other things, um, I do remember um, some gear coming very close to magn- a few other things, um, I do remember um, some gear coming very close to magn-
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variometer hut variometer hut
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and I think even just the fact it had metal in it I managed to flip some and I think even just the fact it had metal in it I managed to flip some
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of the gear in there around a bit of the gear in there around a bit
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but um, yeah pr-pretty much the middle of the isthmus and but um, yeah pr-pretty much the middle of the isthmus and
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somewhat, somewhat dangerous. I do remember also the other interesting thing getting somewhat, somewhat dangerous. I do remember also the other interesting thing getting
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one of these heavy pay loads on the back of the old Fergie tractor which had a bit of one of these heavy pay loads on the back of the old Fergie tractor which had a bit of
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a trialer and the fact of the weight and the wind I remember a trialer and the fact of the weight and the wind I remember
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a few of us actually having to sit on the front of the bonnet to keep the Fergie from, a few of us actually having to sit on the front of the bonnet to keep the Fergie from,
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front wheels getting off the ground so, that sort of thing. It was all quite exciting. front wheels getting off the ground so, that sort of thing. It was all quite exciting.
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[Ingrid] Very OH&S [laughs] [Andrew] Yes, it was. [laughs] That's right. I guess the other thing we had to avoid too [Ingrid] Very OH&S [laughs] [Andrew] Yes, it was. [laughs] That's right. I guess the other thing we had to avoid too
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was um, smashing things into the tip that was on the, in the middle of the isthmus as well was um, smashing things into the tip that was on the, in the middle of the isthmus as well
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which had all sorts of things protruding out of it, ah, in those days. Um, yeah. [Ingrid] So what  which had all sorts of things protruding out of it, ah, in those days. Um, yeah. [Ingrid] So what 
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 was the process for getting rid of your rubbish back in 88? [Andrew] Yeah, we had this gash  was the process for getting rid of your rubbish back in 88? [Andrew] Yeah, we had this gash
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run, we'd take ah, all of the sort of food scraps and burnables down to the tip. And um, that  run, we'd take ah, all of the sort of food scraps and burnables down to the tip. And um, that 
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was the job of the slushy. Pretty much it was a Saturday duty was the job of the slushy. Pretty much it was a Saturday duty
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the slushy and somebody else did it on the slushy and somebody else did it on
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a Saturday, as it's sort of done traditionally now I guess. You'd take all the gear down there, you'd take a Saturday, as it's sort of done traditionally now I guess. You'd take all the gear down there, you'd take
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a couple of gerry cans full of um, diesel and basically set fire to all of this, ah, it was, a couple of gerry cans full of um, diesel and basically set fire to all of this, ah, it was,
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yeah ah, not, and we knew back then, it wasn't a   yeah ah, not, and we knew back then, it wasn't a  
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a sustainable practice. We had to take some special precautions we had to be very a sustainable practice. We had to take some special precautions we had to be very
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careful about what we put in our food scraps anyway, like chicken. careful about what we put in our food scraps anyway, like chicken.
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There was a concern about Newcastles disease, chickens and eggs, and we had to make There was a concern about Newcastles disease, chickens and eggs, and we had to make
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sure that was burnt very well. And, sure that was burnt very well. And,
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we did have recycling back then we did separate out the recyclables and we were we did have recycling back then we did separate out the recyclables and we were
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collecting those back then. I think it might have been the very early days of that  collecting those back then. I think it might have been the very early days of that 
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program. [Ingrid] So glass and tins? [Andrew] Yep, that's correct, yeah, we'd separate those and put them program. [Ingrid] So glass and tins? [Andrew] Yep, that's correct, yeah, we'd separate those and put them
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in cage pallets outside the, outside the mess. But, yeah, the burnables went down  in cage pallets outside the, outside the mess. But, yeah, the burnables went down 
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to the tip and one of the difficulties was that the GPs to the tip and one of the difficulties was that the GPs
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and the, giant petrels, and the sea gulls etc. they knew about this and they were out waiting  and the, giant petrels, and the sea gulls etc. they knew about this and they were out waiting 
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and we had to make sure that we got things burning before we let go of the and we had to make sure that we got things burning before we let go of the
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food scraps, um, so that the birds didn't go into the fire and do various other things, yeah and had to food scraps, um, so that the birds didn't go into the fire and do various other things, yeah and had to
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pick the weather conditions too to do it as well. [Ingrid] Can you tell me pick the weather conditions too to do it as well. [Ingrid] Can you tell me
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a little bit about your slushy duty? [Andrew] Yeah, that was, it was  a little bit about your slushy duty? [Andrew] Yeah, that was, it was 
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ah, fun. We, what we did, I think we ended up choosing to do slushy in the winter in ah, fun. We, what we did, I think we ended up choosing to do slushy in the winter in
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blocks of several days so you'd get them all over and done with. The back then it's pretty blocks of several days so you'd get them all over and done with. The back then it's pretty
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much the same as we do now. Slushy had actually come on quite much the same as we do now. Slushy had actually come on quite
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early and help out with making bread in the morning and getting things ready for early and help out with making bread in the morning and getting things ready for
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breakfast. One of the other slushy duties was to make morning tea, so you'd breakfast. One of the other slushy duties was to make morning tea, so you'd
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actually be doing things like making cakes and buns and all sorts of things which was quite actually be doing things like making cakes and buns and all sorts of things which was quite
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good fun. I used to enjoy making the bread and trying to, you know do little good fun. I used to enjoy making the bread and trying to, you know do little
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different things with the bread. And we had different things with the bread. And we had
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a very good chef. [Ingrid] Like? [Andrew] Well ah, what we'd do is we'd do, like you'd be learning a very good chef. [Ingrid] Like? [Andrew] Well ah, what we'd do is we'd do, like you'd be learning
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from people like Don Reid. Don would always make bread himself and he had a   from people like Don Reid. Don would always make bread himself and he had a  
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certain way of doing it and he'd you know put extra malt in or do something like that. certain way of doing it and he'd you know put extra malt in or do something like that.
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I like putting a bit of rye in. I guess it wasn't like making special I like putting a bit of rye in. I guess it wasn't like making special
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types of bread but it was just little variations on a theme which types of bread but it was just little variations on a theme which
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a little bit of variety helped. We had to make a lot of bread there was, yeah, it was quite a little bit of variety helped. We had to make a lot of bread there was, yeah, it was quite
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popular to make sandwiches and, and various other things all times of the day and night. Michael popular to make sandwiches and, and various other things all times of the day and night. Michael
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Nehmelmann was our chef he was a  Nehmelmann was our chef he was a 
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a fantastic chef, he'd been working, just recently, prior to coming to Macquarie Island a fantastic chef, he'd been working, just recently, prior to coming to Macquarie Island
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at the Grand Chancellor here, but he'd spent time at resorts and various other things.   at the Grand Chancellor here, but he'd spent time at resorts and various other things.  
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He had He had
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a lot of knowledge about things and he'd you know always be passing on you know bits of a lot of knowledge about things and he'd you know always be passing on you know bits of
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information which I found quite interesting. Um, in those days information which I found quite interesting. Um, in those days
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I guess the kitchen facilities were pretty,  pretty basic. To our advantage we'd I guess the kitchen facilities were pretty,  pretty basic. To our advantage we'd
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come in at a time when the mess at Macquarie had been upgraded. Basically in the come in at a time when the mess at Macquarie had been upgraded. Basically in the
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summer the 1st summer that I was there after Nella Dan disaster  summer the 1st summer that I was there after Nella Dan disaster 
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mess was gutted mess was gutted
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the kitchen area was gutted and Murray Price was in charge of that. And the kitchen area was gutted and Murray Price was in charge of that. And
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some of the gear actually that was marked for um, making that refurbishment was lost some of the gear actually that was marked for um, making that refurbishment was lost
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on the Nella as well had to get replaced but to Murray's credit he managed to cobble on the Nella as well had to get replaced but to Murray's credit he managed to cobble
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together and improvised. And finished off the mess before the end of the summer together and improvised. And finished off the mess before the end of the summer
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when we actually got a few more things back in, but I remember you know there was when we actually got a few more things back in, but I remember you know there was
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a big improvement we had a sort of a big improvement we had a sort of
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a temporary ah, kitchen between the surgery and the, and the mess we basically had like a temporary ah, kitchen between the surgery and the, and the mess we basically had like
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a barbecue we had a barbecue we had
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a lot of barbecue lunches also in the green, or not the green store I'm thinking  a lot of barbecue lunches also in the green, or not the green store I'm thinking 
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about the Antarctic continent, but the old, the main store at Macquarie. [Ingrid] So when you say   about the Antarctic continent, but the old, the main store at Macquarie. [Ingrid] So when you say  
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you had a temporary kitchen was that kitchen outside the main mess building where you had a temporary kitchen was that kitchen outside the main mess building where
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there was the kitchen at the east end and the bar down the west. [Andrew] Mmm [Ingrid] So sort of there was the kitchen at the east end and the bar down the west. [Andrew] Mmm [Ingrid] So sort of
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just outside that between the surgery. [Andrew] Yeah that's right. [Ingrid] Was it a covered alcove? [Andrew] Covered alcove which just outside that between the surgery. [Andrew] Yeah that's right. [Ingrid] Was it a covered alcove? [Andrew] Covered alcove which
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which was ah, actually, we covered it back then and we used to have lots and lots    which was ah, actually, we covered it back then and we used to have lots and lots   
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of skuas sitting on the roof waiting for food and it was actually of skuas sitting on the roof waiting for food and it was actually
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somewhat unsavoury in various ways of actually cooking, preparing food because somewhat unsavoury in various ways of actually cooking, preparing food because
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the birds, there was so many birds around. But I remember we prepared quite the birds, there was so many birds around. But I remember we prepared quite
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a bit of food out there and um, so being being slushy at that time was quite interesting there's a bit of food out there and um, so being being slushy at that time was quite interesting there's
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quite quite
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a bit involved in it as they were gutting. Basically ripping everything out of that kitchen area a bit involved in it as they were gutting. Basically ripping everything out of that kitchen area
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and refurbishing it and it was just fantastic after that so I guess we had and refurbishing it and it was just fantastic after that so I guess we had
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quite a, quite a nice year after that compared to perhaps previous quite a, quite a nice year after that compared to perhaps previous
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years. [Ingrid] Did you have a bain marie installed? [Andrew] Yeah, bain marie that was a  years. [Ingrid] Did you have a bain marie installed? [Andrew] Yeah, bain marie that was a 
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new development. Never been one at Macquarie Island before. And things just arranged, new development. Never been one at Macquarie Island before. And things just arranged,
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better use of space in that kitchen I think, so, I didn't actually get to see the better use of space in that kitchen I think, so, I didn't actually get to see the
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old kitchen because that was being gutted at the time our Nella Dan voyage arrived which was old kitchen because that was being gutted at the time our Nella Dan voyage arrived which was
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essentially the 2nd voyage to  essentially the 2nd voyage to 
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Macquarie in that summer, there'd been an earlier voyage in October. [Ingrid] Did you have hydroponics or  Macquarie in that summer, there'd been an earlier voyage in October. [Ingrid] Did you have hydroponics or 
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any sort of facilities for having fresh food during the year? [Andrew] Yes we had any sort of facilities for having fresh food during the year? [Andrew] Yes we had
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a little bit of a hydroponic set up in fact it was funny in those days you could have a little bit of a hydroponic set up in fact it was funny in those days you could have
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hydroponics, well in different buildings. We had in the foyer of the hydroponics, well in different buildings. We had in the foyer of the
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science building, a little garden bed and we had tomatoes in there and science building, a little garden bed and we had tomatoes in there and
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zucchinis zucchinis
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and other bits in places we just grew from there. There were greenhouses on the  and other bits in places we just grew from there. There were greenhouses on the 
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up near the station sort of between Southern Aurora and the fire hut up near the station sort of between Southern Aurora and the fire hut
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couple of greenhouses there. [Ingrid] With, made out of glass or plastic? [Andrew] Made out of glass yep.   couple of greenhouses there. [Ingrid] With, made out of glass or plastic? [Andrew] Made out of glass yep.  
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Fairly small ones you know, kind of the size of perhaps um, a small office Fairly small ones you know, kind of the size of perhaps um, a small office
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essentially but we grew quite essentially but we grew quite
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a bit of stuff in there. Chompers Curry was there at the time, yeah and he was quite good  a bit of stuff in there. Chompers Curry was there at the time, yeah and he was quite good 
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at growing lettuces and things like that so he really helped out at growing lettuces and things like that so he really helped out
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a lot. Um, but yeah and I remember a lot. Um, but yeah and I remember
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a couple of other work areas had little plants and things growing. We had this a couple of other work areas had little plants and things growing. We had this
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sort of competition essentially between our little garden bed and the hothouse to see who'd grow the sort of competition essentially between our little garden bed and the hothouse to see who'd grow the
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best tomatoes. [Ingrid] Who won? [Andrew] Well um, I think we ended up producing some different things but best tomatoes. [Ingrid] Who won? [Andrew] Well um, I think we ended up producing some different things but
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we had grow lights and all sorts of things there and we were you know it   we had grow lights and all sorts of things there and we were you know it  
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was quite interesting effort and I think we might have done was quite interesting effort and I think we might have done
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a little bit better than the, than the greenhouse because we had these grow light and could a little bit better than the, than the greenhouse because we had these grow light and could
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grow things during the, the autumn and the winter there. [Ingrid] Occasionally over the years there have been grow things during the, the autumn and the winter there. [Ingrid] Occasionally over the years there have been
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rumours about extracurricular plants being grown? [Andrew] Mmm. [Ingrid] Did that happen in your year? [Andrew] Yeah, we had some  rumours about extracurricular plants being grown? [Andrew] Mmm. [Ingrid] Did that happen in your year? [Andrew] Yeah, we had some 
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down there we had Mary and Joanna the, the 2 extracurricular plants that weren't in our area, down there we had Mary and Joanna the, the 2 extracurricular plants that weren't in our area,
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but, um, yeah, they were growing elsewhere on the, the island. [Ingrid] Where were they growing? [Andrew] Well they were  but, um, yeah, they were growing elsewhere on the, the island. [Ingrid] Where were they growing? [Andrew] Well they were 
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grow-, well they were growing in 1 of the, 1 of the huts down there and now, and rumour has it   grow-, well they were growing in 1 of the, 1 of the huts down there and now, and rumour has it  
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of course. I never participated, I definitely didn't inhale any of that back then of course. I never participated, I definitely didn't inhale any of that back then
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but, ah, yes they were growing around there at the time. [Ingrid] And how did they get their names? but, ah, yes they were growing around there at the time. [Ingrid] And how did they get their names?
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[Andrew] Well I think, actually I do remember something about this, we had [Andrew] Well I think, actually I do remember something about this, we had
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a bit of an inspection I think from ah, it might have been the policy section in the a bit of an inspection I think from ah, it might have been the policy section in the
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Division. On the 1st voyage of the next summer and so we had to sort of ah Division. On the 1st voyage of the next summer and so we had to sort of ah
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code you know, make sure you know that Mary and Joanna are off station or somewhere else at the code you know, make sure you know that Mary and Joanna are off station or somewhere else at the
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time and I don't think we actually called them Mary and Joanna. I think it was just Mary or Joanna    time and I don't think we actually called them Mary and Joanna. I think it was just Mary or Joanna   
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 [laughs] But speaking of other  [laughs] But speaking of other
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similar names we had Sarah Jane and Sarah Jane similar names we had Sarah Jane and Sarah Jane
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was a girlfriend of 1 of our met people, Kim Nitschke, was a girlfriend of 1 of our met people, Kim Nitschke,
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a former girlfriend, and he'd moved on. But what Kim, the mistake Kim made was 1 night a former girlfriend, and he'd moved on. But what Kim, the mistake Kim made was 1 night
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around the bar he'd sort of brought out some photos of around the bar he'd sort of brought out some photos of
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his old girlfriends and um, [laughs] he his old girlfriends and um, [laughs] he
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had this picture of Sarah Jane in a bikini lying on the beach and had this picture of Sarah Jane in a bikini lying on the beach and
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somehow that photo disappeared for somehow that photo disappeared for
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a few minutes, um, off the bar, then reappeared and went back to a few minutes, um, off the bar, then reappeared and went back to
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normal and so on and then over  normal and so on and then over 
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a period of weeks after that Sarah Jane pictures started appearing in all sorts a period of weeks after that Sarah Jane pictures started appearing in all sorts
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of strange places. So what had happened was that yeah, the photo had been photocopied of strange places. So what had happened was that yeah, the photo had been photocopied
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and many photocopies had been made, and, so Sarah Jane would appear if you'd go and many photocopies had been made, and, so Sarah Jane would appear if you'd go
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down to 1 of the huts and open up a National Geographic you'd find the photograph down to 1 of the huts and open up a National Geographic you'd find the photograph
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of Sarah Jane tucked inside. Or if you went down to Caroline Cove and opened up of Sarah Jane tucked inside. Or if you went down to Caroline Cove and opened up
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a packet of um, instant soup mix you might find the Sarah Jane photo. So Sarah Jane went all over a packet of um, instant soup mix you might find the Sarah Jane photo. So Sarah Jane went all over
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the place and it was quite amusing actually for Kim to actually find these the place and it was quite amusing actually for Kim to actually find these
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photos and when the ship came in the next photos and when the ship came in the next
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summer, it was even more amusing because we ran up the ANARE flag and the summer, it was even more amusing because we ran up the ANARE flag and the
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Australian flag and the Sarah Jane flag would actually made a flag. Painted basically  Australian flag and the Sarah Jane flag would actually made a flag. Painted basically 
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this outline of Sarah Jane on the flag.  So yeah, she popped up in all sorts of strange this outline of Sarah Jane on the flag.  So yeah, she popped up in all sorts of strange
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places. [Ingrid] Did Sarah Jane ever know? [Andrew] I, I think she did eventually but no, not at the time, mmm. [Ingrid] And  places. [Ingrid] Did Sarah Jane ever know? [Andrew] I, I think she did eventually but no, not at the time, mmm. [Ingrid] And 
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was it known who was planting Sarah Jane all over the station? [Andrew] No, it was  was it known who was planting Sarah Jane all over the station? [Andrew] No, it was 
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actually kept quite, yeah, it was kept quite well. That was 1 of the secrets we had that year, I think we actually kept quite, yeah, it was kept quite well. That was 1 of the secrets we had that year, I think we
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all got involved in it in various ways but Kim never knew who who had done it and how it had all got involved in it in various ways but Kim never knew who who had done it and how it had
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happened, I guess he'd worked it out eventually. [Ingrid] I guess Maquarie Island had very much been  happened, I guess he'd worked it out eventually. [Ingrid] I guess Maquarie Island had very much been 
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a fairly male society you know a fairly male society you know
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a few women coming in for the summer and the winter. Was there much in the way of  a few women coming in for the summer and the winter. Was there much in the way of 
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girlie magazines or posters around station or in dongas? [Andrew] Yes there definitely were girlie magazines or posters around station or in dongas? [Andrew] Yes there definitely were
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lots of magazines floating around. And in fact all field huts had them and well you know lots of magazines floating around. And in fact all field huts had them and well you know
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Southern Aurora had Southern Aurora had
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a whole box full of them and um, I guess, you know some of the trades places had pin  a whole box full of them and um, I guess, you know some of the trades places had pin 
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up girls, openly displayed. There'd be some in lockers I think. In the up girls, openly displayed. There'd be some in lockers I think. In the
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science building I can say we didn't have any [laughs] but we had magazines floating around science building I can say we didn't have any [laughs] but we had magazines floating around
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I think at various times. But yeah the field huts there were girlie photos I think at various times. But yeah the field huts there were girlie photos
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actually on display down there but I think, overall, we did tone down that during actually on display down there but I think, overall, we did tone down that during
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our year and it was kind of interesting because when I think back the previous winter, our year and it was kind of interesting because when I think back the previous winter,
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there were 2 or 3 women on station. there were 2 or 3 women on station.
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Yeah, so I guess, you know what we found when we came in had ?inaudible? Yeah, so I guess, you know what we found when we came in had ?inaudible?
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existed in previous years. [Ingrid] And you mentioned that Debbie Does Dallas went AWOL  existed in previous years. [Ingrid] And you mentioned that Debbie Does Dallas went AWOL 
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during this day. [Andrew] Mmm. [Ingrid] Were those sort of videos in the general video collection during this day. [Andrew] Mmm. [Ingrid] Were those sort of videos in the general video collection
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or in or in
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a separate area. [Andrew] I think they were in the general collection actually but it wasn't a separate area. [Andrew] I think they were in the general collection actually but it wasn't
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as though I don't, I don't recall any special screenings or nights of that sort of as though I don't, I don't recall any special screenings or nights of that sort of
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stuff but yeah, I mean that stuff was around basically. [Ingrid] Did you also have the general stuff but yeah, I mean that stuff was around basically. [Ingrid] Did you also have the general
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reel to reel movies back in the 80s. [Andrew] Yeah, yeah we had the 16 mil films and that actually reel to reel movies back in the 80s. [Andrew] Yeah, yeah we had the 16 mil films and that actually
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was was
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a highlight of the year I think watching those. We watched 16 mill films twice a week, a highlight of the year I think watching those. We watched 16 mill films twice a week,
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Wednesday nights and Sunday nights and it was slushy's choice what was shown. Wednesday nights and Sunday nights and it was slushy's choice what was shown.
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And we also had documentaries, we had lots of This week in Britain or TWIBs as we called them. And we also had documentaries, we had lots of This week in Britain or TWIBs as we called them.
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Um, various other documentaries we had Um, various other documentaries we had
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a lot of documentaries from the Shell Oil Corporation as well but they were fascinating   a lot of documentaries from the Shell Oil Corporation as well but they were fascinating  
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because they were like, oil exploration in the 1920s or you know 1930s because they were like, oil exploration in the 1920s or you know 1930s
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and so because of that and there was a sort of a genre of those sort of  documentaries we and so because of that and there was a sort of a genre of those sort of  documentaries we
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used to call them oil shorts and we'd them on mainly for our dieso used to call them oil shorts and we'd them on mainly for our dieso
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who was, he loved those sort of things and who was, he loved those sort of things and
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that was Steve our dieso and that was Steve our dieso and
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a TWIB or 2 and then we'd have the main feature and there was some great things a TWIB or 2 and then we'd have the main feature and there was some great things
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there. Hobson's Choice was probably 1 of the favorite 1 for our there. Hobson's Choice was probably 1 of the favorite 1 for our
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a year. Waterloo Bridge, another 1, but   a year. Waterloo Bridge, another 1, but  
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we used to take the, the mickey out of the movies and, and it was the peanut gallery was we used to take the, the mickey out of the movies and, and it was the peanut gallery was
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was, you know a highlight of some of those movies too. was, you know a highlight of some of those movies too.
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Projectionist was Graeme McDiarmid who did a great job splicing things back together Projectionist was Graeme McDiarmid who did a great job splicing things back together
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a lot of those films were quite fragile and I ended up helping out Graeme, I'd be the backup a lot of those films were quite fragile and I ended up helping out Graeme, I'd be the backup
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projectionist and you know there'd invariably be breaks in the film you have to join projectionist and you know there'd invariably be breaks in the film you have to join
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them back together again but you'd take good care of these things because they provided   them back together again but you'd take good care of these things because they provided  
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a lot of enjoyment but some of them were quite rare prints I think too. In our year a lot of enjoyment but some of them were quite rare prints I think too. In our year
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we actually remodelled the, the mess, ah, sorry the the bar area we actually remodelled the, the mess, ah, sorry the the bar area
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of the, ah, of the LQ  of the, ah, of the LQ 
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area I guess and put in the mural of, from the Nella Dan at the back of that and area I guess and put in the mural of, from the Nella Dan at the back of that and
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put a new projection room and I haven't been back there since 1992 so it's put a new projection room and I haven't been back there since 1992 so it's
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a long time I, I'm not sure if all those things still exist but yeah that was another a long time I, I'm not sure if all those things still exist but yeah that was another
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part of the year is actually upgrading all of that putting in part of the year is actually upgrading all of that putting in
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a new bar, and yeah, a toilet and a few a new bar, and yeah, a toilet and a few
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other things there. [Ingrid] What else did you do for recreation during the year. [Andrew] Um, aside from  other things there. [Ingrid] What else did you do for recreation during the year. [Andrew] Um, aside from 
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field trips, well just walking around like North Head counting birds and penguins field trips, well just walking around like North Head counting birds and penguins
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and various other things we had some activities there. Ah, darts were  and various other things we had some activities there. Ah, darts were 
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a big part of the year. We had a lot of dart competitions we had um [Ingrid] Was that within your a big part of the year. We had a lot of dart competitions we had um [Ingrid] Was that within your
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station or between stations? [Andrew] Yeah, we did it between stations, um, we had some red phone station or between stations? [Andrew] Yeah, we did it between stations, um, we had some red phone
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hookups with some of the other stations I think we did Casey Darts Competition. We also did hookups with some of the other stations I think we did Casey Darts Competition. We also did
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a chess competition with some of the stations. Um, we [laughs] we did this  a chess competition with some of the stations. Um, we [laughs] we did this 
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we started this just competition which I was involved in ah, just as we started this just competition which I was involved in ah, just as
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a player. We had the world, the Greenpeace World Park base at Commonwealth Bay, I think it  a player. We had the world, the Greenpeace World Park base at Commonwealth Bay, I think it 
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was back then. Um, a guy that was down there was Sjoerd Jongens, Sjoerd had been was back then. Um, a guy that was down there was Sjoerd Jongens, Sjoerd had been
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actually been an engineer for us in actually been an engineer for us in
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19 86 I think it was with um the UAP 19 86 I think it was with um the UAP
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Program and then Sjoerd went off to work for Greenpeace as Program and then Sjoerd went off to work for Greenpeace as
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a comms engineer. Unfortunately he passed away just recently he was badly injured in a comms engineer. Unfortunately he passed away just recently he was badly injured in
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a push bike accident in Holland where he had lived for  a push bike accident in Holland where he had lived for 
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a number of years. But anyway, Sjoerd was down there. I do remember there being some a number of years. But anyway, Sjoerd was down there. I do remember there being some
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kerfuffle because we worked out that they must have been cheating on, on their chess games kerfuffle because we worked out that they must have been cheating on, on their chess games
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so that was a bit sad. But we did have so that was a bit sad. But we did have
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some good times with those guys and some of the other stations with darts and chess. some good times with those guys and some of the other stations with darts and chess.
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Um, other things well, there were video nights as well we we'd also have video nights, 1 of the Um, other things well, there were video nights as well we we'd also have video nights, 1 of the
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big movies from our big movies from our
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year in terms of videos, more contemporary sort of things was Top Gun. Um, Kim  year in terms of videos, more contemporary sort of things was Top Gun. Um, Kim 
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Nitschke fancied himself, he wanted to be Nitschke fancied himself, he wanted to be
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a pilot. Um, and I think he might have not made the a pilot. Um, and I think he might have not made the
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grade because of, ah, I might be wrong here, he might have been a bit  grade because of, ah, I might be wrong here, he might have been a bit 
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colour blind but ah, Top Gun was one of our favorite films and we ended up colour blind but ah, Top Gun was one of our favorite films and we ended up
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watching it so many times we had the lines down pat. And so we had watching it so many times we had the lines down pat. And so we had
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1 quite memorable Top Gun night where we all dressed up as Top Gun characters and 1 quite memorable Top Gun night where we all dressed up as Top Gun characters and
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ah, you know, did, did the whole thing which was quite, quite good. So, yes, Top Gun features in our year. ah, you know, did, did the whole thing which was quite, quite good. So, yes, Top Gun features in our year.
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[Ingrid] Did you have a band or was anyone into playing musical instruments? [Andrew] Yeah, we had   [Ingrid] Did you have a band or was anyone into playing musical instruments? [Andrew] Yeah, we had  
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a bit of a bit of
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a band, I guess. Um, so Jono Reeve took his guitar down and he used to a band, I guess. Um, so Jono Reeve took his guitar down and he used to
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practise down in the science building and I took my recorder [laughs] down there practise down in the science building and I took my recorder [laughs] down there
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and learned and learned
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a bit and we actually ended up pr-producing some stuff for midwinters. Ah, Kimbo is on the a bit and we actually ended up pr-producing some stuff for midwinters. Ah, Kimbo is on the
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keyboard so ah, there weren't many of us, but we had keyboard so ah, there weren't many of us, but we had
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a little bit of activity I think during the following summer there were a few a little bit of activity I think during the following summer there were a few
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other summerers that got involved in that but yeah I guess in our winter we other summerers that got involved in that but yeah I guess in our winter we
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had only a very small band but still a bit of had only a very small band but still a bit of
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a musical presence anyway. [Ingrid] So what did you do for midwinter? [Andrew] Ah, well we did the   a musical presence anyway. [Ingrid] So what did you do for midwinter? [Andrew] Ah, well we did the  
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traditional, well, actually no we, we traditional, well, actually no we, we
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still had a traditional in the sense of the main activities but rather than doing still had a traditional in the sense of the main activities but rather than doing
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a Cinderella type thing we did a bit over a review and we did a Cinderella type thing we did a bit over a review and we did
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a review of what happened in our year essentially. So basically everybody kind of a review of what happened in our year essentially. So basically everybody kind of
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put on some sort of activity and we had a bit of  put on some sort of activity and we had a bit of 
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a reenactment of the fight on the beach. At the Nella a reenactment of the fight on the beach. At the Nella
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grounding we had, you know grounding we had, you know
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a, a, connoisseur's guide to field huts, and you know sort of just a, a, connoisseur's guide to field huts, and you know sort of just
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little skits basically. And ah, yeah, we didn't do Cinderella I think that little skits basically. And ah, yeah, we didn't do Cinderella I think that
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was 1 thing that I remember being a bit of a break from tradition and that was was 1 thing that I remember being a bit of a break from tradition and that was
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our rebel aspect coming out or something like that. [Ingrid] Did you do the coast to coast  our rebel aspect coming out or something like that. [Ingrid] Did you do the coast to coast 
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[Andrew] No, well. We did, we did a just a jump in and jump out swim so basically it was [Andrew] No, well. We did, we did a just a jump in and jump out swim so basically it was
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into just out in front of the comms building, 1 of the problems that we had as I into just out in front of the comms building, 1 of the problems that we had as I
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recall was that a big bull elephant seal had managed to die on the beach there and it was actually, recall was that a big bull elephant seal had managed to die on the beach there and it was actually,
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yeah it was quite yeah it was quite
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a stench down there and that helped make it a pretty quick tip but basically we a stench down there and that helped make it a pretty quick tip but basically we
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just jumped out into the breakers swam round, got wet bascially and jumped out again and then just jumped out into the breakers swam round, got wet bascially and jumped out again and then
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jumped into the spa as it was back then, I'm not quite sure what it's like jumped into the spa as it was back then, I'm not quite sure what it's like
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today, but basically it was just a bit of a  today, but basically it was just a bit of a 
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hole in the ground. Plunge pool essentially, outside the sauna. [Ingrid] And how was that lined? hole in the ground. Plunge pool essentially, outside the sauna. [Ingrid] And how was that lined?
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[Andrew] That was just concrete. In fact it used to have little elephant seal weaners in the  [Andrew] That was just concrete. In fact it used to have little elephant seal weaners in the 
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summertime. They'd managed to get in there and roll around. But, yeah, we had   summertime. They'd managed to get in there and roll around. But, yeah, we had  
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a quick dip in the, in the plunge pool, was actually to warm up almost [laughs] [Ingrid] And was there any  a quick dip in the, in the plunge pool, was actually to warm up almost [laughs] [Ingrid] And was there any 
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decking or seating around the plunge pool? [Andrew] No, no. It was all pretty spartan back then. decking or seating around the plunge pool? [Andrew] No, no. It was all pretty spartan back then.
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Again, consult Macquarie Island Year  Again, consult Macquarie Island Year 
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Book for photos but um, ah, yeah, no, just, just basic there and the Book for photos but um, ah, yeah, no, just, just basic there and the
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sauna was quite basic. Enough just  sauna was quite basic. Enough just 
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a couple of people, 3 people I think you'd get in there. [Ingrid] Hmm. So, talking about the Year Book, who was in a couple of people, 3 people I think you'd get in there. [Ingrid] Hmm. So, talking about the Year Book, who was in
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charge of developing the Year Book? [Andrew] Right, well um, Dave Slip was probably the main charge of developing the Year Book? [Andrew] Right, well um, Dave Slip was probably the main
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driver. driver.
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Dave was our biologist, winter in fact you know that year we had um, well by today's standards Dave was our biologist, winter in fact you know that year we had um, well by today's standards
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a huge wintering science presence [laughs] in terms of scientists, myself and Dave Slip so we a huge wintering science presence [laughs] in terms of scientists, myself and Dave Slip so we
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had 2, 2 winterers there and in other stations we had other wintering science had 2, 2 winterers there and in other stations we had other wintering science
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people. We had another person in our program, um, that was Mike Craven, he was at Davis  people. We had another person in our program, um, that was Mike Craven, he was at Davis 
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that year. Um, and we had engineers at each of the stations so we had quite that year. Um, and we had engineers at each of the stations so we had quite
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a few people directly involved in science. Anyway Dave was our Year Book editor. I a few people directly involved in science. Anyway Dave was our Year Book editor. I
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became involved. I was the station photographer. Became involved in taking became involved. I was the station photographer. Became involved in taking
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the photographs for Year Book and we decided early on roughly what we wanted and in the photographs for Year Book and we decided early on roughly what we wanted and in
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fact we ended up um, 1 of the activities we did do was to produce fact we ended up um, 1 of the activities we did do was to produce
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a calendar. Um, I guess these things are pretty commonplace or have been pretty a calendar. Um, I guess these things are pretty commonplace or have been pretty
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commonplace. But in commonplace. But in
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our Year Book, if you open it up to the mid section, you'll find our calendar and that was one of our Year Book, if you open it up to the mid section, you'll find our calendar and that was one of
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the things that we decided early on, mainly, I think we ended up producing this calendar the things that we decided early on, mainly, I think we ended up producing this calendar
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for Karen Townrow. That shows expeditioners is in some [Ingrid] Various states of  for Karen Townrow. That shows expeditioners is in some [Ingrid] Various states of 
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undress. [Andrew] Yeah that's right but, but with stra- [Ingrid] With strategic [Andrew] Yes, for example Kim Nitschke had, undress. [Andrew] Yeah that's right but, but with stra- [Ingrid] With strategic [Andrew] Yes, for example Kim Nitschke had,
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he has his model aircraft, ah, that he was constructing he has his model aircraft, ah, that he was constructing
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appropriately placed [laughs] [Ingrid] Large model aircraft. [laughs] [Andrew] That's right, he has the cockpit in the appropriate spot. So, appropriately placed [laughs] [Ingrid] Large model aircraft. [laughs] [Andrew] That's right, he has the cockpit in the appropriate spot. So,
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Dave and I between us had sort of designed a rough guide for the Year Book. Dave and I between us had sort of designed a rough guide for the Year Book.
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Towards the end of the year we started to put some things together. I'd taken all the Towards the end of the year we started to put some things together. I'd taken all the
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calendar photographs and things like that. [Ingrid] Did everyone participate in that? [Andrew] No, no calendar photographs and things like that. [Ingrid] Did everyone participate in that? [Andrew] No, no
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some people didn't want to. Um, so that was OK. But we obviously got 12 photos out of that, 1 some people didn't want to. Um, so that was OK. But we obviously got 12 photos out of that, 1
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for each month. 12 out of 16's not bad. I'm not in there, I'm behind for each month. 12 out of 16's not bad. I'm not in there, I'm behind
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the lens but ah yeah, so we roughly decided but then, people came home. Most of the winterers left on the  the lens but ah yeah, so we roughly decided but then, people came home. Most of the winterers left on the 
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1st ship, a few of us stayed on, about 4 or 5 of us stayed on for 1st ship, a few of us stayed on, about 4 or 5 of us stayed on for
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the full summer. So, I was there for about 17 months altogether because the last ship came the full summer. So, I was there for about 17 months altogether because the last ship came
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out in April. And then things kind of just lapsed  out in April. And then things kind of just lapsed 
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a bit and it wasn't until 1998, 10 years after our year a bit and it wasn't until 1998, 10 years after our year
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that we actually put the Year Book together. So Dave and I put, putting it together, Glen our that we actually put the Year Book together. So Dave and I put, putting it together, Glen our
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station leader, you know,  we recorded material for station leader, you know,  we recorded material for
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a station video and we launched that on the 10th anniversary at the Division here. a station video and we launched that on the 10th anniversary at the Division here.
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And um, yeah, it came out as a VHS And um, yeah, it came out as a VHS
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video which has been subsequently transferred to a DVD  video which has been subsequently transferred to a DVD 
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and for the 25th anniversary we're hoping for the full 3D surround,  and for the 25th anniversary we're hoping for the full 3D surround, 
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virtual reality tour of Maquarie Island 1988. So, yeah. [Ingrid] Hmm. I have to ask if Karen virtual reality tour of Maquarie Island 1988. So, yeah. [Ingrid] Hmm. I have to ask if Karen
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appreciated her calendar? [Andrew] She did. No, she did very much appreciate that in the positive appreciated her calendar? [Andrew] She did. No, she did very much appreciate that in the positive
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sense so that, that was good. [Ingrid] Did you use that as sense so that, that was good. [Ingrid] Did you use that as
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a Kris Kringle present or as a? [Andrew] I think we just presented it to Karen just a Kris Kringle present or as a? [Andrew] I think we just presented it to Karen just
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before the end of year. And we kind of, you know produce some sort of present for before the end of year. And we kind of, you know produce some sort of present for
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everybody. And of course, we did the standard stuff throughour the year of menus for special everybody. And of course, we did the standard stuff throughour the year of menus for special
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occasions we had a midwinter menu we had an end of summer, beginning of summer occasions we had a midwinter menu we had an end of summer, beginning of summer
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menu and that sort of thing, Christmas menus. [Ingrid] Did you have any particular hobbies or menu and that sort of thing, Christmas menus. [Ingrid] Did you have any particular hobbies or
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things that you made when you were down there? [Andrew] I remember Ted Meadowcroft being very things that you made when you were down there? [Andrew] I remember Ted Meadowcroft being very
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creative and ah, he would make up creative and ah, he would make up
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picture frames and various other things in fact we made, well, you know just a few other, picture frames and various other things in fact we made, well, you know just a few other,
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a few little activities for the station. We made the picture frame for the midwinter a few little activities for the station. We made the picture frame for the midwinter
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photo and we actually, I guess in our photo and we actually, I guess in our
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year we, we did the midwinter photo at midwinter and we put it up at midwinter year we, we did the midwinter photo at midwinter and we put it up at midwinter
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pretty much I think it was you know like pretty much I think it was you know like
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a day or 2 around that time. Yeah, Ted was very creative that way. a day or 2 around that time. Yeah, Ted was very creative that way.
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[Ingrid] And all the midwinter photos were on the south wall of the mess? [Andrew] Yeah they were on that [Ingrid] And all the midwinter photos were on the south wall of the mess? [Andrew] Yeah they were on that
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south wall. They were on the side facing Southern Aurora donga and south wall. They were on the side facing Southern Aurora donga and
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remember 1, 1 slightly funny thing related to the midwinter remember 1, 1 slightly funny thing related to the midwinter
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photo. Lutz Hauenschild, 1 of our met people photo. Lutz Hauenschild, 1 of our met people
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We'd managed to misspell his name, or I'd managed to mispell his name on the   We'd managed to misspell his name, or I'd managed to mispell his name on the  
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photo simply because I was taking the station leader's list of names and so I remember photo simply because I was taking the station leader's list of names and so I remember
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Lutz going past the photograph and saying, that's not right, that's misspelling and Lutz going past the photograph and saying, that's not right, that's misspelling and
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so I had to go and actually fix that on the day and put another photo up, as I recall. so I had to go and actually fix that on the day and put another photo up, as I recall.
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But ah, yes all those photos were there and that was another great link to the past But ah, yes all those photos were there and that was another great link to the past
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as well seeing all those names. And actually seeing people, you know that would come through the as well seeing all those names. And actually seeing people, you know that would come through the
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station, appearing in some of the old photos. [Ingrid] Some of the old photos actually station, appearing in some of the old photos. [Ingrid] Some of the old photos actually
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have 2nd, hidden photos behind them. [Andrew] Ah, yes, that's right, yes we didn't have 1 of those in our year no, have 2nd, hidden photos behind them. [Andrew] Ah, yes, that's right, yes we didn't have 1 of those in our year no,
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I can say that but I think we might have actually had I can say that but I think we might have actually had
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a Sarah Jane ah, in there at some point. She might even still be there actually. a Sarah Jane ah, in there at some point. She might even still be there actually.
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When you were down on Macquarie Island, did you have When you were down on Macquarie Island, did you have
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a nickname? [Andrew] Yes, I had a nickname. I was a nickname? [Andrew] Yes, I had a nickname. I was
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a couple of nicknames well, Helen Beggs from the previous year used to call me Clucky  a couple of nicknames well, Helen Beggs from the previous year used to call me Clucky 
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Chook and that's where I guess my main nickname has come from. It's just a play  Chook and that's where I guess my main nickname has come from. It's just a play 
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on my surname. The chook part, Klekociuk, um, Clucky Chook. Depending on my mood, people would call me Killer Chook on my surname. The chook part, Klekociuk, um, Clucky Chook. Depending on my mood, people would call me Killer Chook
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or Clunky Chook or Clever Chook. or Clunky Chook or Clever Chook.
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But our, dieso, Steve But our, dieso, Steve
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McBurnie used to call me, I was, I'd put on a  McBurnie used to call me, I was, I'd put on a 
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bit of weight actually in that year and, and he used to call me ?Thessalonicus bit of weight actually in that year and, and he used to call me ?Thessalonicus
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Anjonicus Maximus?. He likes kind of Roman stuff and Monty Python and a Anjonicus Maximus?. He likes kind of Roman stuff and Monty Python and a
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a few other things. Anyway so today I still get called Thess by Dave Slip and a few other things. Anyway so today I still get called Thess by Dave Slip and
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Jono Reeve, so that's where Thess comes from. I don't really like Thess. But, I'd prefer to  Jono Reeve, so that's where Thess comes from. I don't really like Thess. But, I'd prefer to 
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answer to Clucky Chook because in various other years down south I think people have answer to Clucky Chook because in various other years down south I think people have
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probably found it easier to say Clucky Chook than Klekocuik, anyway, so yeah, that was my nickname. [Ingrid] So in  probably found it easier to say Clucky Chook than Klekocuik, anyway, so yeah, that was my nickname. [Ingrid] So in 
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terms of group dynamics how would you sum up your year at Macquarie Island? [Andrew] Very happy, very terms of group dynamics how would you sum up your year at Macquarie Island? [Andrew] Very happy, very
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I think we were all very satisfied. We had such I think we were all very satisfied. We had such
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a great bunch of people we got on really well. Had a a great bunch of people we got on really well. Had a
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few little incidents. We had what's called the prima donna incident where we had few little incidents. We had what's called the prima donna incident where we had
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a station meeting and [laughs] it was something to do with, I think a station meeting and [laughs] it was something to do with, I think
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our chef Michael just wanted a bit more time to go down the island and do our chef Michael just wanted a bit more time to go down the island and do
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a few things and Steve McBurnie ?arced? up and called him a a few things and Steve McBurnie ?arced? up and called him a
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a prima donna in front of the station and we kind of made the most of that in a prima donna in front of the station and we kind of made the most of that in
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various ways and so that was probably the major contentious issue that I recall anyway various ways and so that was probably the major contentious issue that I recall anyway
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but yeah, we got on really well together. We still have ah, you know quite but yeah, we got on really well together. We still have ah, you know quite
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close links back in the group. We've had our 10th anniversary we had close links back in the group. We've had our 10th anniversary we had
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the 20th a few years back and the 25th we're looking forward to now. Numbers are thinning the 20th a few years back and the 25th we're looking forward to now. Numbers are thinning
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a bit some of our guys aren't around anymore but most of us are still there. a bit some of our guys aren't around anymore but most of us are still there.
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We had ?inaudible? too made quite We had ?inaudible? too made quite
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a big difference in our summer and the summerers too we have a lot of strong links back to the  a big difference in our summer and the summerers too we have a lot of strong links back to the 
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summerers that were there. And you know we've even listed all of summerers' names in summerers that were there. And you know we've even listed all of summerers' names in
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our Year Book and yeah, there's still our Year Book and yeah, there's still
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a lot of those people still involved in Antarctic program which is great. [Ingrid] So how did a lot of those people still involved in Antarctic program which is great. [Ingrid] So how did
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you feel when the ship came to pick you up? [Andrew] Yeah it was quite interesting, I you feel when the ship came to pick you up? [Andrew] Yeah it was quite interesting, I
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remember feeling saddened I suppose in some way. I guess remember feeling saddened I suppose in some way. I guess
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seeing well, I'd had close links with the winterers. They'd left in seeing well, I'd had close links with the winterers. They'd left in
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the beginning of the 2nd summer I was there and then I developed the beginning of the 2nd summer I was there and then I developed
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a whole bunch of new friendships with, with the winterers from 1989 and so I was sad a whole bunch of new friendships with, with the winterers from 1989 and so I was sad
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actually to see probably those people, well, say goodbye to those people but also say goodbye actually to see probably those people, well, say goodbye to those people but also say goodbye
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to the island which I'd really, you know, explored quite to the island which I'd really, you know, explored quite
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a lot and particularly in that 2nd summer I'd managed to get out quite a lot and particularly in that 2nd summer I'd managed to get out quite
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a bit. And, yeah, I knew I'd be back at some stage I guess that was the a bit. And, yeah, I knew I'd be back at some stage I guess that was the
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thing for me it wasn't going to be goodbye for ever thing for me it wasn't going to be goodbye for ever
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'cos, I knew I wanted to come back and I, I managed to come back for another 'cos, I knew I wanted to come back and I, I managed to come back for another
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summer, not too long afterwards actually which was great. So, yeah, still   summer, not too long afterwards actually which was great. So, yeah, still  
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have very fond memories of that time and I think fondly of all those days and we  have very fond memories of that time and I think fondly of all those days and we 
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did a lot down there we, as did a lot down there we, as
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I say, we put together that ANARE Sat facility which was another bit of I say, we put together that ANARE Sat facility which was another bit of
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a highlight. That was a bit of a highlight. That was a bit of
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a funny kind of thing in some ways because, um, we didn't get all of the concrete that a funny kind of thing in some ways because, um, we didn't get all of the concrete that
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we needed for that and we were we needed for that and we were
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a bit creative in what we had to do and there are some big rocks in the bottom of a bit creative in what we had to do and there are some big rocks in the bottom of
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that thing that we chucked in and Don Reid was quite [laughs] quite clever and quite that thing that we chucked in and Don Reid was quite [laughs] quite clever and quite
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resourceful there. And a few of us were involved in putting that thing together we had resourceful there. And a few of us were involved in putting that thing together we had
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some good times. It was another sort of station activity that brought some good times. It was another sort of station activity that brought
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a lot of people together. Trying to herd elephant seals out from setting a lot of people together. Trying to herd elephant seals out from setting
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concrete and all sorts of other exciting things. So that was probably the other concrete and all sorts of other exciting things. So that was probably the other
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achievement of our year that has achievement of our year that has
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a lasting impression and yeah just some of the infrastructure there. But I think in a lasting impression and yeah just some of the infrastructure there. But I think in
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terms of science we really, we we raised the notch on  terms of science we really, we we raised the notch on 
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a number of things in that year that still continue today we put in place some of a number of things in that year that still continue today we put in place some of
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the ideas for the Clean Air Lab the ideas for the Clean Air Lab
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that's down there now. I think that idea was born at the time that that's down there now. I think that idea was born at the time that
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we were there and that's enabled a lot of the CSIRO and Bureau of we were there and that's enabled a lot of the CSIRO and Bureau of
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Meteorology and ANSTO monitoring to continue down there so that was another output Meteorology and ANSTO monitoring to continue down there so that was another output
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of our year I think. [Ingrid] Cool. And on that note. Sounds like it was a great year. We'll take a break. of our year I think. [Ingrid] Cool. And on that note. Sounds like it was a great year. We'll take a break.