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[Jake?] and Ruth said that, ah, their kids have told them, not when they were living here, but when they were grown up [Jake?] and Ruth said that, ah, their kids have told them, not when they were living here, but when they were grown up
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back of the State school back of the State school
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a fighting round or something down from the school. Yeah. You don't remember that? a fighting round or something down from the school. Yeah. You don't remember that?
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Yeah, it's just those sort of fights. Yeah. Yeah. What between one camp and another or? Yeah, it's just those sort of fights. Yeah. Yeah. What between one camp and another or?
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Yeah, something like that [laughter]. Yeah. The parents never knew about it. Yeah Yeah, something like that [laughter]. Yeah. The parents never knew about it. Yeah
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The parents didn't really mind at those times I don't think. It's just kids fighting. Yeah. You know, like The parents didn't really mind at those times I don't think. It's just kids fighting. Yeah. You know, like
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all kids be fighting and then be friends again in a couple of minutes so. Did the Hartwig's children go to school all kids be fighting and then be friends again in a couple of minutes so. Did the Hartwig's children go to school
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too? Yeah, Jeremy and Eleanor. Eleanor and Jeremy too? Yeah, Jeremy and Eleanor. Eleanor and Jeremy
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Were they your age?. Yeah, Eleanor's my age. Yeah. She spoke the language pretty well? Were they your age?. Yeah, Eleanor's my age. Yeah. She spoke the language pretty well?
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They got to speak the language up here. Yeah. And who was living at the mill They got to speak the language up here. Yeah. And who was living at the mill
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area, working there, families? At that time we had area, working there, families? At that time we had
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they used to live [...?] they used to live [...?]
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[...?] used to live. Just across the road. [...?] used to live. Just across the road.
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And his wife, Evelyn. What were they doing, what was he doing? He was a And his wife, Evelyn. What were they doing, what was he doing? He was a
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used to work in the mill too [...?] used to work in the mill too [...?]
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they'd just cutting timbers. You know, making timbers they'd just cutting timbers. You know, making timbers
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[...?] Madden and Billy Jackson and his wife Dawn. Yep. And they had some children too. [...?] Madden and Billy Jackson and his wife Dawn. Yep. And they had some children too.
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Yeah, they had four children. They had Cheryl, Trisha, Kevin and Yeah, they had four children. They had Cheryl, Trisha, Kevin and
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Neville. So they went to school too? Yeah, Cheryl and Patricia were there, yeah. Neville. So they went to school too? Yeah, Cheryl and Patricia were there, yeah.
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went to school there because Cheryl's around about my age and Patricia's just a little bit younger. Did they learn the language went to school there because Cheryl's around about my age and Patricia's just a little bit younger. Did they learn the language
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too? Oh, they didn't actually learn it but they know, you know.. Understand.. they understood. Oh, yeah. too? Oh, they didn't actually learn it but they know, you know.. Understand.. they understood. Oh, yeah.
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used to talk to 'em or when we used to say something, yes, they understood what we said. used to talk to 'em or when we used to say something, yes, they understood what we said.
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They'd come down most of the time with their Mums and that. The [...?] kids as well They'd come down most of the time with their Mums and that. The [...?] kids as well
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used to come around and have damper and tea with used to come around and have damper and tea with
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us. Oh, yeah down at your place? Yeah, down at our place. Cause that was the old mill us. Oh, yeah down at your place? Yeah, down at our place. Cause that was the old mill
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house too. Mmmm. Where we live at previous to us moving there they had house too. Mmmm. Where we live at previous to us moving there they had
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[Villaflors?] used to live there and. [Villaflors?]. Yeah. Who was that? [Villaflors?] used to live there and. [Villaflors?]. Yeah. Who was that?
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George, ah, George [Villaflor?]. George [Villaflor's?] father. Oh really. Mmm. So, he grew up George, ah, George [Villaflor?]. George [Villaflor's?] father. Oh really. Mmm. So, he grew up
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here too? George or was that later? That was earlier here too? George or was that later? That was earlier
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That was in [Frankie?] and Florence's time. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was in [Frankie?] and Florence's time. Oh yeah. Yeah.
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Um, and Frankie and Florence worked at the ply mill? Yeah, Yeah. They both worked at the ply mill and then Frankie left Um, and Frankie and Florence worked at the ply mill? Yeah, Yeah. They both worked at the ply mill and then Frankie left
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[...?] [...?]
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[...?]. And who was working at the ply mill? [...?]. And who was working at the ply mill?
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His daughter Isabelle Harrigan. Gracie worked there for a little while. Um His daughter Isabelle Harrigan. Gracie worked there for a little while. Um
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and [...?] and his wife Gloria. Oh, Gloria. Yeah. And their kids went to and [...?] and his wife Gloria. Oh, Gloria. Yeah. And their kids went to
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school? Yeah, Rita and Wilma and Helen. They had. school? Yeah, Rita and Wilma and Helen. They had.
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Ah, Mrs [...?] used to work there too. Jean, yeah. Ah, Mrs [...?] used to work there too. Jean, yeah.
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Someone called Mrs Vance? Um. Mrs [...?] Someone called Mrs Vance? Um. Mrs [...?]
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Lived at the house or something at the Mill. Might have been before your time. Oh, yeah well they. The [Cotter's?] Lived at the house or something at the Mill. Might have been before your time. Oh, yeah well they. The [Cotter's?]
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had the boarding house. Mrs. Collins? Cotter. Who? Cotter. Cotter's had the boarding house. Mrs. Collins? Cotter. Who? Cotter. Cotter's
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Yeah. Oh. When I, When we were kids there [cough]. When we would go Yeah. Oh. When I, When we were kids there [cough]. When we would go
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to the school at the old school down there. (...) The Cotter's owned the to the school at the old school down there. (...) The Cotter's owned the
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boarding house and then old Frank Gunther was [...?] boarding house and then old Frank Gunther was [...?]
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I remember those. Um, Hansen. [Hansevid?], his mother and that I remember those. Um, Hansen. [Hansevid?], his mother and that
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Hans? Hans vid. mmm. Vid? Yeah, (VEID) Hans? Hans vid. mmm. Vid? Yeah, (VEID)
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not the [...?] is house now but just a little to the right there not the [...?] is house now but just a little to the right there
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So near the old schoolhouse? Right, right, yeah. So near the old schoolhouse? Right, right, yeah.
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What did he do, worked at the mill as well. He worked at the mill, yeah. What did he do, worked at the mill as well. He worked at the mill, yeah.
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[Leech?] were they there? Yeah, that's [Tim's brother?]. I remember one of their kids [Leech?] were they there? Yeah, that's [Tim's brother?]. I remember one of their kids
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[Dale Martin?]. No, No, ah [Dale Martin?]. No, No, ah
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There was a [Dale Martin?]. No, yeah, that's um There was a [Dale Martin?]. No, yeah, that's um
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was, ah, Flo's sisters, her son. Oh yeah. was, ah, Flo's sisters, her son. Oh yeah.
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And they had a house at the mill? Dusty and Flo. Dusty And they had a house at the mill? Dusty and Flo. Dusty
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What did Dusty do? He was working at the mill. What did Dusty do? He was working at the mill.
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[...]? and there was [...]? and there was
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What's their name. [...?] What's their name. [...?]
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lived there. [Bergin's?] they were called. [Bergins?] Mmmm lived there. [Bergin's?] they were called. [Bergins?] Mmmm
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Johnny's. Johnny's living in Mosman now he was one of the kids [...?] and Phyllis Johnny's. Johnny's living in Mosman now he was one of the kids [...?] and Phyllis
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Alfie and [...?] Alfie and [...?]
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And where, ah, what was their last name did you say? [Bergin?] [Bergin?] And where, ah, what was their last name did you say? [Bergin?] [Bergin?]
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Lived out at [Wonga..?] Yeah, [...?] lived out at [Wonga...?] Lived out at [Wonga..?] Yeah, [...?] lived out at [Wonga...?]
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old Harry Bick somewhere near there. He's out the [...?] yeah bit further around. old Harry Bick somewhere near there. He's out the [...?] yeah bit further around.
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Yeah, [cough]. Um, did you ever go out sort of Yeah, [cough]. Um, did you ever go out sort of
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[Whyalla?] way at all? Yeah, we used to go out that way we used to go camping a fair bit out that way [Whyalla?] way at all? Yeah, we used to go out that way we used to go camping a fair bit out that way
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with Nancy and Corporal a fair bit. They used to take us out with Nancy and Corporal a fair bit. They used to take us out
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they had [...?] too many boys in the family so they had [...?] too many boys in the family so
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mates and that went pig hunting with dad a fair bit you see. Oh yeah, where out. Out that way 12 mile there. Hmhm mates and that went pig hunting with dad a fair bit you see. Oh yeah, where out. Out that way 12 mile there. Hmhm
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Um. Did you ever kill any yourself? Um. Did you ever kill any yourself?
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No, never killed any myself. What he had a gun. Yeah, Dad had a gun No, never killed any myself. What he had a gun. Yeah, Dad had a gun
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Mm. And (scrubby knees)? And (scrubby knees)  Mm. And (scrubby knees)? And (scrubby knees) 
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Yeah, used to go off with those a fair bit. Bush turkeys, they would get them? Yeah, used to go off with those a fair bit. Bush turkeys, they would get them?
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Yeah, bush turkeys we used to get the Yeah, bush turkeys we used to get the
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[...?] you know those fruit? The fruit. Yeah [...?] you know those fruit? The fruit. Yeah
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What do you call them? [We used to?] What do you call them? [We used to?]
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[...?] Yeah. Quandongs? Quandongs, yeah. Bit of this bit of that. [...?] Yeah. Quandongs? Quandongs, yeah. Bit of this bit of that.
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Nut trees, any nut trees out there? [billar...?] or [barka...?]. [Billar...?] yeah, we used to get a lot of those. Nut trees, any nut trees out there? [billar...?] or [barka...?]. [Billar...?] yeah, we used to get a lot of those.
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[.I used to go..?] we'd get most of those old [.Billar..?] trees for, um [.I used to go..?] we'd get most of those old [.Billar..?] trees for, um
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witchetty grub cause they like being in those old witchetty grub cause they like being in those old
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You eat, eat out there? Yeah you just, Yeah, you just what ever pig and what not, you know. You eat, eat out there? Yeah you just, Yeah, you just what ever pig and what not, you know.
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Just eat not, you know, white food otherwise. Yeah, mostly. When you went camping. [laughs] Yeah Just eat not, you know, white food otherwise. Yeah, mostly. When you went camping. [laughs] Yeah
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if we went camping we'd eat mostly white, you know, European food. Yeah. if we went camping we'd eat mostly white, you know, European food. Yeah.
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Not at home though, you'd eat more. Mmm. would you? And then camping you'd eat more traditional stuff. Not at home though, you'd eat more. Mmm. would you? And then camping you'd eat more traditional stuff.
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Yeah. You get yams out there too. Yeah, yams Yeah. You get yams out there too. Yeah, yams
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I remember we used to go there, there's oyster. It's not actually the oyster but the other I remember we used to go there, there's oyster. It's not actually the oyster but the other
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one. What do you call them. You know with the rocks [...?] one. What do you call them. You know with the rocks [...?]
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Yeah, um, just um, it's a lot you know when you go on these rocks there's Yeah, um, just um, it's a lot you know when you go on these rocks there's
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On the outs-, on the south side of Bloomfield? Oh, you can get 'em across the river and On the outs-, on the south side of Bloomfield? Oh, you can get 'em across the river and
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just up little bit from the, from the wharf [...?] just up little bit from the, from the wharf [...?]
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sort of a fan-shaped. A flatter. Round fan-shaped thing it sort of a fan-shaped. A flatter. Round fan-shaped thing it
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you have to dive for them. Dive, do you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the [...?] used to dive for them. In the river? you have to dive for them. Dive, do you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the [...?] used to dive for them. In the river?
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Yeah, Did you do that too? [laugh]. Ah, Yeah, Did you do that too? [laugh]. Ah,
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there wasn't as many here as there are now. No. Most, the crocodiles are mostly down at Plantation there wasn't as many here as there are now. No. Most, the crocodiles are mostly down at Plantation
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What people would shoot them or? Yeah, we didn't have crocodile [noise] What people would shoot them or? Yeah, we didn't have crocodile [noise]
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problems, you know, when we were growing up as kids. No. Mm. You had a pretty good spot there problems, you know, when we were growing up as kids. No. Mm. You had a pretty good spot there
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looking, you could see down the mouth and up the river. Yeah, Yeah we used to dive off the Wharf to swim in. Or did you? Yeah, when we were kids. looking, you could see down the mouth and up the river. Yeah, Yeah we used to dive off the Wharf to swim in. Or did you? Yeah, when we were kids.
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[...?] today. Wouldn't try it today though [laughter]. Yeah. Mmmm [...?] today. Wouldn't try it today though [laughter]. Yeah. Mmmm
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nothing like that. Any gropers. Yeah. Groper. Yeah, my Dad used to fish for those. nothing like that. Any gropers. Yeah. Groper. Yeah, my Dad used to fish for those.
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[...?] Oh, did he? Yeah, he, um [...?] Oh, did he? Yeah, he, um
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he used to get loads of this, um, I think it was he used to get loads of this, um, I think it was
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those drums. Aha. Yeah. Get those and those drums. Aha. Yeah. Get those and
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you know, he'd put them out as, you know, like a buoy, you know so you know, he'd put them out as, you know, like a buoy, you know so
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[...?] and leave it there? Leave it, yeah. Go back and check it. Mmmm [...?] and leave it there? Leave it, yeah. Go back and check it. Mmmm
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couple of those gropers. Do you cook them whole or what would you just. No. butcher them up. Butcher couple of those gropers. Do you cook them whole or what would you just. No. butcher them up. Butcher
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them up and share it with the families. Mm Did you have an old wood stove or something or them up and share it with the families. Mm Did you have an old wood stove or something or
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to cook them in over the fire. Old wood stove. Yeah. Yep. Make damper in that or have a fire going? Yeah to cook them in over the fire. Old wood stove. Yeah. Yep. Make damper in that or have a fire going? Yeah
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Mostly have ashes damper [....?] Mostly have ashes damper [....?]
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Bloomfield. Um, well when I went to  Bloomfield. Um, well when I went to 
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[.I ..?] it was 1967. You know, from '67,'69 I went [.I ..?] it was 1967. You know, from '67,'69 I went
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away then. When I went to High School. I went to Toowoomba. And your family was...? away then. When I went to High School. I went to Toowoomba. And your family was...?
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Yeah, they were still living there right up Yeah, they were still living there right up
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to the time, ah, [...?]. When I was to the time, ah, [...?]. When I was
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in Brisbane. I went to school down there and used to come up on holidays. in Brisbane. I went to school down there and used to come up on holidays.
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right up 'til about 90- right up 'til about 90-
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[...?] It was 1971 when I got married. [...?] It was 1971 when I got married.
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And Mum and Dad were still living there then. Oh yeah, where did you live? With Herbie? And Mum and Dad were still living there then. Oh yeah, where did you live? With Herbie?
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[.Yeah..?] [.Yeah..?]
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in Brisbane because Herbie was truck driving. Oh, what was. When  were your married? We were married at the in Brisbane because Herbie was truck driving. Oh, what was. When  were your married? We were married at the
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[...?] Were you? Yeah. And do you remember the date? Ah, 18th December 1971 [...?] Were you? Yeah. And do you remember the date? Ah, 18th December 1971
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Yeah, And how long were in school in Brisbane for, I mean Toowoomba? Yeah, And how long were in school in Brisbane for, I mean Toowoomba?
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[clears throat] I was in Toowoomba for three years. [clears throat] I was in Toowoomba for three years.
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So it would have been 67, '67, '68, '69 and then I did a year's So it would have been 67, '67, '68, '69 and then I did a year's
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in Brisbane. Um, um, Nunn and Trivett's was a Business College in Brisbane. Um, um, Nunn and Trivett's was a Business College
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that's where I took up book keeping, and shorthand and all that stuff. that's where I took up book keeping, and shorthand and all that stuff.
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And Her- Herbie, your husband, where was he [from?]? And Her- Herbie, your husband, where was he [from?]?
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He's originally from Mount Isa but he um He's originally from Mount Isa but he um
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while I was going there he came up and worked for um well [...?] and lately while I was going there he came up and worked for um well [...?] and lately
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[and Blacklwell..Downs..at the time.?] He was there working for them [you know..?] growing, you know, peanuts and carting sorghum [and Blacklwell..Downs..at the time.?] He was there working for them [you know..?] growing, you know, peanuts and carting sorghum
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towards [...?] they had to load it there. Where? [.Archie..?] towards [...?] they had to load it there. Where? [.Archie..?]
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Point Ah, so you did you meet him up here or down? Yeah I met him up here Point Ah, so you did you meet him up here or down? Yeah I met him up here
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Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah he brought Dad home one night. [laugh] Oh, I see. How'd did you like going Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah he brought Dad home one night. [laugh] Oh, I see. How'd did you like going
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I didn't mind it, you know. Many other children from up north here? No, that's why I can't understand I didn't mind it, you know. Many other children from up north here? No, that's why I can't understand
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why, these kids, you know, you know [...?] why, these kids, you know, you know [...?]
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[...?] and in the latter years is great for  [...?] and in the latter years is great for 
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kids they didn't have to go to school 'cause they had company. Yeah kids they didn't have to go to school 'cause they had company. Yeah
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from, from here. From, like, from my own home area and I'm just down on my own from, from here. From, like, from my own home area and I'm just down on my own
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and then three girls from [...?] come and then three girls from [...?] come
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to college with me in Toowoomba. You would have spoken a different language. Yeah to college with me in Toowoomba. You would have spoken a different language. Yeah
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You still could - I mean you spoke English by then I guess. Yeah, yeah. Is that that when you You still could - I mean you spoke English by then I guess. Yeah, yeah. Is that that when you
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learnt at school here, to speak English? Yeah Oh, we spoke English, you know learnt at school here, to speak English? Yeah Oh, we spoke English, you know
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'cause when we grew up, grew up with mostly little white people down when we moved down there 'cause when we grew up, grew up with mostly little white people down when we moved down there
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[...?] we grew up with mostly white like the Hark's and [...?] we grew up with mostly white like the Hark's and
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[...?] and all those. Hmm And at home did your Mum and Dad what did they speak? We, at home [...?] and all those. Hmm And at home did your Mum and Dad what did they speak? We, at home
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we spoke our language. 'Cause your Mother we spoke our language. 'Cause your Mother
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was [...?] Yeah, Mum's [...?] and Dad's [...?]. Yeah, so what did they was [...?] Yeah, Mum's [...?] and Dad's [...?]. Yeah, so what did they
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this its very it's all very much the same - just that dialects are slightly different. Different, you know, endings or this its very it's all very much the same - just that dialects are slightly different. Different, you know, endings or
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Yes. On the words, yeah, so it didn't really matter. Like For example if my Dad would say Yes. On the words, yeah, so it didn't really matter. Like For example if my Dad would say
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he'd speak and if he wanted to say 'who' he'd say [.wanya..?] he'd speak and if he wanted to say 'who' he'd say [.wanya..?]
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and when my Da- Mum speaks she'd say [...?] ,you know. So, what would you say? and when my Da- Mum speaks she'd say [...?] ,you know. So, what would you say?
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I speak mostly my Dad's language but yeah. I speak mostly my Dad's language but yeah.
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Just interesting to know which you pick up. [laugh] Yeah, Yeah [...?] Just interesting to know which you pick up. [laugh] Yeah, Yeah [...?]
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grandmother and she spoke [Yalanji...?] most of the time. Oh, yeah. grandmother and she spoke [Yalanji...?] most of the time. Oh, yeah.
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and you just picked it up from there. Mmm. And did you ever move away - or you were living in Brisbane for a while and you just picked it up from there. Mmm. And did you ever move away - or you were living in Brisbane for a while
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Yeah. You said Yeah. You said
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Samantha was born there. Yeah, we, we still living down there we just came up on holidays Samantha was born there. Yeah, we, we still living down there we just came up on holidays
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and we went back Brisbane and then Herbie got a job and we went back Brisbane and then Herbie got a job
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like to take [...?] you know, he just got tired of living there like to take [...?] you know, he just got tired of living there
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so um so um
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So, um so someone offered him - if he'd like to, you know, So, um so someone offered him - if he'd like to, you know,
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go up to the Territory for, you know, for this, go up to the Territory for, you know, for this,
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so, he did - so we moved from - he said he would so so, he did - so we moved from - he said he would so
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His Dad [old..Al. Hooker..?] he managed the big [Banka Banka...?] station which is His Dad [old..Al. Hooker..?] he managed the big [Banka Banka...?] station which is
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right on the highway at  up in the Territory right on the highway at  up in the Territory
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Banker. Banker Banker. Mmmm and we went up there then we when up there we stayed for a coupla Banker. Banker Banker. Mmmm and we went up there then we when up there we stayed for a coupla
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up there up there
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months up there and he worked there and over in the [...?] And came back where, to here? And then we moved to Mount months up there and he worked there and over in the [...?] And came back where, to here? And then we moved to Mount
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Isa. We lived there Isa. We lived there
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in Mt Isa for 10 years. Oh, did you? Yeah. So you had some, um, any other children? in Mt Isa for 10 years. Oh, did you? Yeah. So you had some, um, any other children?
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Samantha's my only child. Only one. Yeah. And um, Samantha's my only child. Only one. Yeah. And um,
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having more kids it was, you know, I like being on my own too much. Did you work in Mt Isa? having more kids it was, you know, I like being on my own too much. Did you work in Mt Isa?
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[house work most of the housework in Mt Isa?] We moved [house work most of the housework in Mt Isa?] We moved
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'81, end of '81 [coughs] '81, end of '81 [coughs]
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and then we lived down here [that's when we moved over here...?] Your family had left though by then? and then we lived down here [that's when we moved over here...?] Your family had left though by then?
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Your mum and dad. Well, but when we were living in Brisbane Your mum and dad. Well, but when we were living in Brisbane
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and once the weather was right that was the last time I brought her up here, they were still here and once the weather was right that was the last time I brought her up here, they were still here
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then they moved to Mosman. Mum and Dad. then they moved to Mosman. Mum and Dad.
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When the mill, timber mill closed down? Yeah, Mum and Dad moved to Mosman and Dad was working When the mill, timber mill closed down? Yeah, Mum and Dad moved to Mosman and Dad was working
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for the -cutting canes then. Mmm for the -cutting canes then. Mmm
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[.....  Baird..?] In 1981 yeah when [Renae?] was born. Yeah. [.....  Baird..?] In 1981 yeah when [Renae?] was born. Yeah.
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She was born 20th of, ah, March She was born 20th of, ah, March
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Renae? Renae. Is that whose? Karen's brother [Allan was the father...?] Renae? Renae. Is that whose? Karen's brother [Allan was the father...?]
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and then when we moved over [...?] and then when we moved over [...?]
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[so they adopted Renae...?] She's been..[..] [so they adopted Renae...?] She's been..[..]
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Yeah, to live. Yeah. Had she been living here for a while? Yeah, when I was Yeah, to live. Yeah. Had she been living here for a while? Yeah, when I was
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Dad died in Cairns Base Hospital when he was living in Mosman at the time. Dad died in Cairns Base Hospital when he was living in Mosman at the time.
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And was it just old age or? No, he had cancer. Dad had cancer And was it just old age or? No, he had cancer. Dad had cancer
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they been here ever since then and last year we lost Mum then they been here ever since then and last year we lost Mum then
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And, um, Sandra was telling me that she was in hospital and her sister came up from. From Townsville up, yeah And, um, Sandra was telling me that she was in hospital and her sister came up from. From Townsville up, yeah
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from Palm Island actually. But she came up from Townsville. from Palm Island actually. But she came up from Townsville.
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Visiting Mum to see if Mum was alright and um she got sick Visiting Mum to see if Mum was alright and um she got sick
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breast cancer and that sort breast cancer and that sort
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of spread right up to her arms 'cause her arms used to swell up and she used to get aches, lot of aches of spread right up to her arms 'cause her arms used to swell up and she used to get aches, lot of aches
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in her arms. in her arms.
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and then she died in hospital. Cairns Base. And they both died the same day or something. No. Pretty... and then she died in hospital. Cairns Base. And they both died the same day or something. No. Pretty...
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She died on the Saturday I think and ah Mum died She died on the Saturday I think and ah Mum died
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Did they see much of each other during their life or not? No, not really. They never spent Did they see much of each other during their life or not? No, not really. They never spent
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all that much time together, you know. When they eventually could afford it 'cause all that much time together, you know. When they eventually could afford it 'cause
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my Aunty she was married to a Palm Island fella and when he died my Aunty she was married to a Palm Island fella and when he died
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she didn't want to leave Palm so she stayed down there most of the time. She had kids she got she didn't want to leave Palm so she stayed down there most of the time. She had kids she got
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a girl and three boys of her own. And a girl and three boys of her own. And
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she just wanted to stay down there. So, whenever she could afford it she'd come up and visit but she just wanted to stay down there. So, whenever she could afford it she'd come up and visit but
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[...?] they hardly saw each other so [...?] they hardly saw each other so
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once she did come up and lived with us and she once she did come up and lived with us and she
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[it was only a day...?]. Yeah. She'd most of thought she must of knew she wasn't going to be up this way again. Yeah [it was only a day...?]. Yeah. She'd most of thought she must of knew she wasn't going to be up this way again. Yeah
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Mmm, Mmm. Ah. Mmm, Mmm. Ah.
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Um, it was a fair few houses up Um, it was a fair few houses up
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when we moved in. Who was the manager? Oh, when I moved up here who was the manager when we moved in. Who was the manager? Oh, when I moved up here who was the manager
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It's [ Ed Stefan..?] I think. Yeah. Was he, he was the last one wasn't he? It's [ Ed Stefan..?] I think. Yeah. Was he, he was the last one wasn't he?
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And, ah, um [Milton Ackerman...?] was the last one. Who? [Milton Ackerman...?]. Oh, And, ah, um [Milton Ackerman...?] was the last one. Who? [Milton Ackerman...?]. Oh,
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[Milton?] that was right, yeah, forgot about him. Yeah. And when did you start working in the [Milton?] that was right, yeah, forgot about him. Yeah. And when did you start working in the
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Council. In 1981 I think or '82 somewhere I think I started. Were you.... Council. In 1981 I think or '82 somewhere I think I started. Were you....
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Yeah. And your husband. Ah, my husband came in 81. Yeah. And your husband. Ah, my husband came in 81.
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travelled there so I came up first and then. Is he still travelled there so I came up first and then. Is he still
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Oh, he's working in [.Flattery..?] now. Oh yeah. Yeah, so Oh, he's working in [.Flattery..?] now. Oh yeah. Yeah, so
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He's living - We're not, we're not living together so he's um He's living - We're not, we're not living together so he's um
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at [...?] and he's got his friend. Yeah. [laugh]. And, but at [...?] and he's got his friend. Yeah. [laugh]. And, but
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but he's got a job up in [...?] and still paying it off. but he's got a job up in [...?] and still paying it off.
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Wants to stay out there, you know. What's your job here at the Council? Deputy, Deputy Council Clerk I am Wants to stay out there, you know. What's your job here at the Council? Deputy, Deputy Council Clerk I am
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I was Shire Clerk but I didn't run got things got I was Shire Clerk but I didn't run got things got
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little bit too complicated little bit too complicated
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so I stood down from Council Clerk. And why was that? Oh, so I stood down from Council Clerk. And why was that? Oh,
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lot of changes in Community Services Act and all that, you know. A lot of responsibility lot of changes in Community Services Act and all that, you know. A lot of responsibility
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[Guess so...?] [Guess so...?]
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Is that when Robert Barry came in. Mmm, yeah. Is that when Robert Barry came in. Mmm, yeah.
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Yeah, that's when Robert came in. You haven't been actually a Council Yeah, that's when Robert came in. You haven't been actually a Council
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member? Yeah I member? Yeah I
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was a Coun- I was a  Deputy Council Chair person and my Uncle Bobby was the Chairman was a Coun- I was a  Deputy Council Chair person and my Uncle Bobby was the Chairman
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Aha. Mmm. Not since Aha. Mmm. Not since
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then? '85 I think it was. Yeah. And you haven't been then? '85 I think it was. Yeah. And you haven't been
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involved in that since then or. No. No. Enough on your hands. involved in that since then or. No. No. Enough on your hands.
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It's too much responsibility being the Council and, you know, like the Shire clerks. It's too much responsibility being the Council and, you know, like the Shire clerks.
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Yeah. And um, [they only working..?] Yeah. And um, [they only working..?]
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that was in '92 [I think was the Shire clerk..?] that was in '92 [I think was the Shire clerk..?]
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Yeah, '92, '93 Ah, thought I'd had enough. Yeah, '92, '93 Ah, thought I'd had enough.
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Most of it came about when George Most of it came about when George
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was the Chair person. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Was he pretty good or? Yeah, he was a pretty good was the Chair person. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Was he pretty good or? Yeah, he was a pretty good
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Yeah. And now Agnes is? And now Agnes is the yes [she'd doing quite well...?] Yeah. And now Agnes is? And now Agnes is the yes [she'd doing quite well...?]
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That's good. That's good.
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And this place don't look the same as it was then. No [laugh]. Yeah, a lot of them And this place don't look the same as it was then. No [laugh]. Yeah, a lot of them
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[...?] thank George for the [...?] thank George for the
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the bloody fixed them roads though - streets. the bloody fixed them roads though - streets.
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The which? The sealed, you know the bitumen. Ah, the sealed roads. yeah. He kept putting that through. He really The which? The sealed, you know the bitumen. Ah, the sealed roads. yeah. He kept putting that through. He really
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put his mind to that one. Mmm, get rid of the dust problem. put his mind to that one. Mmm, get rid of the dust problem.
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Since I moved up here when I was I was living in Mt Isa I thought I had the Since I moved up here when I was I was living in Mt Isa I thought I had the
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asthma when I moved back here, the asthma and then I never had that in Mt Isa asthma when I moved back here, the asthma and then I never had that in Mt Isa
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Yeah and the... Kids? Yeah. living Yeah and the... Kids? Yeah. living
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too much dust, yeah. Okay, well thank you Ailsa, very much. too much dust, yeah. Okay, well thank you Ailsa, very much.
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What was. I think it was his he was a I think he was a [I think he was an old...?] What was. I think it was his he was a I think he was a [I think he was an old...?]
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he as the old [...?] And what he came and took records or?. He had records, you know, he as the old [...?] And what he came and took records or?. He had records, you know,
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and I think [...?] and I think [...?]
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 moved down here. He was the, they gave him all that stuff and somehow he got 'em he got thumbprint  moved down here. He was the, they gave him all that stuff and somehow he got 'em he got thumbprint
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[...?] [...?]
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and her Dad and Mother. Um, and her Dad and Mother. Um,
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His wife and his kids and all this. Oh, I see all the family records. Yeah. Oh His wife and his kids and all this. Oh, I see all the family records. Yeah. Oh
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That's good. And, um, [...?] she was Dolly Hislop at that time. Oh was she. Yeah. That's good. And, um, [...?] she was Dolly Hislop at that time. Oh was she. Yeah.
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The Hislops at Whyalla? Must be. [we've got those cards. I don't know if they're still in here...?] The Hislops at Whyalla? Must be. [we've got those cards. I don't know if they're still in here...?]
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Hmm. Oh, They've got thumbprints on it. You know, the thumbprints. Yeah. Hmm. Oh, They've got thumbprints on it. You know, the thumbprints. Yeah.
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['Cause they couldn't sign...?]. Right? ['Cause they couldn't sign...?]. Right?
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They just put there finger, you know, thumbprints on them. Oh, I should have done that. [laughs] Some of the old people They just put there finger, you know, thumbprints on them. Oh, I should have done that. [laughs] Some of the old people
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can't sign these I should have. Oh. taken a [...?] I didn't think of that.[laughs] yeah, all them can't sign these I should have. Oh. taken a [...?] I didn't think of that.[laughs] yeah, all them
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I'll find out where they are and I'll show you, I'll give you a call and I'll show you. Alright, yeah that would be interesting. Yeah. I'll find out where they are and I'll show you, I'll give you a call and I'll show you. Alright, yeah that would be interesting. Yeah.
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All those, um, like All those, um, like
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Charlie Kelly, [...?] and her, his mother Charlie Kelly, [...?] and her, his mother
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and his father and [...?] old Harry Shipton's mum. Yeah. and his father and [...?] old Harry Shipton's mum. Yeah.
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and was on there and Ida. Harry and Ida's mum. Yeah and was on there and Ida. Harry and Ida's mum. Yeah
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and [...?] got there. Like my grand and [...?] got there. Like my grand
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[...?]. yeah. Police Sergeant must have kept track of when. He must have kept them yeah [...?]. yeah. Police Sergeant must have kept track of when. He must have kept them yeah
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Some of their dates of birth was on there. Oh, yeah. Some of the dates and some where just Some of their dates of birth was on there. Oh, yeah. Some of the dates and some where just
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the year, you know. Yeah. mmm. the year, you know. Yeah. mmm.
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So. So.