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Interviewing Henry Walker at Warbiter Creek on the 6th July 1995 . Interviewing Henry Walker at Warbiter Creek on the 6th July 1995 .
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Henry could you tell me your full name. [Henry] My Aboriginal way Henry could you tell me your full name. [Henry] My Aboriginal way
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what both if possible. what both if possible.
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They call me [Jangar]. [Camilla] Jangar [Henry] Yeah Jangar [Camilla] And what does that mean? They call me [Jangar]. [Camilla] Jangar [Henry] Yeah Jangar [Camilla] And what does that mean?
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That tribal row.. way [Camilla] Uhuh doesn't have a specific That tribal row.. way [Camilla] Uhuh doesn't have a specific
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meaning. [Henry] No [Camilla] No   your English name? [Henry] Henry Walker yeah [Camilla] And do you know when you were born?  meaning. [Henry] No [Camilla] No   your English name? [Henry] Henry Walker yeah [Camilla] And do you know when you were born? 
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No. [Camilla] No. I checked the clinic. I think they said the 1st of No. [Camilla] No. I checked the clinic. I think they said the 1st of
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July 1941. Was it July? [Camilla laughs[Henry] Yeah yeah July 1941. Was it July? [Camilla laughs[Henry] Yeah yeah
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I asked Eileen. She doesn't.. You don't celebrate you birthdays? [Henry] No I asked Eileen. She doesn't.. You don't celebrate you birthdays? [Henry] No
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 where were you born? [Henry] Rossville [Camilla] And your mother's name?  where were you born? [Henry] Rossville [Camilla] And your mother's name?
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It was Clare Aspider. [Henry] Yea It was Clare Aspider. [Henry] Yea
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Clare Aspider. [Camilla] And um your father's name? [Henry] Johnny Johnny Walker [Camilla] He had a  Clare Aspider. [Camilla] And um your father's name? [Henry] Johnny Johnny Walker [Camilla] He had a 
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 an Aboriginal name. [Henry] Yeah they call him [Kulvah]   an Aboriginal name. [Henry] Yeah they call him [Kulvah] 
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[Camilla] Kulvah [Henry] Kulvah Yeah [Camilla] Did that mean anything? [Henry] yeah tall [Camilla] Tall one. Tall fellow yeah [Henry] yeah yeah [laughs]  [Camilla] Kulvah [Henry] Kulvah Yeah [Camilla] Did that mean anything? [Henry] yeah tall [Camilla] Tall one. Tall fellow yeah [Henry] yeah yeah [laughs] 
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And how did he get the name Johnny Walker? [Henry] Well he And how did he get the name Johnny Walker? [Henry] Well he
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Working for one. Workbook. Yes we can join you with Working for one. Workbook. Yes we can join you with
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[Camilla] after the drink or [Henry laughs] After the fellow [Henry] Yeah after the fellow. [Camilla] You don't know his name? [Henry] No no  [Camilla] after the drink or [Henry laughs] After the fellow [Henry] Yeah after the fellow. [Camilla] You don't know his name? [Henry] No no 
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No [Camilla laughs] And he was born in Rossville? [Henry] No Shipton's Flat [Camilla] Shipton's  No [Camilla laughs] And he was born in Rossville? [Henry] No Shipton's Flat [Camilla] Shipton's 
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Flat? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And his parents um your grandparents... Yarry? [Henry] Yeah Flat? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And his parents um your grandparents... Yarry? [Henry] Yeah
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[Camilla] So that's Harry Shipton's mum too. [Henry] Mum yeah  [Camilla] So that's Harry Shipton's mum too. [Henry] Mum yeah 
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She was at the original Bloomfield mission here? [Henry] yeah Yarry [Camilla] Yarry [Henry] yeah. She was at the original Bloomfield mission here? [Henry] yeah Yarry [Camilla] Yarry [Henry] yeah.
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..[..] Hatton might run ..[..] Hatton might run
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Djajigul [Camilla] Is that where she lived? Yeah [Henry] Djajigul... born there [Camilla] Oh she was born there  Djajigul [Camilla] Is that where she lived? Yeah [Henry] Djajigul... born there [Camilla] Oh she was born there 
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oh yeah but early on they had a Mission up here  oh yeah but early on they had a Mission up here 
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 where Wujal is now, the early mission. [Henry..yeah] She apparently went there   where Wujal is now, the early mission. [Henry..yeah] She apparently went there 
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 before it closed down [Henry] yeah   before it closed down [Henry] yeah 
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 they were taken off to Yarabah? [truck noise] [Henry]  Yeah they were taken  they were taken off to Yarabah? [truck noise] [Henry]  Yeah they were taken
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Yep but your grandmother got away though [Henry] Yeah [Camilla laughs] came back Yep but your grandmother got away though [Henry] Yeah [Camilla laughs] came back
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Came back? [Henry] yeah came back. My grandma's dad [opal .mining..] [Camilla] Yeah Came back? [Henry] yeah came back. My grandma's dad [opal .mining..] [Camilla] Yeah
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And Johnny's dad he was And Johnny's dad he was
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a white fellow [Henry] Yeah. [Camilla] An Irish tin miner. Do you know his name? [Henry] Irish yeah. No no a white fellow [Henry] Yeah. [Camilla] An Irish tin miner. Do you know his name? [Henry] Irish yeah. No no
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 Callaghan I think that's what Chris Anderson wrote [Henry] Oh yeah [Camilla] That was his name but   Callaghan I think that's what Chris Anderson wrote [Henry] Oh yeah [Camilla] That was his name but 
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[Yarry ]who did she live with? [Yarry ]who did she live with?
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And they lived at Shipton's Flat and they had to hide him in the bush did they your dad?  And they lived at Shipton's Flat and they had to hide him in the bush did they your dad? 
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 Yeah used to when the Policeman come used to you take him away  Yeah used to when the Policeman come used to you take him away
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 so they wouldn't find him. [Henry] find him yeah  [Camilla] take him off to.  so they wouldn't find him. [Henry] find him yeah  [Camilla] take him off to.
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To Poverty, uh Romeo To Poverty, uh Romeo
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and Rossbrook. Keep him..send him around. [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Yeah [laughs] and Rossbrook. Keep him..send him around. [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Yeah [laughs]
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He had a job in Shipton's Flat.. my dad [Camilla]  yeah and he worked for? [Henry] [Hartwig] He had a job in Shipton's Flat.. my dad [Camilla]  yeah and he worked for? [Henry] [Hartwig]
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[he used to..] butcher. [Camilla] And Frank Sykes too after that? [Henry] Yeah yeah Frank Sykes  [he used to..] butcher. [Camilla] And Frank Sykes too after that? [Henry] Yeah yeah Frank Sykes 
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Leffy yeah Leffy yeah
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yeah [Henry] Used to work for him. [Camilla] At Poverty? [Henry] Yeah. yeah [Henry] Used to work for him. [Camilla] At Poverty? [Henry] Yeah.
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[Were] Harry [Were]. [Camilla] Harry? [Henry] Harold [Were] Harry [Were]. [Camilla] Harry? [Henry] Harold
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Were. [Camilla] Oh yeah. Where was he? Were. [Camilla] Oh yeah. Where was he?
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In Cooktown. Harold. Too old now. [Camilla] In Cooktown now but where was he then?  In Cooktown. Harold. Too old now. [Camilla] In Cooktown now but where was he then? 
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Shipton's Flat. [Camilla] Shipton's Flat. [Henry] yeah. [Camilla] And also he worked at Shipton's Flat. [Camilla] Shipton's Flat. [Henry] yeah. [Camilla] And also he worked at
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Rossville for Geitmann [Henry] Yeah. And old Wally Sigamore Rossville for Geitmann [Henry] Yeah. And old Wally Sigamore
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Rossville took my dad. [Camilla] He was at... Wally Sigamore was at Rossville. [Henry] Yeah Rossville took my dad. [Camilla] He was at... Wally Sigamore was at Rossville. [Henry] Yeah
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The Sigamores was.. were at Shipton's Flat too? [Henry] No only at Rossville [Camilla] Oh 'cause The Sigamores was.. were at Shipton's Flat too? [Henry] No only at Rossville [Camilla] Oh 'cause
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there's Sigamores there's Sigamores
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Pocket.  [Henry] Yeah yeah yeah yeah [Camilla] Who lived there? [Henry] That same bloke Pocket.  [Henry] Yeah yeah yeah yeah [Camilla] Who lived there? [Henry] That same bloke
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[Camilla] Oh yeah. It was named after him. What he just mined there for a short while. [Henry] Yeah. Came to Rossville [Camilla] Oh yeah. It was named after him. What he just mined there for a short while. [Henry] Yeah. Came to Rossville
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in in
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mining [.dad did..] [Camilla] Oh yeah. Larry Silko. Heard that name? [Henry] Yeah he used to drive mining [.dad did..] [Camilla] Oh yeah. Larry Silko. Heard that name? [Henry] Yeah he used to drive
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 a timber truck [Camilla] Oh did he? [Henry] Yeah from China...uh Shipton's Flat   a timber truck [Camilla] Oh did he? [Henry] Yeah from China...uh Shipton's Flat 
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 Seagram too. He was involved with that. [Henry] Yeah all of the.  Seagram too. He was involved with that. [Henry] Yeah all of the.
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 Did your dad ever work at the Mill. At the timber Mill? [Henry] Yeah Shipton's Flat [Camilla] Yeah  Did your dad ever work at the Mill. At the timber Mill? [Henry] Yeah Shipton's Flat [Camilla] Yeah
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Who stayed at the Mill? [Henry] Oh John Robert  Who stayed at the Mill? [Henry] Oh John Robert 
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Do you remember growing up there? [Henry] Shipton's Flat. No I grew up in Rossville [Camilla] Yeah. In Rossville and Doreen  Do you remember growing up there? [Henry] Shipton's Flat. No I grew up in Rossville [Camilla] Yeah. In Rossville and Doreen 
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where was she born? [Henry] Cedar Bay yeah [Camilla] Cedar Bay. What you would move down to Cedar Bay where was she born? [Henry] Cedar Bay yeah [Camilla] Cedar Bay. What you would move down to Cedar Bay
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No... my mum run away with another one. [Camilla] Oh I see No... my mum run away with another one. [Camilla] Oh I see
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Yeah. [Camilla] Oh...and they went down...[Henry] Went.. Cedar Bay [Camilla] Uhuh Yeah. [Camilla] Oh...and they went down...[Henry] Went.. Cedar Bay [Camilla] Uhuh
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And you stayed with your father? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] and  Doreen [Henry..mum] she was taken to  And you stayed with your father? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] and  Doreen [Henry..mum] she was taken to 
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 the Daintree Mission. [Henry] Yeah Daintree Mission. She stayed at the Daintree Mission. [Camila] And she was left there. [Henry] yeah   the Daintree Mission. [Henry] Yeah Daintree Mission. She stayed at the Daintree Mission. [Camila] And she was left there. [Henry] yeah 
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 yeah. And then she came back up later on didn't she. [Henry] Yeah I went down to pick them up. Yeah  yeah. And then she came back up later on didn't she. [Henry] Yeah I went down to pick them up. Yeah
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Did you. Ah. How did you find that? [Henry] My dad used to tell me. You got a sister  Did you. Ah. How did you find that? [Henry] My dad used to tell me. You got a sister 
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 I tell him I got no sister no mum. [Camilla..yeah] And you my mum. I call dad mum  I tell him I got no sister no mum. [Camilla..yeah] And you my mum. I call dad mum
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Did you? [Camilla laughs] [Henry laughs] Yeah Dad tell me you got your mother and sister  Did you? [Camilla laughs] [Henry laughs] Yeah Dad tell me you got your mother and sister 
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 So when did you meet up with them again? [Henry] I come down here didn't [meet]  So when did you meet up with them again? [Henry] I come down here didn't [meet]
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oh I would have come to school down here. [Camilla] But you lived up.. in Rossville until you came oh I would have come to school down here. [Camilla] But you lived up.. in Rossville until you came
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 down to Bloomfield to School. [Henry] Yeah my dad prett  down to Bloomfield to School. [Henry] Yeah my dad prett
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[native language] [native language]
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Frances' mummy. [Camilla] Right. Ivy Yeary . [Henry] Yeah. hhm Frances' mummy. [Camilla] Right. Ivy Yeary . [Henry] Yeah. hhm
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Um but before that he married your mum's sister. Is that right? Charlotte? Um but before that he married your mum's sister. Is that right? Charlotte?
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[Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] And uh...[Henry] Nuh ...My mum left him..[while he did..] [Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] And uh...[Henry] Nuh ...My mum left him..[while he did..]
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huh huh And that's when she lived in Rossville too. [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And she had a few children to your huh huh And that's when she lived in Rossville too. [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And she had a few children to your
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 dad [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] what were their names? [Henry] Annie Lily  dad [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] what were their names? [Henry] Annie Lily
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And uh Allan's at Hopevale now isn't he?  [Henry] Yeah Johnny at Hopevale. [Camilla..yeah] Annie And uh Allan's at Hopevale now isn't he?  [Henry] Yeah Johnny at Hopevale. [Camilla..yeah] Annie
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 3 are up Hopevale and 1 [Henry] Lily up there. [Camilla] yeah and your...and Charlotte died. [Henry] Yeah  3 are up Hopevale and 1 [Henry] Lily up there. [Camilla] yeah and your...and Charlotte died. [Henry] Yeah
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[Henry] Cooktown [Camilla] Cooktown. What happened? [Henry] Pregnant with Allan [Henry] Cooktown [Camilla] Cooktown. What happened? [Henry] Pregnant with Allan
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And uh what she died in childhood? [Henry] Yeah. And uh what she died in childhood? [Henry] Yeah.
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Cooktown hospital? [Henry] At the Camp. [Camilla] At the Camp... outside Cooktown. [Henry] Yeah  Cooktown hospital? [Henry] At the Camp. [Camilla] At the Camp... outside Cooktown. [Henry] Yeah 
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 Reserve. She ran away from Hospital and came up to reserve  Reserve. She ran away from Hospital and came up to reserve
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Came one night. Hospital Came one night. Hospital
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 After Alan was born or...[Henry] No [Camilla] He was born on the reserve not in the Hospital [Henry] Yeah No  After Alan was born or...[Henry] No [Camilla] He was born on the reserve not in the Hospital [Henry] Yeah No
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 And then he was adopted out to the Wallaces. [Henry] Wallace [Camilla] yeah [child in background] hhm [laughs]   And then he was adopted out to the Wallaces. [Henry] Wallace [Camilla] yeah [child in background] hhm [laughs] 
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Been running up the Mount Tableland. [Better for me] [Camilla] Big Tableland? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Norman Morgan Been running up the Mount Tableland. [Better for me] [Camilla] Big Tableland? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Norman Morgan
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Yeah he used to work for him. [Camilla] And where were you then? Who looked after you? [Henry] I was with dad Yeah he used to work for him. [Camilla] And where were you then? Who looked after you? [Henry] I was with dad
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You were working with him? [Henry] Yeah I was that small then [Camilla[ Oh really. Just a young fella  You were working with him? [Henry] Yeah I was that small then [Camilla[ Oh really. Just a young fella 
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[both laugh] [Camilla] And the other kids where were they? [Henry] They Cooktown [both laugh] [Camilla] And the other kids where were they? [Henry] They Cooktown
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 staying with my Uncle called  Norman. Norman Monday [Camilla] Norman Monday. Ah.  staying with my Uncle called  Norman. Norman Monday [Camilla] Norman Monday. Ah.
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Did she look after them Ruby Friday? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Where? Out at Shipton's Flat or? [Henry] Cooktown  Did she look after them Ruby Friday? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Where? Out at Shipton's Flat or? [Henry] Cooktown 
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Shipton's Flat..we used to go to Shipton's Flat Shipton's Flat..we used to go to Shipton's Flat
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[both laugh] [Camilla] It's a long walk isn't it. [Henry] It's a long walk yeah. [Camilla] Yeah and how long were you on the [both laugh] [Camilla] It's a long walk isn't it. [Henry] It's a long walk yeah. [Camilla] Yeah and how long were you on the
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 tableland for? [Henry] Oh for two years. My dad been working 2 years.   tableland for? [Henry] Oh for two years. My dad been working 2 years. 
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And what kind of things was he doing? [Henry] Oh tin mining. And what kind of things was he doing? [Henry] Oh tin mining.
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No Lots of different things. [Henry] Mostly only tin. [Camilla]Shovelling..[Henry] Shovelling the tin. Cleaning it No Lots of different things. [Henry] Mostly only tin. [Camilla]Shovelling..[Henry] Shovelling the tin. Cleaning it
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Clean it out yeah. And What did you do? [Henry] I used to play around [laughs] [Camilla] Play around and help him [laughs] sometimes Clean it out yeah. And What did you do? [Henry] I used to play around [laughs] [Camilla] Play around and help him [laughs] sometimes
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maybe. [Henry] Yeah sometimes [laughs] [Camilla] You were the only one with him? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] yeah. maybe. [Henry] Yeah sometimes [laughs] [Camilla] You were the only one with him? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] yeah.
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And then you moved back to Rossville again. [Henry]  yeah [Camilla] You lived where Sandra McAllister [Henry] No straight down from Sandra that's And then you moved back to Rossville again. [Henry]  yeah [Camilla] You lived where Sandra McAllister [Henry] No straight down from Sandra that's
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it. [Camilla] Down further. There's an old hut there. [Henry] Old hut yeah it. [Camilla] Down further. There's an old hut there. [Henry] Old hut yeah
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[laughs] [Camilla] Yeah. She has a picture of it at her place. A painting of it. [Henry] Yeah [laughs] [Camilla] Yeah. She has a picture of it at her place. A painting of it. [Henry] Yeah
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Hmm. Oh. So when you went you came down Hmm. Oh. So when you went you came down
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 here. Your dad moved down here so that  here. Your dad moved down here so that
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 you could go to school [Henry]  yeah [Camilla] Was he the only child he brought down here? [Henry] Yeah. No. Lily Lily  you could go to school [Henry]  yeah [Camilla] Was he the only child he brought down here? [Henry] Yeah. No. Lily Lily
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Annie Johnny. [Camilla] They all came down here too? [Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] Yeah Annie Johnny. [Camilla] They all came down here too? [Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] Yeah
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Did he already know your mother or? [Henry] no no [Camilla] no. He met her down here Did he already know your mother or? [Henry] no no [Camilla] no. He met her down here
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 and you used to live at Degarra down... across the Wubada from... [Henry] Yeah    and you used to live at Degarra down... across the Wubada from... [Henry] Yeah  
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...the Camp there. You had a different spot. [Henry] Yeah. Different ...the Camp there. You had a different spot. [Henry] Yeah. Different
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 Why was that? [Henry] Well my father used to stay up Rossville by himself   Why was that? [Henry] Well my father used to stay up Rossville by himself 
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 Ah. [Henry] (That's so he can't) with the mob. You gotta .... [Camilla] Couldn't  Ah. [Henry] (That's so he can't) with the mob. You gotta .... [Camilla] Couldn't
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 move in with the mob. Oh I see because what he was not not? [Henry] Not used to it   move in with the mob. Oh I see because what he was not not? [Henry] Not used to it 
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Oh I see he liked to live on his own separately. [Henry] separately yeah. [laughs] [Camilla] Ah [Henry laughs] Oh I see he liked to live on his own separately. [Henry] separately yeah. [laughs] [Camilla] Ah [Henry laughs]
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Kuku Nyungal people went to Judjegal [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] But he Kuku Nyungal people went to Judjegal [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] But he
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 why did he choose to go to Thompson Creek? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] What no reason   why did he choose to go to Thompson Creek? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] What no reason 
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or [Henry] no no [laughs]. [Camilla] No or [Henry] no no [laughs]. [Camilla] No
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Just did. And did he work down here at Bloomfield? [Henry] Hhm yeah [Camilla] Where did he...? [Henry] Sawmill  Just did. And did he work down here at Bloomfield? [Henry] Hhm yeah [Camilla] Where did he...? [Henry] Sawmill 
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[Camilla] yeah [Henry] yeah. [Camilla] And who was there then? [Henry] Oh [Camilla] yeah [Henry] yeah. [Camilla] And who was there then? [Henry] Oh
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Olufson. [Camilla] hhm Olufson. [Camilla] hhm
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Big mob been workin' there. Old Jack Doboy, [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Used to work there too Big mob been workin' there. Old Jack Doboy, [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Used to work there too
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Yeah. Jack Harrigan. [Henry] Jack Harrigan. Yeah when I grew up Yeah. Jack Harrigan. [Henry] Jack Harrigan. Yeah when I grew up
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I left school I worked the sawmill. [Camilla] So which school did you go to? The one at the Mill? I left school I worked the sawmill. [Camilla] So which school did you go to? The one at the Mill?
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[Henry] yeah [Camilla] the house the old house there. [henry] Yeah that's it. [Camilla] yeah. It's pulled down now  [Henry] yeah [Camilla] the house the old house there. [henry] Yeah that's it. [Camilla] yeah. It's pulled down now 
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yeah pulled down now. [Camilla] And that's where you met Eileen. Were you still yeah pulled down now. [Camilla] And that's where you met Eileen. Were you still
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 young going to school there or? [Henry] yeah yeah. [Camilla] Who else went with you?  young going to school there or? [Henry] yeah yeah. [Camilla] Who else went with you?
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Eileen...(....) Eileen...(....)
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Hhm. [Henry]  Bobby ..[Camilla] Fisher? Hhm. [Henry]  Bobby ..[Camilla] Fisher?
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[And Mr McLean was your teacher]  [Henry] yeah [And Mr McLean was your teacher]  [Henry] yeah
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Yeah. [Camilla] How did you like going to school. [Henry] Alright Yeah. [Camilla] How did you like going to school. [Henry] Alright
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Would you prefer to be out doing something else. [Henry] [laughs] [Camilla laughs] Would you prefer to be out doing something else. [Henry] [laughs] [Camilla laughs]
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Half a year. Didn't go back to school. [Camilla] No. [Henry No] Didn't like Half a year. Didn't go back to school. [Camilla] No. [Henry No] Didn't like
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 it. [Camilla] But you learned to speak English. [Henry] No [Camilla] Where  it. [Camilla] But you learned to speak English. [Henry] No [Camilla] Where
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 Rossville I used to.  Rossville I used to.
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You lived there before you went to school that was. [Henry] yeah [Camilla] So you already knew some English You lived there before you went to school that was. [Henry] yeah [Camilla] So you already knew some English
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 They didn't teach you...[Henry] No [Camilla] Kuku Yalanji then? [Henry] Yeah. Kuku Yalanji all the way   They didn't teach you...[Henry] No [Camilla] Kuku Yalanji then? [Henry] Yeah. Kuku Yalanji all the way 
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yeah yeah
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[Henry laughs] [Camilla] Not at school though. [Henry] No no [Camilla] Only English [Henry] English Yeah  [Henry laughs] [Camilla] Not at school though. [Henry] No no [Camilla] Only English [Henry] English Yeah 
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 But these days well Kuku come in there. [Camilla] That's right. After Hank and Ruth  But these days well Kuku come in there. [Camilla] That's right. After Hank and Ruth
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Yeah. [Camilla]  Wrote the language down yeah. [Henry coughs] Yeah. [Camilla]  Wrote the language down yeah. [Henry coughs]
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Do you remember spending much time in Shipton's Flat? With your dad? [Henry] Yeah hhm [Camilla] Yeah. Did you stay where? At the Camp there?  Do you remember spending much time in Shipton's Flat? With your dad? [Henry] Yeah hhm [Camilla] Yeah. Did you stay where? At the Camp there? 
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 Yeah used to go up there Camp two days  Yeah used to go up there Camp two days
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and come back again. Yep. Come back to Rossville.  and come back again. Yep. Come back to Rossville. 
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 To go hunting? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah and what would you get? [Henry] Pig oh fish  To go hunting? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah and what would you get? [Henry] Pig oh fish
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porcupine [coughs] wallaby [Camilla] Yeah. Any tree climbers? [Henry] Yeah porcupine [coughs] wallaby [Camilla] Yeah. Any tree climbers? [Henry] Yeah
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 climbing kangaroo  climbing kangaroo
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[spear]. Yeah. [Camilla] Did you? Have to be pretty quick wouldn't you. Yeah. Tree climber too?  [spear]. Yeah. [Camilla] Did you? Have to be pretty quick wouldn't you. Yeah. Tree climber too? 
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spear him? [Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] And your dad taught you how to make the spears? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Are they similar to the spear him? [Henry] Yeah yeah [Camilla] And your dad taught you how to make the spears? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Are they similar to the
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 black palm ones you're making. Yeah. Is that what he used? [Henry] Yeah..hhm [Camilla] And  black palm ones you're making. Yeah. Is that what he used? [Henry] Yeah..hhm [Camilla] And
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the end? Did he just sharpen it or did he put...[Henry] Yeah. Just sharpen  the end? Did he just sharpen it or did he put...[Henry] Yeah. Just sharpen 
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Just sharpened it. [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Doesn't actually attach anything on? [Henry] No [Camilla] No Ah Just sharpened it. [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Doesn't actually attach anything on? [Henry] No [Camilla] No Ah
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[Henry laughs] Well that I'll show you.. this way [Henry laughs] Well that I'll show you.. this way
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 So you actually carve the end of the spear [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] into sort of like a barb [Henry] Hhm   So you actually carve the end of the spear [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] into sort of like a barb [Henry] Hhm 
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The wood itself and this other one it's not carved. Why is that? [Henry] Well thats The wood itself and this other one it's not carved. Why is that? [Henry] Well thats
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you spear people fish  you spear people fish 
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With this one. [Henry] That for fighting [Camilla] What? People? [Henry laughs] Yeah [Camilla laughs] Yeah [Henry laughs] With this one. [Henry] That for fighting [Camilla] What? People? [Henry laughs] Yeah [Camilla laughs] Yeah [Henry laughs]
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[Henry coughs] [Camilla] You ever used those? [Henry] No [Camilla] Your dad? [Henry coughs] [Camilla] You ever used those? [Henry] No [Camilla] Your dad?
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Yeah he was my great great  grandfather. [Camilla] And who was he? Do you know? [Henry] Spider. Spider King Yeah he was my great great  grandfather. [Camilla] And who was he? Do you know? [Henry] Spider. Spider King
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Aha. [Henry] Georgie King. [Camilla] That was your mum's [Henry] father [Camilla] Father.. grandparents Aha. [Henry] Georgie King. [Camilla] That was your mum's [Henry] father [Camilla] Father.. grandparents
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He used to make them kind. [Camilla] And where did he live? [Henry] Here? [Camilla] Degarra. Hhm. Yeah He used to make them kind. [Camilla] And where did he live? [Henry] Here? [Camilla] Degarra. Hhm. Yeah
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 The tree climbers you'd spear too? [Henry] Yeah yeah with this one. [Camilla] With the pig spear  The tree climbers you'd spear too? [Henry] Yeah yeah with this one. [Camilla] With the pig spear
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 hhm ..the one without the barbs [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Argh  hhm ..the one without the barbs [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Argh
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Your father tell you many stories from his growing up at Shipton's Flat. [Henry] yeah mm [Camilla] How life used to be?  Your father tell you many stories from his growing up at Shipton's Flat. [Henry] yeah mm [Camilla] How life used to be? 
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Did he talk about the sort of tribal Did he talk about the sort of tribal
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 law. [Henry] Law yeah he used to talk about hunting. Used to talk  law. [Henry] Law yeah he used to talk about hunting. Used to talk
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and... [Camilla] When people did something wrong the elders would get together? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] and that's when they'd use.. [Henry] this one here and... [Camilla] When people did something wrong the elders would get together? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] and that's when they'd use.. [Henry] this one here
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[Camilla] ... use the spear [Henry laughs] yeah [Camilla laughs] In front of everybody? [Henry] yeah  [Camilla] ... use the spear [Henry laughs] yeah [Camilla laughs] In front of everybody? [Henry] yeah 
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[both laugh] Or if someone went off with the wrong  [both laugh] Or if someone went off with the wrong 
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 person to be married. [Henry] Married or whatever  person to be married. [Henry] Married or whatever
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 Like I did. She married to a fella and promised to one old fella   Like I did. She married to a fella and promised to one old fella 
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And if they....but if they didn't go with that person  And if they....but if they didn't go with that person 
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[Henry] yeah. This one here. [laughs] [Camilla] They use that spear. Go after them [laughs] [Henry] yeah. This one here. [laughs] [Camilla] They use that spear. Go after them [laughs]
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 Johnny tell you about when boys grew up and they came  Johnny tell you about when boys grew up and they came
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 of age that they had special ceremony to knock their tooth out? [Henry] Yeah  of age that they had special ceremony to knock their tooth out? [Henry] Yeah
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 Yeah mm. [Camilla] did that happen to him? [Henry] no no [Camilla] Well not in his day. His father maybe?  Yeah mm. [Camilla] did that happen to him? [Henry] no no [Camilla] Well not in his day. His father maybe?
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No No
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Oh no not his father but his grandfather. [laughs] [Henry] Yeah his grandfather Oh no not his father but his grandfather. [laughs] [Henry] Yeah his grandfather
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Yeah. Yeah. Used to put a stick through here too. [Camilla] A stick through their nose. [Henry] Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Used to put a stick through here too. [Camilla] A stick through their nose. [Henry] Yeah
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Arh and that meant what that they were...[Henry] The... King. [Camilla] The King had Arh and that meant what that they were...[Henry] The... King. [Camilla] The King had
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 the stick through [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Was that [Blujah] King [Henry] Blujah Yeah [Camilla] He had one of those. He was your great grandfather [Henry] Yeah mmm  the stick through [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Was that [Blujah] King [Henry] Blujah Yeah [Camilla] He had one of those. He was your great grandfather [Henry] Yeah mmm
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 Yeah you remember seeing him? [Henry] No [Camilla] No. He was dead? [Henry] Yeah. Arh. My dad used to  Yeah you remember seeing him? [Henry] No [Camilla] No. He was dead? [Henry] Yeah. Arh. My dad used to
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tell me story you know. [Camilla] Right Yeah. Oh. tell me story you know. [Camilla] Right Yeah. Oh.
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Boys couldn't eat Boys couldn't eat
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 until they had their tooth knocked out. Was there anything they weren't supposed to eat?  until they had their tooth knocked out. Was there anything they weren't supposed to eat?
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Yeah sugar bag. [Camilla] Sugar bag Yeah sugar bag. [Camilla] Sugar bag
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Up main scrub the biggest Up main scrub the biggest
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too big only size like this see. But he brown [Camilla] Couple of inches too big only size like this see. But he brown [Camilla] Couple of inches
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brown colour brown colour
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 Cherry? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And you who wasn't supposed to eat that?   Cherry? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And you who wasn't supposed to eat that? 
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Ah young fella. [Camilla] Young fellow. Yeah. It was alright when they were older [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah Ah young fella. [Camilla] Young fellow. Yeah. It was alright when they were older [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah
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 and any other foods? [Henry] Uh  and any other foods? [Henry] Uh
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With any stories from the dream time that your father passed on to you from his childhood like special With any stories from the dream time that your father passed on to you from his childhood like special
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 places at Shipton's Flat. [Henry] Yeah hhm  places at Shipton's Flat. [Henry] Yeah hhm
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Shipton's Flat wild Shipton's Flat wild
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dingo. [Camilla] Wild dingo ah [Henry] Yeah. By the big Falls there dingo. [Camilla] Wild dingo ah [Henry] Yeah. By the big Falls there
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Falls where's the Falls? [Henry] Shipton's Flat. [Camella] From which creek though? Falls where's the Falls? [Henry] Shipton's Flat. [Camella] From which creek though?
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What do you call it? [Henry] Where John Roberts standing [Camilla] Jack yeah or his family [Henry] Yeah. Well That's where  What do you call it? [Henry] Where John Roberts standing [Camilla] Jack yeah or his family [Henry] Yeah. Well That's where 
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the Creek now where you come [Camilla] Parrot Creek [Henry] Come further up in the mountain there. [Camilla] Mount Finnegan the Creek now where you come [Camilla] Parrot Creek [Henry] Come further up in the mountain there. [Camilla] Mount Finnegan
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 Do you know the story of the dingo? What was the story? [Henry] Well the story  Do you know the story of the dingo? What was the story? [Henry] Well the story
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Aboriginal Aboriginal
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 You can..do you know [Henry] Um   You can..do you know [Henry] Um 
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 Is it a men's story? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] you can tell a man but not a woman [Henry] Yeah   Is it a men's story? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] you can tell a man but not a woman [Henry] Yeah 
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I see. And can a woman tell a woman? [Henry laughs] Yeah mm [Camilla] Right I see. And can a woman tell a woman? [Henry laughs] Yeah mm [Camilla] Right
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laughs laughs
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 Up at Jubilee there's supposed to be a foot print in the  Up at Jubilee there's supposed to be a foot print in the
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rock have you heard of that? [Henry] Yeah rock have you heard of that? [Henry] Yeah
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Do you know ..is there a story about that? [Henry] Yes. There is two Do you know ..is there a story about that? [Henry] Yes. There is two
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[sister up here...]. [Camilla] And what is the [sister up here...]. [Camilla] And what is the
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 the story [Henry] Well that footprint he went from there   the story [Henry] Well that footprint he went from there 
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Cape Trib there. One of them (makin' spear dis).. [Camilla] There's another footprint Cape Trib there. One of them (makin' spear dis).. [Camilla] There's another footprint
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 down here at  Emmagen. [Henry] Emmagen yeah [Camilla] Are they meant to be the same sister or..[Henry] Yeah the same  down here at  Emmagen. [Henry] Emmagen yeah [Camilla] Are they meant to be the same sister or..[Henry] Yeah the same
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Them two been.travelling from King's Flat (bits) are Them two been.travelling from King's Flat (bits) are
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yeah this way back this way a bit. [Camilla] Butcher's Hill [Henry] No [Camilla] Oh yeah this way back this way a bit. [Camilla] Butcher's Hill [Henry] No [Camilla] Oh
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King's Plain yeah [Henry] Yeah. You see that big swamp there? [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Them two  King's Plain yeah [Henry] Yeah. You see that big swamp there? [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Them two 
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down there cut through mount Jubilee way. [Camilla] They came through Mount Jubilee? And down..[Henry] Yeah down there cut through mount Jubilee way. [Camilla] They came through Mount Jubilee? And down..[Henry] Yeah
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 down to Emmagen. [Henry] Emmagen...[Camilla] And then? [Henry] well that   down to Emmagen. [Henry] Emmagen...[Camilla] And then? [Henry] well that 
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well I can't  tell that story too. [Camilla] Oh is that a well I can't  tell that story too. [Camilla] Oh is that a
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sacred or sacred or
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[Henry] Yes sacred [Camilla] or not you just can't tell it to a woman [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah. Oh I see okay [Henry] Yes sacred [Camilla] or not you just can't tell it to a woman [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah. Oh I see okay
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[laughs] Um  [laughs] Um 
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 Mount Finnegan? [Henry] yeah there's a story  Mount Finnegan? [Henry] yeah there's a story
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 there too. [Camilla] Yeah. The one about the...[Henry] Yeah. The big (wajiken)] rainbow   there too. [Camilla] Yeah. The one about the...[Henry] Yeah. The big (wajiken)] rainbow 
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 What do you call it?  [Henry] Yurunbul [Camilla] Yurunbul. Does that mean rainbow or [Henry] Yeah  What do you call it?  [Henry] Yurunbul [Camilla] Yurunbul. Does that mean rainbow or [Henry] Yeah
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 or just Story place [Henry]  story yeah [Camilla] Yeah. That's the one that  or just Story place [Henry]  story yeah [Camilla] Yeah. That's the one that
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 doesn't like to be disturbed [Henry] Yeah mm [Camilla] so the people couldn't go   doesn't like to be disturbed [Henry] Yeah mm [Camilla] so the people couldn't go 
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up there [Henry] No no [Camilla] No  up there [Henry] No no [Camilla] No 
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No hunting up there?  [Henry] No [Camilla] No [Henry] Same as like No hunting up there?  [Henry] No [Camilla] No [Henry] Same as like
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at the point there. [Camilla] Yeah. Oh at Fritz Creek. Yeah. [Henry] The story at the point there. [Camilla] Yeah. Oh at Fritz Creek. Yeah. [Henry] The story
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[Camilla] Yeah. I know that one. [laughs] [Henry] Well that story of Shipton's Flat [Camilla] Yeah. I know that one. [laughs] [Henry] Well that story of Shipton's Flat
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made from down there [Camilla] Came down from made from down there [Camilla] Came down from
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Where you staying there. [Camilla] Wyalla? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Well under [Camilla] Under the ground Where you staying there. [Camilla] Wyalla? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] Yeah [Henry] Well under [Camilla] Under the ground
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 Yeah come up Plantation[ Camilla] Plantation or...[Henry] Yeah. That point  Yeah come up Plantation[ Camilla] Plantation or...[Henry] Yeah. That point
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right there [Camilla] Rattlesnake? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Not Cedar Bay? [Henry] No [Camilla] No oh [Henry laughs] right there [Camilla] Rattlesnake? [Henry] yeah [Camilla] Not Cedar Bay? [Henry] No [Camilla] No oh [Henry laughs]
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Rattlesnake Point . [Camilla] Rattlesnake. Oh yeah. So it's a  Rattlesnake Point . [Camilla] Rattlesnake. Oh yeah. So it's a 
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same connected with the one in Fritz Creek. In that Creek [Henry]..yeah [Camilla] in there. Is he supposed to have died there? same connected with the one in Fritz Creek. In that Creek [Henry]..yeah [Camilla] in there. Is he supposed to have died there?
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Yurunbah did he die? [Henry]yeah yeah [Camilla] when he came Yurunbah did he die? [Henry]yeah yeah [Camilla] when he came
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Came down here but he still there. He turn out to snake. Carpet snake  Came down here but he still there. He turn out to snake. Carpet snake 
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Carpet snake [Henry]..yeah [Camilla] Oh I see. [Henry] That carpet snake is still there underground  Carpet snake [Henry]..yeah [Camilla] Oh I see. [Henry] That carpet snake is still there underground 
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He didn't die? [Henry] No [Camilla] Oh [Henry laughs] He didn't die? [Henry] No [Camilla] Oh [Henry laughs]
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The building went wrong. Running a pipe through that water The building went wrong. Running a pipe through that water
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up Shipton's Flat. [Camilla] Running a pipe? [Henry] Yeah irrigation pipe up Shipton's Flat. [Camilla] Running a pipe? [Henry] Yeah irrigation pipe
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 Oh early days you know [Camilla] Oh yeah [Henry] use them for tin mining [Camilla] Right   Oh early days you know [Camilla] Oh yeah [Henry] use them for tin mining [Camilla] Right 
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yeah [Henry] I had one bloke come in with a bit of spike yeah [Henry] I had one bloke come in with a bit of spike
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fell down the waterfall fell down the waterfall
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And what happened? [Henry] Why that bloke went down the  And what happened? [Henry] Why that bloke went down the 
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to get Bama. One old fellow. [Camilla] Old fellow went to get Bama. One old fellow. [Camilla] Old fellow went
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 off. [Henry] He caught him did that old fellow. He tell him you want to dive    off. [Henry] He caught him did that old fellow. He tell him you want to dive  
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Bama just like them. Alright. The old fellow tell him alright Bama just like them. Alright. The old fellow tell him alright
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He dived in from the top He dived in from the top
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 keep going like that. [Camilla] Kept going down? [Henry] Yeah keep going down  keep going like that. [Camilla] Kept going down? [Henry] Yeah keep going down
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hit that bottom then. Hammer on top floating. [Camilla] Hammer was floating? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And was he  hit that bottom then. Hammer on top floating. [Camilla] Hammer was floating? [Henry] Yeah [Camilla] And was he 
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 was he...[Henry] he went down then. Right down then. No water. [Camilla] No water [Henry] No water nuh .  was he...[Henry] he went down then. Right down then. No water. [Camilla] No water [Henry] No water nuh .
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That story rainbow and that.. that carpet snake. He That story rainbow and that.. that carpet snake. He
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Aboriginal Aboriginal
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[Camilla] His all. His people. [Henry] Hmm. Come Down. Grab him. [Camilla] Pull him down. [Camilla] His all. His people. [Henry] Hmm. Come Down. Grab him. [Camilla] Pull him down.
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 ask him then what you come for? I come for hammer. That bloke he tell him that hammer there   ask him then what you come for? I come for hammer. That bloke he tell him that hammer there 
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Oh we go down the (beach). They walked him underground Oh we go down the (beach). They walked him underground
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[Camilla] Underground down to the beach. [Henry] Come out at Rattlesnake Point. [Camilla] Ah  [Camilla] Underground down to the beach. [Henry] Come out at Rattlesnake Point. [Camilla] Ah 
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and what happened to the man and what happened to the man
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with the hammer? He..[Henry] Well he sit up and another bloke then tell him with the hammer? He..[Henry] Well he sit up and another bloke then tell him
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the sea there now. [Camilla] That's the sea? Yeah the sea there now. [Camilla] That's the sea? Yeah
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Talk talk. Right I go now. Yeah alright. Went back to Talk talk. Right I go now. Yeah alright. Went back to
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(..)..Australia. [Camilla] So he talked to his people (..)..Australia. [Camilla] So he talked to his people
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