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You were saying you worked with, ah, Lynette and Bill. Yeah. Oates. Yeah. When they first came You were saying you worked with, ah, Lynette and Bill. Yeah. Oates. Yeah. When they first came
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Yeah, I worked with Bill and Lynette Oates. They were living down at Yeah, I worked with Bill and Lynette Oates. They were living down at
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weren't they. Where would they come up to? weren't they. Where would they come up to?
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They went... Hank and Ruth came so we [...?] They went... Hank and Ruth came so we [...?]
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them to talk to. You spent a lot of them to talk to. You spent a lot of
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time with Hank and Ruth? Yeah. Yeah. Talk, how many hours we sit down and talk. He used to time with Hank and Ruth? Yeah. Yeah. Talk, how many hours we sit down and talk. He used to
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pay us for talkin'. pay us for talkin'.
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In food or money? In money. In food or money? In money.
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Did you speak much English then? Did you speak much English then?
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Speak to you in Kuku Yalanji. No, we used to talk to them Speak to you in Kuku Yalanji. No, we used to talk to them
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[.Kuku..?] you know, explain [.Kuku..?] to them [.Kuku..?] you know, explain [.Kuku..?] to them
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[...?] [...?]
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[..in Kuku.?] [Camilla] Mmmm. [Eileen] So, we got our [..in Kuku.?] [Camilla] Mmmm. [Eileen] So, we got our
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[...?] stuff. Yeah, they wrote [...?] [...?] stuff. Yeah, they wrote [...?]
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Taught at the school as well? Sometime they come to school Taught at the school as well? Sometime they come to school
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[...?] they [coughs] [...?] and Lily went to Brisbane [...?] they [coughs] [...?] and Lily went to Brisbane
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He was in Brisbane talkin' about He was in Brisbane talkin' about
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[.I forgot what now..] him and, you know, still talk language to us. [Camilla] Yeah [.I forgot what now..] him and, you know, still talk language to us. [Camilla] Yeah
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They could still speak it. Yeah. Even after ten years [Yeah, yeah] being away. That's pretty good. They could still speak it. Yeah. Even after ten years [Yeah, yeah] being away. That's pretty good.
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Kids. You knew them? Yeah. Yep Kids. You knew them? Yeah. Yep
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[coughing] When, Kuku Yalanji means, talk of the place, is that right? Yes [coughing] When, Kuku Yalanji means, talk of the place, is that right? Yes
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People, or? [Eileen] Yeah. [Camilla] But when they were writing the book they used [Kuku Nyungkal...?] as well. People, or? [Eileen] Yeah. [Camilla] But when they were writing the book they used [Kuku Nyungkal...?] as well.
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so it's a mixture of so it's a mixture of
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both. [Yeah] What they wrote down? [Eileen] They used to go get Kuku Nyungkal talk to them, Kuku [Yalanji...?] both. [Yeah] What they wrote down? [Eileen] They used to go get Kuku Nyungkal talk to them, Kuku [Yalanji...?]
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the dictionary. Yeah. Is it a mixture? the dictionary. Yeah. Is it a mixture?
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Yes, some mix. Yeah. [pause] And, um Yes, some mix. Yeah. [pause] And, um
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the native title claim oh, month or more ago when they had the big mee- the native title claim oh, month or more ago when they had the big mee-
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-ting with the Land Council and Noel Pearson came up. [Eileen...Mmm] Um, you were on the -ting with the Land Council and Noel Pearson came up. [Eileen...Mmm] Um, you were on the
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your name [cough] is to represent the whole of [.Kuku Yalanji..?] your name [cough] is to represent the whole of [.Kuku Yalanji..?]
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Yeah. And how did you get picked to...? Well. Represent everyone? Yeah. And how did you get picked to...? Well. Represent everyone?
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You can talk the language. You can talk the language.
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[...?] talk with the white people, you know, [not afraid?] [...?] talk with the white people, you know, [not afraid?]
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to talk to anyone, that's why they picked me. Yep. to talk to anyone, that's why they picked me. Yep.
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Any person I can talk to Any person I can talk to
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you know, can talk to [.Bama..]. [Camilla..hhm] That's how they pick me up you know, can talk to [.Bama..]. [Camilla..hhm] That's how they pick me up
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[coughing] person. He's like a.... [Yeah] to talk between. Yeah. [coughing] person. He's like a.... [Yeah] to talk between. Yeah.
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The other lady, anthropologist [..] The other lady, anthropologist [..]
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To me. To me.
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That lady with. I forget too, I should know That lady with. I forget too, I should know
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it as well. I can see what she looks like. [Yeah, with a...] In my mind  it as well. I can see what she looks like. [Yeah, with a...] In my mind 
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She had short hair, yeah yeah. I forget. She's working with you. [Eileen] [coughing]. Yeah. She had short hair, yeah yeah. I forget. She's working with you. [Eileen] [coughing]. Yeah.
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You know? Yeah. Land claim, [Mm] or native title claim really, isn't it?  [Eileen] Mmm You know? Yeah. Land claim, [Mm] or native title claim really, isn't it?  [Eileen] Mmm
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We talk to people like that. We talk to people like that.
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What a person What a person
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can talk, you know. [pause] [clears throat] talk for you and can talk, you know. [pause] [clears throat] talk for you and
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that. Yeah. To the government or whatever. Yeah. And Noel Pearson. that. Yeah. To the government or whatever. Yeah. And Noel Pearson.
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Is he, he's head of the land council. Yeah. He's from here. Is he, he's head of the land council. Yeah. He's from here.
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Grandparents from here and his mother. Yeah. Mmmm Grandparents from here and his mother. Yeah. Mmmm
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parents. Mmm parents. Mmm
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Really open to people. Yeah. Really open to people. Yeah.
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[Laughing] I can't think of any more to ask you. [Laughing] I can't think of any more to ask you.
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[pause] When did you move up to Wudjal? [pause] When did you move up to Wudjal?
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And Henry was living here? Yeah they was living here. And Henry was living here? Yeah they was living here.
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Was in dormitory, I got married and then I moved out. Moved up, straight up to Was in dormitory, I got married and then I moved out. Moved up, straight up to
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Oh? [.Wujal..?] Yep. [Eileen] Yeah Oh? [.Wujal..?] Yep. [Eileen] Yeah
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[...?] it's different [...?] it's different
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to now? It was different, you know. Boys used to work with a [...?] hole  to now? It was different, you know. Boys used to work with a [...?] hole 
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they call the big trees [...?]. All the boys, Henry they call the big trees [...?]. All the boys, Henry
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Uncle Bob, all them [Baird's] boys. Uncle Bob, all them [Baird's] boys.
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[.Boys..?] and [.Fletch..]. Pretty hard, you know, that time. [.Boys..?] and [.Fletch..]. Pretty hard, you know, that time.
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[.yeah..] [.yeah..]
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[Camilla] mission. [Eileen] Boys used to stay in the flats. When I got married [Camilla] mission. [Eileen] Boys used to stay in the flats. When I got married
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I was staying up there with the boys. Boy was still working. Oh yeah. Still staying in the flats. I was staying up there with the boys. Boy was still working. Oh yeah. Still staying in the flats.
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[Boy's] dormitory this time. No, [laughs]. [Eileen] No, I was married then. [Camilla] Yeah, I know, I know but  what you had a flat [Boy's] dormitory this time. No, [laughs]. [Eileen] No, I was married then. [Camilla] Yeah, I know, I know but  what you had a flat
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with Henry? with Henry?
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Yep, in a little, in the house. Where did you, where did you get married? Yep, in a little, in the house. Where did you, where did you get married?
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[.Down at the] Middle Town?  [Camilla] Middle Town. [.Down at the] Middle Town?  [Camilla] Middle Town.
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Hartwig? Yeah. Did he marry you, yeah? Yes. [laugh] Hartwig? Yeah. Did he marry you, yeah? Yes. [laugh]
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Food that time. No good food. We only had sandwiches in a tub. Ahhh Food that time. No good food. We only had sandwiches in a tub. Ahhh
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feast, sandwiches and. Yes, that's all, sandwiches. Yeah [laugh] No traditional food. No. No. feast, sandwiches and. Yes, that's all, sandwiches. Yeah [laugh] No traditional food. No. No.
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[laugh] Yeah. [laugh] Yeah.
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[...?] But now this time, no people eating that they using them [...?] But now this time, no people eating that they using them
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missionaries, you know, all the equipments. Oh yeah. Those missionaries, you know, all the equipments. Oh yeah. Those
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are Henry's time, my Henry. He used to work down the sawmill. are Henry's time, my Henry. He used to work down the sawmill.
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[...?] Ah. When we got married he used to work down at the mill. [...?] Ah. When we got married he used to work down at the mill.
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He used to work for Bob He used to work for Bob
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[Harlo?] Uncle Bob. Yeah, he told me that. Tin mine. Mmmm. I was little girl then, I used to stay with my [Harlo?] Uncle Bob. Yeah, he told me that. Tin mine. Mmmm. I was little girl then, I used to stay with my
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grandmother. Yeah. Down here? down that Degarra grandmother. Yeah. Down here? down that Degarra
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you know, took a while for he used to go bring some you know, took a while for he used to go bring some
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[.bilo..?] [Camilla] Bob did, bring it back? Yeah. [Camilla] It was a special treat [laugh]. [Eileen] Yeah [.bilo..?] [Camilla] Bob did, bring it back? Yeah. [Camilla] It was a special treat [laugh]. [Eileen] Yeah
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Now there's plenty of food? Yeah, now plenty of food and people getting sugar. Too much Now there's plenty of food? Yeah, now plenty of food and people getting sugar. Too much
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sugar. Pressure, yeah, too much in there, tablets. [laughter] sugar. Pressure, yeah, too much in there, tablets. [laughter]
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Yeah. Lots of food but not good food. Too much greasy stuff. Yeah. Lots of food but not good food. Too much greasy stuff.
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Yeah, we eat goanna [Camilla] Snake. Yeah, we eat goanna [Camilla] Snake.
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[static] [static]
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[...?] Yep [...?] Yep
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Come back tomorrow and see Henry then with the new car [laugh]. Yeah [laugh] He'll be home tomorrow I might go to Mosman. Oh, are Come back tomorrow and see Henry then with the new car [laugh]. Yeah [laugh] He'll be home tomorrow I might go to Mosman. Oh, are
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the daughter, yeah. the daughter, yeah.