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Used to lose the stuff that used to set hard around the outside but inside  Used to lose the stuff that used to set hard around the outside but inside 
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enjoyed with the form of. The flailing that would be about Kate usually enjoyed with the form of. The flailing that would be about Kate usually
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[Camilla] so they wet the bag....[Herbert] I don't know if it kept all the weevils out. It is possible they [Camilla] so they wet the bag....[Herbert] I don't know if it kept all the weevils out. It is possible they
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It might have had a- some affect on the weevils but if they didn't It might have had a- some affect on the weevils but if they didn't
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 do that, you keep  do that, you keep
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flour for 3 or 4 months it goes off and [Camilla] Yeah. I guess...[Herbert]... not very nice at all, you know, flour for 3 or 4 months it goes off and [Camilla] Yeah. I guess...[Herbert]... not very nice at all, you know,
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gets the horrible taste. I'm told that's what they used to do. I never saw it done. [Camilla] This was... they'd, ah gets the horrible taste. I'm told that's what they used to do. I never saw it done. [Camilla] This was... they'd, ah
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how would they get it..in a huge sack if they bought it by the ton. [Herbert] Hmm? [Camilla] How would it- how would they get it..in a huge sack if they bought it by the ton. [Herbert] Hmm? [Camilla] How would it-
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 how would they get it. By the sack? Or? [Herbert] Well there was some sack flour, and ah...  how would they get it. By the sack? Or? [Herbert] Well there was some sack flour, and ah...
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 Mostly would be in these 50 pound bags that they could dip in   Mostly would be in these 50 pound bags that they could dip in 
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 in the water and rocks would dry it in the sun perfectly and then they'd put it away. [Camilla] It's [Victor in background]   in the water and rocks would dry it in the sun perfectly and then they'd put it away. [Camilla] It's [Victor in background] 
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[Camilla] seal it off? [Herbert] yeah that would be a seal you see all round. [Victor] Well a baker in Mareeba [Camilla] seal it off? [Herbert] yeah that would be a seal you see all round. [Victor] Well a baker in Mareeba
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told me that at these times, that there'd be- they buy a special  told me that at these times, that there'd be- they buy a special 
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expensive flour to mix with their ordinary flour and he said some of these bakers don't expensive flour to mix with their ordinary flour and he said some of these bakers don't
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that expense and that's why you don't get as good bread. [Camilla] The baker's flour they call it  that expense and that's why you don't get as good bread. [Camilla] The baker's flour they call it 
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maybe. [Victor] Yes, well he said that there was a special maybe. [Victor] Yes, well he said that there was a special
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 flour that you mixed with the ordinary flour [Camilla] Right   flour that you mixed with the ordinary flour [Camilla] Right 
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Hmm. [Victor] And he certainly made good bread. [Camilla] Yeah mmm [Herbert] There's a baker in Hmm. [Victor] And he certainly made good bread. [Camilla] Yeah mmm [Herbert] There's a baker in
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Cooktown when he first started there his bread was terrible and uh Cooktown when he first started there his bread was terrible and uh
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in fact we used to get bread from Cairns in preference to getting bread from Cooktown in fact we used to get bread from Cairns in preference to getting bread from Cooktown
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at uh.. I was in his company one day at uh.. I was in his company one day
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when a fellow asked him what was the trouble? By this time he'd made good bread when a fellow asked him what was the trouble? By this time he'd made good bread
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What is the trouble? Well he said it was the flour. He said it was the flour they were supplying What is the trouble? Well he said it was the flour. He said it was the flour they were supplying
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 me. It wasn't wasn't a good flour. Mmm. There's different  me. It wasn't wasn't a good flour. Mmm. There's different
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kinds of flour. I don't know the names of them but uh kinds of flour. I don't know the names of them but uh
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but some are a hard grain and some are soft grain and so on but some are a hard grain and some are soft grain and so on
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[Camilla] The tomatoes and pumpkins that you grew in the vegetable garden [Herbert] Mm [Camilla] The tomatoes and pumpkins that you grew in the vegetable garden [Herbert] Mm
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And the watermelon did you get the seeds from somewhere else were they from And the watermelon did you get the seeds from somewhere else were they from
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original seed that was grown. The pumpkins your grandmother grew them too didn't she. I guess original seed that was grown. The pumpkins your grandmother grew them too didn't she. I guess
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 they were growing every where. [Herbert] Oh well the seed in those days yes the seed would have been  they were growing every where. [Herbert] Oh well the seed in those days yes the seed would have been
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saved from year to year. [Camilla] But the one that you used to grow was a.. [Herbert] Well that particular  saved from year to year. [Camilla] But the one that you used to grow was a.. [Herbert] Well that particular 
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one that we have grown in your time when you came there that one that we have grown in your time when you came there that
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 that was a pumpkin  that was a pumpkin
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a pumpkin that came from Daintree and uh I think it was a pumpkin that came from Daintree and uh I think it was
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yeah Bob Harlow and Benny.... Harlow's brother Benny they  yeah Bob Harlow and Benny.... Harlow's brother Benny they 
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gave Oscar this pumpkin and it came from Daintree well gave Oscar this pumpkin and it came from Daintree well
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In Shipton we were quite impressed with the pumpkin it was...that was from there..that pumpkin  In Shipton we were quite impressed with the pumpkin it was...that was from there..that pumpkin 
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that was the mother of all those pumpkins we used to grow [Camilla] Yeah mm  that was the mother of all those pumpkins we used to grow [Camilla] Yeah mm 
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 we still grow them here today. We've got seed here now. They all descended.. [Camilla] I still grow them too   we still grow them here today. We've got seed here now. They all descended.. [Camilla] I still grow them too 
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 descended from that one pumpkin  descended from that one pumpkin
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[Camilla] (..) ..you know [Herbert] The average person isn't very interested in, ah, in that pumpkin [Camilla] (..) ..you know [Herbert] The average person isn't very interested in, ah, in that pumpkin
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they'll eat any sort of squashy rubbish that we wouldn't eat. [Camilla] Yeah [Herbert] Now we like a bit of pumpkin they'll eat any sort of squashy rubbish that we wouldn't eat. [Camilla] Yeah [Herbert] Now we like a bit of pumpkin
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sometimes. We haven't got any at the present time but a couple of weeks ago I sometimes. We haven't got any at the present time but a couple of weeks ago I
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 I bought a little little piece of pumpkin. I thought oh well  I bought a little little piece of pumpkin. I thought oh well
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we might get you know something we like. Well it was the squashiest.. it was rubbishy we might get you know something we like. Well it was the squashiest.. it was rubbishy
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[laughs] you could find anywhere. [Camilla] Watery tasteless [Herbert] Watery yes. Well that one  [laughs] you could find anywhere. [Camilla] Watery tasteless [Herbert] Watery yes. Well that one 
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 will grow. There is  one thing about that it was a dry  will grow. There is  one thing about that it was a dry
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sweet pumpkin. Mmm. But the average person they couldn't care less whether it was sweet pumpkin. Mmm. But the average person they couldn't care less whether it was
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sloppy or what it is they'll eat it. [Camilla] Yeah. And that bullocks the tomatoes called bullocks sloppy or what it is they'll eat it. [Camilla] Yeah. And that bullocks the tomatoes called bullocks
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hearts of something. Those big ones? [Herbert] A lot of people call it hearts of something. Those big ones? [Herbert] A lot of people call it
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that we grew a bullocks heart. Well it looked something like... well you get a big one you know  that we grew a bullocks heart. Well it looked something like... well you get a big one you know 
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and it comes out to- to a blunt point something like a bullock's heart. and it comes out to- to a blunt point something like a bullock's heart.
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[Victor] I could tell you something about pumpkins and potatoes but you wouldn't have wanted them then, [Camilla laughs]  [Victor] I could tell you something about pumpkins and potatoes but you wouldn't have wanted them then, [Camilla laughs] 
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He never brought it back and I wanted them so I went over and told him that I'd like to get this   He never brought it back and I wanted them so I went over and told him that I'd like to get this  
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cross cut saw. I've got a potato over there and I want to cut a piece off cross cut saw. I've got a potato over there and I want to cut a piece off
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it for you. He said 'That would be alright.' he said 'I could let you have it but I've got it stuck it for you. He said 'That would be alright.' he said 'I could let you have it but I've got it stuck
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in a pumpkin that I was cutting a piece off for you.' [Camilla laughs] So you see we grow big  in a pumpkin that I was cutting a piece off for you.' [Camilla laughs] So you see we grow big 
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ones here. [Camilla] Yeah [both laugh]. ones here. [Camilla] Yeah [both laugh].
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One time a fellow One time a fellow
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lost his bullock team. You know in the early days they used bullocks to transfer  lost his bullock team. You know in the early days they used bullocks to transfer 
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and down there they saw this pumpkin and it had a hole in the side and down there they saw this pumpkin and it had a hole in the side
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and they found the bullock team inside. [Camilla laughs]  and they found the bullock team inside. [Camilla laughs] 
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The tomatoes when did you start planting those one? [Herbert] Well actually those tomato seeds the original  The tomatoes when did you start planting those one? [Herbert] Well actually those tomato seeds the original 
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 ones we had came from Mareeba here and I suspect that the Italians   ones we had came from Mareeba here and I suspect that the Italians 
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brought those seeds in illegally in the first place. [Camilla] Yep brought those seeds in illegally in the first place. [Camilla] Yep
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 yeah [Victor] The first of those tomatoes was that there were 3 of them for sale  yeah [Victor] The first of those tomatoes was that there were 3 of them for sale
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at Dudley's, they were in the Cairns show on an exhibit there..[Camilla] Yeah [Victor] and they were 3 mighty big   at Dudley's, they were in the Cairns show on an exhibit there..[Camilla] Yeah [Victor] and they were 3 mighty big  
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tomatoes. Well everybody was taken with these when they saw these tomatoes tomatoes. Well everybody was taken with these when they saw these tomatoes
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and and
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 As was the usual thing when the show finished on the last night they auctioned all the vegetables   As was the usual thing when the show finished on the last night they auctioned all the vegetables 
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 and these tomatoes came up and they auctioned... auctioned them   and these tomatoes came up and they auctioned... auctioned them 
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 one at a time and they got 17 shillings a tomato. [Camilla laughs] When was   one at a time and they got 17 shillings a tomato. [Camilla laughs] When was 
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[Herbert clears throat] that? [Victor] Oh this was quite some years ago. A fellow  [Herbert clears throat] that? [Victor] Oh this was quite some years ago. A fellow 
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that had those tomatoes first was an Italian chap here named Louis (Pinne) that had those tomatoes first was an Italian chap here named Louis (Pinne)
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 And how he got them into Australia I don't  And how he got them into Australia I don't
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 know but he did get them in. [laughs] [Camilla] you got some seeds from him? [Victor].. and that's how we got  know but he did get them in. [laughs] [Camilla] you got some seeds from him? [Victor].. and that's how we got
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started off from that you see different ones bought them at that price to get them for the  started off from that you see different ones bought them at that price to get them for the 
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seeds. [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] at that time things weren't skyrocketing in price like they are today seeds. [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] at that time things weren't skyrocketing in price like they are today
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Yeah. [Victor] 17 shillings was a lot of money in those times...[Camilla] A lot of money Yeah. [Victor] 17 shillings was a lot of money in those times...[Camilla] A lot of money
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Yeah. [Herbert] Well the Italians like that tomato because it's good for making pasta Yeah. [Herbert] Well the Italians like that tomato because it's good for making pasta
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you see it hasn't got many seeds in it. Mmm. You get a lot of these tomatoes  you see it hasn't got many seeds in it. Mmm. You get a lot of these tomatoes 
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they're more seeds than anything else. [Camilla] Fleshy and soft skinned they're more seeds than anything else. [Camilla] Fleshy and soft skinned
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 Yeah well that is the beauty of that it tastes good and they   Yeah well that is the beauty of that it tastes good and they 
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were a solid were a solid
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sort of tomato. There was very little seed space and uh you got get a lot of tomatoes to get a  sort of tomato. There was very little seed space and uh you got get a lot of tomatoes to get a 
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few seeds. [Camilla]  Did you ever ..did you milk cows later on few seeds. [Camilla]  Did you ever ..did you milk cows later on
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or was it only when you were younger that you had milking cows? [Herbert] Oh it was only when  or was it only when you were younger that you had milking cows? [Herbert] Oh it was only when 
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 I had to milk cows. [laughs] [Camilla]  So you didn't use milk after that?   I had to milk cows. [laughs] [Camilla]  So you didn't use milk after that? 
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 when we were on our own we never milked oh we might have occasionally.  I remember one time  when we were on our own we never milked oh we might have occasionally.  I remember one time
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my brother from Home Hill he used to milk a cow but we never ever   my brother from Home Hill he used to milk a cow but we never ever  
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Well we don't use like fresh milk here. That's all we use Well we don't use like fresh milk here. That's all we use
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We could get fresh milk but we don't use it. In fact we've got a We could get fresh milk but we don't use it. In fact we've got a
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a container of um long life milk in the fridge a container of um long life milk in the fridge
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 there that one of our nephews left here some months ago -Hmm. -but we never we don't use it if  there that one of our nephews left here some months ago -Hmm. -but we never we don't use it if
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we use a bit of this sort of stuff we use a bit of this sort of stuff
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 We don't take milk in tea. People can't drink tea you know unless they've got  We don't take milk in tea. People can't drink tea you know unless they've got
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fresh milk in it and so on[Camilla] Yeah uh There was a fellow Cochrane fresh milk in it and so on[Camilla] Yeah uh There was a fellow Cochrane
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over at Tool-goor before Roy Haack bought the place over at Tool-goor before Roy Haack bought the place
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[Herbert] Cochrane oh yeah that was his place. [Camilla] Yeah [Herbert] He goes right back [Herbert] Cochrane oh yeah that was his place. [Camilla] Yeah [Herbert] He goes right back
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He was a selector no doubt. [Camilla] Was he? Well..[Herbert] He's a Cochrane He was a selector no doubt. [Camilla] Was he? Well..[Herbert] He's a Cochrane
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[Camilla] someone mentioned that he made a powdered milk there long before..[Victor] He was the first one to make  [Camilla] someone mentioned that he made a powdered milk there long before..[Victor] He was the first one to make 
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powdered milk. [Camilla] Really [Victor] And I had a write up of that in the North Queensland powdered milk. [Camilla] Really [Victor] And I had a write up of that in the North Queensland
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Register. I had pulled the sheet out. For some reason or other the date Register. I had pulled the sheet out. For some reason or other the date
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on the page disappeared of it. Why I wouldn't know. Mmm. Well I  on the page disappeared of it. Why I wouldn't know. Mmm. Well I 
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 have one here and a DPI [Department of Primary Industries] man was interested in   have one here and a DPI [Department of Primary Industries] man was interested in 
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 writing up the history of the North up here and I gave him this..his name  writing up the history of the North up here and I gave him this..his name
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was Ernest Ernie Stephens and I gave him this sheet the write up of Peter Cochrane's was Ernest Ernie Stephens and I gave him this sheet the write up of Peter Cochrane's
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having made this powdered milk out at the just off Bloomfield River but and  having made this powdered milk out at the just off Bloomfield River but and 
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I said at the time 'that I'd like to have it back' I said at the time 'that I'd like to have it back'
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 and I've never seen it since and I saw him one time in Cairns when I had a bit of a problem. I went and saw  and I've never seen it since and I saw him one time in Cairns when I had a bit of a problem. I went and saw
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him and talking to him him and talking to him
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 and I said 'Do you still got that sheet that I lent you' and he said 'Oh yes it's here in the  and I said 'Do you still got that sheet that I lent you' and he said 'Oh yes it's here in the
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..he still had it there and it's still there apparently in that. Mmm ..he still had it there and it's still there apparently in that. Mmm
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[Camilla] In his file. [Victor] But he's died quite a few years ago..[Camilla] Did he? [Victor]..so I don't think I'll  [Camilla] In his file. [Victor] But he's died quite a few years ago..[Camilla] Did he? [Victor]..so I don't think I'll 
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 be getting it now. [Camilla] Oh. Do you remember how he made the powdered milk?  be getting it now. [Camilla] Oh. Do you remember how he made the powdered milk?
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Oh I wouldn't have a clue how he made it. It's a mystery. [Herbert in background] [Camilla] It was a long Oh I wouldn't have a clue how he made it. It's a mystery. [Herbert in background] [Camilla] It was a long
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time before...[Victor] but time before...[Victor] but
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 but I never ever saw the milk that he made either but it must be a fact  but I never ever saw the milk that he made either but it must be a fact
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 because this person wrote it up and sent it to the North Queensland Register   because this person wrote it up and sent it to the North Queensland Register 
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and he should've got the credit for making the 1st powdered milk in Australia and he should've got the credit for making the 1st powdered milk in Australia
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Mmm. And that's why I gave it to this fellow when he was..I don't know I never saw any of his writings Mmm. And that's why I gave it to this fellow when he was..I don't know I never saw any of his writings
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that he made up. Yeah. He was collecting quite a lot of information about the that he made up. Yeah. He was collecting quite a lot of information about the
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the North here the North here
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 and uh I don't know. I never ever saw where you could obtain these writings   and uh I don't know. I never ever saw where you could obtain these writings 
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 or anything. [Camilla] There were Cochranes  still there in your time. [Victor] Oh yeah [Camilla] You mentioned Victor  or anything. [Camilla] There were Cochranes  still there in your time. [Victor] Oh yeah [Camilla] You mentioned Victor
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that he owed you at the store or something. [Victor] Yes I was there that he owed you at the store or something. [Victor] Yes I was there
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 with the one of the horse boys one time when we went out there and took supplies out to them  with the one of the horse boys one time when we went out there and took supplies out to them
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On a pack horse. [Camilla] Oh really. [Victor] He was a Scotsman and On a pack horse. [Camilla] Oh really. [Victor] He was a Scotsman and
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that bears out that he was a Scotsman too because he used to be interested in a sawmill here that bears out that he was a Scotsman too because he used to be interested in a sawmill here
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 here in Mareeba. It used to be Jamison's Sawmill well he was one of the partners  here in Mareeba. It used to be Jamison's Sawmill well he was one of the partners
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 and he used to walk over from Bloomfield down through Mossman   and he used to walk over from Bloomfield down through Mossman 
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and up through Molloy and over to here. Well one time when he left Bloomfield and up through Molloy and over to here. Well one time when he left Bloomfield
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at his property there he apparently boiled some guinea fowl eggs at his property there he apparently boiled some guinea fowl eggs
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 he didn't eat the lot there was 1 or 2 left on the shelf and he was away from here from  he didn't eat the lot there was 1 or 2 left on the shelf and he was away from here from
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from there for 6 weeks. When he from there for 6 weeks. When he
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 got back he ate these eggs so he said that guinea fowl eggs will last a long   got back he ate these eggs so he said that guinea fowl eggs will last a long 
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 time over they were cooked. [Camilla] Yeah [Camilla and Herbert laugh]  time over they were cooked. [Camilla] Yeah [Camilla and Herbert laugh]
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 Big (discussion) that he found that out. [Camilla] How long did he last. [laughter] [Victor] But  Big (discussion) that he found that out. [Camilla] How long did he last. [laughter] [Victor] But
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 but that's the story we were told but where his wife was at the time I don't know because she could have been there   but that's the story we were told but where his wife was at the time I don't know because she could have been there 
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eating the eggs. [Camilla] Yeah. He died out there. [Victor] He died there right on that property. [Herbert] He's buried there. eating the eggs. [Camilla] Yeah. He died out there. [Victor] He died there right on that property. [Herbert] He's buried there.
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[Camilla] and yeah he had a heart attack or something. [Victor] He had a [Camilla] and yeah he had a heart attack or something. [Victor] He had a
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sawmill there. [Camilla] Did he? [Victor] Yeah. And he's buried somewhere..I never saw sawmill there. [Camilla] Did he? [Victor] Yeah. And he's buried somewhere..I never saw
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where he was buried. [Camilla] Roy said he found..the grave was still there when he put the where he was buried. [Camilla] Roy said he found..the grave was still there when he put the
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 their road in that you use now. The track into Crofty's   their road in that you use now. The track into Crofty's 
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That he had to divert the track because the.. he found the graves there. [Victor] Yes [Camilla] It still had the flowers growing along That he had to divert the track because the.. he found the graves there. [Victor] Yes [Camilla] It still had the flowers growing along
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 alongside it. [Victor] Yes I've never seen where he was buried but that's where he is. [Camilla] so he used to cut timber   alongside it. [Victor] Yes I've never seen where he was buried but that's where he is. [Camilla] so he used to cut timber 
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 around that area? [Victor] he came from Scotland as a young man and he had very little  around that area? [Victor] he came from Scotland as a young man and he had very little
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 education and he taught himself after he apparently after he came here   education and he taught himself after he apparently after he came here 
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and he became the engineer of the sugar mill at Bloomfield and he became the engineer of the sugar mill at Bloomfield
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Right. [Victor] And that's why he came to there you see to Right. [Victor] And that's why he came to there you see to
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be the engineer and then he took up that property. Hhm. And that's where he finished off well  be the engineer and then he took up that property. Hhm. And that's where he finished off well 
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 when he became sick my dad still had that little motor the (Henry mower) and  when he became sick my dad still had that little motor the (Henry mower) and
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 He was engaged to go out on the coast there and wait down by what is called the  He was engaged to go out on the coast there and wait down by what is called the
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Aviat...Creek known as Bauer's inlet and he was waiting down there for them to carry  Aviat...Creek known as Bauer's inlet and he was waiting down there for them to carry 
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 Peter Cochrane down to there and he'd take him into Cooktown to the Hospital   Peter Cochrane down to there and he'd take him into Cooktown to the Hospital 
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 but she was such a cantankerous woman that  but she was such a cantankerous woman that
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 one minute she was okaying that he could go and the next minute she was objecting   one minute she was okaying that he could go and the next minute she was objecting 
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 until at last it ended up that no she wouldn't let him go and   until at last it ended up that no she wouldn't let him go and 
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so they went down to the coast and told dad that they couldn't bring him down so they went down to the coast and told dad that they couldn't bring him down
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 that he wouldn't they were forbidden to shift him so... [Camilla] Who was  that he wouldn't they were forbidden to shift him so... [Camilla] Who was
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who went in to pick him up? Not your dad! Someone else went in to who went in to pick him up? Not your dad! Someone else went in to
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walked in to pick him up. [Victor] Well One chap would have been Bert Francis was walked in to pick him up. [Victor] Well One chap would have been Bert Francis was
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 one of them that would have been there to carry him down. Who the rest were I don't know  one of them that would have been there to carry him down. Who the rest were I don't know
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 but the dad went on to Cooktown you see to get supplies and that and when he came   but the dad went on to Cooktown you see to get supplies and that and when he came 
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 back I was able to...we caught up with him as he came in the River. We just came out of School   back I was able to...we caught up with him as he came in the River. We just came out of School 
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in the afternoon. We got a lift home and I was able to tell him that Peter  in the afternoon. We got a lift home and I was able to tell him that Peter 
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 Cochrane  had died while he was away. [Camilla] Really mmm [Victor] And yet when this same lady Mrs.  Cochrane  had died while he was away. [Camilla] Really mmm [Victor] And yet when this same lady Mrs.
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Cochrane..I don't want to condemn any females but she was a woman that deserved to be Cochrane..I don't want to condemn any females but she was a woman that deserved to be
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condemned condemned
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for what..the things that she did. But when she became ill we carried her for what..the things that she did. But when she became ill we carried her
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 from out there at the  from out there at the
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block of land into the Bloomfield River and she was taken over to my grandmother's place and they nursed her block of land into the Bloomfield River and she was taken over to my grandmother's place and they nursed her
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 back into health again. She was very sick and...with  back into health again. She was very sick and...with
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Bert Francis was in that that day carrying her myself and Oscar and a few Bert Francis was in that that day carrying her myself and Oscar and a few
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Aborigines Aborigines
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And we carried her all the way from..made a bush stretcher you know..a few bags and a couple of sticks And we carried her all the way from..made a bush stretcher you know..a few bags and a couple of sticks
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 and 4 people at a time. One on each corner carried  and 4 people at a time. One on each corner carried
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 and she was brought in. when she was sick it was a different story to when he was sick. [Camilla] Yeah  and she was brought in. when she was sick it was a different story to when he was sick. [Camilla] Yeah
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Oh she was a very cantankerous woman Oh she was a very cantankerous woman
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and uh I told Jamie a bit about what I thought about her. Yeah. Well myself and 3 and uh I told Jamie a bit about what I thought about her. Yeah. Well myself and 3
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others had the option of buying that place at one time and she was all in agreement others had the option of buying that place at one time and she was all in agreement
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 to buy it until we came with the papers to sign and she wouldn't sign them. [Camilla] Arh  to buy it until we came with the papers to sign and she wouldn't sign them. [Camilla] Arh
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 that was why we didn't buy that property. [Camilla] Mmm. It's a valuable piece of land too  that was why we didn't buy that property. [Camilla] Mmm. It's a valuable piece of land too
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 [Victor in background] well she lived on that property for years after he died  [Victor in background] well she lived on that property for years after he died
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and you can hardly credit it but our father used to send a horse out and you can hardly credit it but our father used to send a horse out
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 With her groceries on a pack horse for nothing  With her groceries on a pack horse for nothing
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delivered to her house wasn't it. [Victor] Yes and she had a  delivered to her house wasn't it. [Victor] Yes and she had a 
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dray a 2 wheel sort of wagon thing on the property there and she dray a 2 wheel sort of wagon thing on the property there and she
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arranged with dad to sell it to him arranged with dad to sell it to him
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Oscar and dad took a horse out there with harness and everything to bring  Oscar and dad took a horse out there with harness and everything to bring 
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that dray into Bloomfield. When that dray into Bloomfield. When
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they got out there she wouldn't sell it. [Camilla] Oh [Victor] She said she might use it when she was ready to they got out there she wouldn't sell it. [Camilla] Oh [Victor] She said she might use it when she was ready to
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 leave the place and after them taking a horse out there [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] so you see   leave the place and after them taking a horse out there [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] so you see 
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is bearing out what I told you she was a very cantankerous old woman [Camilla] Mmm is bearing out what I told you she was a very cantankerous old woman [Camilla] Mmm
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 And my dad used to do all her correspondence for her with the legal matters  And my dad used to do all her correspondence for her with the legal matters
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 like with the public curator and what. She seemed to have a lot of correspondence and she used to come to   like with the public curator and what. She seemed to have a lot of correspondence and she used to come to 
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him to fix up this correspondence for her. Well at the time him to fix up this correspondence for her. Well at the time
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 she was on the pension which wasn't much at that time and she didn't pay him anything  she was on the pension which wasn't much at that time and she didn't pay him anything
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Well and he wasn't in that trade that he was charging for anything but she promised him Well and he wasn't in that trade that he was charging for anything but she promised him
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 that she would leave him 20 pounds in her will for everything in the property you see was sold that they'd get 20 pounds  that she would leave him 20 pounds in her will for everything in the property you see was sold that they'd get 20 pounds
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 and he would get it then. When she passed on  and he would get it then. When she passed on
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he told me he was still living dad was still living in Cooktown at the time. He said he had a letter from the Public  he told me he was still living dad was still living in Cooktown at the time. He said he had a letter from the Public 
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Curator advising Curator advising
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 him that he was no longer mentioned in the will. [Camilla] Oh [Victor] So she did him for the 20  him that he was no longer mentioned in the will. [Camilla] Oh [Victor] So she did him for the 20
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 quid as well [Herbert laughs] [Camilla] Oh [Victor] So you see it's bearing out what I told you what sort of woman she was  quid as well [Herbert laughs] [Camilla] Oh [Victor] So you see it's bearing out what I told you what sort of woman she was
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Yeah Yeah
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So when you went in with a pack team or when you went in to take her groceries [Victor] yeah [Camilla] where was the  So when you went in with a pack team or when you went in to take her groceries [Victor] yeah [Camilla] where was the 
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the house? the house?
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[Victor] The house? [Camilla] Yeah their..[Victor] Well it would be hard for me to explain that because you went  [Victor] The house? [Camilla] Yeah their..[Victor] Well it would be hard for me to explain that because you went 
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around the edge of that hill there between Hicklings and their place around the edge of that hill there between Hicklings and their place
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[Camilla..(..)][Victor] ..along the coast and came up on a flat and [Camilla] Yeah [Camilla..(..)][Victor] ..along the coast and came up on a flat and [Camilla] Yeah
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 and it was about half way up that flat  and it was about half way up that flat
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that was there. [Camilla] Across Fritz Creek. [Victor] Hmm? [Camilla] Fritz Creek! [Victor] Oh yes that was there. [Camilla] Across Fritz Creek. [Victor] Hmm? [Camilla] Fritz Creek! [Victor] Oh yes
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 You crossed that creek just as you left the plain there at Hicklings  You crossed that creek just as you left the plain there at Hicklings
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But as for explaining anymore about it I.. it's that long since I But as for explaining anymore about it I.. it's that long since I
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was there. [Camilla] yeah. And Francis you mentioned a fellow Francis was he was there. [Camilla] yeah. And Francis you mentioned a fellow Francis was he
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 from up at Home Rule? [Victor] Yes he was from Home Rule you see he and his brother Fred Francis they lived  from up at Home Rule? [Victor] Yes he was from Home Rule you see he and his brother Fred Francis they lived
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 there. Fred Francis were married but Bert wasn't  there. Fred Francis were married but Bert wasn't
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Did the Cochrane's have any children? [Victor] No [Camilla] No [Victor] they had a nephew Did the Cochrane's have any children? [Victor] No [Camilla] No [Victor] they had a nephew
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there at one time whether it was her there at one time whether it was her
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or his nephew I wouldn't know. They collected a great lot of moths and preserved  or his nephew I wouldn't know. They collected a great lot of moths and preserved 
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them. They had them all done up in frames in a box. The box must have been them. They had them all done up in frames in a box. The box must have been
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about that deep and about that deep and
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 the frames were I think she promised it to him to Herbert one time but she  the frames were I think she promised it to him to Herbert one time but she
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 she again she forgot about him. [Camilla hmh] But eventually she donated it to the  she again she forgot about him. [Camilla hmh] But eventually she donated it to the
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 state School in Cooktown and one of the pupils from there told me that when it was   state School in Cooktown and one of the pupils from there told me that when it was 
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handed over the school teacher got the presence of a Policeman handed over the school teacher got the presence of a Policeman
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 to witness that it was being [laughs]..he must have known something [Camilla] Yeah   to witness that it was being [laughs]..he must have known something [Camilla] Yeah 
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Right. [Victor]  he had that policeman as a witness... [Camilla] Yeah [Victor]..that she handed this collection Right. [Victor]  he had that policeman as a witness... [Camilla] Yeah [Victor]..that she handed this collection
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over over
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 of moths over to the School. [Camilla] I wonder where they are now? [Victor] Well I don't know if they were delivered..[Herbert] It was sold   of moths over to the School. [Camilla] I wonder where they are now? [Victor] Well I don't know if they were delivered..[Herbert] It was sold 
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(if they're in existence)  they'd be in the Museum. [Camilla] Yeah (if they're in existence)  they'd be in the Museum. [Camilla] Yeah
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 Yeah. Mm [Herbert] They were butterflies. They collected ..Kuranda years ago they  Yeah. Mm [Herbert] They were butterflies. They collected ..Kuranda years ago they
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one fellow there collected lots of different butterflies [Camilla] Hmm. but she collected one fellow there collected lots of different butterflies [Camilla] Hmm. but she collected
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 them? [Herbert] or he did. [Camilla] He did. [Herbert] I don't think she did. [Camilla] Around the Bloomfield area [Herbert] Yeah Around the Bloomfield area    them? [Herbert] or he did. [Camilla] He did. [Herbert] I don't think she did. [Camilla] Around the Bloomfield area [Herbert] Yeah Around the Bloomfield area  
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[Camilla] Yeah that big moth the Atlas moth? Would that have been.. [Herbert] Butterflies mainly [Camilla] Butterflies mmm [Camilla] Yeah that big moth the Atlas moth? Would that have been.. [Herbert] Butterflies mainly [Camilla] Butterflies mmm
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 And Francis was was working Home Rule or  And Francis was was working Home Rule or
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[Victor] They used to do a bit of tin mining. [Camilla] Hhmm [Victor] They used to do a bit of tin mining. [Camilla] Hhmm
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Did he come down into Cedar Bay too? [Victor] Hm? [Camilla] Did Did he come down into Cedar Bay too? [Victor] Hm? [Camilla] Did
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 they..in the Granites there? [Victor] No you see Cedar Bay is the next Bay on...Yeah...past that   they..in the Granites there? [Victor] No you see Cedar Bay is the next Bay on...Yeah...past that 
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point of Rattlesnake Point [Camilla] There's a track up there to Home Rule point of Rattlesnake Point [Camilla] There's a track up there to Home Rule
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 [Victor] Well there was in those days there was no motor track it was just a track through the bush  [Victor] Well there was in those days there was no motor track it was just a track through the bush
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[Camilla] do you ever remember...[Herbert] Oh they could go from Mount Hartley down to Cedar Bay. That  [Camilla] do you ever remember...[Herbert] Oh they could go from Mount Hartley down to Cedar Bay. That 
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 But there was no real road it was only a pad. [Camilla] No. Yep. Do you ever...[Victor in background..it]   But there was no real road it was only a pad. [Camilla] No. Yep. Do you ever...[Victor in background..it] 
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It went right up past Home Rule to Mount Hartley and over the hill down to Cedar Bay. [Camilla] And what  It went right up past Home Rule to Mount Hartley and over the hill down to Cedar Bay. [Camilla] And what 
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 was that track there for? [Herbert] Oh Well the early fellows there just  was that track there for? [Herbert] Oh Well the early fellows there just
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wanted to go somewhere so they made the track [laughs] [Camilla] Do you know who was..[Victor] When you travel it a few times it gets worn wanted to go somewhere so they made the track [laughs] [Camilla] Do you know who was..[Victor] When you travel it a few times it gets worn
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in and that's the road. [Camilla] Yeah. Well someone must have been there in and that's the road. [Camilla] Yeah. Well someone must have been there
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 do you know who was there? [Victor] Well I never ever went up to Mount Hartley I was  do you know who was there? [Victor] Well I never ever went up to Mount Hartley I was
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there but that's as far as I went. [Camilla] But at Cedar Bay was there anyone there there but that's as far as I went. [Camilla] But at Cedar Bay was there anyone there
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down there in the early days. Cedar getters? [Victor] no the first one there was Bill Evans. [Camilla] Before down there in the early days. Cedar getters? [Victor] no the first one there was Bill Evans. [Camilla] Before
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that the cedar getters...[Victor] Before that there was nobody lived there. not in my time. [Camilla] Not in your time but  that the cedar getters...[Victor] Before that there was nobody lived there. not in my time. [Camilla] Not in your time but 
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 earlier on you didn't hear any stories about taking timber out of there?  earlier on you didn't hear any stories about taking timber out of there?
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[Victor] Oh well if they..I don't know anything about the timber taken out of there. [Herbert] I don't think there was timber taken out of Cedar Bay [Victor] Oh well if they..I don't know anything about the timber taken out of there. [Herbert] I don't think there was timber taken out of Cedar Bay
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Do you remember when Do you remember when
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Bill Evan's first came? [Victor] In the early '30s [Herbert] Somewhere round about '34  Bill Evan's first came? [Victor] In the early '30s [Herbert] Somewhere round about '34 
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[Victor] Yeah In the very early thirties he came there and uh [Victor] Yeah In the very early thirties he came there and uh
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for his transport he used to have a double ender boat that he bought from uh for his transport he used to have a double ender boat that he bought from uh
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I don't know if you would say from the Harbour Master but anyway it was in Cooktown used it  I don't know if you would say from the Harbour Master but anyway it was in Cooktown used it 
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in the harbour there and he obtained that one and that's what he had for his first in the harbour there and he obtained that one and that's what he had for his first
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 transport but what happened to it I don't know because in later time that I knew him  transport but what happened to it I don't know because in later time that I knew him
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 he didn't have that one he had a flatty. [Camilla] And what did he do there?  he didn't have that one he had a flatty. [Camilla] And what did he do there?
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[Victor] What did he do? [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] He used to scratch tin  [Victor] What did he do? [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] He used to scratch tin 
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up on Mount Hartley for awhile before he was old enough for a pension [Camilla] Hhmm up on Mount Hartley for awhile before he was old enough for a pension [Camilla] Hhmm
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 but once he got the pension well of course there was no more tin scratching [Camilla] And there was another fellow up there  but once he got the pension well of course there was no more tin scratching [Camilla] And there was another fellow up there
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Bill Eccles? [Victor] Yes I remember Bill Eccles? [Victor] Yes I remember
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I didn't really know Bill Eccles but he was up there. [Camilla] He died of arsenic poisoning I didn't really know Bill Eccles but he was up there. [Camilla] He died of arsenic poisoning
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 or something or so I was told. [Victor] I don't know. [Camilla] Don't know that? [Victor] I only just know of him by the name. [Camilla] Hhm    or something or so I was told. [Victor] I don't know. [Camilla] Don't know that? [Victor] I only just know of him by the name. [Camilla] Hhm  
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I think it's in one of these I think it's in one of these
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 books I'm not sure which one where he mentions Bill Evans and   books I'm not sure which one where he mentions Bill Evans and 
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he said he used to go into the mission to get his supplies. The only trouble is there was no Mission there he said he used to go into the mission to get his supplies. The only trouble is there was no Mission there
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 at the time [Camilla laughs] yeah [Victor] These reporters they get everything upside down..[Herbert] and  at the time [Camilla laughs] yeah [Victor] These reporters they get everything upside down..[Herbert] and
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 they said that he came there and he got taken to this place so he went down to Cairns  they said that he came there and he got taken to this place so he went down to Cairns
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and and
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 Took up the place. When Victor picked him up in Cairns..this is some time later we'll tell you about that..  Took up the place. When Victor picked him up in Cairns..this is some time later we'll tell you about that..
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shortly and uh he said he'd never ever been to Cairns. Well I know damn well he wouldn't go to Cairns shortly and uh he said he'd never ever been to Cairns. Well I know damn well he wouldn't go to Cairns
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because Cook- because Cook-
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town was the Land's Office controlling that area so he  town was the Land's Office controlling that area so he 
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went to Cooktown and uh [coughs] as he went to Cooktown and uh [coughs] as he
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said bought this boat in Cooktown that used to be said bought this boat in Cooktown that used to be
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 belonged to the I don't know the Harbour Board or whatever it was anyway   belonged to the I don't know the Harbour Board or whatever it was anyway 
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[Camilla] and he had a mining lease there or a homesteader's lease or...[Victor] Yeah [Camilla] and he had a mining lease there or a homesteader's lease or...[Victor] Yeah
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or something? [Herbert] I don't know what sort of a lease he had but uh I suppose it would be a perpetual lease wouldn't it?  or something? [Herbert] I don't know what sort of a lease he had but uh I suppose it would be a perpetual lease wouldn't it? 
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[Victor] Yeah but that expired when he died [Victor] Yeah but that expired when he died
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[Camilla] Yeah [Victor] But uh you see the reason he landed down in Cairns and I happened to be [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] But uh you see the reason he landed down in Cairns and I happened to be
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at Hayles boat to pick Raymond up and he was there. It was Oscar at Hayles boat to pick Raymond up and he was there. It was Oscar
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(.or Herbert here..) that talked him in to going to Cairns (.or Herbert here..) that talked him in to going to Cairns
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He'd been going back to Cedar Bay one time and it was too rough to go around in the boat so he left He'd been going back to Cedar Bay one time and it was too rough to go around in the boat so he left
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his boat and walking over the top of that hill and he fell his boat and walking over the top of that hill and he fell
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 down and put his shoulder out and this right arm was swinging. He couldn't use it at all  down and put his shoulder out and this right arm was swinging. He couldn't use it at all
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and Oscar said to him and Oscar said to him
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that he'd have to go to get medical attention because he couldn't go on like that that he'd have to go to get medical attention because he couldn't go on like that
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well he eventually decided well he'd go down in the boat to Cairns and well he eventually decided well he'd go down in the boat to Cairns and
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 When he arrived there I was picking Raymond up. He'd been up to Bloomfield. Bill Evans come along and uh  When he arrived there I was picking Raymond up. He'd been up to Bloomfield. Bill Evans come along and uh
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 I took him I said to him 'You know where the Hospital is that where you go?' He said 'I've never  I took him I said to him 'You know where the Hospital is that where you go?' He said 'I've never
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been in Cairns' and uh been in Cairns' and uh
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 Because I thought he came through Cairns when he came up originally but he came through the back country somewhere [Camilla] Right   Because I thought he came through Cairns when he came up originally but he came through the back country somewhere [Camilla] Right 
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[Victor] and so I took him up to the Cairns Hospital [Victor] and so I took him up to the Cairns Hospital
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and delivered him over to a nurse up there at the er counter and delivered him over to a nurse up there at the er counter
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and told her that she could look after him but that is far as I had to go but they fixed him up and told her that she could look after him but that is far as I had to go but they fixed him up
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and got his arm back into the socket and he was alright afterwards. [Camilla] Went back up on the and got his arm back into the socket and he was alright afterwards. [Camilla] Went back up on the
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Hayles boat again. [Victor] Mmm well you see we made a Hayles boat again. [Victor] Mmm well you see we made a
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(few trips in ou) on the King George and that (few trips in ou) on the King George and that
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and we went out there one time and we took some uh  and we went out there one time and we took some uh 
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 grocery supplies you see that he hadn't ordered but we took them out because we knew that he could do with    grocery supplies you see that he hadn't ordered but we took them out because we knew that he could do with  
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them and we delivered them and we delivered
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 them to him and  then talking to him about (...) got a bit lonely there   them to him and  then talking to him about (...) got a bit lonely there 
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all on his own. Well he all on his own. Well he
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 said I sometimes of an evening I'll sit on the beach and I'll see a boat go past. He said so it's not   said I sometimes of an evening I'll sit on the beach and I'll see a boat go past. He said so it's not 
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so bad. As I said if I was there and a boat went past I'd be in a terrible way if I was all on my own so bad. As I said if I was there and a boat went past I'd be in a terrible way if I was all on my own
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[laughter] [laughter]
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 There's plenty of company going past. [Camilla] I heard that he had a radio one time and  There's plenty of company going past. [Camilla] I heard that he had a radio one time and
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 It made too much noise. Too much chatter of people so he threw it in the water. [laughter] [Herbert] Could be   It made too much noise. Too much chatter of people so he threw it in the water. [laughter] [Herbert] Could be 
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[Victor] But there's no....[Herbert] Oh he was as  [Victor] But there's no....[Herbert] Oh he was as 
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looney as can be because.. [Victor] ..but you see he was a bit er looney as can be because.. [Victor] ..but you see he was a bit er
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 eccentric or something because living on his own like that and he thought up different  eccentric or something because living on his own like that and he thought up different
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 things you see and then he he sent a report away to the  things you see and then he he sent a report away to the
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some some
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Departments that the Olufsons were doing the wrong thing with the Aborigines Departments that the Olufsons were doing the wrong thing with the Aborigines
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 at Bloomfield and..[Herbert] Had stolen the Mission from the Abos [Victor] Yeah and uh  at Bloomfield and..[Herbert] Had stolen the Mission from the Abos [Victor] Yeah and uh
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And the police came and dealt to them with batons and they'd run to the bush And the police came and dealt to them with batons and they'd run to the bush
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 and so the sergeant in Cooktown got asked questioned about it to query this    and so the sergeant in Cooktown got asked questioned about it to query this  
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so so
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the Sergeant Griffin that was stationed in Cooktown he came down to Bloomfield to investigate the Sergeant Griffin that was stationed in Cooktown he came down to Bloomfield to investigate
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 you see the police were implicated so he got  you see the police were implicated so he got
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our Herbert in our King George he took Sergeant Griffin out to Cedar Bay to interview our Herbert in our King George he took Sergeant Griffin out to Cedar Bay to interview
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Bill Evans and while they when they..because I wasn't there to know Bill Evans and while they when they..because I wasn't there to know
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 what went on but the sergeant told me when he came back that he said he gave  what went on but the sergeant told me when he came back that he said he gave
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Herbert all the opportunity in the world to knock him down Herbert all the opportunity in the world to knock him down
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[laughter] and he said he didn't. Well I said it would be a brave man who knocked another fellow down in front of a policeman [Camilla] Yeah [laughter]  [laughter] and he said he didn't. Well I said it would be a brave man who knocked another fellow down in front of a policeman [Camilla] Yeah [laughter] 
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Well it was all a pack of lies because Well it was all a pack of lies because
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he had no..he couldn't he had no..he couldn't
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substantiate anything. [Camilla] Yeah. Where did he get the idea of you taking taking the Mission because you  substantiate anything. [Camilla] Yeah. Where did he get the idea of you taking taking the Mission because you 
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 had the lease up there. [Victor] Yeah [Camilla] Right [Victor] There was no Mission there. [Herbert] He wouldn't even know that [Camilla] There was no... Mmm  had the lease up there. [Victor] Yeah [Camilla] Right [Victor] There was no Mission there. [Herbert] He wouldn't even know that [Camilla] There was no... Mmm
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He wouldn't even know that we had a lease of the place He wouldn't even know that we had a lease of the place
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[Camilla] No [Victor] But at the same time we always helped him as best we could and that's the story that he [Camilla] No [Victor] But at the same time we always helped him as best we could and that's the story that he
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 he made up and then when he was in trouble the time that the 2 fellows came up from down at  he made up and then when he was in trouble the time that the 2 fellows came up from down at
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Cairns in a boat and pulled in there and tied him up Cairns in a boat and pulled in there and tied him up
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and wanted to know where his money was and all this sort of thing and they tortured him the and wanted to know where his money was and all this sort of thing and they tortured him the
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person that he came to was Oscar for help. Oscar took him in free of charge person that he came to was Oscar for help. Oscar took him in free of charge
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to Cooktown to the to the police and er when the police to Cooktown to the to the police and er when the police
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had pages of what went on while these fellows were torturing him. They tied him up and wouldn't let him  had pages of what went on while these fellows were torturing him. They tied him up and wouldn't let him 
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have a drink of water or anything have a drink of water or anything
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to eat or that and in his write up he said to eat or that and in his write up he said
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that at the finish they were tying him to a log and they were going to tow this log out to sea that at the finish they were tying him to a log and they were going to tow this log out to sea
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and let him go but and let him go but
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 but he managed to get away when they weren't careful about it..he said he  but he managed to get away when they weren't careful about it..he said he
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got away got away
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 and run into the bush and he hid from them until they went and then he rested  and run into the bush and he hid from them until they went and then he rested
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for about 2 days before he came into Bloomfield and uh for about 2 days before he came into Bloomfield and uh
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 When he got into Cooktown with this screed that he had written out of what went on and the Sergeant told us that   When he got into Cooktown with this screed that he had written out of what went on and the Sergeant told us that 
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he was astounded [laughs] He said it would be something like a wild west business in America [Camilla laughs] Yeah  he was astounded [laughs] He said it would be something like a wild west business in America [Camilla laughs] Yeah 
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[laughter] [laughter]
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 So he got him sent up to the Hospital to test him out to see how sane he was [Camilla laughs]  So he got him sent up to the Hospital to test him out to see how sane he was [Camilla laughs]
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And the doctor gave him the okay [laughs] [Camilla] So what he wrote And the doctor gave him the okay [laughs] [Camilla] So what he wrote
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may or may not have been the truth. Do you think what he wrote down was the truth! [Victor] Well I think may or may not have been the truth. Do you think what he wrote down was the truth! [Victor] Well I think
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it would be fairly well. [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] Because because the 2 fellows came from it would be fairly well. [Camilla] Yeah [Victor] Because because the 2 fellows came from
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a beach just north of uh a beach just north of uh
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They did catch up with them afterwards and I think it was 4 years jail they got. [Camilla] Right [Victor] So there was a lot in it  They did catch up with them afterwards and I think it was 4 years jail they got. [Camilla] Right [Victor] So there was a lot in it 
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 it was fairly right because it  it was fairly right because it
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