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Today is the 19th of May 1993 and I'm interviewing Betty Blair, now Betty  Today is the 19th of May 1993 and I'm interviewing Betty Blair, now Betty 
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Gill, about her years at Somerville House.  Betty, can you tell me Gill, about her years at Somerville House.  Betty, can you tell me
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a little bit about your family background before you went to Somerville? Well, we a little bit about your family background before you went to Somerville? Well, we
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lived at Auchenflower. My father was the Manager for lived at Auchenflower. My father was the Manager for
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Queensland for  the International Harvester Company. I had no brothers or sisters  Queensland for  the International Harvester Company. I had no brothers or sisters 
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and I went to and I went to
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a comparatively small school, Lumeah High School for Girls, and I mention it a comparatively small school, Lumeah High School for Girls, and I mention it
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particularly because the principal, who was a charming and nice person, particularly because the principal, who was a charming and nice person,
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a Miss Brabazon, had been on the staff at Somerville House and I feel that in a Miss Brabazon, had been on the staff at Somerville House and I feel that in
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a way she was starting a way she was starting
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a mini Somerville House at Lumeah. But at any rate,  I was unfortunate a mini Somerville House at Lumeah. But at any rate,  I was unfortunate
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enough to be ill for over a  year so I really didn't go  to school at all enough to be ill for over a  year so I really didn't go  to school at all
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was was
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about 1929,  I think, and then  I went back to Lumeah  until about 1929,  I think, and then  I went back to Lumeah  until
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1931 and they decided, the parents decided, that it was time 1931 and they decided, the parents decided, that it was time
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to move me and I heartily agreed. I wanted to go to to move me and I heartily agreed. I wanted to go to
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a bigger school so I was supposed to go to St Margaret's cause we were an a bigger school so I was supposed to go to St Margaret's cause we were an
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Anglican family but the doctor said , too much travelling, it's too far for her. Anglican family but the doctor said , too much travelling, it's too far for her.
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In the mean time  In the mean time 
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a number of girls had left Lumeah and  gone to Somerville   and I had a number of girls had left Lumeah and  gone to Somerville   and I had
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a cousin,  Peggy Petrie,  who was  a cousin,  Peggy Petrie,  who was 
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a student at Somerville  so that's where I went a student at Somerville  so that's where I went
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and. I went in the beginning of and. I went in the beginning of
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1932 after missing, I suppose, about six weeks of term because   1932 after missing, I suppose, about six weeks of term because  
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there was polio epidemic on and as  there was polio epidemic on and as 
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a matter of fact 1932 I think you know was a matter of fact 1932 I think you know was
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a period of change for the school. And also a period of change for the school. And also
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a time of some anxiety because of the epidemic and Miss a time of some anxiety because of the epidemic and Miss
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Harker had retired the year before but we got to know her - I got to know her - Harker had retired the year before but we got to know her - I got to know her -
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because she lived on in the boarding school and  she was very because she lived on in the boarding school and  she was very
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active,  she was president of the Old active,  she was president of the Old
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Girls Association, she compiled the notes for the magazine,  for the Old Girls. Girls Association, she compiled the notes for the magazine,  for the Old Girls.
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So that  she was very much still involved with us and Miss Jarrett and Miss Harker had So that  she was very much still involved with us and Miss Jarrett and Miss Harker had
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this greater attraction at the boarding school in those days -  their parrot, Archie - this greater attraction at the boarding school in those days -  their parrot, Archie -
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she was very, very aged and his  feathers were not what they should have been but the she was very, very aged and his  feathers were not what they should have been but the
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ladies , Miss Jarrett and Miss Harker,  looked after him so well that he lived on, I think, for ladies , Miss Jarrett and Miss Harker,  looked after him so well that he lived on, I think, for
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another 15 another 15
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years  or something like that. But at any rate to  combat the polio years  or something like that. But at any rate to  combat the polio
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epidemic there of course was no swimming -  swimming pool was closed -. No inter-school swimming, no epidemic there of course was no swimming -  swimming pool was closed -. No inter-school swimming, no
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swimming, no rock break-up, children below the age of 10  swimming, no rock break-up, children below the age of 10 
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didn't come to school and the ones who did come - the day girls - had to didn't come to school and the ones who did come - the day girls - had to
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join with the borders in gargling every morning before going into school, and in fact join with the borders in gargling every morning before going into school, and in fact
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this, I ... this provoked a this, I ... this provoked a
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 illustration, the cartoon really in the magazine for 1932 and it showed  illustration, the cartoon really in the magazine for 1932 and it showed
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that 2 gentleman standing outside the wall of Somerville House holding a copy of that 2 gentleman standing outside the wall of Somerville House holding a copy of
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'What bird is that?' and underneath the drawing appeared the verse 'Huh what is  'What bird is that?' and underneath the drawing appeared the verse 'Huh what is 
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that I hear, birds singing sweet and clear?  No. But don't you know it's the B G that I hear, birds singing sweet and clear?  No. But don't you know it's the B G
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H S gargling show'. So you know it was recorded in the magazine. H S gargling show'. So you know it was recorded in the magazine.
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But the school took all sorts of precautions, I remember But the school took all sorts of precautions, I remember
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the desks were very widely spaced as we weren't, you know, and in the desks were very widely spaced as we weren't, you know, and in
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those days I think the classrooms were much more open to the air than they are now those days I think the classrooms were much more open to the air than they are now
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and I know the rain used to  drift in. Not quite hit us but it came in but anyhow and I know the rain used to  drift in. Not quite hit us but it came in but anyhow
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we were lucky we didn't have any any polio.  So that was good and we were lucky we didn't have any any polio.  So that was good and
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then the 1st school happening then the 1st school happening
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happening I suppose that I remember very clearly was the laying of the happening I suppose that I remember very clearly was the laying of the
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foundation stone for the library by Miss Harker and foundation stone for the library by Miss Harker and
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that was on the 23rd of May 1934 that was on the 23rd of May 1934
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1934 and then the official opening of the  library took place in October that year 1934 and then the official opening of the  library took place in October that year
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Leslie Orme-Wilson opened it, Sir Lesley Orme-Wilson.  And it was Leslie Orme-Wilson opened it, Sir Lesley Orme-Wilson.  And it was
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interesting to me, I didn't know, of course, but I was to become eventually in interesting to me, I didn't know, of course, but I was to become eventually in
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1935 1935
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a reference librarian and I was always keen on the library  and it was a reference librarian and I was always keen on the library  and it was
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interesting because we had this Old Girl of the school, Orma Howard-Smith, interesting because we had this Old Girl of the school, Orma Howard-Smith,
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Mrs T.P. Fry,   and she taught us how to catalogue  the books using Mrs T.P. Fry,   and she taught us how to catalogue  the books using
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 plan based on the Dewey system    plan based on the Dewey system  
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system and this was  really very interesting for us system and this was  really very interesting for us
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 of my chief enjoyments, I suppose, at School was with the Library. I  of my chief enjoyments, I suppose, at School was with the Library. I
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library. I just loved it.  Then library. I just loved it.  Then
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other things that  I remember about  school  was the gargling and then other things that  I remember about  school  was the gargling and then
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the athletic practices at the South Brisbane cricket ground. We'd arrive there about,  the athletic practices at the South Brisbane cricket ground. We'd arrive there about, 
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 this was before the inter-school sport, and I was in the ball games and what else?  this was before the inter-school sport, and I was in the ball games and what else?
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of the relay, the B relay.  And  at any rate, we'd go there about half of the relay, the B relay.  And  at any rate, we'd go there about half
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past 7 in the morning and go through our paces and trot back to school and past 7 in the morning and go through our paces and trot back to school and
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 at school we were given a glass of milk  at school we were given a glass of milk
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 and 2 arrowroot biscuits and this was to fortify us after our [laughs]  and 2 arrowroot biscuits and this was to fortify us after our [laughs]
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[efforts?...] and it was rather nice. I quite enjoyed that and then - what  [efforts?...] and it was rather nice. I quite enjoyed that and then - what 
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 else do I remember?  Oh, the French songs  - Miss George um produced  else do I remember?  Oh, the French songs  - Miss George um produced
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 French songs because we broke up -  at least we had our prize distribution in June  French songs because we broke up -  at least we had our prize distribution in June
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in those days rather than  December, and so we'd start to get ready for the French songs in those days rather than  December, and so we'd start to get ready for the French songs
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in June and I remember my poor mother struggling to make a [laughs] in June and I remember my poor mother struggling to make a [laughs]
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 French Soldier's Costume, which I had to wear, but she did and um   French Soldier's Costume, which I had to wear, but she did and um 
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and then also I had to have a sword, carry a sword so  and then also I had to have a sword, carry a sword so 
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I got in touch with my grandfather and he - I had his sword so I got in touch with my grandfather and he - I had his sword so
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 that was quite exciting you know we really enjoyed that, a French Song. Then what else did we do  that was quite exciting you know we really enjoyed that, a French Song. Then what else did we do
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 Shakespeare's Birthday Celebrations [laughs]. I tell you English was my favourite subject   Shakespeare's Birthday Celebrations [laughs]. I tell you English was my favourite subject 
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of course, always and history and anyway. of course, always and history and anyway.
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In 1936 we celebrated Shakespeare's Birthday In 1936 we celebrated Shakespeare's Birthday
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 'Hamlet', some scenes from 'Hamlet', because that was our set play for Senior   'Hamlet', some scenes from 'Hamlet', because that was our set play for Senior 
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and I had to be Hamlet and "Oh dear I was nervous!"  and I had to be Hamlet and "Oh dear I was nervous!" 
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 but what really [laughs] what really upset me, I was wearing our long black school stockings and  but what really [laughs] what really upset me, I was wearing our long black school stockings and
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you know black trouser things, shorts, a sort of doublet and hose business and  you know black trouser things, shorts, a sort of doublet and hose business and 
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I felt a ladder start and went 'ssssz' down there and you know how conscious  I felt a ladder start and went 'ssssz' down there and you know how conscious 
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 self conscious you are up on the platform. So that's what happened to me with that.  self conscious you are up on the platform. So that's what happened to me with that.
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 And then and oh then of course we had our Day girl's  And then and oh then of course we had our Day girl's
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- Boarder sports and the Day Girls - Boarder sports and the Day Girls
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carried the banner - I remember a long stick with an Uncle carried the banner - I remember a long stick with an Uncle
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 Toby's Oats packet on the top, because they were the healthy ones and the Day Girl's  Toby's Oats packet on the top, because they were the healthy ones and the Day Girl's
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 - they were the pampered ones - had a chocolate bar on top of theirs [laughs] and  - they were the pampered ones - had a chocolate bar on top of theirs [laughs] and
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um anyway we had, you know, good good fun with that and um um anyway we had, you know, good good fun with that and um
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What else did we do? What else did we do?
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I think I was a fairly, fairly I think I was a fairly, fairly
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biddable child at school but I remember in I think it was about 19- biddable child at school but I remember in I think it was about 19-
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19- 19-
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'35. And we had Hazel Gray for Zoology '35. And we had Hazel Gray for Zoology
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and she asked me to get a box of frogs  and she asked me to get a box of frogs 
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from the University pond and the University was down you know the end of George Street. from the University pond and the University was down you know the end of George Street.
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And so I went down and I got these poor frogs and then I thought And so I went down and I got these poor frogs and then I thought
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You know 'I'll have a bit of fun about this' You know 'I'll have a bit of fun about this'
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so - have you seen those frog cakes that you can buy? Sort of ... [Interviewer] No [Betty].. Cakes made out so - have you seen those frog cakes that you can buy? Sort of ... [Interviewer] No [Betty].. Cakes made out
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made like green frogs.  They were very popular at that time. I saw some the other day they're still made like green frogs.  They were very popular at that time. I saw some the other day they're still
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[Betty] around. [Interviewer] Cakes that you eat? [Betty] Pardon?  [Interviewer] Cakes that you eat? That you eat, yes, cake that you eat for children. [Interviewer] I've never seen [Betty] around. [Interviewer] Cakes that you eat? [Betty] Pardon?  [Interviewer] Cakes that you eat? That you eat, yes, cake that you eat for children. [Interviewer] I've never seen
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them. At children's parties yes. Anyhow, so I think I bought four of those and put them in a box them. At children's parties yes. Anyhow, so I think I bought four of those and put them in a box
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just the same as the one  just the same as the one 
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 live frogs in and presented it to Miss Gray in class  live frogs in and presented it to Miss Gray in class
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and she had you know the pad and she had you know the pad
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with the choloform on already and she sort of...cause you know, she was so [laughter] with the choloform on already and she sort of...cause you know, she was so [laughter]
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and put it straight in [laughter] and there was no movement in the box and she threw back the lid and put it straight in [laughter] and there was no movement in the box and she threw back the lid
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and I then I had to come clean [laughter] and presented her with the real frogs and at lunch time and I then I had to come clean [laughter] and presented her with the real frogs and at lunch time
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she sent for me and I thought now trouble - but no, she said Betty "I just wanted to tell you how much we she sent for me and I thought now trouble - but no, she said Betty "I just wanted to tell you how much we
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enjoyed the cakes for lunch".[laughter] So that was that. [Interviewer]She had a lovely sense of humour. Oh  enjoyed the cakes for lunch".[laughter] So that was that. [Interviewer]She had a lovely sense of humour. Oh 
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she was - she was a lovely teacher. Yes. and as a matter of fact you know one of the  she was - she was a lovely teacher. Yes. and as a matter of fact you know one of the 
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the things that I think I'm most grateful for is exposed  the things that I think I'm most grateful for is exposed 
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to these wonderful teachers Miss George and Miss Morgan, Miss Gray to these wonderful teachers Miss George and Miss Morgan, Miss Gray
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dear little dear little
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Florence McCally who taught me music and I think perhaps most of all Miss Craig Florence McCally who taught me music and I think perhaps most of all Miss Craig
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became Vice Principal 1932, the year I went became Vice Principal 1932, the year I went
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and then subsequently of course Principal after I'd left, but she was the most wonderful person. and then subsequently of course Principal after I'd left, but she was the most wonderful person.
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ah ah
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and um I think they all - I had her for English and ah and um I think they all - I had her for English and ah
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and French and uh I did French first of all with Miss George and I wasn't particularly good and French and uh I did French first of all with Miss George and I wasn't particularly good
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with French when I had Mr George because she was - as you know she was a perfectionist with French when I had Mr George because she was - as you know she was a perfectionist
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and and
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 I think we upset her when we didn't do well. So at any rate, with great joy I went to Miss Craig's  I think we upset her when we didn't do well. So at any rate, with great joy I went to Miss Craig's
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division for French and got on like a house on fire in fact I think I came division for French and got on like a house on fire in fact I think I came
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first, you know I was happy, I was relaxed. Then I went back to Miss George's class  first, you know I was happy, I was relaxed. Then I went back to Miss George's class 
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and I plummeted again but however I did sit for Senior in 193 - no Junior 1934 and I plummeted again but however I did sit for Senior in 193 - no Junior 1934
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and passed and Senior in um 1936  and passed and Senior in um 1936 
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and 1936 was a busy year because I was and 1936 was a busy year because I was
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involved with the Library and Sports Club assistance - assistance Sports Club involved with the Library and Sports Club assistance - assistance Sports Club
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secretary treasurer I think was my title, and a member of The School secretary treasurer I think was my title, and a member of The School
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Committee and I was School Captain because the captain of 6A was the School captain Committee and I was School Captain because the captain of 6A was the School captain
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and um I did - I did have I suppose you know responsibility but I  and um I did - I did have I suppose you know responsibility but I 
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I enjoyed it, I was on the Magazine Committee which I I enjoyed it, I was on the Magazine Committee which I
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 dragging contributions out of people, [laughs] but we were lucky we had, in our  dragging contributions out of people, [laughs] but we were lucky we had, in our
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in our group we had some very able people and they were - they were very in our group we had some very able people and they were - they were very
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good and they'd write something for me to hand in and um we had a few sadnesses of course. good and they'd write something for me to hand in and um we had a few sadnesses of course.
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We had the death of a boarder, a most delightful person, Jane Palms We had the death of a boarder, a most delightful person, Jane Palms
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and at that stage we were in - I was in 6A and we had to  and at that stage we were in - I was in 6A and we had to 
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or didn't - a case of having to - but Miss Jarrett or didn't - a case of having to - but Miss Jarrett
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asked would we go to her service - her funeral service which we did and we asked would we go to her service - her funeral service which we did and we
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had the pleasure of meeting Mrs Palm's who is a wonderful person had the pleasure of meeting Mrs Palm's who is a wonderful person
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and then of course you know we got the commemorative window, the raising of Jarrett's and then of course you know we got the commemorative window, the raising of Jarrett's
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[Jarvers's daughter?] and then the other thing [Jarvers's daughter?] and then the other thing
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contributed articles to the magazine before, in you know a previous magazine - before contributed articles to the magazine before, in you know a previous magazine - before
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Joy, Joy no Audrey. Audrey Coiner - and she apparently died  Joy, Joy no Audrey. Audrey Coiner - and she apparently died 
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very suddenly so that cast a gloom over things too but um.. very suddenly so that cast a gloom over things too but um..
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I...mm? [Interviewer] Yes you did have a busy senior year, I think I...mm? [Interviewer] Yes you did have a busy senior year, I think
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you were also a member of the athletics team.[Betty] Oh yes I was [Interviewer] And I think I read that you were the   you were also a member of the athletics team.[Betty] Oh yes I was [Interviewer] And I think I read that you were the  
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elected winner of the Lorna Robertson cup. [Betty] Yes, I was. [Interviewer] Which is quite elected winner of the Lorna Robertson cup. [Betty] Yes, I was. [Interviewer] Which is quite
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[Betty] Oh yes...  [Interviewer] Because what I read said was that it was for a high standard in scholastic [Betty] Oh yes...  [Interviewer] Because what I read said was that it was for a high standard in scholastic
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achievement and sport and leadership and public spirit. Yes. So that  achievement and sport and leadership and public spirit. Yes. So that 
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really recognised you as quite a special person I think. Well I really recognised you as quite a special person I think. Well I
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 felt very, very honoured and surprised when I got it and..  felt very, very honoured and surprised when I got it and..
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[Interviewer] I wonder how you ever found time to study that year because that was your senior year? [Betty] That was the senior year. [Interviewer] I wonder how you ever found time to study that year because that was your senior year? [Betty] That was the senior year.
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Well I didn't do as much as I should have I suppose and uh [Interviewer laughs] Well I didn't do as much as I should have I suppose and uh [Interviewer laughs]
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I think it was touch and go with Zoology [laughs] but I did. I think I got a B  I think it was touch and go with Zoology [laughs] but I did. I think I got a B 
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in the end. [Interviewer] You got a prize for English, essay work and magazine contributions. [Betty] Yes in the end. [Interviewer] You got a prize for English, essay work and magazine contributions. [Betty] Yes
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..which is not at all surprising because I think from your very first term  ..which is not at all surprising because I think from your very first term 
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there you'd been  contributing to the magazine. I think you in - 1932 you contributed there you'd been  contributing to the magazine. I think you in - 1932 you contributed
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an essay entitled "The Autobiograph of the An Old Hat" [Betty] Oh yes. an essay entitled "The Autobiograph of the An Old Hat" [Betty] Oh yes.
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 that's right yes. [Interviewer] ..and then every year after that there were at least 2 contributions [Betty] Yes.   that's right yes. [Interviewer] ..and then every year after that there were at least 2 contributions [Betty] Yes. 
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Until 1936 when you obviously had too much to do..Yes.. and you only managed to get one in [laughter] [Betty] Yes Until 1936 when you obviously had too much to do..Yes.. and you only managed to get one in [laughter] [Betty] Yes
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and also um I was sometimes asked to report..Yes.. various  and also um I was sometimes asked to report..Yes.. various 
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talks - visitors to the School and this was so interesting, I really did enjoy that very much. [Interviewer] Yes there were some talks - visitors to the School and this was so interesting, I really did enjoy that very much. [Interviewer] Yes there were some
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interesting ones. [Betty] Yes it was most interesting and um but you know interesting ones. [Betty] Yes it was most interesting and um but you know
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but in a much small school but in a much small school
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then I think there were about 350 or 360 or something when I - when I then I think there were about 350 or 360 or something when I - when I
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went in 1932 and we were closely knit and um went in 1932 and we were closely knit and um
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and there was this - this great, I suppose the outstanding thing would probably and there was this - this great, I suppose the outstanding thing would probably
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 be loyalty - it's still there - you know loyalty to the School and the staff.  be loyalty - it's still there - you know loyalty to the School and the staff.
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They were so loyal to the Principals and they did all sorts of things to that they They were so loyal to the Principals and they did all sorts of things to that they
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they really weren't expected but they'd anything to help and they'd always help they really weren't expected but they'd anything to help and they'd always help
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if we asked - we had troubles with our um our uh.. if we asked - we had troubles with our um our uh..
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and then we girls I think supported each other and also and then we girls I think supported each other and also
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I think we felt very motherly towards the little ones. See I wasn't in Junior school I had all that part I think we felt very motherly towards the little ones. See I wasn't in Junior school I had all that part
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at Lumeah High School but the little ones sometimes came up  at Lumeah High School but the little ones sometimes came up 
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to the big School and I remember Miss Craig telling me that  to the big School and I remember Miss Craig telling me that 
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she had the misfortune to break her ankle and the little ones came up to see her some times she had the misfortune to break her ankle and the little ones came up to see her some times
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she said, she had this ankle sort of sitting tucked up under her desk she said, she had this ankle sort of sitting tucked up under her desk
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and the little ones used to drop pennies or something on the floor and bend down  and the little ones used to drop pennies or something on the floor and bend down 
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to pick it up so that they could see this leg in plaster they wanted to see what it looked like [laughs] to pick it up so that they could see this leg in plaster they wanted to see what it looked like [laughs]
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but um...Tell me where was the Lumeah High School because I'm sure sure it's  but um...Tell me where was the Lumeah High School because I'm sure sure it's 
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 gone.  gone.
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Oh yes it's gone. It was in Kellet no not Kellet - Jones. Jones  Oh yes it's gone. It was in Kellet no not Kellet - Jones. Jones 
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Street Auchenflower...Ohh... and it stretched through to mm what - Dart Street Street Auchenflower...Ohh... and it stretched through to mm what - Dart Street
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at the back..Yes..  wasn't it? Mm. It stretched through to that and there was a boarding you know at the back..Yes..  wasn't it? Mm. It stretched through to that and there was a boarding you know
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the house was the boarding school and then the house was the boarding school and then
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it was quite a big wooden building  it was quite a big wooden building 
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for the classrooms in front and then for the classrooms in front and then
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you know it was just before I left, that's right - Miss Bravison sadly, she sold it, to an English woman you know it was just before I left, that's right - Miss Bravison sadly, she sold it, to an English woman
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a Mrs Dargan and it moved a Mrs Dargan and it moved
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to another oldish house  to another oldish house 
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almost at the tram terminus, at the Toowong tram terminus and I went there almost at the tram terminus, at the Toowong tram terminus and I went there
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for the last 2 years - '30 um '29 & '30 for the last 2 years - '30 um '29 & '30
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no, no sorry '30 & '31 and um no, no sorry '30 & '31 and um
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It wasn't the same and I was very It wasn't the same and I was very
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anxious really to leave it but I had to put up a bit of a battle because having been ill I had anxious really to leave it but I had to put up a bit of a battle because having been ill I had
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this Doctor this Doctor
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who was you know he said I wasn't to do any exams who was you know he said I wasn't to do any exams
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and I said you know "bother that" and I became so and I said you know "bother that" and I became so
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much better, well you know my health improved, and I was able to do both exams and then to go onto University much better, well you know my health improved, and I was able to do both exams and then to go onto University
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to do Arts/Journalism which was interrupted. to do Arts/Journalism which was interrupted.
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..for some years, because I had to - they changed the course a bit, and you had to ..for some years, because I had to - they changed the course a bit, and you had to
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get quite a backing of practical experience in Journalism get quite a backing of practical experience in Journalism
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so I went to work for Doctor Noel Gutteridge and um so I went to work for Doctor Noel Gutteridge and um
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he had a wonderful library and this was at my he had a wonderful library and this was at my
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disposal and I wrote the health and hygiene broadcasts for the ABC for the school  disposal and I wrote the health and hygiene broadcasts for the ABC for the school 
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children for some years. That was  children for some years. That was 
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quite interesting - I'd dramatise a visit to the dentist etc quite interesting - I'd dramatise a visit to the dentist etc
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and umn and umn
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then also wrote articles for him - I was really his ghostwriter I suppose then also wrote articles for him - I was really his ghostwriter I suppose
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for Lancets and various for Lancets and various
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other you know medical journals and then  other you know medical journals and then 
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I got married and left Brisbane and we went up to Townsville and um I got married and left Brisbane and we went up to Townsville and um
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and then of course I had the family the 2 girls, and I didn't go back and then of course I had the family the 2 girls, and I didn't go back
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to finish my degree until it was about to finish my degree until it was about
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1974 I think or '73 - and I had a marvellous time. 1974 I think or '73 - and I had a marvellous time.
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I had a wonderful time. They let me I didn't go in as ah I had a wonderful time. They let me I didn't go in as ah
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mature students they let me count everything  mature students they let me count everything 
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I've done before which was very nice and they let me do anything I wanted to I've done before which was very nice and they let me do anything I wanted to
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I had a marvellous time. I concentrated, majored in History, Ancient History I had a marvellous time. I concentrated, majored in History, Ancient History
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and English literature, and I had a lovely time and I graduated and English literature, and I had a lovely time and I graduated
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I um yes graduated in 1976 so I um yes graduated in 1976 so
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With the help of the girls and my husband - they were marvellous, they lived casseroles. [laughter] With the help of the girls and my husband - they were marvellous, they lived casseroles. [laughter]
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I think that sounds quite good when I was studying my family lived on baked beans [laughs]. Oh well yes but I think that sounds quite good when I was studying my family lived on baked beans [laughs]. Oh well yes but
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Yes, but I kept my links with the school as long as I could whilst we were in Brisbane. Yes, but I kept my links with the school as long as I could whilst we were in Brisbane.
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I went onto the committee you know after I left School I went onto the committee you know after I left School
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and then in 19 - was it - oh I forget the date but I  and then in 19 - was it - oh I forget the date but I 
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I finally got went back to the committee and I know Rosemary was a baby and I finally got went back to the committee and I know Rosemary was a baby and
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Elizabeth was at Somerville just Elizabeth was at Somerville just
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 then it must have been 1966 - yes - 1966  then it must have been 1966 - yes - 1966
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I was president of the OGA until 1969 when I retired. I was president of the OGA until 1969 when I retired.
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So I have kept.... and have you ever read - in the brochure So I have kept.... and have you ever read - in the brochure
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in the part that deals with Miss Craig, have you ever read what she said about in the part that deals with Miss Craig, have you ever read what she said about
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the Old Girls Association [Interviewer] No I haven't. [Betty] Well I'll read it, it's only a little bit and I think its marvellous the Old Girls Association [Interviewer] No I haven't. [Betty] Well I'll read it, it's only a little bit and I think its marvellous
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I mustn't  I mustn't 
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unhook myself. [looking through paper] Where are we, no that's - here we are unhook myself. [looking through paper] Where are we, no that's - here we are
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[still looking] [still looking]
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This was  This was 
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[...] um and Miss Craig said "It must not be forgotten that the Old Girls are still a part of the school.. [...] um and Miss Craig said "It must not be forgotten that the Old Girls are still a part of the school..
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more our Doctors, Teachers, Nurses, Office girls and above all, those who are the mothers"  more our Doctors, Teachers, Nurses, Office girls and above all, those who are the mothers" 
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of the rising generation are not only still part of the School but they are the School in of the rising generation are not only still part of the School but they are the School in
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its fullest expression, it's ultimate justification or its ultimate condemnation.  its fullest expression, it's ultimate justification or its ultimate condemnation. 
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We're proud of their record."  I think that was good, you know.  Mmm. You know very We're proud of their record."  I think that was good, you know.  Mmm. You know very
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very apt very apt
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and um....And you're certainly, your record is certainly something the School can be pleased with and um....And you're certainly, your record is certainly something the School can be pleased with
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Oh well you know you look back and you think of the all the things you'd like to have done as well. Oh well you know you look back and you think of the all the things you'd like to have done as well.
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There was such a lot offering at School There was such a lot offering at School
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particularly compared   particularly compared  
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with what was offering at Lumeah, and um I just loved it. And you  with what was offering at Lumeah, and um I just loved it. And you 
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lapped it up and got involved in so many things. Yes. And all the writing and all those contributions lapped it up and got involved in so many things. Yes. And all the writing and all those contributions
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and the work in the library, were they what encouraged you to go into journalism, did teachers have any influence? and the work in the library, were they what encouraged you to go into journalism, did teachers have any influence?
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did the teacher's have any influence or? Well I always liked writing. I wrote  did the teacher's have any influence or? Well I always liked writing. I wrote 
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stories from the time I could write you know children's stories stories from the time I could write you know children's stories
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and ah when I got um there wasn't quite an outlet at Lumeah for writing. I think and ah when I got um there wasn't quite an outlet at Lumeah for writing. I think
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 I won an essay prize for something or other then and um got  I won an essay prize for something or other then and um got
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 things in the Courier Mail you know with the - in the Children's Corner but then when I got to  things in the Courier Mail you know with the - in the Children's Corner but then when I got to
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Somerville we had this dear lady Mrs Walker, an elderly lady, Somerville we had this dear lady Mrs Walker, an elderly lady,
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who was form mistress and she was most encouraging and when she decided I liked writing who was form mistress and she was most encouraging and when she decided I liked writing
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She really she asked me to write a sort of  She really she asked me to write a sort of 
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continuation of Gulliver's Travels which got into the magazine and continuation of Gulliver's Travels which got into the magazine and
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she encouraged me and the next thing  she encouraged me and the next thing 
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Miss George and Miss Morgan, they were most encouraging Miss George and Miss Morgan, they were most encouraging
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too and um they made it too and um they made it
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was my chief interest. And the Library. And English. was my chief interest. And the Library. And English.
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I was hopeless absolutely hopeless at Maths, just a closed book, but  I was hopeless absolutely hopeless at Maths, just a closed book, but 
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English I loved English I loved
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and I was fortunate to have - I had Miss Morgan, first Mrs Walker, then Miss Morgan and I was fortunate to have - I had Miss Morgan, first Mrs Walker, then Miss Morgan
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and I didn't have Miss George sad to say, I only had her for French, but I had Miss Craig and I didn't have Miss George sad to say, I only had her for French, but I had Miss Craig
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for Senior English for Senior English
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and she made it terribly interesting so I got lots of encouragement and she made it terribly interesting so I got lots of encouragement
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there and I think they did suggest I might go on and do journalism there and I think they did suggest I might go on and do journalism
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Mm. So um and what I've  Mm. So um and what I've 
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done now, although it is in a way, I have written  done now, although it is in a way, I have written 
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articles for the ADB, the Australian Dictionary of Biography, which is just beside you  articles for the ADB, the Australian Dictionary of Biography, which is just beside you 
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there and I've done - I've tried to get in people from Somerville and you'll  there and I've done - I've tried to get in people from Somerville and you'll 
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find that I think that that one - there's um - I did one for Miss Harker find that I think that that one - there's um - I did one for Miss Harker
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ah ah
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I did. Miss Harker is in this one. Pardon? Miss Harker is in this one I've got. Is in that. I did. Miss Harker is in this one. Pardon? Miss Harker is in this one I've got. Is in that.
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On page 199.  Yes that's right. Yes well I did one for her. This is Vol. 9. And then this On page 199.  Yes that's right. Yes well I did one for her. This is Vol. 9. And then this
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Muriel Payton, Sister Payton Muriel Payton, Sister Payton
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you'll find her in the brochure. In Vol. 11.  I did one for her and then I have just done one    you'll find her in the brochure. In Vol. 11.  I did one for her and then I have just done one   
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um [...] up here, which has been accepted, but not yet  um [...] up here, which has been accepted, but not yet 
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printed for Miss Craig, and this  printed for Miss Craig, and this 
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um art um volume so I'm quite pleased about that. Isn't that wonderful. um art um volume so I'm quite pleased about that. Isn't that wonderful.
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So that belongs to the ADB and I'm doing someone else, I've got another Old Girl I'm So that belongs to the ADB and I'm doing someone else, I've got another Old Girl I'm
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 working on at the moment. They are based in Canberra, at the University, and they wrote and asked me  working on at the moment. They are based in Canberra, at the University, and they wrote and asked me
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um Hazel Harrison and um Hazel Harrison - there was a photograph in her of her   um Hazel Harrison and um Hazel Harrison - there was a photograph in her of her  
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in one of the magazines. She was in one of the magazines. She was
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there about 1922, I think, and she was a kindergartener and she went to Adelaide and that's there about 1922, I think, and she was a kindergartener and she went to Adelaide and that's
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and that's really where she  and that's really where she 
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flourished and anyway with the aid of the  flourished and anyway with the aid of the 
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magazine I was able to track a bit down about her, so that'll be the next  magazine I was able to track a bit down about her, so that'll be the next 
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one. I'll do Hazel Harrison after this one. Then I've got another woman - I like doing women - you know biographies one. I'll do Hazel Harrison after this one. Then I've got another woman - I like doing women - you know biographies
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of women and um I've got another another one, but she's not an old girl, she's a philanthropist of women and um I've got another another one, but she's not an old girl, she's a philanthropist
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Miss Eddie Greenwood but um Miss Eddie Greenwood but um
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so that I have tried to still keep the Old Girls you know the School in - to make sure they get   so that I have tried to still keep the Old Girls you know the School in - to make sure they get  
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their due justification in those volumes. their due justification in those volumes.
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And your journalism has been a life activity now.  Oh. Well, it's been ah yes And your journalism has been a life activity now.  Oh. Well, it's been ah yes
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I suppose it has really. I've written whenever  given the chance. [laughs]  You mentioned you're particularly interested in women I suppose it has really. I've written whenever  given the chance. [laughs]  You mentioned you're particularly interested in women
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which I think is wonderful. Do you think going to an all girls School had which I think is wonderful. Do you think going to an all girls School had
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any influence on that. Was the the feeling at the time as there is  any influence on that. Was the the feeling at the time as there is 
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now because the question now is "Do I send my children to a mixed gender school"  now because the question now is "Do I send my children to a mixed gender school" 
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or to a separated school?" Did that come up at the time? It or to a separated school?" Did that come up at the time? It
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 didn't come up at that time when I was there. I think  didn't come up at that time when I was there. I think
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probably I suppose probably going to an all girls school probably I suppose probably going to an all girls school
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I suppose you became aware of their capabilities and you felt that    I suppose you became aware of their capabilities and you felt that   
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sometimes they were overlooked, not at school, but after they left school - and that might have had something  sometimes they were overlooked, not at school, but after they left school - and that might have had something 
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to do with it. Although I've done men too for the ADB, I've done to do with it. Although I've done men too for the ADB, I've done
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a couple of lawyers and so on. But ah no   a couple of lawyers and so on. But ah no  
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I think women should get their due and um..  And do you think going to a girl's School  I think women should get their due and um..  And do you think going to a girl's School 
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helps them to get that strength? helps them to get that strength?
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Or do you think it doesn't really matter?  Well I think it makes a difference. I think that you know probably Or do you think it doesn't really matter?  Well I think it makes a difference. I think that you know probably
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um um
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If you are at an all girl's School you don't have the distractions of the males If you are at an all girl's School you don't have the distractions of the males
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as you do, naturally you've got to socialise, but you can do that away from School as you do, naturally you've got to socialise, but you can do that away from School
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and I think it might be easier  and I think it might be easier 
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you know to get on with the business and concentrate and do what ever you were going to do um you know to get on with the business and concentrate and do what ever you were going to do um
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I think that a... I think that a...