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You've been said before. You've been said before.
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That DNA police they burn him that house. [Norman] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. [Frank] Did you see that one? [Norman] Yeah I seen that for myself. That DNA police they burn him that house. [Norman] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. [Frank] Did you see that one? [Norman] Yeah I seen that for myself.
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I was yelling the burn though [Frank] yeah. I was yelling the burn though [Frank] yeah.
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Which house did they burn? [Norman] They burn uh Which house did they burn? [Norman] They burn uh
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it was uh down old Mapoon there. it was uh down old Mapoon there.
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Do you remember the family name? Do you remember the family name?
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Would that help? Would that help?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well they burn Well they burn
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they burn all from uh they burn all from uh
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white orde,r white whole house, black should be. white orde,r white whole house, black should be.
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[Frank] They been burn your house [Norman] mmm. [Frank] They been burn your house [Norman] mmm.
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And there have been some more other families house. And there have been some more other families house.
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Way down at old Mapoon there on, near the old mission [Frank] yeah. Way down at old Mapoon there on, near the old mission [Frank] yeah.
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And, they'd be in the church up, too. And, they'd be in the church up, too.
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Do you remember the name of any of those family house? Do you remember the name of any of those family house?
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Well Well
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I know one. they burn my place [Frank] yeah. I know one. they burn my place [Frank] yeah.
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Then uh Then uh
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go down bit go down bit
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you come up this way I think, you come up this way I think,
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yeah well Victoria been saying, yeah well Victoria been saying,
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they burn the house down there they burn the house down there
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and another house from where I living now, my sister and my brother-in-law been staying there, they burn their little house too [Frank] what sister which [Norman] Georgina. [Frank] Georgina, and another house from where I living now, my sister and my brother-in-law been staying there, they burn their little house too [Frank] what sister which [Norman] Georgina. [Frank] Georgina,
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and then they burn the church down. and then they burn the church down.
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You go down there you can look the church all burnt up. You go down there you can look the church all burnt up.
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And they shouldn't burn the church down. And they shouldn't burn the church down.
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I mean that's, that's Gods house hey. I mean that's, that's Gods house hey.
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What for they been do that? What for they been do that?
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Well, so we don't go back into the house and we don't go into the church. Well, so we don't go back into the house and we don't go into the church.
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That's right, you see that, 'nother house [cough] way over there 'nother side of the graveyard, That's right, you see that, 'nother house [cough] way over there 'nother side of the graveyard,
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they burn that one up. they burn that one up.
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The old post all burnt [Frank] who been live in that house? [Norman] Well that house for The old post all burnt [Frank] who been live in that house? [Norman] Well that house for
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maybe some other missionary bloke or maybe for some schoolteacher. maybe some other missionary bloke or maybe for some schoolteacher.
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Big house got Big house got
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4-5 room 4-5 room
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and uh and uh
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burnt that house up to. burnt that house up to.
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This is all wood flooring, This is all wood flooring,
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good iron, good iron,
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good timber like, good timber like,
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right run you know. right run you know.
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Maybe they might have took that out and what left or they burn it. Maybe they might have took that out and what left or they burn it.
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You go down today you looked that post all burnt up. You go down today you looked that post all burnt up.
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So what for they don't want you to go back in your house? So what for they don't want you to go back in your house?
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Say Say
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yeah now we come back, yeah now we come back,
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ee come back from Weipa ee come back from Weipa
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to live in Mapoon. to live in Mapoon.
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Now we come back here we c- we got no house. Now we come back here we c- we got no house.
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We just have to put up any kind uh We just have to put up any kind uh
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shed the same, shed the same,
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until we put up a really till we all come together again and put up a really home. until we put up a really till we all come together again and put up a really home.
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I got my house down there. I got my house down there.
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This house there never burn. This house there never burn.
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This one. This one.
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You can see they never touch it. You can see they never touch it.
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The house over there would best burn seen. The house over there would best burn seen.
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They never burn it 'cause he had the bestest brother there, They never burn it 'cause he had the bestest brother there,
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Henry Brown Henry Brown
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and he said that he asked them and he said that he asked them
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Where you's going? Where you's going?
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Oh he said we sent here to Oh he said we sent here to
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burn the homes down. burn the homes down.
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He said well, He said well,
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you see them, coconut leaf what you put underneath my house, you see them, coconut leaf what you put underneath my house,
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he said uh, you move everyone out from there now. he said uh, you move everyone out from there now.
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Well he's cripple you know. Well he's cripple you know.
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Cripple his fingers. Cripple his fingers.
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But But
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he said uh he, he, he said no, no, on horse back, he said uh he, he, he said no, no, on horse back,
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riding, riding,
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in the front of him he got 303, in the front of him he got 303,
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full magazine, full magazine,
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he said uh you want to see your family? he said uh you want to see your family?
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But you want to see, But you want to see,
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you want to go back and see Mr. Cloran in uh you want to go back and see Mr. Cloran in uh
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TI? TI?
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And you like to see all your family? And you like to see all your family?
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They should move them, leap out from underneath my house now. They should move them, leap out from underneath my house now.
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If I put one in your foot, If I put one in your foot,
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he said you know where the next one gonna hit? he said you know where the next one gonna hit?
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Right on your box. Right on your box.
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Them I'll please didn't. Them I'll please didn't.
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She had bloke hidden, wait, they grab all that leaf, chuck it out the back. She had bloke hidden, wait, they grab all that leaf, chuck it out the back.
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Tell him you see that road there? This same road here. Tell him you see that road there? This same road here.
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The road he said The road he said
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get. get.
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If you don't turn back, If you don't turn back,
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he say walk straight down and jump in your boat and go back to TI. he say walk straight down and jump in your boat and go back to TI.
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He said boy, He said boy,
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I'll shoot the whole lot of yous. I'll shoot the whole lot of yous.
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I'm not fit to live. I'm not fit to live.
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They haven't, he said, I'm not good like you. They haven't, he said, I'm not good like you.
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I'm cripple. I'm cripple.
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It won't be long for me to die he said but I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna kill you first. It won't be long for me to die he said but I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna kill you first.
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They went back [laughter]. They went back [laughter].
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Oh would Oh would
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yeah. yeah.
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Well he mean it? [Frank] Yeah [Norman] oh he didn't play around with them. Well he mean it? [Frank] Yeah [Norman] oh he didn't play around with them.
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Nearer yes, you're 303 full, full magazine. Nearer yes, you're 303 full, full magazine.
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One bullet to the ?inaudible? would have doubled him up 2 bloke hey or 3 bloke. One bullet to the ?inaudible? would have doubled him up 2 bloke hey or 3 bloke.
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Go right through. Go right through.
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So that's what's all about, So that's what's all about,
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like when like when
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them homes burn up and we can't come back. them homes burn up and we can't come back.
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We could come back but where we gonna stay? We could come back but where we gonna stay?
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We just have to stay in a tent first. We just have to stay in a tent first.
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Before we put build a Before we put build a
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bit of a shed you know. bit of a shed you know.
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This ?inaudible? like from rain. This ?inaudible? like from rain.
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And we've got no, no place to cook our tucker and make some sort of kitchen you know. And we've got no, no place to cook our tucker and make some sort of kitchen you know.
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The thing in Grandmas. The thing in Grandmas.
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Then after I put my house up, Then after I put my house up,
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like for me and my, my father to stay in like for me and my, my father to stay in
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and today we got a good home down there. and today we got a good home down there.
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To when um To when um
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before before
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you went to Weipa you went to Weipa
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who was the Super- who was the Superintendent that time? who was the Super- who was the Superintendent that time?
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and um and um
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[Frank] Who was that last one? [Norman] The last one yeah. [Frank] Who was that last one? [Norman] The last one yeah.
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I couldn't ?inaudible? Loveroy I think, Mr. Loveroy. I couldn't ?inaudible? Loveroy I think, Mr. Loveroy.
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Not Mr. Filmer? Not Mr. Filmer?
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Mr. Filmer or Mr. Mr. Loveroy? Mr. Filmer or Mr. Mr. Loveroy?
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No, no not Mr. Loveroy. Mr. Fillmore, No, no not Mr. Loveroy. Mr. Fillmore,
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he was here. he was here.
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He went away, He went away,
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he went to Weipa, he went to Weipa,
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then after he went away from Weipa, even to then after he went away from Weipa, even to
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he went away for good. he went away for good.
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Then Mr. Loveroy take over Weipa. Then Mr. Loveroy take over Weipa.
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Then we all sent down to Weipa then. We were the last people to move from here. [Frank] Were there any white fellows here when? [Norman] No, nothing. Then we all sent down to Weipa then. We were the last people to move from here. [Frank] Were there any white fellows here when? [Norman] No, nothing.
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So So
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did um Mr. Filmer or anybody did um Mr. Filmer or anybody
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tell you tell you
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what was going to happen? what was going to happen?
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No they didn't tell us nothing. No they didn't tell us nothing.
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[Frank] Did they have any? [Norman] I think they was they was one, [Frank] Did they have any? [Norman] I think they was they was one,
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there was one uh, there was one uh,
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on the DNS side you know like, with Mr. Cloran like, might be tell uh, him not to tell us anything, he gonna send the force down [Frank] yep. on the DNS side you know like, with Mr. Cloran like, might be tell uh, him not to tell us anything, he gonna send the force down [Frank] yep.
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Send the force down there to move us, move people away from here, Send the force down there to move us, move people away from here,
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which they did which they did
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and then uh and then uh
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discovered the boat come back now. discovered the boat come back now.
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To, To,
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if you were the last one, if you were the last one,
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no all my other family no all my other family
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they all went out. they all went out.
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They went down to Normanton, They went down to Normanton,
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[cough] my other sister went to Bamaga, [cough] my other sister went to Bamaga,
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well, not Bam- New Mapoon. well, not Bam- New Mapoon.
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All my other sisters and brother went out to All my other sisters and brother went out to
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down to Normanton. [Frank] Why did they go out? down to Normanton. [Frank] Why did they go out?
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[Norman] Look for the same thing. [Frank] What thing? [Norman] Look for the same thing. [Frank] What thing?
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The DIA gonna move the people away from Mapoon. The DIA gonna move the people away from Mapoon.
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So So
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people knew that was going to happen? [Norman] yeah. people knew that was going to happen? [Norman] yeah.
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In the first place we know that we should shift up In the first place we know that we should shift up
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to Red Beach. to Red Beach.
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That's the place we use, we should have shipped up before. That's the place we use, we should have shipped up before.
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Then [cough] if women shift up there before, Then [cough] if women shift up there before,
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they wouldn't shipped us away from Mapoon. they wouldn't shipped us away from Mapoon.
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[Frank] Why's that? [Norman] Well [Frank] Why's that? [Norman] Well
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you can see, you can see for yourself, you can see, you can see for yourself,
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up there had ground, up there had ground,
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down there explained signs. down there explained signs.
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Now, you put your home down there, you got your home down there, and then you run. You might get a vehicle. Now, you put your home down there, you got your home down there, and then you run. You might get a vehicle.
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You'll never make it right down there like from Weipa. You'll never make it right down there like from Weipa.
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Only four wheel drive. Only four wheel drive.
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But you come when you look at that uh, you're gonna put the township in Red, Red Beach. But you come when you look at that uh, you're gonna put the township in Red, Red Beach.
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Well you can go anywhere with your vehicle at ground. Well you can go anywhere with your vehicle at ground.
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And uh we supposed to shift up to Red Beach mission time. And uh we supposed to shift up to Red Beach mission time.
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But everybody didn't want to shift up there, they want to stay in their own place. But everybody didn't want to shift up there, they want to stay in their own place.
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So So
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they come in the Force then. they come in the Force then.
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Send some people, but they didn't tell us. They would tell us that they're gonna shift us with the boat. Send some people, but they didn't tell us. They would tell us that they're gonna shift us with the boat.
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They just been come and pick people up. They just been come and pick people up.
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We was out camping you know, holiday. We was out camping you know, holiday.
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What's wrong? What's wrong?
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Oh the new controller, Oh the new controller,
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I'm going to pick you's up. I'm going to pick you's up.
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What they thought might be pick us up from the camping place and bring us back home hey, What they thought might be pick us up from the camping place and bring us back home hey,
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and it took us and it took us
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from there, from the camping place, from there, from the camping place,
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to New Mapoon to New Mapoon
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and some of the p- some of the people have a lot of good things in the house yet. and some of the p- some of the people have a lot of good things in the house yet.
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Like they're goods. Like they're goods.
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The house got burnt up with them good things in the home. The house got burnt up with them good things in the home.
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And then after And then after
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but then when the mission- missionary bloke and but then when the mission- missionary bloke and
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go the near 'nother go the near 'nother
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2 island couple from TI 2 island couple from TI
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they come here stop. Sort of missionary bloke. [Frank] What were their names? they come here stop. Sort of missionary bloke. [Frank] What were their names?
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I can't think of the name, I don't know the name. I can't think of the name, I don't know the name.
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But they work for DIA But they work for DIA
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and and
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they only get little stores you know. they only get little stores you know.
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But the stores can just finish up quick But the stores can just finish up quick
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then tell us no more stores now. then tell us no more stores now.
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You'll have to move away from here. You'll have to move away from here.
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Well we go on the same boat now that ?inaudible? we was the last people to move from here, Well we go on the same boat now that ?inaudible? we was the last people to move from here,
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back to Weipa. back to Weipa.
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And when Cloran was finished from the seat, And when Cloran was finished from the seat,
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that other bloke takeover now. that other bloke takeover now.
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What is name? What is name?
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Took Florence job Took Florence job
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and uh and uh
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[Frank] Katter [Norman] yeah. [Frank] Katter [Norman] yeah.
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He took the job on and He took the job on and
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well then the time people been fighting until they been come back, well then the time people been fighting until they been come back,
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come back to Mapoon again. come back to Mapoon again.
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Well we uh, we were the first people come back here. Well we uh, we were the first people come back here.
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'Til that more keep coming by little, you know little by little, 'Til that more keep coming by little, you know little by little,
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make the place grow up with more people. make the place grow up with more people.
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Red Beach there, Red Beach there,
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somes home put up, their dongas you know. somes home put up, their dongas you know.
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And then And then
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Mrs. Blanco and her husband Mrs. Blanco and her husband
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people in too. people in too.
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Some people in the pension house. Some people in the pension house.
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And now you see Mrs. Favor coming back. And now you see Mrs. Favor coming back.
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They're gonna make, make the place build up bit more. They're gonna make, make the place build up bit more.
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While Silva said, he said, I don't care where you stop. If you want to go back and stay in your same old ground you've been staying before he said, While Silva said, he said, I don't care where you stop. If you want to go back and stay in your same old ground you've been staying before he said,
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but I still give you vehicle to go into town for shopping, but I still give you vehicle to go into town for shopping,
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like pension vehicle. like pension vehicle.
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Well people been agree with that you know. Well people been agree with that you know.
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They can go in and do all shopping in Weipa. They can go in and do all shopping in Weipa.
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We can do our shopping here in this little store here. We can do our shopping here in this little store here.
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More people come, more people build the place up and More people come, more people build the place up and
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make the place look like, make the place look like,
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look like home look like home
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and uh and uh
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well now when I look at Mrs Salvo coming back would look like, well now when I look at Mrs Salvo coming back would look like,
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maybe some more people might be coming behind her. maybe some more people might be coming behind her.
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Mightn't be from Weipa might be from outside. Mightn't be from Weipa might be from outside.
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He says hey Danny come and come back and put up there. He says hey Danny come and come back and put up there.
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Never mind if they only put up Never mind if they only put up
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post and all these and uh frame up. post and all these and uh frame up.
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Plenty of time to put some iron up. Plenty of time to put some iron up.
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It'll take you long to put iron up. It'll take you long to put iron up.
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[Frank] Who built this house? [Norman] This one? [Norman] James Charger. [Frank] James Charger. [Norman] That's uh my sister's husband. [Frank] Who built this house? [Norman] This one? [Norman] James Charger. [Frank] James Charger. [Norman] That's uh my sister's husband.
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When I was only a young schoolboy When I was only a young schoolboy
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I used to come and haul them, I used to come and haul them,
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timber full, timber full,
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The Hudson with uds. The Hudson with uds.
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[Frank] You what? [Norman] Hudson with uds. [Frank] You what? [Norman] Hudson with uds.
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Uds. Uds.
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[Frank] Oh yah yah with an axe right? [Norman] Yeah. [Frank] Oh yah yah with an axe right? [Norman] Yeah.
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All empty my uds even the stud button everything [Frank] and this would here, this iron wood hey? [Norman] Yeah that's iron wood. [Frank] What about this one? All empty my uds even the stud button everything [Frank] and this would here, this iron wood hey? [Norman] Yeah that's iron wood. [Frank] What about this one?
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Everywhere, all that on there all. Everywhere, all that on there all.
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Well all different, different timbers now [Frank] yeah. Well all different, different timbers now [Frank] yeah.
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[Frank] But this one? [Norman] this one iron wood. [Frank] But this one? [Norman] this one iron wood.
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That's what I, that's what I last bought. That's what I, that's what I last bought.
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So many. So many.
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[Frank] And this one that James put him up, before that war time or after that war time? [Norman] After that war time. [Frank] And this one that James put him up, before that war time or after that war time? [Norman] After that war time.
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This was all This was all
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long ago. long ago.
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I was only young schoolboy [Frank] schoolboy [Norman] I used to come up here and I was only young schoolboy [Frank] schoolboy [Norman] I used to come up here and
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hold them timber for them while they uds on [Frank] yeah. hold them timber for them while they uds on [Frank] yeah.
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And what about this water tank? [Norman] Oh this one this it's from the C- uh from the CDP [Frank] ah And what about this water tank? [Norman] Oh this one this it's from the C- uh from the CDP [Frank] ah
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and these posts just sitting here what were that? [Norman] This was the old house, not through his mother. and these posts just sitting here what were that? [Norman] This was the old house, not through his mother.
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Well you might as well say that's what's there from tribal days [Frank] yep. Well you might as well say that's what's there from tribal days [Frank] yep.
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That's all them posts. That's all them posts.
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See how they standing up? [Frank] Yep [Norman] now these posts standing up straight, See how they standing up? [Frank] Yep [Norman] now these posts standing up straight,
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them posts standing up all kind way [Frank] mmm. them posts standing up all kind way [Frank] mmm.
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Well, I have uh his father and his mother put that house up. Well, I have uh his father and his mother put that house up.
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Mind you people here before, Mind you people here before,
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right before we born, right before we born,
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our father and mother and some of the old our father and mother and some of the old
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people do not come up. people do not come up.
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Help them to put up their house Help them to put up their house
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but they don't give them money, but they don't give them money,
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like pay them, like pay them,
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they give them tucker. they give them tucker.
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They have the breakfast, dinner and supper They have the breakfast, dinner and supper
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and they go home. You know something in their stomach. and they go home. You know something in their stomach.
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They give them bit of smoke too. They give them bit of smoke too.
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We never used to get this sort of smoke. We never used to get this sort of smoke.
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We used to get them We used to get them
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fresh tobacco you know, not fresh, but fresh tobacco you know, not fresh, but
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or some of them big hub of tobacco. or some of them big hub of tobacco.
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Black tobacco. Black tobacco.
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And cut them up and And cut them up and
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roll them in the paper. roll them in the paper.
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We should get them. We should get them.
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Only just lately now when we went to Weipa we got this proper Only just lately now when we went to Weipa we got this proper
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good tobacco. good tobacco.
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When we were staying down here, old Mapoon used to get them When we were staying down here, old Mapoon used to get them
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little short long stick 'bout that much tobacco, little short long stick 'bout that much tobacco,
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as long as my finger. as long as my finger.
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But then again we gotta work by But then again we gotta work by
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my mother and my sister gotta make my mother and my sister gotta make
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shell, beads and shell, beads and
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red berry beads red berry beads
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and sell it. and sell it.
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Then you go you, only live on that shell and red berry money you know. Then you go you, only live on that shell and red berry money you know.
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When I been making, well I gotta give them little bit money. When I been making, well I gotta give them little bit money.
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To just to add up or To just to add up or
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get some stores. get some stores.
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Always hard time before. Always hard time before.
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[Frank] Who would they sell those shell and red beads to? [Norman] To the missionary bloke Lefroy [Frank] ah yeah. [Frank] Who would they sell those shell and red beads to? [Norman] To the missionary bloke Lefroy [Frank] ah yeah.
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Anybody still make that one? Anybody still make that one?
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[Norman] Oh if, if you ask any- if you ask someone to make it, they'll make it [Frank] mmm. [Norman] Oh if, if you ask any- if you ask someone to make it, they'll make it [Frank] mmm.
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That old lady Mrs Cooktown there That old lady Mrs Cooktown there
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Connie [Frank] yeah. Connie [Frank] yeah.
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She make shell beads and she make you into She make shell beads and she make you into
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red the flower. red the flower.
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You gotta have all nice pretty flowers hey like petals. You gotta have all nice pretty flowers hey like petals.
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She makes some nice flower with the feather. She makes some nice flower with the feather.
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[Frank] And what's this uh building just here the flat one? [Norman] Oh well this is supposed to belong to Mrs Madua. [Frank] And what's this uh building just here the flat one? [Norman] Oh well this is supposed to belong to Mrs Madua.
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The big truck bring it out. The big truck bring it out.
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When I found the road he got When I found the road he got
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he gots uh, he fallin, falled apart [Frank] yeah. he gots uh, he fallin, falled apart [Frank] yeah.
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They still have to bring it out here and drop it there. They still have to bring it out here and drop it there.
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?inaudible? trail. ?inaudible? trail.
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The crane have to come and pick it up. The crane have to come and pick it up.
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Put it down here and he thoughts much. Put it down here and he thoughts much.
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To that Susie Madua hey? [Norman] Yeah [Frank] was she camping here? [Norman] She was just living here and then, To that Susie Madua hey? [Norman] Yeah [Frank] was she camping here? [Norman] She was just living here and then,
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then she went to Normanton. She went for good, now she never come back anymore. [Frank] So she was living in this house here [Norman] yeah [Frank] your sister's house. then she went to Normanton. She went for good, now she never come back anymore. [Frank] So she was living in this house here [Norman] yeah [Frank] your sister's house.
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And what about over over there under the mango tree where uh [Norman] no that's the kitchen that's where we And what about over over there under the mango tree where uh [Norman] no that's the kitchen that's where we
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we cook a lot tucker. we cook a lot tucker.
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And you got uh And you got uh
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what well over there hey? [Norman] yeah well in that, what well over there hey? [Norman] yeah well in that,
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well the eng-, little engine over there [Frank] yeah. well the eng-, little engine over there [Frank] yeah.
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That's where you get your water [Norman] the water fill up this tank. That's where you get your water [Norman] the water fill up this tank.
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Then we may get no petrol now too. Then we may get no petrol now too.
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We have the time we have to go up to We have the time we have to go up to
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Red Beach Red Beach
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and get some more petrol. and get some more petrol.
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Buy some petrol. Buy some petrol.
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Just to fill this tank up well he's all full you know [cough] Just to fill this tank up well he's all full you know [cough]
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I don't thinks I got any more petrol, I have to get some more petrol on Monday. I don't thinks I got any more petrol, I have to get some more petrol on Monday.
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So So
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you gotta get him new house sometime? you gotta get him new house sometime?
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What you going to do? [Norman] No. What you going to do? [Norman] No.
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I've got my house down there. I've got my house down there.
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[Frank] What good one? [Norman] Yeah good one. [Frank] What good one? [Norman] Yeah good one.
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I just had to put him up you know. I just had to put him up you know.
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One of these sort of house flooring house  One of these sort of house flooring house 
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Another ground house too. Another ground house too.
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But uh my, my kids staying in the ground house. But uh my, my kids staying in the ground house.
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We all got one kitchen. We all got one kitchen.
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I got another little I got another little
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flooring house higher too. flooring house higher too.
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Yep. Yep.
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So that So that
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house like pension house, you don't want to get him like that? house like pension house, you don't want to get him like that?
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[Norman] This one here? [Frank] yep. [Norman] This one here? [Frank] yep.
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Lot of money too hey. Lot of money too hey.
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You got to pay for 'lectricity. You got to pay for 'lectricity.
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I suppose you pay for living in the home hey. I suppose you pay for living in the home hey.
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[Frank] Rent, yeah [Norman] rent, yeah. [Frank] Rent, yeah [Norman] rent, yeah.
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[Frank] You don't want to get him like that? [Norman] No. [Frank] You don't want to get him like that? [Norman] No.
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I'd sooner put my own house up [Frank] yeah I'd sooner put my own house up [Frank] yeah
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and and
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that Red Beach, that Corporation what do you reckon about that? [Norman] Well it's alright, that Red Beach, that Corporation what do you reckon about that? [Norman] Well it's alright,
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it's all right but you know it's all right but you know
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half of the people in Weipa half of the people in Weipa
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they don't pull it Silver. they don't pull it Silver.
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We all were what out here well we pull it Silver. We all were what out here well we pull it Silver.
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Because Silver you know he married, he's not belong here, he from Because Silver you know he married, he's not belong here, he from
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Coal Creek Coal Creek
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but his wife but his wife
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from Mapoon from Mapoon
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and that's where he come and stay and build a place up. and that's where he come and stay and build a place up.
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You can see what Silver doing, he's building the place up place coming up you know. You can see what Silver doing, he's building the place up place coming up you know.
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He told us that he can get He told us that he can get
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Dulca from Comalco Dulca from Comalco
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and clean all that Red Beach up and clean all that Red Beach up
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but but
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he said one day we'll talk, talk to he said one day we'll talk, talk to
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have a talk with Egan have a talk with Egan
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and uh and uh
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clean the whole place up. clean the whole place up.
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Then the people can come out and look, Then the people can come out and look,
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look what they want to, where they want to stay. look what they want to, where they want to stay.
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[Frank] You know that Egan Donnegan hey? [Norman] yeah. [Frank] You know that Egan Donnegan hey? [Norman] yeah.
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[Frank] Him work Comalco [Norman] yeah he's the big boss [Frank] yeah. [Frank] Him work Comalco [Norman] yeah he's the big boss [Frank] yeah.
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It's a big butterfly. It's a big butterfly.
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Papa. Papa.
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Comalco. Comalco.
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And And
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what do you think about it for the future that what do you think about it for the future that
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is it that place building up, is that what do you want to happen with Mapoon? is it that place building up, is that what do you want to happen with Mapoon?
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You know they, they build Red Beach up You know they, they build Red Beach up
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and make it into township and make it into township
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like to how they got Weipa [Frank] yeah like to how they got Weipa [Frank] yeah
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maybe I think he be a lot uh maybe I think he be a lot uh
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it be lot better for everybody, it be lot better for everybody,
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maybe more people coming back maybe more people coming back
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and and
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You heard that story about 1 mining company want to come to that Nomelita and Skardon? You heard that story about 1 mining company want to come to that Nomelita and Skardon?
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You been hear that story? You been hear that story?
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Want to come to? Want to come to?
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Nomelita and Skardon River. Nomelita and Skardon River.
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[Norman] Want to say there? [Frank] Yep. [Norman] Want to say there? [Frank] Yep.
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You have to come through, You have to come through,
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you have to come through the Council affair. you have to come through the Council affair.
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Because all that Nomelita belongs to Mapoon, all Mapoon country. Because all that Nomelita belongs to Mapoon, all Mapoon country.
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So what do you, what do you think about that mining business? So what do you, what do you think about that mining business?
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[Norman] Which mining business? [Frank] Well for Mapoon country? [Norman] Which mining business? [Frank] Well for Mapoon country?
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Well we never give him no permission to Well we never give him no permission to
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mine the country yet. mine the country yet.
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You gotta be, you gotta be the public to give him that. You gotta be, you gotta be the public to give him that.
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Given the permission to mine that all Mapoon country. Given the permission to mine that all Mapoon country.
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So what do you think about that? Do you think the public should give him that permission or So what do you think about that? Do you think the public should give him that permission or
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block him? block him?
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My, my blood to block him and find out what, what he want to My, my blood to block him and find out what, what he want to
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mine place for. mine place for.
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He want to get that white clay. He want to get that white clay.
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Well they, I don't think so the people will never give him that 'cause Well they, I don't think so the people will never give him that 'cause
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we got our homes up there now and you only can get that white clay, we got our homes up there now and you only can get that white clay,
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got get no wells. got get no wells.
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They reckon he can get him at Nomelita. They reckon he can get him at Nomelita.
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[Norman] You know in there [Frank] you know they been finding, [Norman] You know in there [Frank] you know they been finding,
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they already been there before [Norman] mmm [Frank] they been exploring. they already been there before [Norman] mmm [Frank] they been exploring.
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Now they want to get a mine. Now they want to get a mine.
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Nomelita? Nomelita?
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Yeah right up, Yeah right up,
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right up to that Skardon. right up to that Skardon.
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Well I don't think so they'll give him. Well I don't think so they'll give him.
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Was all that Nomalita country from Was all that Nomalita country from
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Red Point, Red Point,
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I think Red one, I think Red Point got that clay. I think Red one, I think Red Point got that clay.
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Yeah Red one got that clay. Yeah Red one got that clay.
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But to come back from that way But to come back from that way
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he get nothing. he get nothing.
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I know 'cause I know 'cause
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I been around that country. I been around that country.
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Only, only place got white clay is Red, Red Point. Only, only place got white clay is Red, Red Point.
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[Frank] so you been looked at Comalco you been work there [Norman] mmm [Frank] so you been looked at Comalco you been work there [Norman] mmm
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I been working there for I been working there for
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for a little while. for a little while.
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