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But that's one thing they never But that's one thing they never
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learn us any language. learn us any language.
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They're all English. They're all English.
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Every old people belong to us down here, they never talk language. Every old people belong to us down here, they never talk language.
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All English. All English.
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You go to Weipa, You go to Weipa,
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there's a bit of language there, you know. there's a bit of language there, you know.
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They talk little bit of language. They talk little bit of language.
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You go Aurukun and they all language, English too. You go Aurukun and they all language, English too.
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Then you go Edward River, Then you go Edward River,
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language and English. language and English.
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Same with Kowanyama, language and English. Same with Kowanyama, language and English.
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But we don't, yeah, never. Like, young generation, like, new generation, we never. But we don't, yeah, never. Like, young generation, like, new generation, we never.
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We never ever. Older people never tell us We never ever. Older people never tell us
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- tell us to talk language, just learn us to talk English. - tell us to talk language, just learn us to talk English.
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That's why today we - we talk English. We don't - we don't - we only have our old - old people, like, older than us, That's why today we - we talk English. We don't - we don't - we only have our old - old people, like, older than us,
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Like Jackie and them. Like Jackie and them.
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But they talk language, you know. But they talk language, you know.
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Some language I can - I can understand, you know, but I can't talk it. Mmm. Some language I can - I can understand, you know, but I can't talk it. Mmm.
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Like, you know, Like, you know,
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some people got to have real some people got to have real
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- really crooked tongue. - really crooked tongue.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, I never - I never talk language, you know. Well, I never - I never talk language, you know.
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Some of the young people what died, Some of the young people what died,
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you know, been before me, you know, been before me,
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well, they talk language. well, they talk language.
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But I don't talk language 'cause But I don't talk language 'cause
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I can't - I can't make my tongue talking to talk language. I can't - I can't make my tongue talking to talk language.
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I can understand. I can understand I can understand. I can understand
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some some
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- some language, you know. - some language, you know.
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But I can't talk it. But I can't talk it.
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Old fellow that Old fellow that
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- fellow that belongs to Ronnie, - fellow that belongs to Ronnie,
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his father, Benny Charger, his father, Benny Charger,
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oh, he's the man to talk language. oh, he's the man to talk language.
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Once I - when I listen to him talk language, I can just sit down and Once I - when I listen to him talk language, I can just sit down and
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just listen to him, you know? Oh, good. just listen to him, you know? Oh, good.
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Would about that old Willie Hudson? Did he talk language? Would about that old Willie Hudson? Did he talk language?
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Willie or Jerry? That father belong Jerry? Well, I think he should. He should Willie or Jerry? That father belong Jerry? Well, I think he should. He should
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- he should talk language 'cause - he should talk language 'cause
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- well, I never hear him talk - I don't think he talked language, but I - I hear him talk English when, you know, he was - well, I never hear him talk - I don't think he talked language, but I - I hear him talk English when, you know, he was
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- I was only a kid then. - I was only a kid then.
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[? One more paper there you] blow away. [? One more paper there you] blow away.
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Yep. Yep.
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Which way? He went that way somewhere. [? Didn't] looked. Which way? He went that way somewhere. [? Didn't] looked.
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Well. Well.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And ah - And ah -
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I never hear the father talk language. I never hear the father talk language.
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Or when you - when you see him, when you see the father,[ one dress same]. Or when you - when you see him, when you see the father,[ one dress same].
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Dressed real decent, you know. Dressed real decent, you know.
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He was - he was a He was - he was a
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stockman around here before time. stockman around here before time.
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He was a real decent bloke, the old fellow. Yeah. He was a real decent bloke, the old fellow. Yeah.
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See him in photos. See him in photos.
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Real decent man. Real decent man.
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Well, Jerry, he was Well, Jerry, he was
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- he was a good man in - stockman too. - he was a good man in - stockman too.
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When he - when - in Jerry's time I know 'cause I was working with Jerry. When he - when - in Jerry's time I know 'cause I was working with Jerry.
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From the mission near the stockyard up the back. From the mission near the stockyard up the back.
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And Benny, And Benny,
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both, you know, were head stockmen around here. both, you know, were head stockmen around here.
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The cattle used to be from the yard The cattle used to be from the yard
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from the mission from the mission
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here here
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and the head was and the head was
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behind my place. behind my place.
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And the tail was still coming. Mmm. Coming out from the yard. And the tail was still coming. Mmm. Coming out from the yard.
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And that's where you get a lot of oh, And that's where you get a lot of oh,
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big bullock and cows and everything, you know. big bullock and cows and everything, you know.
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We used to grow up with We used to grow up with
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- we used to grow up before with cow milk. - we used to grow up before with cow milk.
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We never had this tinned We never had this tinned
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milk and that, you know, we used to milk and that, you know, we used to
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used to get - milk cow and used to get - milk cow and
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get 2 buckets and get 2 buckets and
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school kid would boil that milk up and they give us every afternoon before we school kid would boil that milk up and they give us every afternoon before we
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go home go home
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early. early.
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We never used to stay in dormitory. We never used to stay in dormitory.
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Well, sometime we used to stay in dormitory. Sometime we Well, sometime we used to stay in dormitory. Sometime we
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- when these other [? missionaries] would take on - take over, - when these other [? missionaries] would take on - take over,
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we'd been we'd been
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schooling from home, you know, go from home go to school. schooling from home, you know, go from home go to school.
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We don't camp anymore in dormitory. We don't camp anymore in dormitory.
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Before times them Before times them
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- the other sisters and brother, they were in dormitory, - the other sisters and brother, they were in dormitory,
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but not us, but not us,
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no. Were people living up here then? no. Were people living up here then?
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Yeah. At this place? Yeah. Yeah. At this place? Yeah.
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And did they And did they
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go to school and come home again? go to school and come home again?
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Well, Well,
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before time they used to before time they used to
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when they go down, when they go down,
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they stay in dormitory all the time now. They don't come to - back to their parents. they stay in dormitory all the time now. They don't come to - back to their parents.
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Only time when they see their parents Only time when they see their parents
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on Friday. On the - on the Friday when their parents go down for shopping. on Friday. On the - on the Friday when their parents go down for shopping.
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They used to have a store down the beach there. They used to have a store down the beach there.
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A store. A store.
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That's the only time they see their father and mother. What did you buy in that store? That's the only time they see their father and mother. What did you buy in that store?
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We buy We buy
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- you can buy um, - you can buy um,
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anything like, say, tinned meat, flour, sugar, anything like, say, tinned meat, flour, sugar,
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tea, rice. tea, rice.
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We didn't have this baking powder before; We didn't have this baking powder before;
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used to have cream of tartar and soda. used to have cream of tartar and soda.
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This baking powder would come lately. This baking powder would come lately.
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We been having cream of tartar and soda. We been having cream of tartar and soda.
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You know, you have to know how to put You know, you have to know how to put
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how much crram of tartar and how much soda. how much crram of tartar and how much soda.
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You put down too much You put down too much
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cream of tartar, your - your damper will come yellow. cream of tartar, your - your damper will come yellow.
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You just got to put maybe a teaspoon You just got to put maybe a teaspoon
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of soda and half a spoon cream of tartar, of soda and half a spoon cream of tartar,
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you'll cook good damper. you'll cook good damper.
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Used to be a bit hard when you start using cream of tartar and soda. Never mind baking powder, you could put maybe one - one spoon and that's enough. Used to be a bit hard when you start using cream of tartar and soda. Never mind baking powder, you could put maybe one - one spoon and that's enough.
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So people from here would go down on Friday for their shopping So people from here would go down on Friday for their shopping
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and they would see their children then? Yeah. and they would see their children then? Yeah.
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Some walk, Some walk,
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and some got horses. and some got horses.
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Those people from way up here, they got their horses, they ride down. Those people from way up here, they got their horses, they ride down.
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Ride down to do the shopping Ride down to do the shopping
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and they got horses to carry their load back. Mmm. and they got horses to carry their load back. Mmm.
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Who was living here when you were living at your place? [cough] Who was living here when you were living at your place? [cough]
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My sister - sister, Chrissy Charger My sister - sister, Chrissy Charger
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And her husband. And her husband.
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[Frank] Just - just their family? Any other family? [Norman] Yeah, just only their - her and her husband and their [Frank] Just - just their family? Any other family? [Norman] Yeah, just only their - her and her husband and their
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that's all. And who was living that way? that's all. And who was living that way?
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Well, just over here, he got another house over there, Well, just over here, he got another house over there,
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bloke called Walter Bush, bloke called Walter Bush,
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but he died. but he died.
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I don't know - I don't know about his family. I don't know - I don't know about his family.
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And there's further on old Tim Sabo. And there's further on old Tim Sabo.
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Tim, he's in Weipa. Yeah. Tim, he's in Weipa. Yeah.
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And his wife and his family there. And his wife and his family there.
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And And
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Bett - ah,  Bett - ah, 
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oh, yeah, another house before you get to Bett. oh, yeah, another house before you get to Bett.
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Old fellow called Jimmy Bond. Old fellow called Jimmy Bond.
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He died. That's his grave down there. He died. That's his grave down there.
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He had something that Jimmy Bond, yeah. He had something that Jimmy Bond, yeah.
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That's his home, but he from Solomon Island. That's his home, but he from Solomon Island.
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He not from here. He from Solomon Island. He not from here. He from Solomon Island.
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[? Got a brother Jackie]. [? Got a brother Jackie].
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He's from Solomon Island too. Jackie Callope?  He's from Solomon Island too. Jackie Callope? 
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And that's Betty Anna Hudson. Yeah. And that's Betty Anna Hudson. Yeah.
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And Sabo. And Sabo.
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His father from Solomon Islands. His father from Solomon Islands.
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I don't know where the mother's from. I don't know where the mother's from.
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That's all. That's - that's the end of the homes. That's all. That's - that's the end of the homes.
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There were no homes at Red Beach? There were no homes at Red Beach?
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Nothing home was there. Any homes at Batavia? Nothing home was there. Any homes at Batavia?
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They had one house there before. They had one house there before.
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I think he was mission, like, belong to the mission. Ah, yeah. I think he was mission, like, belong to the mission. Ah, yeah.
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They had an orange tree there, but they were - those summer orange, not  Yeah, not that sweet orange. They had an orange tree there, but they were - those summer orange, not  Yeah, not that sweet orange.
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And And
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well, they had a house there, I know. Mmm. well, they had a house there, I know. Mmm.
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Old Mrs Woodley and  Old Mrs Woodley and 
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Jubilee Woodley and Rosie Woodley were staying there before. Jubilee Woodley and Rosie Woodley were staying there before.
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And their - their house was there. And their - their house was there.
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Was there anybody living at [Toomul or Dang]? Was there anybody living at [Toomul or Dang]?
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Well, that Toomul, that house belongs to Well, that Toomul, that house belongs to
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an old fellow called Mr Sabo own it. an old fellow called Mr Sabo own it.
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Old Johnny Sabo and Old Johnny Sabo and
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[Norman] Mary Sabo, Dinah's mother. [Frank] Right. [Norman] But they both died now. [Frank] Ah, yep. [Norman] Mary Sabo, Dinah's mother. [Frank] Right. [Norman] But they both died now. [Frank] Ah, yep.
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And what about at Dang? And what about at Dang?
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Nobody was living there at that time when you were living down there? No, that - that was only put up lately as a stock Nobody was living there at that time when you were living down there? No, that - that was only put up lately as a stock
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- stock shed. Right. - stock shed. Right.
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When the weekly stock comes from Weipa, they stay in that shed. Yep. When the weekly stock comes from Weipa, they stay in that shed. Yep.
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Today, old Alfred's - he's got the place there now. Today, old Alfred's - he's got the place there now.
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So when So when
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you were living you were living
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at Halfway, you would go to school every day and then come back home, but the people who were living here at Halfway, you would go to school every day and then come back home, but the people who were living here
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and that way up to Toomul, the children would and that way up to Toomul, the children would
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go down go down
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to school and stay at the dormitory? to school and stay at the dormitory?
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Yeah. That right or - Yeah, well, that's right, like, they Yeah. That right or - Yeah, well, that's right, like, they
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[? stay down then, yep. Righto]. [? stay down then, yep. Righto].
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They was in dormitories. It was like they can't go back that far, you know? Mmm. They was in dormitories. It was like they can't go back that far, you know? Mmm.
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She was a girl. They all stay down at the dormitory and She was a girl. They all stay down at the dormitory and
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they only see their parents on Friday. Mmm-hmm. they only see their parents on Friday. Mmm-hmm.
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But in my time, well, But in my time, well,
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we're from here Halfway where we just we're from here Halfway where we just
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up and down every day, like, every morning, come home in the evening - up and down every day, like, every morning, come home in the evening -
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come home in the afternoon and come home in the afternoon and
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we all we all
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live within our right. We used to come home, but live within our right. We used to come home, but
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then other girls and men, like, boys when they was in school bigger - was bigger than us, then other girls and men, like, boys when they was in school bigger - was bigger than us,
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They were staying in dormitory They were staying in dormitory
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'cause 'cause
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they never used to come home. they never used to come home.
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The only time they see their parents are on Friday. The only time they see their parents are on Friday.
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So when you were first going to school, do you remember the name of any of your teachers? So when you were first going to school, do you remember the name of any of your teachers?
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Well, Well,
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school teacher belongs to us is school teacher belongs to us is
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a coloured woman a coloured woman
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called Mabel Boota. called Mabel Boota.
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Hmm. Hmm.
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The one that Alfred got. Mmm-hmm. The one that Alfred got. Mmm-hmm.
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She's a sort of a school teacher. Mmm-hmm. She's a sort of a school teacher. Mmm-hmm.
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And Mabel Boota, well - well, we had some white school teacher before, but And Mabel Boota, well - well, we had some white school teacher before, but
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they all went away then they all went away then
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to a mission. Mmm. to a mission. Mmm.
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Then after the coloured teacher come along, like, say, Mabel Boota and all these other Then after the coloured teacher come along, like, say, Mabel Boota and all these other
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teachers. teachers.
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Mary Mumms. Mary Mumms.
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They was all our teacher - school teacher. They was all our teacher - school teacher.
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That's the only school teacher I know. Yeah. Mission. That's the only school teacher I know. Yeah. Mission.
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And do you remember what the name of the superintendent was during that time? And do you remember what the name of the superintendent was during that time?
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Um, Um,
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Mr Cane. Mr Cane.
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Mr Cane. Mr Cane.
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at the church. When we come out, then we go to school. at the church. When we come out, then we go to school.
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We stay at school and we dinner down at the mission. We stay at school and we dinner down at the mission.
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then we come home. then we come home.
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We breakfast home - in our home. Only we have dinner down there and supper down there and we come home. We breakfast home - in our home. Only we have dinner down there and supper down there and we come home.
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What was the tucker like? What was the tucker like?
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for dinner. for dinner.
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And then supper time you get And then supper time you get
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damper and meat. damper and meat.
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Before you come home, you Before you come home, you
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one one
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- one cup of milk - cow milk. - one cup of milk - cow milk.
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Oh, that's what - that make - you know, make children to be real healthy only from that cow milk. Oh, that's what - that make - you know, make children to be real healthy only from that cow milk.
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just do school work or did you have some job too? just do school work or did you have some job too?
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say, we bigger boys say, we bigger boys
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cut firewood and cut firewood and
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from the post. from the post.
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cook dinner and supper for us. cook dinner and supper for us.
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And we And we
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- sometimes we don't go to school, we just stay out and cut firewood and - sometimes we don't go to school, we just stay out and cut firewood and
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carry firewood from there to the cookhouse carry firewood from there to the cookhouse
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for the cook. for the cook.
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And then we keep on cutting more firewood. And then we keep on cutting more firewood.
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[? older] than us, they - and the girls, they go and [? older] than us, they - and the girls, they go and
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right back right back
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- look, it's [? our/a own/old world/well] at the back there, [? but if you see him]. - look, it's [? our/a own/old world/well] at the back there, [? but if you see him].
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[Norman] Ah see the well? [Frank] ? Yes. [Norman] Past the - we rake up past the mission - ah, past the cookhouse, [Norman] Ah see the well? [Frank] ? Yes. [Norman] Past the - we rake up past the mission - ah, past the cookhouse,
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go right back go right back
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from the beach. from the beach.
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Not with rake; Not with rake;
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we used them we used them
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- every, you know, boy and girl line up, rake up. - every, you know, boy and girl line up, rake up.
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on that on that
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all underneath the mango tree all underneath the mango tree
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all clean. all clean.
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That's another house over there where that grave, you know. That's another house over there where that grave, you know.
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This one on this side was a mission house. Fall down, that mission house. This one on this side was a mission house. Fall down, that mission house.
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Come this way it's a church that got burnt up. Come this way it's a church that got burnt up.
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All burnt. All burnt.
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We used to clean all that part We used to clean all that part
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right back, nice and clean. right back, nice and clean.
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Well, in the - in the church there, well, you got Well, in the - in the church there, well, you got
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boys' dressing room. boys' dressing room.
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Other side, girls' dressing room. Other side, girls' dressing room.
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You know, go in there and change our You know, go in there and change our
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school clothes, you know. school clothes, you know.
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Every little box got, you know, your name. You put your Every little box got, you know, your name. You put your
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old - like, your - ordinary clothes into them little old - like, your - ordinary clothes into them little
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box. box.
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When you come out from school, you go and change your ordinary clothes and leave your school clothes there. When you come out from school, you go and change your ordinary clothes and leave your school clothes there.
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And the And the
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girls what do washing, girls what do washing,
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they come and pick up all your clothes and put them for wash for the next day. they come and pick up all your clothes and put them for wash for the next day.
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So So
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what do you reckon about that time? what do you reckon about that time?
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Well, it was good that time. Well, it was good that time.
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You know, we have You know, we have
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- we don't - resting time we don't go anywhere. We have to just - we don't - resting time we don't go anywhere. We have to just
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get underneath the mango tree and get underneath the mango tree and
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we got maybe one man boss we got maybe one man boss
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and when the girls got one woman boss. and when the girls got one woman boss.
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Rest - we get out - after dinner, Rest - we get out - after dinner,
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we have to go to rest. we have to go to rest.
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Lay down and nice shade, you know, over there. Lay down and nice shade, you know, over there.
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After the bell ring, that's to go and After the bell ring, that's to go and
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have a bath and have a bath and
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go to school. go to school.
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You go to school again until about You go to school again until about
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maybe 3 or 4 o'clock we'd come out, maybe 3 or 4 o'clock we'd come out,
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do a bit of work again, do a bit of work again,
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rake up and rake up and
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when the bell ring, when the bell ring,
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now, now,
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the cookhouse, the cookhouse,
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we go get our supper. we go get our supper.
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So we line up and, So we line up and,
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you know, say - say prayer before we get our supper. you know, say - say prayer before we get our supper.
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After After
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- after our prayer, we get our supper and go home. - after our prayer, we get our supper and go home.
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That's all. That's all.
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To To
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for a while? for a while?
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It wasn't ah, It wasn't ah,
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like, we didn't go to high school or like, we didn't go to high school or
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- just an ordinary school, you know. Mmm. - just an ordinary school, you know. Mmm.
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Like today now, these Like today now, these
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- our kids, they go to high school then. We - we never been in that school. - our kids, they go to high school then. We - we never been in that school.
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We just went - just went to ordinary school and that's all. We just went - just went to ordinary school and that's all.
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So what did you do after you finished going to school? So what did you do after you finished going to school?
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What we do after we finish go to school? What we do after we finish go to school?
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When we - when we come out from the school? When we - when we come out from the school?
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We do a bit of work and then We do a bit of work and then
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get our supper and and go home. Oh. get our supper and and go home. Oh.
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So So
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you finished school now you finished school now
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and and
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might be you start working or what - what happened? Oh, when we come out and we go home, well, we have to do some work for our parents. Ah, yeah. might be you start working or what - what happened? Oh, when we come out and we go home, well, we have to do some work for our parents. Ah, yeah.
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We got to cut some wood and carry water and We got to cut some wood and carry water and
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see that see that
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our mother and father got plenty of wood and water our mother and father got plenty of wood and water
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before we can go and before we can go and
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- who might be - who might be
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- play, you know, play about like several of our friends. - play, you know, play about like several of our friends.
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But then again, we got to be home 10 o'clock, you know? But then again, we got to be home 10 o'clock, you know?
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Can't be after 10 out just running around, you know. Just you have to go home about 10 o'clock ready for school next morning. Can't be after 10 out just running around, you know. Just you have to go home about 10 o'clock ready for school next morning.
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Who made that rule about being home by 10 o'clock? Well, that was mission time,you know. Mission. Who made that rule about being home by 10 o'clock? Well, that was mission time,you know. Mission.
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So what was your father doing while you were going to school? Did he have a job or - Yeah, he was working at the stock. At the stock. So what was your father doing while you were going to school? Did he have a job or - Yeah, he was working at the stock. At the stock.
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In which place? In which place?
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Mapoon. Mapoon. He was working with Mapoon. Mapoon. He was working with
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the old Hudson. the old Hudson.
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Old Willie Hudson. Old Willie Hudson.
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Willie Hudson was the [...] Willie Hudson was the [...]
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- [Willy] - had [time] for everybody. - [Willy] - had [time] for everybody.
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Everybody that work with him, he's the main boss. Everybody that work with him, he's the main boss.
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What he tell everybody,  What he tell everybody, 
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"Do this, do that, do this." "Do this, do that, do this."
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Go - go to swamp and muster all the horses up and bring them in the yard, Go - go to swamp and muster all the horses up and bring them in the yard,
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then go and muster out bush." then go and muster out bush."
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And that's what - that's how we've been taught up. And that's what - that's how we've been taught up.
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[Frank] So did your father just work the stock around Mapoon or did he go other place? [Norman] No, only around Mapoon. [Frank] Around Mapoon. And what about your mother? [Frank] So did your father just work the stock around Mapoon or did he go other place? [Norman] No, only around Mapoon. [Frank] Around Mapoon. And what about your mother?
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was she working too? was she working too?
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Yeah, they - they all work. When they was young, they was working Yeah, they - they all work. When they was young, they was working
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around the mission. around the mission.
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They never go out anywhere. That's only They never go out anywhere. That's only
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do - work after they come out from school, the same thing what we done. Yeah. So what happened when do - work after they come out from school, the same thing what we done. Yeah. So what happened when
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your mother got married? your mother got married?
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Did she still work for that mission or - No, no, she got to be at home and do work for my Did she still work for that mission or - No, no, she got to be at home and do work for my
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- work for my father and the kids. - work for my father and the kids.
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And when she got old, And when she got old,
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she never - she never do anything. We all - all the children have to do all the work. she never - she never do anything. We all - all the children have to do all the work.
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She just She just
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sleep and eat, you know? sleep and eat, you know?
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We don't want her to work 'cause she's too old to work. We don't want her to work 'cause she's too old to work.
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And And
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when you left school, when you finished up at that school, what was your first job? when you left school, when you finished up at that school, what was your first job?
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Well, my first job was Well, my first job was
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after, you know, I was cutting firewood for the mission, like for the cook. after, you know, I was cutting firewood for the mission, like for the cook.
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Cutting firewood and carry firewood to the cook house and Cutting firewood and carry firewood to the cook house and
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And after that I And after that I
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- they put me in the stock camp - they put me in the stock camp
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in Mr Cane time. in Mr Cane time.
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He pulled me out of school altogether and put me in the stock camp. He pulled me out of school altogether and put me in the stock camp.
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I was on stock all my life I was on stock all my life
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till I went down to Normanton. till I went down to Normanton.
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I went there to I went there to
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better stock, you know, [better stock] that you can learn something. better stock, you know, [better stock] that you can learn something.
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And you - you know a lot of thing about stock And you - you know a lot of thing about stock
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Then I - Then I -
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after that when I came back after that when I came back
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I learned about I learned about
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- or when I was there, I learned about fencing, - or when I was there, I learned about fencing,
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yard building, yard building,
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you know, was all trade, and then - Who been teach you that one? Hmm? Who been teach you? you know, was all trade, and then - Who been teach you that one? Hmm? Who been teach you?
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Well, the boss out in Well, the boss out in
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- I went past Normanton to a place called - I went past Normanton to a place called
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Prospect. My boss Jackie, Prospect. My boss Jackie,
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well, he taught me how to work. well, he taught me how to work.
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Fencing, yard building Fencing, yard building
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and and
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all sort of thing, you know, break in horses, all sort of thing, you know, break in horses,
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- how to ride horses. - how to ride horses.
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And that's where we come to be good in riding horses by going out to the station. And that's where we come to be good in riding horses by going out to the station.
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Oh, you got a lot of - lot of hard job out there. Oh, you got a lot of - lot of hard job out there.
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Did somebody send you out that way or - Yeah, the mission. When - was mission time I went out from here to Did somebody send you out that way or - Yeah, the mission. When - was mission time I went out from here to
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- down to the - down to Normanton. Who been sent you? Well, Mr Cane. Mr Cane. - down to the - down to Normanton. Who been sent you? Well, Mr Cane. Mr Cane.
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So you went that way? I went out to the west then. So you went that way? I went out to the west then.
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That's where I learn more about stock. Mmm-hmm. That's where I learn more about stock. Mmm-hmm.
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And when I come back, And when I come back,
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I was working at Weipa. I was working at Weipa.
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Old fellow called Old fellow called
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- father to - father to
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Desmond Callope. Desmond Callope.
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[Norman] Old Joe Collope brother, Uncle Jack. [Frank] Yeah. [Norman] Old Joe Collope brother, Uncle Jack. [Frank] Yeah.
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