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Sweet Talking, an oral history project for the Australian Sugar Museum. Sweet Talking, an oral history project for the Australian Sugar Museum.
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Today is the 4th of April 1998 and this is the second interview with Missus Catherine group Dragona. Today is the 4th of April 1998 and this is the second interview with Missus Catherine group Dragona.
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My name is Gai Copeman. My name is Gai Copeman.
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This is programming. This is programming.
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Last week when we were talking, you started to tell me about when your husband was taken away during World War 2. [Katherine] "mhm", [Gai] can you tell me? Last week when we were talking, you started to tell me about when your husband was taken away during World War 2. [Katherine] "mhm", [Gai] can you tell me?
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What happened? How it happened? [Katherine] Well. What happened? How it happened? [Katherine] Well.
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They were taking them all away here. They took all such a lot. They only left three. They were taking them all away here. They took all such a lot. They only left three.
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And they were old like. And they were old like.
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Um. Um.
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He was one of the last to be, not last, but he was left home for the next morning. He was one of the last to be, not last, but he was left home for the next morning.
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We didn't have this rendered and that we only had, we had. We didn't have this rendered and that we only had, we had.
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Even there and things here. And we were sitting there and there's just the the cops were going round and round and I said to my husband, "hey, Innocent" (that was his name). I said, mhm, again, he said. I can hear that when they got here. Even there and things here. And we were sitting there and there's just the the cops were going round and round and I said to my husband, "hey, Innocent" (that was his name). I said, mhm, again, he said. I can hear that when they got here.
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One of them. I knew the cops very well, but they're not like now. Now they're more surly, but they they were more like. One of them. I knew the cops very well, but they're not like now. Now they're more surly, but they they were more like.
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And there was. And there was.
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Jack Tobin. Jack Tobin.
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And Harry Moy? They were picking them up already. And Harry Moy? They were picking them up already.
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And when they got to this one, they slowed down. I said "uh uh uh uh" and he said "shhhh". And when they got to this one, they slowed down. I said "uh uh uh uh" and he said "shhhh".
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So we were sitting here. So we were sitting here.
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And he said you be will be the next. And he said you be will be the next.
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I said, Oh, well, you can still sleep in the bed with me. I said, Oh, well, you can still sleep in the bed with me.
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Next morning he came, Jack came and he said um. Next morning he came, Jack came and he said um.
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Well, I'm sorry, but I've gotta take you, he said. We've we I tell the Harry Moy. Well, I'm sorry, but I've gotta take you, he said. We've we I tell the Harry Moy.
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To leave you here last night. To leave you here last night.
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But we're not gonna ask it well. But we're not gonna ask it well.
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I said to him there's no excuse because he's not naturalized. So they said we'll go down the town and get his power back, but they said don't put much in it. I said to him there's no excuse because he's not naturalized. So they said we'll go down the town and get his power back, but they said don't put much in it.
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And they said and don't give him much money. And they said and don't give him much money.
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So he went away with £4.60 cent 60 shillings. So he went away with £4.60 cent 60 shillings.
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So he went and they took him. Then they they stayed there at the the courthouse for quite a while. So he went and they took him. Then they they stayed there at the the courthouse for quite a while.
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And course. And course.
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I went up. I went up.
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And after a while when they had them all together. And after a while when they had them all together.
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They took him to Ingham. They took him to Ingham.
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And I said to my father, do you think you can take Julie and I after him? And I said to my father, do you think you can take Julie and I after him?
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He said. Ohh well I 'spose I can. He said. Ohh well I 'spose I can.
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I am. I said, well, I think there's other ones would wanna go up. And he said well. I am. I said, well, I think there's other ones would wanna go up. And he said well.
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I won't take the car, take the truck. So I don't know who went in him. I forget who went with it. Anyway, we went and they took us. I won't take the car, take the truck. So I don't know who went in him. I forget who went with it. Anyway, we went and they took us.
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They took all of the they were all unnaturalized. They took all of the they were all unnaturalized.
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And they took him down this end. It's just to be the wood. And they took him down this end. It's just to be the wood.
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They would have. They would have.
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For the train, though, they used to cut the bread, and they were all in there. And of course, there wasn't many of us. For the train, though, they used to cut the bread, and they were all in there. And of course, there wasn't many of us.
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We were outside and he was inside. We were outside and he was inside.
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Then again Julia to go on and say ohh daddy I love you and they said I love you too. But he said ohh anyway. She was growing. Then again Julia to go on and say ohh daddy I love you and they said I love you too. But he said ohh anyway. She was growing.
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Course, naturally I was crying. I said. Well, were they gonna take him with all this? Mum and she, she'd come back and say Mummy, Daddy said not to cry. Course, naturally I was crying. I said. Well, were they gonna take him with all this? Mum and she, she'd come back and say Mummy, Daddy said not to cry.
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And I said, well, but he said I will be daddy when he goes away. And I said, well, but he said I will be daddy when he goes away.
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So we waited till they went away. They took him on the train. Ohh, you should have seen him. So we waited till they went away. They took him on the train. Ohh, you should have seen him.
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The train had buzz. The train had buzz.
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The carriages that had all bars on the train. The carriages that had all bars on the train.
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And my daughter said to me, Mommy, look. And my daughter said to me, Mommy, look.
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And she is looking to you with any five. And she is looking to you with any five.
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Look. Look.
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I said they frightened, they come, the daddy come home again, so we come home. I said they frightened, they come, the daddy come home again, so we come home.
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And we and she comes there, and I cook supper and that and she said. And we and she comes there, and I cook supper and that and she said.
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What are we gonna do tonight? I said. Ohh. What are we gonna do tonight? I said. Ohh.
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Then over there, they'll be. Then over there, they'll be.
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She said, and she said, the table. She said, and she said, the table.
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She said. May they? She said. May they?
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Her hair and him here like we were together, I said. Daddy won't be home for supper. Her hair and him here like we were together, I said. Daddy won't be home for supper.
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So then they took him to Stewarts Creek. So then they took him to Stewarts Creek.
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And they stayed two or three days there. And they stayed two or three days there.
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And before that they took my father. And before that they took my father.
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And he was naturalized. And he was naturalized.
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But what they done to my father was, was it was really nasty. But what they done to my father was, was it was really nasty.
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I mean Dad here. I mean Dad here.
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It wasn't the king of anything, but none of the the Italians were dead, said they believe him. It wasn't the king of anything, but none of the the Italians were dead, said they believe him.
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And they got him about three or four days before they took him. And they got him about three or four days before they took him.
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They got him to go around to get money for the Red Cross. They got him to go around to get money for the Red Cross.
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Man, they said they came for fun. Man, they said they came for fun.
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And money for the ambulance. And money for the ambulance.
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And my father said, "look boys", he said "you're in Australia". And my father said, "look boys", he said "you're in Australia".
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Give what you can sometimes, like we only work six months of the year and the other six months we gotta live on what we, he said. Never mind even if you give them a A10 shillings or a pound, give them something so that all the gang gave them something. Two days after that they take him away. Kept him here 2 nights. Give what you can sometimes, like we only work six months of the year and the other six months we gotta live on what we, he said. Never mind even if you give them a A10 shillings or a pound, give them something so that all the gang gave them something. Two days after that they take him away. Kept him here 2 nights.
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In the courthouse. In the courthouse.
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And Dad had sugar at the time. And Dad had sugar at the time.
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So I said to my well, I said, well, he's gonna sleep on the floor. So Julie and I got up at the blank. They met as we had in. We took it over there for him to sleep. And the minute they said, ohh, he's the king. I said he's my father, never mind being a king. So I said to my well, I said, well, he's gonna sleep on the floor. So Julie and I got up at the blank. They met as we had in. We took it over there for him to sleep. And the minute they said, ohh, he's the king. I said he's my father, never mind being a king.
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I said they is not well anyway it's they live in those in Stewart's Creek. I said they is not well anyway it's they live in those in Stewart's Creek.
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And when they got this Jewish Greek handsome like there was a quite a big mob from Bimini side. There was two brothers, a father and two sons in Jewish Greek. When they got the Stewart St. these from Bemus, I knew a policeman in at the Stewarts Creek. They were all hungry. They had nothing to eat. And when they got this Jewish Greek handsome like there was a quite a big mob from Bimini side. There was two brothers, a father and two sons in Jewish Greek. When they got the Stewart St. these from Bemus, I knew a policeman in at the Stewarts Creek. They were all hungry. They had nothing to eat.
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So this. So this.
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Papa come up and Eggs is called the boys by their name, and then he said we're hungry, she said. Wait a minute. So he went out and got a loaf of bread. Papa come up and Eggs is called the boys by their name, and then he said we're hungry, she said. Wait a minute. So he went out and got a loaf of bread.
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Of course, everybody pretends that some of them had had meat and stuff in their port, but they wouldn't give you any. Of course, everybody pretends that some of them had had meat and stuff in their port, but they wouldn't give you any.
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So when the birds come in, my father got it and they said meet. No, he said, You got yours in your port, you didn't give us any. So when the birds come in, my father got it and they said meet. No, he said, You got yours in your port, you didn't give us any.
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So he gave it to the one that had nothing. So he gave it to the one that had nothing.
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So that was alright. They said 11 days Stewarts Creek. Then my father was taken because he was necessary. They was taken to. So that was alright. They said 11 days Stewarts Creek. Then my father was taken because he was necessary. They was taken to.
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Career year, that name they they took them to her and my husband was taken to the mirror. I would South Australia. Career year, that name they they took them to her and my husband was taken to the mirror. I would South Australia.
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So. So.
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I tell you, I've been through the mail. I tell you, I've been through the mail.
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And we tried to go down. And we tried to go down.
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And no chance of me going down with the little girl. And no chance of me going down with the little girl.
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We were getting ready. We had a a mouse, not an old fashion, but we had a a port. Must have been about that or you know about that being and about and every time we go to 10, she said. Mummy, buy a chocolate. We were getting ready. We had a a mouse, not an old fashion, but we had a a port. Must have been about that or you know about that being and about and every time we go to 10, she said. Mummy, buy a chocolate.
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I should have the chocolate or put it in a pot and when we're going to see Daddy, we'll eat it. She wouldn't eat it, so we tried everything, but we couldn't get down there. He had no room. I should have the chocolate or put it in a pot and when we're going to see Daddy, we'll eat it. She wouldn't eat it, so we tried everything, but we couldn't get down there. He had no room.
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He was, uh. He was, uh.
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Good. I guess this. Good. I guess this.
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Couldn't get there in there, so we stopped in. They stayed away about two to three years. Couldn't get there in there, so we stopped in. They stayed away about two to three years.
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And then when he came home. And then when he came home.
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We were waiting at the station in Ingham. We were waiting at the station in Ingham.
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And the train was late. And the train was late.
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And my my father was one that he didn't like to wait. He was when. And my my father was one that he didn't like to wait. He was when.
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And I said to him, Ohh, daddy, he said, you waited till now you can wait another half an hour. And I said to him, Ohh, daddy, he said, you waited till now you can wait another half an hour.
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So when he got off, he had a friend with him. So when he got off, he had a friend with him.
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And I knew this evening. And I knew this evening.
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But one hit this friend. But one hit this friend.
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Her heart, her his wife played up with the Yanks and the sailors. Her heart, her his wife played up with the Yanks and the sailors.
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So he can always said he had nobody on the station to meet him or was terrible. So he can always said he had nobody on the station to meet him or was terrible.
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So I went over and I said that Armando. So I went over and I said that Armando.
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Glad to be home, he said. Yes. But you, you got him. I got nobody. Glad to be home, he said. Yes. But you, you got him. I got nobody.
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So then they we came home, and Julia couldn't realize that Daddy was home. So then they we came home, and Julia couldn't realize that Daddy was home.
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She couldn't realize being away. And anyway we come home and my husband, my dad said I'll take Julia home and he said no, I want to stop at my daddy. You wouldn't go. She stopped with her daddy. She couldn't realize being away. And anyway we come home and my husband, my dad said I'll take Julia home and he said no, I want to stop at my daddy. You wouldn't go. She stopped with her daddy.
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No, we went through the through the middle and we lived on 18 and three pounds a week. No, we went through the through the middle and we lived on 18 and three pounds a week.
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First they were giving us, I don't know if I said it before they give. They were giving us vouchers for milk, sugar and things like that. First they were giving us, I don't know if I said it before they give. They were giving us vouchers for milk, sugar and things like that.
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And all the women said, come on Lena, come on, say something. I said, what can I say? And all the women said, come on Lena, come on, say something. I said, what can I say?
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You tell him that we don't want this. She see some of the. You tell him that we don't want this. She see some of the.
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The farmers gave these women milk on the farm. They had cows. And so I went up and I said to the cops, hey. The farmers gave these women milk on the farm. They had cows. And so I went up and I said to the cops, hey.
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And I said to Harry, Harry Ray, He's in towns on me. You ever heard him? And I said to Harry, Harry Ray, He's in towns on me. You ever heard him?
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Harry Reid, Listen, Harry. Harry Reid, Listen, Harry.
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We women don't want that virtues. We women don't want that virtues.
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I said May for when? I said May for when?
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Mandy got 2 cows home and she sends me milk. Mandy got 2 cows home and she sends me milk.
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And I said this ever go A couple of women have got time and they get milk. And I said this ever go A couple of women have got time and they get milk.
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We buy the milk, powdered milk for nothing, he said. Alright, so he must have done something and we were getting the 18 and tripping a week. We buy the milk, powdered milk for nothing, he said. Alright, so he must have done something and we were getting the 18 and tripping a week.
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If you had a child, you're getting 18 and tripping, and if you weren't, you didn't had nobody, you wouldn't get that much. If you had a child, you're getting 18 and tripping, and if you weren't, you didn't had nobody, you wouldn't get that much.
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So that's how we lived on it. So that's how we lived on it.
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I was lucky. My mom used to give me milk and things like that, but she one year she paid the rights for me. I was lucky. My mom used to give me milk and things like that, but she one year she paid the rights for me.
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Uh, no. Uh, no.
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I wouldn't want to go through it again. I wouldn't want to go through it again.
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And whenever a new course, then well within and thriving, what could you get with lighting? And of course everything was cheap. And whenever a new course, then well within and thriving, what could you get with lighting? And of course everything was cheap.
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But one of them said, Ohh, you're lucky you got your mother, I said. My mother can't keep me all the time. But one of them said, Ohh, you're lucky you got your mother, I said. My mother can't keep me all the time.
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They had nobody to work the farm. They had nobody to work the farm.
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She'd go out and she would. She'd go out and she would.
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When she wasn't used to doing fine work and we'd go out and we got one bloke 1. When she wasn't used to doing fine work and we'd go out and we got one bloke 1.
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When they the shipping is cheaper. When they the shipping is cheaper.
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And my daughter said him Is he good? Please. And my daughter said him Is he good? Please.
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So, but I I went out in the farm for a while I lived in my house. I was getting 12 and six a week. So, but I I went out in the farm for a while I lived in my house. I was getting 12 and six a week.
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And after a while, my daughter said, Mummy, we go back home. And after a while, my daughter said, Mummy, we go back home.
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And I said, don't you like this stuff? But Granny, she said. It's too far out of town. We can't go to the pitches. And I said, don't you like this stuff? But Granny, she said. It's too far out of town. We can't go to the pitches.
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I said, all right, when the people go out, we'll go home. So we came home. I said, all right, when the people go out, we'll go home. So we came home.
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And there was a a cafe here called Angelo Pincas. And there was a a cafe here called Angelo Pincas.
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Ohh, the Yanks were here and the and all that. Ohh, the Yanks were here and the and all that.
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And course, dinner time. I used to go down and give my hand. And course, dinner time. I used to go down and give my hand.
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And the woman that was next door in the hotel. And the woman that was next door in the hotel.
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She had her husband away but she was alright. She was getting rice and milk and rice and oil and from the soldiers. She had her husband away but she was alright. She was getting rice and milk and rice and oil and from the soldiers.
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So she went down. The cops that I was working. So she went down. The cops that I was working.
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So. So.
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Because the size, I forget who the size you want, he had to go and see, he said. No, she is not getting paid from me. Because the size, I forget who the size you want, he had to go and see, he said. No, she is not getting paid from me.
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She helps me. She helps me.
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She said. How can a woman live on 18 and drippings a week and send a girl to school, dressed and everything? She said. How can a woman live on 18 and drippings a week and send a girl to school, dressed and everything?
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Is these? He said no, she's not getting paid, he said. I'm feeding her. Is these? He said no, she's not getting paid, he said. I'm feeding her.
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She's washing up. She serves a mean name, but she said I'm not paying her. She's washing up. She serves a mean name, but she said I'm not paying her.
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So he said OK. So he said OK.
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So that was all right. Some night had come out two or 3:00 in the morning, and nobody ever put a hand on me. Never. There was *******. So that was all right. Some night had come out two or 3:00 in the morning, and nobody ever put a hand on me. Never. There was *******.
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And there was a Yanks and everybody. One day, once at the afternoon, I could see this. And there was a Yanks and everybody. One day, once at the afternoon, I could see this.
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Abraham said. I don't know if you heard him in towns or the whole family was in Townsville, they were here. Abraham said. I don't know if you heard him in towns or the whole family was in Townsville, they were here.
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And. And.
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Outputting, talking to all these *****. Outputting, talking to all these *****.
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Ohh ****. After they went away at it. Come over here boy. Ohh ****. After they went away at it. Come over here boy.
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The acid. What did you turn? Turn. The acid. What did you turn? Turn.
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That talk, talk to the neighbors about I know you're talking about me. That talk, talk to the neighbors about I know you're talking about me.
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He said if they put a hand on you, they gotta talk to me. He said if they put a hand on you, they gotta talk to me.
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I said, but they don't hurt me. I treat them as if they're, you know, he said. Not one of those dank Negress put a hand on me. I said, but they don't hurt me. I treat them as if they're, you know, he said. Not one of those dank Negress put a hand on me.
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Not one and not come home 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning, and the daughter went on to the shelter one night. Not one and not come home 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning, and the daughter went on to the shelter one night.
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It was pretty light. It was pretty light.
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And there was when one of the girls that used to she shouldn't be there, but the the police gave her permission. And there was when one of the girls that used to she shouldn't be there, but the the police gave her permission.
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She was living at the Wash Away. She was living at the Wash Away.
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And she played up to a captain, a *****. And she played up to a captain, a *****.
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When I go to, I come home. I used to come home and change yourself and change Julie and all the rest and go in and here she was, you know, give shaping up to your own little darling and all that. I said, really? You'll be sorry, girl. When I go to, I come home. I used to come home and change yourself and change Julie and all the rest and go in and here she was, you know, give shaping up to your own little darling and all that. I said, really? You'll be sorry, girl.
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I said you shouldn't do that. I said you shouldn't do that.
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She said why? I said you shouldn't. She said why? I said you shouldn't.
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I said they're ******* and they. I said they're ******* and they.
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If you just play with them, look out. If you just play with them, look out.
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Anyway, that night that bloke was out and up and down, up and down. I said see, what are you going to do now? She didn't know what to do. Anyway, that night that bloke was out and up and down, up and down. I said see, what are you going to do now? She didn't know what to do.
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So I said Angelo had his son home. Paul, I said I pull him. Do me a favor. He said yes. So I said Angelo had his son home. Paul, I said I pull him. Do me a favor. He said yes.
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He said that I said, when you work, walk me and Julia and rainy after my place. He said that I said, when you work, walk me and Julia and rainy after my place.
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And he said, well, I said see that, she said. But she brought it on herself and I said yes, but she's stupid. And he said, well, I said see that, she said. But she brought it on herself and I said yes, but she's stupid.
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So she brought us home and said I'd come and pull. Walk me home, please. So she brought us home and said I'd come and pull. Walk me home, please.
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Person. All right, I'll come. You walked me home to here and she had a bike. She and I said get on that bike and go for your life. So she never done it again. I said you shouldn't do that. Person. All right, I'll come. You walked me home to here and she had a bike. She and I said get on that bike and go for your life. So she never done it again. I said you shouldn't do that.
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She said I'll because I said no, I'm not jealous. She said I'll because I said no, I'm not jealous.
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Because I said there's a lot of them that tried funny business on me, but I said, hey, I'm a married woman and I got a little girl and Junior would not take pictures of him. Because I said there's a lot of them that tried funny business on me, but I said, hey, I'm a married woman and I got a little girl and Junior would not take pictures of him.
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There was one that he was very nice. There was one that he was very nice.
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He was a. He was a.
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Not a captain, but anyway. Not a captain, but anyway.
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And they got me one day and they said your little girl will not take pictures of me. And they got me one day and they said your little girl will not take pictures of me.
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I said no. I said no.
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My little girl will not take the case of anybody because she said because I'm black. I said no, not because you're black. My little girl will not take the case of anybody because she said because I'm black. I said no, not because you're black.
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I should have brought her up, the types of nobody, white or black. I should have brought her up, the types of nobody, white or black.
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He said why? I said I read to minister too many stories. I put something in the pig. I said I believe you. He said why? I said I read to minister too many stories. I put something in the pig. I said I believe you.
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He said the I'll give her a packet that's not been broken. He said the I'll give her a packet that's not been broken.
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I said, well, she might do that. I said, well, she might do that.
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So she called her over. He said. Little girl, come over here. I gotta give you something now because. So she called her over. He said. Little girl, come over here. I gotta give you something now because.
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And ** *** went out and they said she looked at me now. And ** *** went out and they said she looked at me now.
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Is that we gave it to her but she wouldn't take it. Uh, OK, ma'am. All hours of the morning like. Is that we gave it to her but she wouldn't take it. Uh, OK, ma'am. All hours of the morning like.
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Helping, because otherwise I'd have to go. Didn't have to go back. But you're there all day, they feed you and do nothing. So I used to stay in and sleeping in the morning she'd go to school with her. Helping, because otherwise I'd have to go. Didn't have to go back. But you're there all day, they feed you and do nothing. So I used to stay in and sleeping in the morning she'd go to school with her.
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With his daughter and she go there for dinner and then she go back to school again. With his daughter and she go there for dinner and then she go back to school again.
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And then I said no. And then I said no.
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They never ever touched me. Some of them, they was able to make night. They never ever touched me. Some of them, they was able to make night.
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Um, they weren't dark. They weren't, uh, they they were the Palm Islanders. Um, they weren't dark. They weren't, uh, they they were the Palm Islanders.
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And they they they did funny things to her and she reported to the police. So they didn't send the Palm Islands over anymore. And they they they did funny things to her and she reported to the police. So they didn't send the Palm Islands over anymore.
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I mean, you treat the people properly. They don't touch you. I know I used to come home and and then Angela say, Marie, you frightened, they go home. I mean, you treat the people properly. They don't touch you. I know I used to come home and and then Angela say, Marie, you frightened, they go home.
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No, I said. I'm not right. My husband's home waiting for me. No, I said. I'm not right. My husband's home waiting for me.
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They believe that one night we come home over the Schooley, there was a commotion. They believe that one night we come home over the Schooley, there was a commotion.
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And I looked there and and Julie said Mummy, then put the light on, then put the light on. Let's see, this was all open. We didn't put the light on and we put nothing on. And we just looked outside and he was. And I looked there and and Julie said Mummy, then put the light on, then put the light on. Let's see, this was all open. We didn't put the light on and we put nothing on. And we just looked outside and he was.
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And Larry Loud of. And Larry Loud of.
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Yes, I think they were. They were looking for missus black bliss. Yes, I think they were. They were looking for missus black bliss.
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She was the woman then there that used to take them in on. She was the woman then there that used to take them in on.
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And they say you gonna I'll stop in and wait and you say what do they mean? I said I don't know. And they say you gonna I'll stop in and wait and you say what do they mean? I said I don't know.
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No, but I, I I used to come home, but when I used to hear voices around, we never put the light on. But this was open. No, but I, I I used to come home, but when I used to hear voices around, we never put the light on. But this was open.
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But we get to bed because we had a lot of here. I think it was, yeah. Here we could see the light, but. But we get to bed because we had a lot of here. I think it was, yeah. Here we could see the light, but.
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I've never ever. I've never ever.
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I wouldn't like to go through it again, but. I wouldn't like to go through it again, but.
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And the little girl she'd got, I'd be here helping them at the cafe and then I'd go home on the bike and the Cassidys and. And the little girl she'd got, I'd be here helping them at the cafe and then I'd go home on the bike and the Cassidys and.
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Was sailors. They used to live there where the water towers. That was the garden. They used to call it the the darkest garden kid got home, she said. I'll go home with the the silos. Was sailors. They used to live there where the water towers. That was the garden. They used to call it the the darkest garden kid got home, she said. I'll go home with the the silos.
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And when she went to the last house, treasure was there. She was good treasure. And when she went to the last house, treasure was there. She was good treasure.
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Julius, I said. I want to drink a water. Julius, I said. I want to drink a water.
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Every now, every afternoon she went home, she had to have a drink of water, of treason. Every now, every afternoon she went home, she had to have a drink of water, of treason.
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So the all the the other casualties in that Wanna take her shoes, Wanna take a port, Wanna take a hat that bring her home. I had nothing to against the darkish. Some of them say ohh they're no good. So the all the the other casualties in that Wanna take her shoes, Wanna take a port, Wanna take a hat that bring her home. I had nothing to against the darkish. Some of them say ohh they're no good.
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I should know. I went to school with the whole lot of them, the whole Seven Sisters. I should know. I went to school with the whole lot of them, the whole Seven Sisters.
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I don't think there's any left. Yeah, there's one left. I don't think there's any left. Yeah, there's one left.
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And Missus Barrett. And Missus Barrett.
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No. No.
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Then when he came home, he wasn't allowed to go out because he wasn't that surprised. Then when he came home, he wasn't allowed to go out because he wasn't that surprised.
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We need to go. We need to go.
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He'd missed him. It's almost they never stopped us from going. He'd missed him. It's almost they never stopped us from going.
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They get dressed and she said, well, goodbye, Daddy. She gonna give it. She's gonna give him a kiss. Goodbye, Daddy, we're going to pictures, she said. But don't you shift from that table. They get dressed and she said, well, goodbye, Daddy. She gonna give it. She's gonna give him a kiss. Goodbye, Daddy, we're going to pictures, she said. But don't you shift from that table.
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So is it a crunch shoot? So is it a crunch shoot?
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So then after I got him, I got him naturalized. You know, I had to get naturalized. So then after I got him, I got him naturalized. You know, I had to get naturalized.
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When he went away, I I. When he went away, I I.
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I went downtown once. I went downtown once.
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Or something, I said. Ohh, I said back home. Or something, I said. Ohh, I said back home.
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As a but I naturalized I was born here. As a but I naturalized I was born here.
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You're not naturalized anymore. You're not naturalized anymore.
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And I said, why aren't I? Because she said. And I said, why aren't I? Because she said.
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Because she said that you you married an Indian. Because she said that you you married an Indian.
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So I had to pay attention and to get naturalized. I've still got the papers there. So I had to pay attention and to get naturalized. I've still got the papers there.
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I said where, where where am I going to go? I said where, where where am I going to go?
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He said You're taking your husband's nationality. He said You're taking your husband's nationality.
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Funny world. Funny world.
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So when they come back, I say come on. So when they come back, I say come on.
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I said we've got a girl now. I said we've got a girl now.
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We better, you better get it and naturally, like, I think it cost him 5-10. We better, you better get it and naturally, like, I think it cost him 5-10.
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You said your father was taken away. How long was he gone for? You said your father was taken away. How long was he gone for?
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Can't play years. I think it was, but he only went to. Can't play years. I think it was, but he only went to.
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Cara. Cara.
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See he He had sugar. See he He had sugar.
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And he was kind of. And he was kind of.
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He was in hospital. He was in hospital.
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But the staff in hospital, he was the gardener. But the staff in hospital, he was the gardener.
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So they get through my hospital. So they get through my hospital.
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But he did have sugar. He was poor. He had sugars till he died. But he did have sugar. He was poor. He had sugars till he died.
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1936. 1936.
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He he went down there in the, in the. He he went down there in the, in the.
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Stable and went through the you know, the horses muck and all that, and they put a piece of wood stick through his foot and it was never getting better. Stable and went through the you know, the horses muck and all that, and they put a piece of wood stick through his foot and it was never getting better.
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So he went to the doctor and they tested and he have sugar. So he went to the doctor and they tested and he have sugar.
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He used to take insulin. He used to take insulin.
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But the. But the.
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He had sugar till he died. He had sugar till he died.
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Mom used to give him the needle, and she'd be. Mom used to give him the needle, and she'd be.
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In justly. In justly.
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And Marley was they then they had. And Marley was they then they had.
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He had a a stroke. He had a a stroke.
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And he was nine months in hospital. And he was nine months in hospital.
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And those nine months other already lost my girl. I lost her in 1947. And those nine months other already lost my girl. I lost her in 1947.
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Because I had. I was up there in the hospital, was not like now. They got a nurse in every corner sitting down. They were very short of nurses. Because I had. I was up there in the hospital, was not like now. They got a nurse in every corner sitting down. They were very short of nurses.
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And the night that they could took sick. And the night that they could took sick.
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My husband came home with the car and I said that's not that driving, it's going too fast for them anyway come in and they said. My husband came home with the car and I said that's not that driving, it's going too fast for them anyway come in and they said.
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I want you to come down there, but, he said. No crying. I want you to come down there, but, he said. No crying.
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I said what happened? He said you see when they get there and that had he was locked his, he had his, he had a stroke, he said Ohh, I thought you'd come and see me. I said what happened? He said you see when they get there and that had he was locked his, he had his, he had a stroke, he said Ohh, I thought you'd come and see me.
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So uh, we I rang uh now one of the men went out for mom and then they come. And then Mom went up and the end was with the with dad and I. We went up with the car. So uh, we I rang uh now one of the men went out for mom and then they come. And then Mom went up and the end was with the with dad and I. We went up with the car.
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And every morning after that for nine months. And every morning after that for nine months.
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I used to get a 4:00 cook. I used to get a 4:00 cook.
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Do everything I had to do and catch the bus. Do everything I had to do and catch the bus.
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No, Yes and no. I they left me the car because they had another one. No, Yes and no. I they left me the car because they had another one.
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And they used to go with the car. And I said, now see, Mama, if you could drive, you could have gone home with the car. She'd have to come to town and hang him and wait for the bus to go. And then we'll get the phone. And they used to go with the car. And I said, now see, Mama, if you could drive, you could have gone home with the car. She'd have to come to town and hang him and wait for the bus to go. And then we'll get the phone.
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The attic wouldn't come in together. The attic wouldn't come in together.
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And then at night she came up and she stay at the hospital, but she slept all night. And then at night she came up and she stay at the hospital, but she slept all night.
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Because we had. Because we had.
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Those that were sleeping and there was four in one bed and Doctor Morrissey was very good. He always kept one bed next to dad. And course it's a media, media. Those that were sleeping and there was four in one bed and Doctor Morrissey was very good. He always kept one bed next to dad. And course it's a media, media.
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She never. And the nurse would come. Next morning when I go up in the chat next door. He was in there. She never. And the nurse would come. Next morning when I go up in the chat next door. He was in there.
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He should go on. Your father called your mother lot last night, but she never moved. He should go on. Your father called your mother lot last night, but she never moved.
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I said what would she do if if if she stayed there all day? She said he he wouldn't get anything anyway. One of the nurses said that if I hadn't have stayed with him, he wouldn't have asked him. I said what would she do if if if she stayed there all day? She said he he wouldn't get anything anyway. One of the nurses said that if I hadn't have stayed with him, he wouldn't have asked him.
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Uh. Uh.
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Course I could do it. I didn't have the girl I had. I was on my own. I'd have to get up and get his and then he'd come up with them with the car and I'd come home with them. Course I could do it. I didn't have the girl I had. I was on my own. I'd have to get up and get his and then he'd come up with them with the car and I'd come home with them.
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Mama stopped there. And I've come home. Mama stopped there. And I've come home.
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Then when I did get married, 1936. Then when I did get married, 1936.
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They were against it. They were against it.
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I said where? I said where?
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That one is not good. That one is not good. That one not good, and this is going to be it. That one is not good. That one is not good. That one not good, and this is going to be it.
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So we got married 1936. We stopped in the front of the house there where the doctor's office a month or so. She said no good to me, no good paying rent and having nothing left. So we bought this house, but we really made it up. So we got married 1936. We stopped in the front of the house there where the doctor's office a month or so. She said no good to me, no good paying rent and having nothing left. So we bought this house, but we really made it up.
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Course, Judy. Come Along, 1937. Course, Judy. Come Along, 1937.
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I didn't. I I. I didn't. I I.
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I didn't regret having another bit. I didn't regret having another bit.
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But I regretted when they took her. But I regretted when they took her.
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1947 they took a detour. 1947 they took a detour.
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No, the world is no good. No, the world is no good.
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Not for me, anyway. Not for me, anyway.
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Can you tell us what happened to Julie? Can you tell us what happened to Julie when Julia, just when she used to go out every weekend, she used to go out home, never even come inside. She used to put the port there, there, man, put your put my put away. And she'd go down the street and sit in the car and wait and go home with Dad. Can you tell us what happened to Julie? Can you tell us what happened to Julie when Julia, just when she used to go out every weekend, she used to go out home, never even come inside. She used to put the port there, there, man, put your put my put away. And she'd go down the street and sit in the car and wait and go home with Dad.
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At this morning, Dad took her in after school Monday morning. At this morning, Dad took her in after school Monday morning.
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And she said to me, moving, my legs are sore. And she said to me, moving, my legs are sore.
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I said, did you run a ran out home? No, she said. I didn't. I said, did you run a ran out home? No, she said. I didn't.
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But she said, I wanna go, Ohh, you're not going to school. Not going to school. But she said, I wanna go, Ohh, you're not going to school. Not going to school.
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I said, did you eat anything? And she said no. I said anyway, I'm gonna give you a dose of cost. I said, did you eat anything? And she said no. I said anyway, I'm gonna give you a dose of cost.
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And there's a Gastron, he said. I didn't need anything. And there's a Gastron, he said. I didn't need anything.
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I said. But you're going to have it just the same. I said. But you're going to have it just the same.
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Of course, when she had it, I didn't leave it go down the toilet. I wanted to know what she and she had stammers. Of course, when she had it, I didn't leave it go down the toilet. I wanted to know what she and she had stammers.
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But she had. She's an old, but that wasn't it. Anyway, she got sick and dinner time. But she had. She's an old, but that wasn't it. Anyway, she got sick and dinner time.
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She was very sick and he was Captain Kane and I said, well when Daddy comes in, we'll see what he says when he come home. I said look, she's been sick all morning, but she wanted to go to school and she took her to. She was very sick and he was Captain Kane and I said, well when Daddy comes in, we'll see what he says when he come home. I said look, she's been sick all morning, but she wanted to go to school and she took her to.
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We sent for the ambulance and took her up and she never came back. She went in the hospital and 19th and November, 20th December she was dead just. We sent for the ambulance and took her up and she never came back. She went in the hospital and 19th and November, 20th December she was dead just.
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They said she had a virus. They said she had a virus.
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And the next year? And the next year?
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The nurse that was looked after Julie that year that she was in hospital, she was already she was married and she had a boy. And I said to her, Brenda, what are you doing here? The nurse that was looked after Julie that year that she was in hospital, she was already she was married and she had a boy. And I said to her, Brenda, what are you doing here?
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I was almost taken some old woman up to the hospital when was sick and the other was and something else was bringing somebody. I was almost taken some old woman up to the hospital when was sick and the other was and something else was bringing somebody.
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Jesus, I've got young Peter up here, I said. Jesus, I've got young Peter up here, I said.
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And I said is he alright? And she said he's got one that Julia had but they had antibiotics. And I said is he alright? And she said he's got one that Julia had but they had antibiotics.
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The next year, she said that, she said. If we had banded biotics, we'd have Julia here in him. The next year, she said that, she said. If we had banded biotics, we'd have Julia here in him.
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I said yes. Just just like not having her. I said yes. Just just like not having her.
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Because then that took sick. Because then that took sick.
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First of all, mum got sick. First of all, mum got sick.
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We thought we were she was going to go. She had a. We thought we were she was going to go. She had a.
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A thrill through ohh she will bed and then she got over that and then dad took sick. A thrill through ohh she will bed and then she got over that and then dad took sick.
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He was in hospital nine months. He was in hospital nine months.
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Then we took him home. Doctor. Doctor. Then we took him home. Doctor. Doctor.
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Mario said, look, we can't do any more. He said you're doing all the job, he all looking after him, she said. What about you taking him? I said well give me. Mario said, look, we can't do any more. He said you're doing all the job, he all looking after him, she said. What about you taking him? I said well give me.
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Two or three days, they don't get the back. Two or three days, they don't get the back.
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Room that the girl was in. Fixed for them. For them both. So he did. We took him home. Room that the girl was in. Fixed for them. For them both. So he did. We took him home.
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And the ohh he was here couple of months. And the ohh he was here couple of months.
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When morning. When morning.
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I'm here. I'm here.
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Say something going on in their room. Say something going on in their room.
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He said well if they want to take him and let them take your mum. He said well if they want to take him and let them take your mum.
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So they took him home. So they took him home.
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Nobody go out of the farm. Nobody go out of the farm.
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One thing that didn't didn't like the sister-in-law. One thing that didn't didn't like the sister-in-law.
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Another thing, people wouldn't go after the farm. Another thing, people wouldn't go after the farm.
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Had to go down then, they said. Had to go down then, they said.
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Go up the day the guy show the guy shepherd out and go in. Then just the city. Go up the day the guy show the guy shepherd out and go in. Then just the city.
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And when they went out, they found nobody went there. He died them. And when they went out, they found nobody went there. He died them.
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I couldn't go out there all the time. I couldn't go out there all the time.
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When I did go out there, he saw you come to see me. I said. Well, I can't be here all the time. When I did go out there, he saw you come to see me. I said. Well, I can't be here all the time.
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And the day. The night that they died. And the day. The night that they died.
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And no sooner got home. And no sooner got home.
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That the, the boy that was that they had with him, the cousin of mine. They had. They they, he said, come in with the bike, he said Me. But they come back. Your dad's taking sick again. That the, the boy that was that they had with him, the cousin of mine. They had. They they, he said, come in with the bike, he said Me. But they come back. Your dad's taking sick again.
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So I didn't know whether I'd left the stove on. So I didn't know whether I'd left the stove on.