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Now today, the 1st of May 1991, I'm in the home of Mrs. Lottie Reed at 22 Litton Street, Wentworthville. Now Lottie was introduced to me as a long-time resident of Wentworthville and she has done a wonderful job in collecting many of her friends who have gathered here this morning to tell us some of their memoirs of Wentworthville. Now today, the 1st of May 1991, I'm in the home of Mrs. Lottie Reed at 22 Litton Street, Wentworthville. Now Lottie was introduced to me as a long-time resident of Wentworthville and she has done a wonderful job in collecting many of her friends who have gathered here this morning to tell us some of their memoirs of Wentworthville.
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Because of the big number, I will now ask each one to introduce themselves Because of the big number, I will now ask each one to introduce themselves
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and tell us a little of when they first came and their early memories of 'Wentie'. And then we can just go wandering on and everybody can have their say and fill us in. Thank you. Now, Lottie, would you like to start? Well, I came to Wentworthville 52 years ago. and tell us a little of when they first came and their early memories of 'Wentie'. And then we can just go wandering on and everybody can have their say and fill us in. Thank you. Now, Lottie, would you like to start? Well, I came to Wentworthville 52 years ago.
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Harold had purchased a delicatessen in Station Street. We started off in a very small way. Harold had purchased a delicatessen in Station Street. We started off in a very small way.
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And at that stage we rented a house down on the corner of Litton Street and Veron Street until our house was built in Pritchard Street. The land was purchased in Pritchard Street And at that stage we rented a house down on the corner of Litton Street and Veron Street until our house was built in Pritchard Street. The land was purchased in Pritchard Street
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for I think it was £ 135 . It had a group of wattle trees across the front of it, of which Mr. Constable, who lived opposite and was the policeman many years before, for I think it was £ 135 . It had a group of wattle trees across the front of it, of which Mr. Constable, who lived opposite and was the policeman many years before,
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asked if he could he have the wattle trees because he wanted the gum from them. Now I don't know whether he was using that for tanning or something. Did they use gum for - What they did was use the gum, the wattle bark asked if he could he have the wattle trees because he wanted the gum from them. Now I don't know whether he was using that for tanning or something. Did they use gum for - What they did was use the gum, the wattle bark
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wattle bark I think they used the wattle back for tanning, tanning skins and all that sort of thing. wattle bark I think they used the wattle back for tanning, tanning skins and all that sort of thing.
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Evidently, that's what he wanted. He wanted the wattle for tanning. The gum was used for varnish. What was that? The gum was used for a varnish. Evidently, that's what he wanted. He wanted the wattle for tanning. The gum was used for varnish. What was that? The gum was used for a varnish.
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And how old were you, Lottie, when you came here? 27... And how old were you, Lottie, when you came here? 27...
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And when did you move into this house? Well, we moved into this house 11 years ago because our house in Pritchard Street was required for the present parking area And when did you move into this house? Well, we moved into this house 11 years ago because our house in Pritchard Street was required for the present parking area
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At one stage up in Fullagar Rd. No. At one stage up in Fullagar Rd. No.
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You, you was used to live in the corner Fullagar Rd  and well, I think it's Garfield St. now. Oh, no, that was Harold's mum and father. They lived in that corner house. You, you was used to live in the corner Fullagar Rd  and well, I think it's Garfield St. now. Oh, no, that was Harold's mum and father. They lived in that corner house.
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And Harold's mother used to have the little tuck shop at the back of the school. Yes, well Harold's father, at that stage, he was out of work through the depression and then he did work prior to that with Hodsons in Summer Hill. And Harold's mother used to have the little tuck shop at the back of the school. Yes, well Harold's father, at that stage, he was out of work through the depression and then he did work prior to that with Hodsons in Summer Hill.
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It was a time payment firm. Well, he lived for about two years up in that place and then Hodson's came to him and asked him would he come back and collect the debts that were outstanding. Well, he had no transport, so Harold bought him a horse and sulky and he started out and he used to go from Wentworthville up as far as  It was a time payment firm. Well, he lived for about two years up in that place and then Hodson's came to him and asked him would he come back and collect the debts that were outstanding. Well, he had no transport, so Harold bought him a horse and sulky and he started out and he used to go from Wentworthville up as far as 
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Doonside and out to St. Mary's. Get up in the morning and  Doonside and out to St. Mary's. Get up in the morning and 
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drive the horse and sulky out there, collecting money that was owing. I think they used to charge you a percentage and then people would get all those things on time payment. Now he  kept the horse up in what we used to call the Rose Garden. drive the horse and sulky out there, collecting money that was owing. I think they used to charge you a percentage and then people would get all those things on time payment. Now he  kept the horse up in what we used to call the Rose Garden.
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Where was the end? What was the Rose Garden? Now that was the end. Where was the end? What was the Rose Garden? Now that was the end.
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Charlie used to do the same thing. He was insured. That's right. That's right. Yes, Charlie used to do that. Charlie used to do the same thing. He was insured. That's right. That's right. Yes, Charlie used to do that.
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The horse and cat, Oggy, I wonder if we can just perhaps leave it at that and we'll just go and carry around the circle and come back later on. Gwen, can you tell me about you?  I came to NSW from Brisbane and my father died when I was 11 year old and I started, went to school in 1923. The horse and cat, Oggy, I wonder if we can just perhaps leave it at that and we'll just go and carry around the circle and come back later on. Gwen, can you tell me about you?  I came to NSW from Brisbane and my father died when I was 11 year old and I started, went to school in 1923.
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And in that time, it was nearly all paddocks and wedding. And in that time, it was nearly all paddocks and wedding.
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And over the other side of the Western Rd. was called the Bull Paddock and that's where I live today, in the bull paddock. But I do remember the  sanitary carts used to come around at night time with a portal grey two horses and they used to drive the cattle through Bridge Road right down. I don't know where they were taking them to, if it was Riverston or where, from the side yards. And over the other side of the Western Rd. was called the Bull Paddock and that's where I live today, in the bull paddock. But I do remember the  sanitary carts used to come around at night time with a portal grey two horses and they used to drive the cattle through Bridge Road right down. I don't know where they were taking them to, if it was Riverston or where, from the side yards.
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We used to cut across the paddocks from our house on Bridge Rd. down to Winterfell station and walk across the railway line with no no steps there then and carts are trying. We used to cut across the paddocks from our house on Bridge Rd. down to Winterfell station and walk across the railway line with no no steps there then and carts are trying.
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But there's, there's a lot that could be said, but I'll leave it to. We'll come back anyway. We'll wait for that. Thank you. Now, Lance, would you tell me about when you were born and when you first came to? I came to Wentworthville in 1914 from Mudgee. And we, we had a poultry farm in, on the corner of Wentworth Avenue and Binalong Rd. My father had and then But there's, there's a lot that could be said, but I'll leave it to. We'll come back anyway. We'll wait for that. Thank you. Now, Lance, would you tell me about when you were born and when you first came to? I came to Wentworthville in 1914 from Mudgee. And we, we had a poultry farm in, on the corner of Wentworth Avenue and Binalong Rd. My father had and then
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I went to school at wentworthville and and that was in 1914 and I went to school wentworthvile until 1917 and in 1917 I started in the post office. I went to school at wentworthville and and that was in 1914 and I went to school wentworthvile until 1917 and in 1917 I started in the post office.
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I got a job in in the GPO in Sydney and I was there until 1924 when they made an official post office at Wentworthville and then I was, got an appointment to Wentworthville a postman. I got a job in in the GPO in Sydney and I was there until 1924 when they made an official post office at Wentworthville and then I was, got an appointment to Wentworthville a postman.
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And then from 1924 until  And then from 1924 until 
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I think it was about 1960, I was postman I think it was about 1960, I was postman
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At Wentworthville and we used to At Wentworthville and we used to
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deliver the mail. Well, I delivered the mail first on horseback and for a couple of years and then the I had to get get a loan of a a pony on this particular day and it tore up the footpath on Pritchard Street. So I burnt with us was in the place. Then he had a nice footpath. So he he tore up, the the pony tore up the footpath deliver the mail. Well, I delivered the mail first on horseback and for a couple of years and then the I had to get get a loan of a a pony on this particular day and it tore up the footpath on Pritchard Street. So I burnt with us was in the place. Then he had a nice footpath. So he he tore up, the the pony tore up the footpath
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because he wouldn't get near the letterbox. because he wouldn't get near the letterbox.
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So then I they from then on we we had to, we had to have push bikes and I had a push bike then and for the rest of the time. So then I they from then on we we had to, we had to have push bikes and I had a push bike then and for the rest of the time.
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I delivered the mail in Wentworthville for I think the best part of well, 40 odd years and then I retired. I delivered the mail in Wentworthville for I think the best part of well, 40 odd years and then I retired.
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Thanks, Lance. In case we forget to come back to this point later, you might tell us  Thanks, Lance. In case we forget to come back to this point later, you might tell us 
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how people collected their mail before the post office was built. how people collected their mail before the post office was built.
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Was it you or would you like someone else in the group to talk about that? Well, they used to they used to deliver the they used to gaff to go to the post office on the corner of Wentworth Avenue and and. Was it you or would you like someone else in the group to talk about that? Well, they used to they used to deliver the they used to gaff to go to the post office on the corner of Wentworth Avenue and and.
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Railway Street, at that time, the railway used to go right through. It didn't used to have to have gates at the on the railway and they used to have to pick up their mail from the from the post office. Railway Street, at that time, the railway used to go right through. It didn't used to have to have gates at the on the railway and they used to have to pick up their mail from the from the post office.
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Like from day-to-day, whenever they wanted to pick up their mail, they used to have to pick it up from the post office. Hi, thanks very much. Like from day-to-day, whenever they wanted to pick up their mail, they used to have to pick it up from the post office. Hi, thanks very much.
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Now Ann would you tell us about your coming a little bit later? But don't worry about that. We want everybody. We're not. Well, we were married in 1942 and that's when I came to live in Wenty. Now Ann would you tell us about your coming a little bit later? But don't worry about that. We want everybody. We're not. Well, we were married in 1942 and that's when I came to live in Wenty.
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But naah, there's not much I can say. I can't think of anything now,  you're very shy Ann you know. Yeah, we'll find things for you afterwards. Thanks very much. But naah, there's not much I can say. I can't think of anything now,  you're very shy Ann you know. Yeah, we'll find things for you afterwards. Thanks very much.
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Yeah, well, Beth, are you going to let Keith talk for you? Right, Keith, My parents came. Just tell us your name, please. I am Keith Douglas, and my wife is Bethany Hope. Yeah, well, Beth, are you going to let Keith talk for you? Right, Keith, My parents came. Just tell us your name, please. I am Keith Douglas, and my wife is Bethany Hope.
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My family, my parents came to wentworthville in 1912. They first lived in Harris St. Wentworthville, then they moved to Hill Street and then into Station Street on the corner of Pritchard St. It was then known as 2nd St. and my parents were living there. My family, my parents came to wentworthville in 1912. They first lived in Harris St. Wentworthville, then they moved to Hill Street and then into Station Street on the corner of Pritchard St. It was then known as 2nd St. and my parents were living there.
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From 19 about 1914 to 1916 seventeen and the meantime I was produced in Parramatta in George St. Parramatta, where the Roxy's now standing where the hospital then standing and. From 19 about 1914 to 1916 seventeen and the meantime I was produced in Parramatta in George St. Parramatta, where the Roxy's now standing where the hospital then standing and.
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So they built in Mckern St Wentworthville, where we now live and have lived since August 1917. So they built in Mckern St Wentworthville, where we now live and have lived since August 1917.
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The shopping centre at Wentworthville has developed during my time, but Norman and Lance can tell you of what it was like prior to the 20s. The shopping centre at Wentworthville has developed during my time, but Norman and Lance can tell you of what it was like prior to the 20s.
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The organisations which have existed or come into existence in Wentworthville, such as the School of Arts and the Masonic Lodges and the various churches, have changed their places and on quite a few occasions, and I can think of one which is the Presbyterian Church, formerly an old building over in Railway St. Wentworthville, and it has been in 1928 replaced by the. The organisations which have existed or come into existence in Wentworthville, such as the School of Arts and the Masonic Lodges and the various churches, have changed their places and on quite a few occasions, and I can think of one which is the Presbyterian Church, formerly an old building over in Railway St. Wentworthville, and it has been in 1928 replaced by the.
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Saint Andrews in Church St. Parramatta, which was where the Commonwealth Bank used to stand alongside the Old Post Office in what is now the Mall. Saint Andrews in Church St. Parramatta, which was where the Commonwealth Bank used to stand alongside the Old Post Office in what is now the Mall.
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The Church of England has been changed. The Church of England has been changed.
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From what it is now, from the old church which stands alongside it, it's an old building used as a kindergarten. The Methodist Church was originally in McKern St. and that was subsequently replaced by a very nice church building fronting down on the Station Street that's only in. From what it is now, from the old church which stands alongside it, it's an old building used as a kindergarten. The Methodist Church was originally in McKern St. and that was subsequently replaced by a very nice church building fronting down on the Station Street that's only in.
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Probably the last 40 years that this has taken place, Catholic Church has been there a long, long time. And I think you are fully aware and probably more aware of that than I am. And when you come to think of places like the Baptist Church over on the other side of the Western Hwy. up in Boronia St. that has been a long standing church. Probably the last 40 years that this has taken place, Catholic Church has been there a long, long time. And I think you are fully aware and probably more aware of that than I am. And when you come to think of places like the Baptist Church over on the other side of the Western Hwy. up in Boronia St. that has been a long standing church.
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The School of Arts in Station Street Wentworthville, which is. The School of Arts in Station Street Wentworthville, which is.
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Well, it was a building commenced, I think it was 1914, and it was very popular with people who like to hold dances and concerts and what have we. Well, it was a building commenced, I think it was 1914, and it was very popular with people who like to hold dances and concerts and what have we.
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My father was  and mother also. They were both accomplished pianists and singers, and of course this led them to be in Vail into making use of their talents at the various functions that were held there. My father was  and mother also. They were both accomplished pianists and singers, and of course this led them to be in Vail into making use of their talents at the various functions that were held there.
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The Peace picture Palace which was originally in. The Peace picture Palace which was originally in.
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Dunmore Street now taking the place or the place has now been taken by the Wentworthville shopping mall that was originally built and owned by chap named Fox King, who lived in a a residence down. Dunmore Street now taking the place or the place has now been taken by the Wentworthville shopping mall that was originally built and owned by chap named Fox King, who lived in a a residence down.
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Around about where the Big Apple is now, there is a picture of that residence in the Jubilee of Prospect and Sherwood, which was 1872 to 1922. Those premises there, Doctor Carter. Yeah, they were owned by Doctor built and owned by. Well, they were occupied by Doctor Carter. The doctor prior to that was up on the corner of. Around about where the Big Apple is now, there is a picture of that residence in the Jubilee of Prospect and Sherwood, which was 1872 to 1922. Those premises there, Doctor Carter. Yeah, they were owned by Doctor built and owned by. Well, they were occupied by Doctor Carter. The doctor prior to that was up on the corner of.
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Smith St. and what was then Second Street, now Station Street. Smith St. and what was then Second Street, now Station Street.
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Was Doctor Crook. His home...still stands there. Was Doctor Crook. His home...still stands there.
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I think that's sufficient for me to contribute at the present mail. Oh, good. There are. Thanks very much. No, they can't. That's great. We'll come back here now Norm Treble, please. Would you just like to tell us about your introduction to Wenty? Yes, I was born I was born at Marrow Mine in 1911, the 23rd of March. I think that's sufficient for me to contribute at the present mail. Oh, good. There are. Thanks very much. No, they can't. That's great. We'll come back here now Norm Treble, please. Would you just like to tell us about your introduction to Wenty? Yes, I was born I was born at Marrow Mine in 1911, the 23rd of March.
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And the whole family migrated from Marrow Mine down to Wentworthville where the. And the whole family migrated from Marrow Mine down to Wentworthville where the.
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Father and his brother built the first grocery store in the town of Wentworthville. Father and his brother built the first grocery store in the town of Wentworthville.
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Before that there was Stortons on the highway, Western Highway and Tom Davies up on the corner of Darcy Road and Railway Street. Now that they were the first two before we started in the main town of Wentworthville. Before that there was Stortons on the highway, Western Highway and Tom Davies up on the corner of Darcy Road and Railway Street. Now that they were the first two before we started in the main town of Wentworthville.
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The only other shops at time in 1912. The only other shops at time in 1912.
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With cars butcher shop on the corner of the railway and wentworth Ave. and they they are little post office where beautiful place which still exists now in the town. With cars butcher shop on the corner of the railway and wentworth Ave. and they they are little post office where beautiful place which still exists now in the town.
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Ice was originally brought to Wentworthville by train from Parramatta. Ice was originally brought to Wentworthville by train from Parramatta.
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It was packed in an old corn bag surrounded with sawdust and that was one thing that we got by train from Parramatta. Bread was brought out by Grainger's in a bread card and he had to come all the way down Church Street towards Sydney, turn up the Western Highway and come right through along the Highway till he got to 2nd St. It was packed in an old corn bag surrounded with sawdust and that was one thing that we got by train from Parramatta. Bread was brought out by Grainger's in a bread card and he had to come all the way down Church Street towards Sydney, turn up the Western Highway and come right through along the Highway till he got to 2nd St.
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Down Station Street and bring the bread, bread into the town. Down Station Street and bring the bread, bread into the town.
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Now other little things of interest is we had a saleyard and the sale yard used to be used for selling cattle. Now other little things of interest is we had a saleyard and the sale yard used to be used for selling cattle.
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vegetables and fruit grown in the area and eggs of course. It was a real farmers areas. vegetables and fruit grown in the area and eggs of course. It was a real farmers areas.
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Poultry and orchards and that is in this side yard have all these goods for people to come in and buy it. If you had horses or cattle, they sell them too. Now that was hidden away now and they all said is behind Shannon's two-story buildings in Kingsway. Poultry and orchards and that is in this side yard have all these goods for people to come in and buy it. If you had horses or cattle, they sell them too. Now that was hidden away now and they all said is behind Shannon's two-story buildings in Kingsway.
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And the shops in Dunmore St. And the shops in Dunmore St.
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Was that Shannon the one who owned the tile with? Yeah, Shannon knows houses, those shops, but when he built the shops in King's Way Was that Shannon the one who owned the tile with? Yeah, Shannon knows houses, those shops, but when he built the shops in King's Way
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or that, that was all the private property owned by stewards which would burn out when about 1916 roughly that was burned out and when he built the shops he locked away. or that, that was all the private property owned by stewards which would burn out when about 1916 roughly that was burned out and when he built the shops he locked away.
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Which if you went to look today, you'd still find them hidden away in there in the back of the shops. Which if you went to look today, you'd still find them hidden away in there in the back of the shops.
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And then somebody was saying, I think, is that where Carrie's Bakery came around, somewhere around that area? Yeah. Well, by Carrie's Bakery was originally in Station Street, Wentworthville, and it was the next one up from the corner from Dunmore St. And then somebody was saying, I think, is that where Carrie's Bakery came around, somewhere around that area? Yeah. Well, by Carrie's Bakery was originally in Station Street, Wentworthville, and it was the next one up from the corner from Dunmore St.
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There was a " tet-two " Story shop. My dad had one of them. I opened up as the gracer and the dwellings were up on top. George Kerry had the next shop and dwelling on top. But the bake house was up the side, right back in the back of the property that that laneway. That's the laneway was that was. There was a " tet-two " Story shop. My dad had one of them. I opened up as the gracer and the dwellings were up on top. George Kerry had the next shop and dwelling on top. But the bake house was up the side, right back in the back of the property that that laneway. That's the laneway was that was.
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Led up to the bake house. Now that wasn't the original bake house. Led up to the bake house. Now that wasn't the original bake house.
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For Bright and Bread in Wentworthville, the first bake as in Wentworthville was judds, which was how do you spell that JU double DS Judds? They they built an old home that was on the corner. I cannot recollect who owned that cottage, but they judds bought it. Then they built a little shop right on the corner. For Bright and Bread in Wentworthville, the first bake as in Wentworthville was judds, which was how do you spell that JU double DS Judds? They they built an old home that was on the corner. I cannot recollect who owned that cottage, but they judds bought it. Then they built a little shop right on the corner.
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And sold their bread. And sold their bread.
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And ice cream and lollies. And I also behind the shop, then built the store for the flour and the bake house. Which corner was this? That's the corner of Dunmore and Station Street, where the Commonwealth Bank now stands. And ice cream and lollies. And I also behind the shop, then built the store for the flour and the bake house. Which corner was this? That's the corner of Dunmore and Station Street, where the Commonwealth Bank now stands.
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Now they they traded there for quite a few years, but then after they came. Now they they traded there for quite a few years, but then after they came.
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George Carrie opened up a bakery, but then after Carrie came a Poppet, he opened up further along Station Street. George Carrie opened up a bakery, but then after Carrie came a Poppet, he opened up further along Station Street.
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Station and "Umm"  Station and "Umm" 
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Harry, Station and Perry Street. Harry, Station and Perry Street.
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The milk, well, there was quite a few dairies around the area at the time, but. The milk, well, there was quite a few dairies around the area at the time, but.
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That used to be brought around within the old milk cart and they used to pour the milk into a pint half pint and you used to leave your jug outside on the front step of somewhere and the milkman would come in and just deliver the milk. That used to be brought around within the old milk cart and they used to pour the milk into a pint half pint and you used to leave your jug outside on the front step of somewhere and the milkman would come in and just deliver the milk.
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I know Gren Gren dad was a was a built man. I know Gren Gren dad was a was a built man.
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Yes, in those days twice a day delivery wet or fine and be pouring rain or be floods. Yes, in those days twice a day delivery wet or fine and be pouring rain or be floods.
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But the milk still had to be delivered. Where about did he get the milk? He got his milk from Rakes, from Rex's Dairy at Toongabbie and he served right out as far as the Western Highway and Pendle Hill. And that was when the the pints and half pint measures were used. They still got them on the mantelpiece at home. But the milk still had to be delivered. Where about did he get the milk? He got his milk from Rakes, from Rex's Dairy at Toongabbie and he served right out as far as the Western Highway and Pendle Hill. And that was when the the pints and half pint measures were used. They still got them on the mantelpiece at home.
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So that's about all I can tell you about the milk. Well, look, we just happened to have had a new addition to our group. So that's about all I can tell you about the milk. Well, look, we just happened to have had a new addition to our group.
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Has just arrived in person. So now would you like to tell us a little bit about your memories of some of the stories about milk deliveries? What what's your name again? Harold? Na, What is it? Reg. What is it? Reg Has just arrived in person. So now would you like to tell us a little bit about your memories of some of the stories about milk deliveries? What what's your name again? Harold? Na, What is it? Reg. What is it? Reg
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Well, going back to the start of milk delivery here in Wentworthville was concerned. Well, going back to the start of milk delivery here in Wentworthville was concerned.
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We started milking the cows at 11:00 at night to get the morning deliveries. We started milking the cows at 11:00 at night to get the morning deliveries.
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And we have been back milking again half past nine to get the afternoon deliveries. And we have been back milking again half past nine to get the afternoon deliveries.
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And the horse and cart days, which I say "Ummm" I delivered from Seven Hills to Bonds Mill in those days. And the horse and cart days, which I say "Ummm" I delivered from Seven Hills to Bonds Mill in those days.
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Barnes the biggest taker the little shop opposite Barnes was the biggest taker. Barnes the biggest taker the little shop opposite Barnes was the biggest taker.
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Apparently sum, of four pints of milk a day that the cater for bonds work. Apparently sum, of four pints of milk a day that the cater for bonds work.
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When I left Bonds the left the little shop there in 46. When I left Bonds the left the little shop there in 46.
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I was putting 70 to 75 gallons of milk there to cater for Bonds. I was putting 70 to 75 gallons of milk there to cater for Bonds.
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It had grown, hadn't it? had grown. That gives you some idea how the how things grew in those days. It had grown, hadn't it? had grown. That gives you some idea how the how things grew in those days.
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What what changes were there in your milking arrangements at that by that time? Well, we got to once a day. When the war came out, we got to once a day and zoning came on then and "thee"  What what changes were there in your milking arrangements at that by that time? Well, we got to once a day. When the war came out, we got to once a day and zoning came on then and "thee" 
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We zone from I personally with two other chaps son from Parramatta Park to Seven Hills Rd. We split that all up there into various. We zone from I personally with two other chaps son from Parramatta Park to Seven Hills Rd. We split that all up there into various.
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 manage it was you're delivering say, 20 gallons milk was a lot of milk in those days.  manage it was you're delivering say, 20 gallons milk was a lot of milk in those days.
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And Lance here he was living 15 he couldn't live in. And Lance here he was living 15 he couldn't live in.
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And I personally might have been doing 10 gallons, boy street by street. the gallonage. And I personally might have been doing 10 gallons, boy street by street. the gallonage.
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Was collected and when we attained 20 gallons with that was marked out, no matter whether it was 15 acres or 20 acres that you had, the whole lot there, you had 15 mile. That was your run. And then we went on, we moved to another one and they're getting out of the Bush. You might have had 30 mile to do to get your gallonage and that's the way it was out still in horse and cart then. Horse and cart, yeah. Was collected and when we attained 20 gallons with that was marked out, no matter whether it was 15 acres or 20 acres that you had, the whole lot there, you had 15 mile. That was your run. And then we went on, we moved to another one and they're getting out of the Bush. You might have had 30 mile to do to get your gallonage and that's the way it was out still in horse and cart then. Horse and cart, yeah.
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Billy wasn't there. Billy wasn't there.
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Well, we were part of the family in those days with twice a day delivery. You were part of the family and if the Billy wasn't out, you went to the kitchen and you. Well, we were part of the family in those days with twice a day delivery. You were part of the family and if the Billy wasn't out, you went to the kitchen and you.
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Then they get old milk you put it into. Every one of the service men knew the people and where they kept their good. Well, one of the family, just recognising one of the family. Not so today. We didn't have to lock up our houses, no. Then they get old milk you put it into. Every one of the service men knew the people and where they kept their good. Well, one of the family, just recognising one of the family. Not so today. We didn't have to lock up our houses, no.
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I could remember the time when we'd forget to put the we forgot to put the garbage out once in Wentworthville I could remember the time when we'd forget to put the we forgot to put the garbage out once in Wentworthville
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And the chap came around and got it from the back. Yeah, they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't do it Now, if you'd even put a little drop more or a little bit more in your garbage and it's just showing out how many times? they would put ? inaudible?[man continued laughing] And the chap came around and got it from the back. Yeah, they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't do it Now, if you'd even put a little drop more or a little bit more in your garbage and it's just showing out how many times? they would put ? inaudible?[man continued laughing]
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Did you get changed on the Milky machines? Well, when the war broke out we used to have a Staff seven. Did you get changed on the Milky machines? Well, when the war broke out we used to have a Staff seven.
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Carters and Yardman and Manila over Toongabbie. Carters and Yardman and Manila over Toongabbie.
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When the war broke out and we were and we were all young fellows. When the war broke out and we were and we were all young fellows.
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We were called up. We were called up.
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And they were all taken by two of us, five were taken and two left to do the work. We used to work 16, 16 hours a day was just average. And they were all taken by two of us, five were taken and two left to do the work. We used to work 16, 16 hours a day was just average.
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Anda," umm", I personally was caught up twice and being in an essential delivering, milk delivering and milking delivering. Anda," umm", I personally was caught up twice and being in an essential delivering, milk delivering and milking delivering.
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It was an essential service and therefore we could get behind. It was an essential service and therefore we could get behind.
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But work, young fellows, our mates used to come out and poke fun at us because we were doing it tough and they were, they were having a picnic, they said. But work, young fellows, our mates used to come out and poke fun at us because we were doing it tough and they were, they were having a picnic, they said.
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And of course, we put milking machines in. And of course, we put milking machines in.
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And then chaff cutters cut my feet up and everything like that. We managed and eventually one old chap came along carrying his swag and we had a third party. Then he used to do the hard work and so on. And then chaff cutters cut my feet up and everything like that. We managed and eventually one old chap came along carrying his swag and we had a third party. Then he used to do the hard work and so on.
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I survived. I used to come home in the morning. We'd have my breakfast and. I survived. I used to come home in the morning. We'd have my breakfast and.
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Did they ever pull up and and take the milk from the big bat inspection? No, no, no, you didn't get into that area over there. No no My area, there was 26 dairies in the Hills district, around about Toongabbie and all dairies and Fresh Food and Ice Company. Did they ever pull up and and take the milk from the big bat inspection? No, no, no, you didn't get into that area over there. No no My area, there was 26 dairies in the Hills district, around about Toongabbie and all dairies and Fresh Food and Ice Company.
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Had a van chap a contract van . He used to go around from dairy to dairy and collect in ten gallon cans with the milk with those days. Well then they bought it in. Then they brought the milk from the machines. Had a van chap a contract van . He used to go around from dairy to dairy and collect in ten gallon cans with the milk with those days. Well then they bought it in. Then they brought the milk from the machines.
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He went to this big holding tank and then the big lorry used to come in and pump it direct from there straight into the big transport tankers and take it to the main depot where they delivered milk, in the city. The inspectors used to come around when they were doing the run and take a sample. Many samples I used to take from the milk. And that's right. Forgot about the. He went to this big holding tank and then the big lorry used to come in and pump it direct from there straight into the big transport tankers and take it to the main depot where they delivered milk, in the city. The inspectors used to come around when they were doing the run and take a sample. Many samples I used to take from the milk. And that's right. Forgot about the.
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Inspectors. The inspectors used to test it for water. Inspectors. The inspectors used to test it for water.
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Reggie Walker was the worst while he put a gallon of water"[ someone laughing in the background]" every gallon of water in Bridge Rd. We had a cow they used to come in and and fill up his his container with water after he got the milk from us. Hang on. Reggie Walker was the worst while he put a gallon of water"[ someone laughing in the background]" every gallon of water in Bridge Rd. We had a cow they used to come in and and fill up his his container with water after he got the milk from us. Hang on.
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You know, I'm said it used to take the lids off the can well, we a lot of us got penalized when they the advancement refrigeration came in. We never had the refrigeration in the early days. You know, I'm said it used to take the lids off the can well, we a lot of us got penalized when they the advancement refrigeration came in. We never had the refrigeration in the early days.
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And they had a milk cooler. And they had a milk cooler.
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Which brine tank. The brine was frozen and it used to pump through a series of pipes. Which brine tank. The brine was frozen and it used to pump through a series of pipes.
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And that brine was cold and the milk used to trickle down over that. And that brine was cold and the milk used to trickle down over that.
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And in humid sort of weather, It used to be condensation used to form in those pipes. And if there wasn't sufficient milk going over the pipes used to get the condensation would like make itself just like ice cream and that when we got a sample taken. And in humid sort of weather, It used to be condensation used to form in those pipes. And if there wasn't sufficient milk going over the pipes used to get the condensation would like make itself just like ice cream and that when we got a sample taken.
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Nothing to do with us. It was a condensation of the air. Nothing to do with us. It was a condensation of the air.
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Water condensed on the pipes and that went into the in with the milk and we woke up to that. We can penalise for adulteration of the milk. Water condensed on the pipes and that went into the in with the milk and we woke up to that. We can penalise for adulteration of the milk.
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Took a bit of thinking to find that out, didn't it? Took a bit of thinking to find that out, didn't it?
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And when did you give away the milk trade then? And when did you give away the milk trade then?
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I'm 52, let me see. I'm 52, let me see.
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Oh, I was in. The boys carried on my my own son. Yeah, my son. I got still got a son still in it. Yeah, he's still in it. His son delivers milk to us now. Oh, isn't that great? When City Roach took over, he was. Oh, I was in. The boys carried on my my own son. Yeah, my son. I got still got a son still in it. Yeah, he's still in it. His son delivers milk to us now. Oh, isn't that great? When City Roach took over, he was.
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 the son of the original Mr. Reeks? That had the date of the chaos? That's 14 years of recent. That's where I started.  the son of the original Mr. Reeks? That had the date of the chaos? That's 14 years of recent. That's where I started.
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14 years at Rex's where I started and. 14 years at Rex's where I started and.
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How are I came to be there is taken? a long way back. How are I came to be there is taken? a long way back.
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Mother and Father, sister and I, we came from Gerringong to milk 60 to 70 cows. Mother and Father, sister and I, we came from Gerringong to milk 60 to 70 cows.
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And for the princely sum of £32.00 a month, four of us working. And for the princely sum of £32.00 a month, four of us working.
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the good old days. What years were they, 30, 31? the good old days. What years were they, 30, 31?
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They said the good old days. They said the good old days.
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When lady chops went up to $0.25 a pound, I said to her, we can't afford that now, we'll have to cut lamb chops. When lady chops went up to $0.25 a pound, I said to her, we can't afford that now, we'll have to cut lamb chops.
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I think many people had to do that, didn't they? That was just after the Depression, wasn't. Yeah. Didn't you? We ate the rabbits then. Then we used to sell rabbits, " Savile ?Inaudible?" for a penny each. I think many people had to do that, didn't they? That was just after the Depression, wasn't. Yeah. Didn't you? We ate the rabbits then. Then we used to sell rabbits, " Savile ?Inaudible?" for a penny each.
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When I was delivering Mail, we used to have to get the there was only about one or two houses in the streets then and we used to have to travel from all around between two of us. When I was delivering Mail, we used to have to get the there was only about one or two houses in the streets then and we used to have to travel from all around between two of us.
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Another postman by the name of Stuart Ray Stewart and myself. We used to do all Wentworthville and they used to be on an average then, The houses were well and well apart. There'd only be perhaps two or three houses in each St. and. Another postman by the name of Stuart Ray Stewart and myself. We used to do all Wentworthville and they used to be on an average then, The houses were well and well apart. There'd only be perhaps two or three houses in each St. and.
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Between the two of us, we used to have to do all Wentworthville between us. What time would you have begun? Well, we used to start work at 6:00 in the morning, but we used to start. We used to have to sort all their mail between us. Between the two of us, we used to have to do all Wentworthville between us. What time would you have begun? Well, we used to start work at 6:00 in the morning, but we used to start. We used to have to sort all their mail between us.
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Leave about 8:30 and go till about 12:00 at the. Leave about 8:30 and go till about 12:00 at the.
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Deliveries, then, were a lot. A lot. Deliveries, then, were a lot. A lot.
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A lot " ahhh" a lot of "ahh" miles to what we do at the present time. But "thee" how would you have travelled? A lot " ahhh" a lot of "ahh" miles to what we do at the present time. But "thee" how would you have travelled?
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Oh, I suppose we travel about. Oh, I suppose we travel about.
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10 mile or more roundabout each between us and, but we used to have to do a, a delivery. We, we used to do 2 deliveries then, but now they only do, I think it's only one. And how did you carry the mail? We used to have to carry the mail in the, you know. 10 mile or more roundabout each between us and, but we used to have to do a, a delivery. We, we used to do 2 deliveries then, but now they only do, I think it's only one. And how did you carry the mail? We used to have to carry the mail in the, you know.
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Mailbags in our mail bags, on our shoulders, on horseback. On horseback. Yeah, we did. I did a horseback for a couple of years, Three years. Mailbags in our mail bags, on our shoulders, on horseback. On horseback. Yeah, we did. I did a horseback for a couple of years, Three years.
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And then I did it on the bike. And then I did it on the bike.
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And did you stay delivering mail for the whole of your time with the post office? Yeah, I, I finished up at the post office in about in 1960 as a postman and I was retired then and. And did you stay delivering mail for the whole of your time with the post office? Yeah, I, I finished up at the post office in about in 1960 as a postman and I was retired then and.
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Yeah, that was when I finished up all this. Why did you retire Lance? In 1960? I think it was. Yeah, that was when I finished up all this. Why did you retire Lance? In 1960? I think it was.
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I had a heart attack and and the department retired me from a certain time and then I did light duties in Parramatta and and Sydney and then I they retired me all together. Could I say something? There was 5 girls and one boy in our family. I had a heart attack and and the department retired me from a certain time and then I did light duties in Parramatta and and Sydney and then I they retired me all together. Could I say something? There was 5 girls and one boy in our family.
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I used to wait on the on the postpone. As soon as we see him coming, we'd say here comes daffy. I used to wait on the on the postpone. As soon as we see him coming, we'd say here comes daffy.
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I've never been forgiven for that. I've never been forgiven for that.
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Gabriel, they retired Lance because of ill health and he wasn't 65. Now he's nearly 88. He could almost go back to delivering mail. I'd say by the looks of you now. Oh, well, I'm feeling pretty fit now. They lost a good Workman. I'm sure he walked a lot. No job and see you walking. Well, that's how I'd do both. Gabriel, they retired Lance because of ill health and he wasn't 65. Now he's nearly 88. He could almost go back to delivering mail. I'd say by the looks of you now. Oh, well, I'm feeling pretty fit now. They lost a good Workman. I'm sure he walked a lot. No job and see you walking. Well, that's how I'd do both.
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They don't play bowls down there. Yeah. He plays seven days a week. Yeah. They don't play bowls down there. Yeah. He plays seven days a week. Yeah.
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Lottie we might come back to you now, thanks and see what you've got to tell us about your working life here in Wenty. We had the delicatessen for 32 years in Wentworthville. Which one was that? It was in Station Street next door to Carrs Butchery. Lottie we might come back to you now, thanks and see what you've got to tell us about your working life here in Wenty. We had the delicatessen for 32 years in Wentworthville. Which one was that? It was in Station Street next door to Carrs Butchery.
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How used to cook make all his own brown? How used to cook make all his own brown?
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And buy the big silver sides from Riverstone and he used to cook them in a a big copper that was at the back of Raleigh cars. And he put his hands on and cooked them for a certain time and then run down and cover them up with a big bag across the top and let them steam all night. And buy the big silver sides from Riverstone and he used to cook them in a a big copper that was at the back of Raleigh cars. And he put his hands on and cooked them for a certain time and then run down and cover them up with a big bag across the top and let them steam all night.
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Then they were very, it was difficult to get ham during the the war. They were all rationed and you were only allowed a certain number and a certain amount of bacon. And so the regular customers we had made a note of all of those. And how Carl is the rationale? 3 slices of bacon I think it was per week. Then they were very, it was difficult to get ham during the the war. They were all rationed and you were only allowed a certain number and a certain amount of bacon. And so the regular customers we had made a note of all of those. And how Carl is the rationale? 3 slices of bacon I think it was per week.
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After the war was interesting because a lot of the migrants came out and they couldn't speak the language. After the war was interesting because a lot of the migrants came out and they couldn't speak the language.
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But they were the ones that were that really introduced us into all the continental foods. But they were the ones that were that really introduced us into all the continental foods.
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And we were used to people just coming in and buying 3 slices of certain sausage. They'd come in and have a look at it, weigh it, how much we'll take the lot. And we were used to people just coming in and buying 3 slices of certain sausage. They'd come in and have a look at it, weigh it, how much we'll take the lot.
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And the deliveries were about four times a week. Now, if we got fresh food inside the day and we'd sold out of it by the next day, people would come in and I'd say we want a couple of pounds of sausages or something like that. And how the weight and say right, no matter how much do you want, where do you live? And as soon as the boys, they went to high school in Parramatta, soon as they arrived home. And the deliveries were about four times a week. Now, if we got fresh food inside the day and we'd sold out of it by the next day, people would come in and I'd say we want a couple of pounds of sausages or something like that. And how the weight and say right, no matter how much do you want, where do you live? And as soon as the boys, they went to high school in Parramatta, soon as they arrived home.
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I would weigh off the amount and deliver them to whatever address it was. I would weigh off the amount and deliver them to whatever address it was.
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And you've got some old coupon cards here, too. They're very interesting. Could you tell us something about those? These were clothing coupons that I think every household was allotted with so many coupons according to the number in the family during the war, during the war. And I don't quite know how many coupons you had to give. And you've got some old coupon cards here, too. They're very interesting. Could you tell us something about those? These were clothing coupons that I think every household was allotted with so many coupons according to the number in the family during the war, during the war. And I don't quite know how many coupons you had to give.
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For certain things to get at this stage, you were only allowed to use a certain number and I can remember people. For certain things to get at this stage, you were only allowed to use a certain number and I can remember people.
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That wanted new sheets. Well, that would have taken practically all their coupons. So a lot of people got round it by buying car covers. They were apparently were sold without bags. Was a good version. Yes. Well, bacon. Bacon bags were what we had. Every side of bacon came in a bag and Harold used to save them. Quite a few people came in and said they couldn't afford to buy sheets. That wanted new sheets. Well, that would have taken practically all their coupons. So a lot of people got round it by buying car covers. They were apparently were sold without bags. Was a good version. Yes. Well, bacon. Bacon bags were what we had. Every side of bacon came in a bag and Harold used to save them. Quite a few people came in and said they couldn't afford to buy sheets.
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And so he would side the bacons bags and give them to them and that's what they use for their single sheets. And did you know that you to make the flower at Parramatta? And they used to send the flower out in 25 LB bags with all their name printed on the side. And so he would side the bacons bags and give them to them and that's what they use for their single sheets. And did you know that you to make the flower at Parramatta? And they used to send the flower out in 25 LB bags with all their name printed on the side.
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And when Dad used to empty them bags out, Mum used to wash them. But she used to make the pants for the girls out of them, but she didn't have the sign washed out of it. When she made a pair for one of the girls and when she bent over you could see the Brutton's flour. And when Dad used to empty them bags out, Mum used to wash them. But she used to make the pants for the girls out of them, but she didn't have the sign washed out of it. When she made a pair for one of the girls and when she bent over you could see the Brutton's flour.
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So during the war, you weren't allowed to. So during the war, you weren't allowed to.
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Have at weddings and that you weren't allowed to have iced cakes and I suppose it was the bakeries and that weren't allowed to ice them. And I remember the girl that lived next door to us had joined the army and became engaged and when she was coming home, she was going to be 21 and the next door neighbor said do you think you could ice a cake for her? So I did them quite a few cakes for people coming home because they weren't allowed to do them in the bakery. Have at weddings and that you weren't allowed to have iced cakes and I suppose it was the bakeries and that weren't allowed to ice them. And I remember the girl that lived next door to us had joined the army and became engaged and when she was coming home, she was going to be 21 and the next door neighbor said do you think you could ice a cake for her? So I did them quite a few cakes for people coming home because they weren't allowed to do them in the bakery.
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And that was the start of my icing cakes. I think over the years progress of Wentworthville has exceeded itself. I think we have 5 different banks in Wentworthville now, haven't we? five different banks? So it goes to show that progress has increased a lot over the years. And that was the start of my icing cakes. I think over the years progress of Wentworthville has exceeded itself. I think we have 5 different banks in Wentworthville now, haven't we? five different banks? So it goes to show that progress has increased a lot over the years.
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Where the present Commonwealth Bank is now. Where the present Commonwealth Bank is now.
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With the board house there that I think it was about 80 foot frontage and I don't know, we'd only own the shop. I suppose about 5 or 6 years and the woman that was living in the house came over and said to me, you think you'd like to buy a house, We're going to sell it. You can have it for £1100. Well, at that stage we didn't have 1100 pence, I don't think. With the board house there that I think it was about 80 foot frontage and I don't know, we'd only own the shop. I suppose about 5 or 6 years and the woman that was living in the house came over and said to me, you think you'd like to buy a house, We're going to sell it. You can have it for £1100. Well, at that stage we didn't have 1100 pence, I don't think.
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No, that wasn't the name of the person that owned it then, but. No, that wasn't the name of the person that owned it then, but.
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I think after that it wasn't very long. About 12 months after that the Commonwealth Bank paid £100 a foot for the 40 feet of that house and then the house was cut in half and then Krogan said yes. Krogan said they they bought it when we had been, what was the name? Krogan's bought the house and they sold them 40, 40 feet of it. I think after that it wasn't very long. About 12 months after that the Commonwealth Bank paid £100 a foot for the 40 feet of that house and then the house was cut in half and then Krogan said yes. Krogan said they they bought it when we had been, what was the name? Krogan's bought the house and they sold them 40, 40 feet of it.
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For $400 a foot, $400 or pounds? the £400 of a foot and we could have bought the whole house for £1100. For $400 a foot, $400 or pounds? the £400 of a foot and we could have bought the whole house for £1100.
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And yeah, what were you going to say to us there, Reg, about the butchers? Oh, they're, they're coming from Blacktown. There was a butcher. And yeah, what were you going to say to us there, Reg, about the butchers? Oh, they're, they're coming from Blacktown. There was a butcher.
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It had a horse and cart and they used to come from Blacktown down to Toongabbie Station. It had a horse and cart and they used to come from Blacktown down to Toongabbie Station.
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And he had similar to a milk cart with a flyproof gauze tail board. And he used to have butcher, you'd come out and he had a side of beef or a couple of sheep in the back of the cart in. And if you wanted a pound of chops or something, he cut them off then and there. And that's, that's the thing. And he had similar to a milk cart with a flyproof gauze tail board. And he used to have butcher, you'd come out and he had a side of beef or a couple of sheep in the back of the cart in. And if you wanted a pound of chops or something, he cut them off then and there. And that's, that's the thing.
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And how did you manage to keep the meat when you got it at home? Ice chests or the old fashioned meat safe hanging up in the tree in those days? And how did you manage to keep the meat when you got it at home? Ice chests or the old fashioned meat safe hanging up in the tree in those days?
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I used to call it a drip safe. There'd be a. I used to call it a drip safe. There'd be a.
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Safe would be either hessian around it and then on top with a dish of water and it had flannel pieces running out of the dish onto the hessian and the water used to trickle down. Safe would be either hessian around it and then on top with a dish of water and it had flannel pieces running out of the dish onto the hessian and the water used to trickle down.
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Down through that on hessian, if you're lucky enough to have a big enough tray to catch the water, then you can recycle it back to the dish. If not, it just left out in the open and the water just went on the ground. It was the same as the old cool gardie safe. That was very cool and just to keep it well, then they brought out another one called the. Down through that on hessian, if you're lucky enough to have a big enough tray to catch the water, then you can recycle it back to the dish. If not, it just left out in the open and the water just went on the ground. It was the same as the old cool gardie safe. That was very cool and just to keep it well, then they brought out another one called the.
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I just got to think for a minute. Made out of plaster paris. I just got to think for a minute. Made out of plaster paris.
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I had a special name for it. I had a special name for it.
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Oh, the plaster paris used to absorb water you could put that in a dish of water and absorb the water and you have to leave it where the breeze was, and that really was to put your butter in. Or you can put milk in it and it would keep everything nice and cool. You can remember that that plaster cool box Reg. A butter cooler. Oh, the plaster paris used to absorb water you could put that in a dish of water and absorb the water and you have to leave it where the breeze was, and that really was to put your butter in. Or you can put milk in it and it would keep everything nice and cool. You can remember that that plaster cool box Reg. A butter cooler.
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Yeah, what about a your shop Lottie? How did you say manage to keep things cool and fresh? Well, it wasn't a matter of keeping them cool. I was just sort of talking about the butter. It used to come in a butter box. Yeah, what about a your shop Lottie? How did you say manage to keep things cool and fresh? Well, it wasn't a matter of keeping them cool. I was just sort of talking about the butter. It used to come in a butter box.
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56 lbs. And Harold used to have to cut it up into half pounds and pounds. And we used to do that with a piece of wire with two pieces of wood at either end. And you put it over and then you have to weigh every bit to make sure you had the right weight. Well, you were right there in one section. 56 lbs. And Harold used to have to cut it up into half pounds and pounds. And we used to do that with a piece of wire with two pieces of wood at either end. And you put it over and then you have to weigh every bit to make sure you had the right weight. Well, you were right there in one section.
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Because I know I used to have to cut the blasted stuff up but you had a frame. Because I know I used to have to cut the blasted stuff up but you had a frame.
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And the frame had steel wire stretched across it, the shapes of half and pounds on your right. You take the butter out-of-the-box on the counter. Then you put this frame and you slide into the same shape as the butter, and you used to slide down the side the butter when you got to a certain length. Then you've had this wire like 90 set with two bits tied with a stick on either end. And the frame had steel wire stretched across it, the shapes of half and pounds on your right. You take the butter out-of-the-box on the counter. Then you put this frame and you slide into the same shape as the butter, and you used to slide down the side the butter when you got to a certain length. Then you've had this wire like 90 set with two bits tied with a stick on either end.
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And then you just slide it along the top of the framework and cut the butter off. And then it will be in shapes of half pound and pound. And every piece of butter used to have to go on the scale. And you had two wooden pads. You had to stop in a bowl of water. And then you had to pick up the fat of butter, place it on, put the greaseproof paper on the scale, drop the butter on it. And if it wasn't right? And then you just slide it along the top of the framework and cut the butter off. And then it will be in shapes of half pound and pound. And every piece of butter used to have to go on the scale. And you had two wooden pads. You had to stop in a bowl of water. And then you had to pick up the fat of butter, place it on, put the greaseproof paper on the scale, drop the butter on it. And if it wasn't right?
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Spare butter on the side, you pick a bit up, flop it on, pat it together, get the right weight and then somebody be there. Spare butter on the side, you pick a bit up, flop it on, pat it together, get the right weight and then somebody be there.
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Butter up. Somebody used to be me. The roll of roll the butter up and then it was put away in an ice, put away the ice chest. Now that's what we had. Somebody asked what you did to keep it cool. We had ice chests and the ice used to be half block. Our ice used to fit in the top lip, the lid at the top, put the ice on in the top. Butter up. Somebody used to be me. The roll of roll the butter up and then it was put away in an ice, put away the ice chest. Now that's what we had. Somebody asked what you did to keep it cool. We had ice chests and the ice used to be half block. Our ice used to fit in the top lip, the lid at the top, put the ice on in the top.
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And ice coolness goes down where heat comes up. So that kept the wall of butter cool. Now you never did anything with cheese. Cheese within a cheese cloth and they were kept in a safe with the bacon. Bacon could once it's cut was put in the safe, but before it was cut, it was hung up in the somewhere where it was cool and it was in a cheesecloth bag. And ice coolness goes down where heat comes up. So that kept the wall of butter cool. Now you never did anything with cheese. Cheese within a cheese cloth and they were kept in a safe with the bacon. Bacon could once it's cut was put in the safe, but before it was cut, it was hung up in the somewhere where it was cool and it was in a cheesecloth bag.
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I think the flies never used to attack it because it was always cured. I think the flies never used to attack it because it was always cured.
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I never used to touch the cheese either, but cheese used to come in the blocks in the cheese cloth and they were always placed somewhere in the cool. I never used to touch the cheese either, but cheese used to come in the blocks in the cheese cloth and they were always placed somewhere in the cool.
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I can remember with cheese to get it matured properly, Harold used to buy about 8010 LB blocks that were in that and they were stacked. He stacked them on a table at the back of the shop and I can't remember whether it was every day or every couple of days. He used to go around and turn every block of cheese. So the. I can remember with cheese to get it matured properly, Harold used to buy about 8010 LB blocks that were in that and they were stacked. He stacked them on a table at the back of the shop and I can't remember whether it was every day or every couple of days. He used to go around and turn every block of cheese. So the.
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Oil would go evenly through it. Oil would go evenly through it.
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And that was the way we matured the cheese and he had a wonderful business for Camerooka. I always remember it was Camerooka who sold a lot of cheese we ever seen was only in small box. Then they came up with a big round one and only about a or might be about four inches thick. And that was the way we matured the cheese and he had a wonderful business for Camerooka. I always remember it was Camerooka who sold a lot of cheese we ever seen was only in small box. Then they came up with a big round one and only about a or might be about four inches thick.
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As ones right, if they get to be somewhere around about 8 or 9 inches in diameter and about 8 and 9 inches deep. And that was the first cheese you used to get a dry cheese. Today my dad would call it cheese soap because he'd never sell cheese like that. Kraft cheese. We've never had Kraft cheese, but Kraft cheese, he was alive today. He'd say that's rubbish. As ones right, if they get to be somewhere around about 8 or 9 inches in diameter and about 8 and 9 inches deep. And that was the first cheese you used to get a dry cheese. Today my dad would call it cheese soap because he'd never sell cheese like that. Kraft cheese. We've never had Kraft cheese, but Kraft cheese, he was alive today. He'd say that's rubbish.
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That's only that's only soap, but they used to get cheese and it. That's only that's only soap, but they used to get cheese and it.
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It would be real sort of. It's hard to describe it flaky and when you cut it into the summer with a crumble, if the cheese crumble, they reckon that was a good cheese. That's the sign. I only got matured like that by keeping it and turning it so as the oil would go evenly through it. Thanks very much indeed. It would be real sort of. It's hard to describe it flaky and when you cut it into the summer with a crumble, if the cheese crumble, they reckon that was a good cheese. That's the sign. I only got matured like that by keeping it and turning it so as the oil would go evenly through it. Thanks very much indeed.
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Gabriel the butter boxes, we used to always be hanging on to those. That was such a strong little box. My husband. We were married in 1944 and. Gabriel the butter boxes, we used to always be hanging on to those. That was such a strong little box. My husband. We were married in 1944 and.
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For the boys toy box, he made a hinged lid on them which was wonderful. Therefore their toys, toys were tidy. For the boys toy box, he made a hinged lid on them which was wonderful. Therefore their toys, toys were tidy.
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And then I had one again with a hinge lid which I padded and covered and that was my nappy box. And nappies are always fitted just right if you folded them into four they fitted the box beautifully and I used to sit on top of that on the padding to feed my babies, but they were good little things. And then I had one again with a hinge lid which I padded and covered and that was my nappy box. And nappies are always fitted just right if you folded them into four they fitted the box beautifully and I used to sit on top of that on the padding to feed my babies, but they were good little things.
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I've got three of those butter boxes at the present time, one I use for putting my paints in. The other one I got car covers and all the rest of it in. But I've made made the two into 1 2 butter boxes into one and it's made 111 particular box and I use it for putting my car covers and that in. I've got three of those butter boxes at the present time, one I use for putting my paints in. The other one I got car covers and all the rest of it in. But I've made made the two into 1 2 butter boxes into one and it's made 111 particular box and I use it for putting my car covers and that in.
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Paint? Is this a hobby? Is it just a Oh yeah, just a hobby? Paint what? Paint? Is this a hobby? Is it just a Oh yeah, just a hobby? Paint what?
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Oh, yeah. What kind do you do? All sorts of paints. Well, then, did you know I can tell you all about that butter boxes. And there's another box, the kerosene case. The kerosene case used to come and it used to hold 2 4 gallon tins of kerosene. Oh, yeah. What kind do you do? All sorts of paints. Well, then, did you know I can tell you all about that butter boxes. And there's another box, the kerosene case. The kerosene case used to come and it used to hold 2 4 gallon tins of kerosene.
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That's why kerosene, shellite and petrol. Now everybody used to fight to get the cases of the kerosene cases or the butter box and now they used to be used to make furniture so quick to make you get 3 butter boxes and put them on end. That's why kerosene, shellite and petrol. Now everybody used to fight to get the cases of the kerosene cases or the butter box and now they used to be used to make furniture so quick to make you get 3 butter boxes and put them on end.
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And then you put a board across the top and you want to make it fancy, you have a board underneath and you can put 4 legs. The mother used to put coton. Is that what they call it? And then you put a board across the top and you want to make it fancy, you have a board underneath and you can put 4 legs. The mother used to put coton. Is that what they call it?
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And see how the rod at the top and they could turn on brass, brass rings and the void and you could pull it apart and you could put your boots or clothes and or hang your suits and that as a hanging space. And that was butter boxes made for that. And see how the rod at the top and they could turn on brass, brass rings and the void and you could pull it apart and you could put your boots or clothes and or hang your suits and that as a hanging space. And that was butter boxes made for that.
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And another one, the old chamber, now that is to be shoved under the bed. But when you got a butter box, now you've made a flash one, you put two, you made the legs with a two big two and cut it off short legs, put the four legs on. Then you put a shelf in the bottom. The old chamber used to sit in there and then put a lid, a butter box lid on the hinges. And another one, the old chamber, now that is to be shoved under the bed. But when you got a butter box, now you've made a flash one, you put two, you made the legs with a two big two and cut it off short legs, put the four legs on. Then you put a shelf in the bottom. The old chamber used to sit in there and then put a lid, a butter box lid on the hinges.
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And and then that a less seat that with the hole cut in it, we used to place that inside. And and then that a less seat that with the hole cut in it, we used to place that inside.
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And then when the the close are lid down and that would be padded and it was a seat and that wasn't really a beaut thing they used to have an those days, but all most a lot of the furniture was made from butter boxes and kerosene cases. And then when the the close are lid down and that would be padded and it was a seat and that wasn't really a beaut thing they used to have an those days, but all most a lot of the furniture was made from butter boxes and kerosene cases.
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We had them, we know, but we used to knock the butter boxes apart but us  having the shop. We had to get these butter boxes. But the girls as well, on the wet day we used to pull the butter boxes apart and it would be in the one piece it wouldn't be loose. We had them, we know, but we used to knock the butter boxes apart but us  having the shop. We had to get these butter boxes. But the girls as well, on the wet day we used to pull the butter boxes apart and it would be in the one piece it wouldn't be loose.
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Nice pieces of timber and we used to punch drawers of flowers and punch it with nails and would color color all those flowers in different colours. And that taught me how to to do designs to cover workbooks at school which are with between Reggie Lane and I. We used to always take out the prizes for the decorating the books. Nice pieces of timber and we used to punch drawers of flowers and punch it with nails and would color color all those flowers in different colours. And that taught me how to to do designs to cover workbooks at school which are with between Reggie Lane and I. We used to always take out the prizes for the decorating the books.
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Great. Yeah, that that, but they were a very handy thing, the cases yes, they were there many a person that used butter boxes for furniture haven't yes, but he had them for all. So they call that the commode. They call the old commode, see and then they had the boot box. You put all your boots in it and not only put your boots, you had it to put the the boot polish and the rags and the. Great. Yeah, that that, but they were a very handy thing, the cases yes, they were there many a person that used butter boxes for furniture haven't yes, but he had them for all. So they call that the commode. They call the old commode, see and then they had the boot box. You put all your boots in it and not only put your boots, you had it to put the the boot polish and the rags and the.
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Brushes in there was a very handy thing. They certainly were good. Well, how about you? Keith give us something please. Fox Kings, please. Picture Palace was previously mentioned and it was in Dunmore St. Wentworth Film where the shopping mall now stands and in my early days I can recall. We used to see the old silent movies there, the pictures that we used to call them. Brushes in there was a very handy thing. They certainly were good. Well, how about you? Keith give us something please. Fox Kings, please. Picture Palace was previously mentioned and it was in Dunmore St. Wentworth Film where the shopping mall now stands and in my early days I can recall. We used to see the old silent movies there, the pictures that we used to call them.
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Because they were silent, you had to have some entertainment while you were watching the captions underneath the pictures. Because they were silent, you had to have some entertainment while you were watching the captions underneath the pictures.
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And a lady by name Mrs. Starling, played the piano and Mrs. Robiliard played the violin. That kept us entertained as well as the pictures. On other occasions there were social events held there, such as birthday parties, wedding receptions and the odd ball or dance as it might be according to the occasion. And a lady by name Mrs. Starling, played the piano and Mrs. Robiliard played the violin. That kept us entertained as well as the pictures. On other occasions there were social events held there, such as birthday parties, wedding receptions and the odd ball or dance as it might be according to the occasion.
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After the war I can remember as a young child they used to hold. After the war I can remember as a young child they used to hold.
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Functions there to commemorate the finish of the war and to raise funds for various charities. As I've said before, my mother and father were accomplished as far as pianists and singers were concerned, and they were in demand there. The functions that were held there were similarly supported by round at the School of Arts in what was then Second St. Wentworthville. Functions there to commemorate the finish of the war and to raise funds for various charities. As I've said before, my mother and father were accomplished as far as pianists and singers were concerned, and they were in demand there. The functions that were held there were similarly supported by round at the School of Arts in what was then Second St. Wentworthville.
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No pictures were shown there, but it was a very popular place for drama. No pictures were shown there, but it was a very popular place for drama.
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For concerts and for dancers, and for a ball or two to be held there during the year. The Red Cross, of which my mother was a foundation member in Wentworthville was very popular with its functions that were held there at the School of Arts. For concerts and for dancers, and for a ball or two to be held there during the year. The Red Cross, of which my mother was a foundation member in Wentworthville was very popular with its functions that were held there at the School of Arts.
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It wasn't a big population in went for those days, but there was always a good attendance of any functions that were held there. What else was there outside of your church? Outside of your pictures? It wasn't a big population in went for those days, but there was always a good attendance of any functions that were held there. What else was there outside of your church? Outside of your pictures?
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To do in Wentworthville and people didn't have the money to travel into Sydney. It was a very rare occasion to go to Sydney. I can remember as a child if my family took me to Sydney, took me to Manly or to Cronulla, it was an event. Something worthwhile and you were the envy of other children whose parents couldn't afford that. My father had a horse and sulky and occasionally we used to drive down to Cronulla where he had a weekender. To do in Wentworthville and people didn't have the money to travel into Sydney. It was a very rare occasion to go to Sydney. I can remember as a child if my family took me to Sydney, took me to Manly or to Cronulla, it was an event. Something worthwhile and you were the envy of other children whose parents couldn't afford that. My father had a horse and sulky and occasionally we used to drive down to Cronulla where he had a weekender.
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It's a fairly long journey and to take the horse. It's a fairly long journey and to take the horse.
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And sulky across by punt at Tom Uglies was something that you looked forward to. Nowadays people have to travel to the other side of the world for a holiday. It seems to be the the norm. But in those days a picnic in Parramatta Park was quite an occasion, particularly a Sunday school picnic. And sulky across by punt at Tom Uglies was something that you looked forward to. Nowadays people have to travel to the other side of the world for a holiday. It seems to be the the norm. But in those days a picnic in Parramatta Park was quite an occasion, particularly a Sunday school picnic.
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Well, it's talking about the School of Art in Second St. Well, it's talking about the School of Art in Second St.
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Now as the Main Street of Wentworthville, Station Street. But the School of Arts you are talking about is not the original School of Arts. The original School of Arts was at the back of the one. Now as the Main Street of Wentworthville, Station Street. But the School of Arts you are talking about is not the original School of Arts. The original School of Arts was at the back of the one.
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Was the back of the two storey structures what was there, and it was only an iron roof and fibro sides and all the money was gathered by the people of Wentworthville had a street. Was the back of the two storey structures what was there, and it was only an iron roof and fibro sides and all the money was gathered by the people of Wentworthville had a street.
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Stalls, running dancers and concerts in the church or like a Presbyterian Church, Sunday School because we had no halls. Stalls, running dancers and concerts in the church or like a Presbyterian Church, Sunday School because we had no halls.
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And they raised the money that way and built this shed, which was called a School of Arts. You remember when the other one was built? And they raised the money that way and built this shed, which was called a School of Arts. You remember when the other one was built?
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It could only be a rough guess, but I would say. It could only be a rough guess, but I would say.
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Let me see now 80, I'll go back to the first one. Let me see now 80, I'll go back to the first one.
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The first School of Art would be built about 1900 and then they built the second School of Arts. The first School of Art would be built about 1900 and then they built the second School of Arts.
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Was it coming forward to that? Because I, I was, I wasn't born in 1900 and I came there in 1912. Was it coming forward to that? Because I, I was, I wasn't born in 1900 and I came there in 1912.
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And it wasn't there then, but the first one, the first one, the first was only a only a gable roof iron gable roof and fibro sides. And that was just a like a long barn. It went along towards the property and and that was there then when they raised money with stalls and all that and dances. And then they built the big two story one, which was. And it wasn't there then, but the first one, the first one, the first was only a only a gable roof iron gable roof and fibro sides. And that was just a like a long barn. It went along towards the property and and that was there then when they raised money with stalls and all that and dances. And then they built the big two story one, which was.
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The Masons had meetings up top. The Masons had meetings up top.
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Plus the GOOF lodges and the other lodges used to hold their meetings in it and then before that they had they didn't have a kitchen. When was that built? Plus the GOOF lodges and the other lodges used to hold their meetings in it and then before that they had they didn't have a kitchen. When was that built?
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Now when we're trying to get back to when the other was built, the first one was built, I would say roughly it was built in the end of about the war years 1918. I would like to quote from the 1872-1922 Jubilee. Now when we're trying to get back to when the other was built, the first one was built, I would say roughly it was built in the end of about the war years 1918. I would like to quote from the 1872-1922 Jubilee.
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Of the then Prospect and Sherwood Municipality, the most successful institution in the district is the School of Arts, Founded in 1914. It made a slow progress for a couple of years, but has made a rapid advance since being one of the largest institutions of it's kind around Parramatta. Of the then Prospect and Sherwood Municipality, the most successful institution in the district is the School of Arts, Founded in 1914. It made a slow progress for a couple of years, but has made a rapid advance since being one of the largest institutions of it's kind around Parramatta.
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But they had no kitchen. But they had no kitchen.
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So what they did then, they raised more money and the building's gone now at the back of the building there was an extended single brick structure built with an iron roof, the same as the main roof, and that was the kitchen. Before that there was no way of preparing meals. So when they built the kitchen then they could have weddings. Again could I quote you from this? So what they did then, they raised more money and the building's gone now at the back of the building there was an extended single brick structure built with an iron roof, the same as the main roof, and that was the kitchen. Before that there was no way of preparing meals. So when they built the kitchen then they could have weddings. Again could I quote you from this?
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Executive officers organised a most successful fete last February, which would have been February 1921 or 22, which has enabled the committee to make important improvements to their excellent institution which is a centre of social and intellectual activities in the district. Executive officers organised a most successful fete last February, which would have been February 1921 or 22, which has enabled the committee to make important improvements to their excellent institution which is a centre of social and intellectual activities in the district.
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Hey, Mr. Hancock and the dad. Hey, Mr. Hancock and the dad.
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Clifford. Clifford. And there was the one in Garfield St. Clifford Baker. Baker Who? Baker. Clifford. Clifford. And there was the one in Garfield St. Clifford Baker. Baker Who? Baker.
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Baker, He was in a Clifford Clifford. What were these people all doing? They were. They were on the committee Committee. They were the workers. Baker, He was in a Clifford Clifford. What were these people all doing? They were. They were on the committee Committee. They were the workers.
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Good hand copied a terrible other word. That's wonderful. And what have they got in Wentworthville now for a gathering place like well, you got the Bellhaven, which is was Elaine's old Homestead, Bellhaven. Good hand copied a terrible other word. That's wonderful. And what have they got in Wentworthville now for a gathering place like well, you got the Bellhaven, which is was Elaine's old Homestead, Bellhaven.
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'T still they got the Masonic Hall around in Garfield St. Wentworthville. Community Centre down in third Street or now Lane Street. Yes, well, that, that the future one, but the old, the old existing ones still there now it was it was still ?. 'T still they got the Masonic Hall around in Garfield St. Wentworthville. Community Centre down in third Street or now Lane Street. Yes, well, that, that the future one, but the old, the old existing ones still there now it was it was still ?.
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Masonic Hall would the Masonic Hall now would be the the oldest existing one because the School of Art is gone. Bellhaven is only a new one that they hold weddings in. Actually, I don't think Bellhaven, it only takes on parties and wedding weddings. I don't know about holding public meetings, I think, and I wouldn't know about that. The Clubs. You've got the clubs now, have you? Masonic Hall would the Masonic Hall now would be the the oldest existing one because the School of Art is gone. Bellhaven is only a new one that they hold weddings in. Actually, I don't think Bellhaven, it only takes on parties and wedding weddings. I don't know about holding public meetings, I think, and I wouldn't know about that. The Clubs. You've got the clubs now, have you?
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Course in yes, we forgot there was the RSL club and Wentworthville Leagues club and we went for Bowling Club. Now they Wentworthville RSL. Course in yes, we forgot there was the RSL club and Wentworthville Leagues club and we went for Bowling Club. Now they Wentworthville RSL.
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They they didn't start with a building that they got now they only built a like a like a big shed too. And that building is still back in the property as a youth club. That was the original. They they didn't start with a building that they got now they only built a like a like a big shed too. And that building is still back in the property as a youth club. That was the original.
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RSL building because I know I had something to do with that. I helped put all the roof and stuff on them for free. Free, free for them, help them. RSL building because I know I had something to do with that. I helped put all the roof and stuff on them for free. Free, free for them, help them.