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And two, OK, we've got this. Follow the two. Yes, well this is Bill Doherty interviewing Zetta Ford at her unit at #5 unit five, 192 pound St. Grafton on this day, 21st of April. I well here are we 2008. And two, OK, we've got this. Follow the two. Yes, well this is Bill Doherty interviewing Zetta Ford at her unit at #5 unit five, 192 pound St. Grafton on this day, 21st of April. I well here are we 2008.
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Alright. Good afternoon, Jenna. Hello, Bill. Thank you for agreeing to be part of this reflections on the Clarence because your family are really, really Clarence River people, aren't they? They really are. Yes, yes. I'm looking here at your, the details. And so your family have been here, your father born 1882 at Alamy Creek. Alright. Good afternoon, Jenna. Hello, Bill. Thank you for agreeing to be part of this reflections on the Clarence because your family are really, really Clarence River people, aren't they? They really are. Yes, yes. I'm looking here at your, the details. And so your family have been here, your father born 1882 at Alamy Creek.
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And uh. And uh.
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Before that, ohh his father was at Maitland Dane. He was born in Maitland, yes. And so that's. Before that, ohh his father was at Maitland Dane. He was born in Maitland, yes. And so that's.
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Sometime between before 1882. Sometime between before 1882.
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The family moved to Grafton, Yes, the original John Ford, who came from Lynnfield in Sussex, England, and settled around the Hunter area. The family moved to Grafton, Yes, the original John Ford, who came from Lynnfield in Sussex, England, and settled around the Hunter area.
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And that's where Henry was worked at Maitland anyway. And eventually they migrated to the Clarence. And that's where Henry was worked at Maitland anyway. And eventually they migrated to the Clarence.
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I think because of floods and things like that that were happening around the area. Well, that's interesting. I came to the Clarence sickness to be flooded again. There's now that the floods in those days. Ohh, so that they've been so your family's been here now, so it's somewhere in that say 1870s or 80s for 130 years or more. Isn't that wonderful? That's on the food side and then my mother's side. I think because of floods and things like that that were happening around the area. Well, that's interesting. I came to the Clarence sickness to be flooded again. There's now that the floods in those days. Ohh, so that they've been so your family's been here now, so it's somewhere in that say 1870s or 80s for 130 years or more. Isn't that wonderful? That's on the food side and then my mother's side.
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Grandfather Wonderlic came out with his family when he was about five or six. From Offenbach in Germany. Yes, and Mr. Kitchener. Grandfather Wonderlic came out with his family when he was about five or six. From Offenbach in Germany. Yes, and Mr. Kitchener.
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Brought a group of people out, he did, yes, the the the original Johan one, which was a Carpenter. So it seems to be you know, both sides of the family have been either in woodwork of some sort, carpentering mainly, and farming. Brought a group of people out, he did, yes, the the the original Johan one, which was a Carpenter. So it seems to be you know, both sides of the family have been either in woodwork of some sort, carpentering mainly, and farming.
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Yes. Well I guess in those days they had to have multi skills to survive is yes. So getting back then on your on your mother's side isn't it that's the wonder which isn't yes, OK the witches and they were part of that group of German immigrants who came here. Yes. Well I guess in those days they had to have multi skills to survive is yes. So getting back then on your on your mother's side isn't it that's the wonder which isn't yes, OK the witches and they were part of that group of German immigrants who came here.
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In the 1850s, sixties is it. And just grandfather came with his family from Offenbach. Yes. In Germany, yeah. And he was born in 1850 and I think he was about 5 when he came out, right. So yes, 1850 shares. Well, it's a, it's a marvelous lineage. In the 1850s, sixties is it. And just grandfather came with his family from Offenbach. Yes. In Germany, yeah. And he was born in 1850 and I think he was about 5 when he came out, right. So yes, 1850 shares. Well, it's a, it's a marvelous lineage.
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Family and you're also and your and in your own family. That was your dad was John David. Yes. And your mother was married grandfather John David Farqua Ohh yes. And then then in your your own family, the eldest son was Frederick, your brother. Your eldest brother was Frederick Farquhar. True. We got the Farquar again. That's right. Yeah. So that that's Scottish, is it factories they came from. Family and you're also and your and in your own family. That was your dad was John David. Yes. And your mother was married grandfather John David Farqua Ohh yes. And then then in your your own family, the eldest son was Frederick, your brother. Your eldest brother was Frederick Farquhar. True. We got the Farquar again. That's right. Yeah. So that that's Scottish, is it factories they came from.
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Kilmarnock in Asia. Kilmarnock in Asia.
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Not John Day, John David, I think was born out here, but his father, his father, his father. And so in your family there were 1-2. What was the great gap? It was seven of us, seven boys and three girls. Four boys. 3 girls. And and you said that the your dad, when the eldest one was born, that he had a store. Not John Day, John David, I think was born out here, but his father, his father, his father. And so in your family there were 1-2. What was the great gap? It was seven of us, seven boys and three girls. Four boys. 3 girls. And and you said that the your dad, when the eldest one was born, that he had a store.
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Opposite Fisher Park wasn't yes well it to begin with. They had a store at the Crown Bank where the Crown Bakery is. Yes St. in Queen Connor. Queen. And what's that Fry. Yes. Yes there is a little store there part from the bakery. Yes. And they were working that and among apparently they must have had this opened this other one concurrently with this one in Queen St. and for a while for a while they had the 2 going. Opposite Fisher Park wasn't yes well it to begin with. They had a store at the Crown Bank where the Crown Bakery is. Yes St. in Queen Connor. Queen. And what's that Fry. Yes. Yes there is a little store there part from the bakery. Yes. And they were working that and among apparently they must have had this opened this other one concurrently with this one in Queen St. and for a while for a while they had the 2 going.
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And he used to play a little bit of cricket. He didn't follow it through. But then forwards and crickets seemed to go, yeah, 718 great cricketers, yeah. And his father, who was a widower, apparently he must have lived with him in the Queen Prince St. store because they had a huge garden, apparently a vegetable garden, And my father used to take the veggies up to Copperhouse. And morning we meet. And he used to play a little bit of cricket. He didn't follow it through. But then forwards and crickets seemed to go, yeah, 718 great cricketers, yeah. And his father, who was a widower, apparently he must have lived with him in the Queen Prince St. store because they had a huge garden, apparently a vegetable garden, And my father used to take the veggies up to Copperhouse. And morning we meet.
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Works by voting no but horse and cart. Ohh, geez, yeah yes. So let's and Zeta, you've just cleared up a bit of a mystery for me because I have a card that, you know, a business type card that refers to. Ohh, what's the name of the hotel at the corner back in the 8 late 1800s of? Works by voting no but horse and cart. Ohh, geez, yeah yes. So let's and Zeta, you've just cleared up a bit of a mystery for me because I have a card that, you know, a business type card that refers to. Ohh, what's the name of the hotel at the corner back in the 8 late 1800s of?
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Queen and Fry. So it must have been over where the Zul house is before the Zul house went there. Ohh I knew that there was one opposite them in on the corner of Oliver and Prince. Yes yes yes that's right. Queen and Fry. So it must have been over where the Zul house is before the Zul house went there. Ohh I knew that there was one opposite them in on the corner of Oliver and Prince. Yes yes yes that's right.
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Yes, the hotel here. Yes. I Ohh, yes I I. Anyway, that's cleared up where that hotel is. So I thought that Zul house might have been there forever because it's you know the Gables I think it's called, isn't it? Yes, but maybe it is about 1900, that house. Well, incidentally the Crown bakery was called a given that name by my mother's. One of my brother's mother's brothers, Jack. Yes, the hotel here. Yes. I Ohh, yes I I. Anyway, that's cleared up where that hotel is. So I thought that Zul house might have been there forever because it's you know the Gables I think it's called, isn't it? Yes, but maybe it is about 1900, that house. Well, incidentally the Crown bakery was called a given that name by my mother's. One of my brother's mother's brothers, Jack.
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I see. And and and he he was a Baker. Ohh yeah. And apparently it was in a shocking mess and he wasn't able to bake for I think, a few weeks, so he had to get he had to clean it up completely and it took a few weeks to be done. But anyway, he did and he named it the he gave it that name. The Crown Bakery. Hmm. Ohh goodness me. We. What is the the the term, What's the terminology for climbing the name? I see. And and and he he was a Baker. Ohh yeah. And apparently it was in a shocking mess and he wasn't able to bake for I think, a few weeks, so he had to get he had to clean it up completely and it took a few weeks to be done. But anyway, he did and he named it the he gave it that name. The Crown Bakery. Hmm. Ohh goodness me. We. What is the the the term, What's the terminology for climbing the name?
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You we we might go to Hancocks and say, hey, you owe the forwards a few dollars. You we we might go to Hancocks and say, hey, you owe the forwards a few dollars.
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Using the name Well they were they go under hex now they they they don't use the crown bakery or their father did when they were up at in Queen Street. I was in quota with forgotten her name now but yeah census and coke. Yeah. And I did mention it to her. Ohh. OK well it's a it's a wonderful wonderful family. They've all made your contribution to Grafton and you yourself then Zeta born 1920 five 31st of January. Using the name Well they were they go under hex now they they they don't use the crown bakery or their father did when they were up at in Queen Street. I was in quota with forgotten her name now but yeah census and coke. Yeah. And I did mention it to her. Ohh. OK well it's a it's a wonderful wonderful family. They've all made your contribution to Grafton and you yourself then Zeta born 1920 five 31st of January.
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Hmm. So you've lived in Grafton. Was your life. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Ohh. Long time and so. Hmm. So you've lived in Grafton. Was your life. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Ohh. Long time and so.
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You went to school here? Yes, I went to the entrance and public school in Grafton, on the corner of. You went to school here? Yes, I went to the entrance and public school in Grafton, on the corner of.
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Bacon and Queen, Queen Streets. And then I went and when it was time to go to high school in Mary St. here, so I went as far as the intermediates. Bacon and Queen, Queen Streets. And then I went and when it was time to go to high school in Mary St. here, so I went as far as the intermediates.
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And then I went to Missus Pages Business College. And then I went to Missus Pages Business College.
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Shorthand typing. Where would they not heard of that? We're just paying Mrs. Edith Page, who used to live. Shorthand typing. Where would they not heard of that? We're just paying Mrs. Edith Page, who used to live.
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In Villiers St. the 2nd house from Pound St. it was a stone cottage. In Villiers St. the 2nd house from Pound St. it was a stone cottage.
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Almost on the ground level and if I remember rightly it had an attic. Almost on the ground level and if I remember rightly it had an attic.
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And she taught. And she taught.
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Booking, booking, booking, keeping, typing. Business principles, yes. Business principle. That's. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, it was right beside the County Council building. There was a stairway. Booking, booking, booking, keeping, typing. Business principles, yes. Business principle. That's. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, it was right beside the County Council building. There was a stairway.
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I'm sure that's where it was, and I don't think it was the other side of there used to be, Mr. I'm sure that's where it was, and I don't think it was the other side of there used to be, Mr.
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Pattern or some no. Some name he had a. Pattern or some no. Some name he had a.
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Car place Yes we're in Villiers No in Pound in I'm back into Prince St. Ohh. Back at Prince St. right. Yes. Yes. Car place Yes we're in Villiers No in Pound in I'm back into Prince St. Ohh. Back at Prince St. right. Yes. Yes.
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And then I think he went around into. And then I think he went around into.
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Fitzroy St. Ohh OK, but anyway, it was a stairway and I'm sure it was there. Or else it might have been on the other side where the rural bank used to be there because there was a stairway there. Umm, and she was upstairs. OK And I can remember Mr. Bott. Fitzroy St. Ohh OK, but anyway, it was a stairway and I'm sure it was there. Or else it might have been on the other side where the rural bank used to be there because there was a stairway there. Umm, and she was upstairs. OK And I can remember Mr. Bott.
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Also had an office up there and he was an accountant. Yes, yes. Gwen Botts. Dad. Yes, yes. And so I was there and I. Also had an office up there and he was an accountant. Yes, yes. Gwen Botts. Dad. Yes, yes. And so I was there and I.
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Finished there? Finished there?
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And although I didn't finish there because I used to have to go back at night time and and and and we used to have lessons, if we didn't quite finish the course, it was wartime and Mavis Mcclymont used to help her, OK And when Mavis slipped and she got a position with it seemed to be in, if I remember rightly, in employment. And although I didn't finish there because I used to have to go back at night time and and and and we used to have lessons, if we didn't quite finish the course, it was wartime and Mavis Mcclymont used to help her, OK And when Mavis slipped and she got a position with it seemed to be in, if I remember rightly, in employment.
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Part a section that happened during the war years And if a position came up while you were almost obliged to take. Yeah position. Was it known as the Commonwealth Employment Service? I don't think it was quite that. Right. Yeah. OK. But it was up a stairway at the side or part of the the Pullman building. Yes. Yes. And was later Reg Stackpool was that it wasn't a years years Well. Part a section that happened during the war years And if a position came up while you were almost obliged to take. Yeah position. Was it known as the Commonwealth Employment Service? I don't think it was quite that. Right. Yeah. OK. But it was up a stairway at the side or part of the the Pullman building. Yes. Yes. And was later Reg Stackpool was that it wasn't a years years Well.
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I had a position for seven months in the office at Jr. Norris and Sons bicycle shop. The bike shop yet was near the commercial banking you next door there. Yes, yes, yes. But then a position. I wasn't completely satisfied. It wasn't really what I wanted. Were you? Were you able to buy a bike at Strade discount and well, I suppose possibly if I didn't already have one. Melbourne star. Yeah. Ohh they sale spangles. I had a position for seven months in the office at Jr. Norris and Sons bicycle shop. The bike shop yet was near the commercial banking you next door there. Yes, yes, yes. But then a position. I wasn't completely satisfied. It wasn't really what I wanted. Were you? Were you able to buy a bike at Strade discount and well, I suppose possibly if I didn't already have one. Melbourne star. Yeah. Ohh they sale spangles.
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Yeah. And anyway, it was interesting at times because as I say, it was war years and Americans used to come here, American boys used to come here and leave. And of course there'd be a lot of hiring out of bikes. Ohh, right by then, yes. Yeah. And anyway, it was interesting at times because as I say, it was war years and Americans used to come here, American boys used to come here and leave. And of course there'd be a lot of hiring out of bikes. Ohh, right by then, yes.
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Well then I got a position with the County Council. Well then I got a position with the County Council.
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Then I will say for 12 years. Then I will say for 12 years.
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I worked very hard. I loved it. That was. I look upon that as the highlight of my working life. I really loved it, right? Yes, I really did. I worked hard and I enjoyed it. And and they were a wonderful organisations, like a family. Yes, absolutely wonderful. We were expected to do well and I think we all came up to that level. Yes. And my father had died. Yes, and. I worked very hard. I loved it. That was. I look upon that as the highlight of my working life. I really loved it, right? Yes, I really did. I worked hard and I enjoyed it. And and they were a wonderful organisations, like a family. Yes, absolutely wonderful. We were expected to do well and I think we all came up to that level. Yes. And my father had died. Yes, and.
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I had hoped to go to Sydney, but being the single one in the family, I feel obliged at least to stay with mother for years. And I looked at my future and I thought, ohh dear, I'm going to be here probably for the rest of my life. I had hoped to go to Sydney, but being the single one in the family, I feel obliged at least to stay with mother for years. And I looked at my future and I thought, ohh dear, I'm going to be here probably for the rest of my life.
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So I got a position at the municipal council over S South Grafton Municipal Court. Different, entirely different. Because I had worked very hard, as I say, at the County Council I had. I was responsible for a staff of 12. So I got a position at the municipal council over S South Grafton Municipal Court. Different, entirely different. Because I had worked very hard, as I say, at the County Council I had. I was responsible for a staff of 12.
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10 Booking booking Big machine operators and two clericals. 10 Booking booking Big machine operators and two clericals.
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And I went back to writing rate notices out by hand. Ohh yeah. Anyway, fortunately for me and the malformation between municipal, the municipal council and City Council happened. And so I came across to the City Council. 60s, wasn't it? Umm, yeah, forgotten the correct country member, Quite the date. And so obviously you until. And I went back to writing rate notices out by hand. Ohh yeah. Anyway, fortunately for me and the malformation between municipal, the municipal council and City Council happened. And so I came across to the City Council. 60s, wasn't it? Umm, yeah, forgotten the correct country member, Quite the date. And so obviously you until.
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So a big part of your working life is in government or local government, 39 years, years, years. And tell me of getting back to the County Council. Who was in charge then? In your days, Who was the county clerk? To see more? Always Seymour. Yes. Mr. Donnelly was the deputy. That's right. Who later became Lloyd Dolly, didn't he, The county clerk? Yes, very. They were very wonderful. And he, of course, was in charge of staff. He was very. So a big part of your working life is in government or local government, 39 years, years, years. And tell me of getting back to the County Council. Who was in charge then? In your days, Who was the county clerk? To see more? Always Seymour. Yes. Mr. Donnelly was the deputy. That's right. Who later became Lloyd Dolly, didn't he, The county clerk? Yes, very. They were very wonderful. And he, of course, was in charge of staff. He was very.
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Not exactly strict, but but you know, he had boundaries and and we had to work within those boundaries and umm. Not exactly strict, but but you know, he had boundaries and and we had to work within those boundaries and umm.
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And Zeta, you did speak earlier meeting being in the Quota Club. Where was it? With Mrs. Hancock? Yes. Ohh. Crowder was one of your interests. Yes. First of all though was commandants of the Voluntary Aid Detachment. Ohh, it's a World War Two, yes. Although I was in it for a little while before the war ended. And then it was started again in. And Zeta, you did speak earlier meeting being in the Quota Club. Where was it? With Mrs. Hancock? Yes. Ohh. Crowder was one of your interests. Yes. First of all though was commandants of the Voluntary Aid Detachment. Ohh, it's a World War Two, yes. Although I was in it for a little while before the war ended. And then it was started again in.
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They this VADS isn't we called them That's right, this. We even put initials on things in those days. Be AD Yes 1944 Anzac Day 1944 Ohh look at them. But then in 59 missus McCallum who was the president of the Red Cross. They this VADS isn't we called them That's right, this. We even put initials on things in those days. Be AD Yes 1944 Anzac Day 1944 Ohh look at them. But then in 59 missus McCallum who was the president of the Red Cross.
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Missus cow McCallum. She initiated the starting of the a another detachment. And that was in 1959 and I was the commandant and Nancy Higgins was my true IC and Kay Waldridge was the treasurer. And So what was our wonderful photo group of ladies? Beautiful ladies. And. And I loved it. The way you're dressed with the gloves and the hats. Umm, your shoes and stockings. Yes, yes, yes. Ohh yes. Missus cow McCallum. She initiated the starting of the a another detachment. And that was in 1959 and I was the commandant and Nancy Higgins was my true IC and Kay Waldridge was the treasurer. And So what was our wonderful photo group of ladies? Beautiful ladies. And. And I loved it. The way you're dressed with the gloves and the hats. Umm, your shoes and stockings. Yes, yes, yes. Ohh yes.
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Meals are remember on this occasion going down to Sydney and marching with groups of of BID's to on. Meals are remember on this occasion going down to Sydney and marching with groups of of BID's to on.
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Ohh, the parade ground at Victoria Barrett. Yes, Victoria Parks. Ohh. And we had to umm we were presented the some of the commandants were presented to Lady Slim and the Governor General's wife or his Governor General. Not yes, Sir William Slim. He was supposed to be the man in charge of of taking the solute and so on. But he was ill. They had been in New Guinea and he came back ill. Ohh, the parade ground at Victoria Barrett. Yes, Victoria Parks. Ohh. And we had to umm we were presented the some of the commandants were presented to Lady Slim and the Governor General's wife or his Governor General. Not yes, Sir William Slim. He was supposed to be the man in charge of of taking the solute and so on. But he was ill. They had been in New Guinea and he came back ill.
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And so his wife took that position and and what really was our our role, what kind of work did we do in the VA D Well, we went to the hospital and helped out there with visitation. And no, we we'd have to do a little odd jobs that we were allowed to do. Nothing medically, of course, but perhaps a help them sponge people and help the nurses. And so his wife took that position and and what really was our our role, what kind of work did we do in the VA D Well, we went to the hospital and helped out there with visitation. And no, we we'd have to do a little odd jobs that we were allowed to do. Nothing medically, of course, but perhaps a help them sponge people and help the nurses.
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Real time. We'd have to go into homes sometimes. Alright. Yes, so. Real time. We'd have to go into homes sometimes. Alright. Yes, so.
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Out of that, I think the home nursing started actually Ohh and and then I lived. Out of that, I think the home nursing started actually Ohh and and then I lived.
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OK, after about four or five years and I've been invited to join Quota, so I went to the Quota Club. OK, after about four or five years and I've been invited to join Quota, so I went to the Quota Club.
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And you had some years there. I had some years there, yes. I was honoured in 1974 by being their woman of achievement, 1974 years of that award. And you had some years there. I had some years there, yes. I was honoured in 1974 by being their woman of achievement, 1974 years of that award.
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We're looking at Zeta Scrapbook now and we're checking up on some of the activities. Ohh, there's a photo of you with dipping the blood when dinner was the president. We're looking at Zeta Scrapbook now and we're checking up on some of the activities. Ohh, there's a photo of you with dipping the blood when dinner was the president.
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That's 1974. You were the woman of achievement. I had resigned in 73 simply because my mother was not very well right and I needed to attend her family. That's 1974. You were the woman of achievement. I had resigned in 73 simply because my mother was not very well right and I needed to attend her family.
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And so I took. I took this on a. And so I took. I took this on a.
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Realising that part of it was for her because she was right behind me, she did a lot of cooking for the street store. She did, and she encouraged me in all ways, so there's I felt an honour for her as well. Realising that part of it was for her because she was right behind me, she did a lot of cooking for the street store. She did, and she encouraged me in all ways, so there's I felt an honour for her as well.
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And to overcome any confusion at all with the spelling of your name, I noticed that you are referred to here as ZE ITA, whereas you now just called yourself and said E double TIZ. It causes less confusion because the correct pronunciation, pronunciation I guess would be zita, but whether my parents pronounced it incorrectly or whether that. And to overcome any confusion at all with the spelling of your name, I noticed that you are referred to here as ZE ITA, whereas you now just called yourself and said E double TIZ. It causes less confusion because the correct pronunciation, pronunciation I guess would be zita, but whether my parents pronounced it incorrectly or whether that.
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They desired to call it Zeta. I don't know. So to not confuse people, I write the ZE double TA yes, and it might have some Scottish connotation in the pronunciation of the two vowels together. Or well, I think it's more Mediterranean actually. Ohh, OK come on. Where did we get this from this. Not not, no, nothing like that. But it was interesting that one day I have been to Israel and I was after I came home. They desired to call it Zeta. I don't know. So to not confuse people, I write the ZE double TA yes, and it might have some Scottish connotation in the pronunciation of the two vowels together. Or well, I think it's more Mediterranean actually. Ohh, OK come on. Where did we get this from this. Not not, no, nothing like that. But it was interesting that one day I have been to Israel and I was after I came home.
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I was looking at a map and I found that name. Did you? So that's why I think it must be measured around. I'll tell you, Bill Mother found it in a fashion book. I was looking at a map and I found that name. Did you? So that's why I think it must be measured around. I'll tell you, Bill Mother found it in a fashion book.
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I like that. I like that.
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In that fashion book ain't good on it. Yeah. Well, my mother, I think, did that with one of my sisters. In that fashion book ain't good on it. Yeah. Well, my mother, I think, did that with one of my sisters.
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At the time most sister, second sister Deanna was born. Deanna Durbin was the big star film star. And I think Mummy was influenced by that. Yeah, that happens. I think it does. Yeah. Ohh, that's that's great. So the ID's and the quota and you've made some notes here as well. You've won some some of the things you wanted to talk about. Not exactly. Just to answer some of the questions I thought you might ask me. At the time most sister, second sister Deanna was born. Deanna Durbin was the big star film star. And I think Mummy was influenced by that. Yeah, that happens. I think it does. Yeah. Ohh, that's that's great. So the ID's and the quota and you've made some notes here as well. You've won some some of the things you wanted to talk about. Not exactly. Just to answer some of the questions I thought you might ask me.
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Well, let's let's move on to talk about your activities in the church. You're still very prominent in the Methodist Church, but to give us, tell us the story of your background as far as your real life in church activities are concerned or churches? Well, let's let's move on to talk about your activities in the church. You're still very prominent in the Methodist Church, but to give us, tell us the story of your background as far as your real life in church activities are concerned or churches?
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Well, I was brought up in the Salvation Army because your parent was. My parents were both belonged to his father did come out of the Baptist Church. Their family were Baptists and or his family and my mother's family were Anglican. Well, I was brought up in the Salvation Army because your parent was. My parents were both belonged to his father did come out of the Baptist Church. Their family were Baptists and or his family and my mother's family were Anglican.
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They want the. The Wunderlist was married in the. They want the. The Wunderlist was married in the.
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Not you, not the cathedral now, but the little church that was opposite on the other corner. Yes, and I don't know why they left, but they did. And grandfather wondered which went to the Methodist Church. Not you, not the cathedral now, but the little church that was opposite on the other corner. Yes, and I don't know why they left, but they did. And grandfather wondered which went to the Methodist Church.
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But the Salvation Army had started in Grafton, and Grandma decided she was going to go there. But the Salvation Army had started in Grafton, and Grandma decided she was going to go there.
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So, excuse me. At that time, there still was a Lutheran Church, wasn't there. And they may have, you may still have been there. Yeah. Yes. No. Yeah, Gone. OK. They they went that way to the Salvation Army. Yeah, Grandma went that way. And my father was going and of course, naturally, my mum. So, excuse me. At that time, there still was a Lutheran Church, wasn't there. And they may have, you may still have been there. Yeah. Yes. No. Yeah, Gone. OK. They they went that way to the Salvation Army. Yeah, Grandma went that way. And my father was going and of course, naturally, my mum.
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And so we were brought up in the Salvation Army. Incidentally, their wedding was quite something, and you would be interested to know that they were married. And so we were brought up in the Salvation Army. Incidentally, their wedding was quite something, and you would be interested to know that they were married.
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As a Salvation Army wedding in a building called the Rink. As a Salvation Army wedding in a building called the Rink.
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Now that was at the corner. Now that was at the corner.
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Of Queen and Victoria streets. Of Queen and Victoria streets.
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And today it is called No, not Victoria Fitzroy, St. Queen, Anne Fitzroy. Yesterday it's called Western Investments. Yes, it was the Trocadero was there before, Yes, yes, it was called the rink apparently before that, before it was the Trocadero, Yes, yes. So that was the way their wedding took place but full, full Salvation Army reading. They both wore uniforms and and I suppose the Salvation Army citadel was there in Pound Street at that time and wouldn't have been big enough for him. And today it is called No, not Victoria Fitzroy, St. Queen, Anne Fitzroy. Yesterday it's called Western Investments. Yes, it was the Trocadero was there before, Yes, yes, it was called the rink apparently before that, before it was the Trocadero, Yes, yes. So that was the way their wedding took place but full, full Salvation Army reading. They both wore uniforms and and I suppose the Salvation Army citadel was there in Pound Street at that time and wouldn't have been big enough for him.
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Well, maybe not. I don't know because in in the write up in the paper there was a little paragraph about people having to pay 2 shillings or two and six to go to people who would not guess go to the wedding. Ohh. Just to have a look. Ohh. Well, maybe not. I don't know because in in the write up in the paper there was a little paragraph about people having to pay 2 shillings or two and six to go to people who would not guess go to the wedding. Ohh. Just to have a look. Ohh.
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Well however we attended Sunday school and and youth group and whatever was available but. Well however we attended Sunday school and and youth group and whatever was available but.
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Touch. Touch.
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When I got to the teenage stage of about, I suppose 1617, like a lot of churches, they ebb and flow. Yes, yes. And there were really not not any I don't think teenagers there. And my sister who was nursing at the base hospital came across the Reverend Edmund T Walker who was the minister at the Methodist Church and they apparently conversed and. When I got to the teenage stage of about, I suppose 1617, like a lot of churches, they ebb and flow. Yes, yes. And there were really not not any I don't think teenagers there. And my sister who was nursing at the base hospital came across the Reverend Edmund T Walker who was the minister at the Methodist Church and they apparently conversed and.
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My sister was told that there were a lot of young people at the Methodist Church, so she spoke with mother and dad and and said, look, it might be a good idea if the two younger ones go there so that they can have some fellowship. And so that was the. My sister was told that there were a lot of young people at the Methodist Church, so she spoke with mother and dad and and said, look, it might be a good idea if the two younger ones go there so that they can have some fellowship. And so that was the.
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That's the mechanistic corner of Bacon and Prince. Yeah, true. So I built 1920. That's the mechanistic corner of Bacon and Prince. Yeah, true. So I built 1920.
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What is it, 23? No more about that than I do when it was built. I know that. Alan Walker's 27. I think now, 2323 it was. It was. They did show films there for a while because when I first went there, there was a sloping floor. What is it, 23? No more about that than I do when it was built. I know that. Alan Walker's 27. I think now, 2323 it was. It was. They did show films there for a while because when I first went there, there was a sloping floor.
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Yes, yes, yes. And of course there was the little church in Fry St. Yes, yes, yes. And of course there was the little church in Fry St.
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See him? Methodist Church. Umm, And the passage was on the years that it's still there. Yeah. And the first of the Methodist churches was on the corner there, wasn't it? A fry and Prince years opposite the tennis court sort of thing. See him? Methodist Church. Umm, And the passage was on the years that it's still there. Yeah. And the first of the Methodist churches was on the corner there, wasn't it? A fry and Prince years opposite the tennis court sort of thing.
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Interest my my sister Barbara I I think the Methodist Church there was the first organised kindergarten for children prior preschool in in the 1930s and most of Barbara used to go up there she was because we lived just down there in Baker Street. So ** *** loved it there. Yeah. Well that was started I think by now Schaefer Helen's wife. Ohh. And that was at the White House. Where the White House. Yes. Yes. And. Interest my my sister Barbara I I think the Methodist Church there was the first organised kindergarten for children prior preschool in in the 1930s and most of Barbara used to go up there she was because we lived just down there in Baker Street. So ** *** loved it there. Yeah. Well that was started I think by now Schaefer Helen's wife. Ohh. And that was at the White House. Where the White House. Yes. Yes. And.
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And Mr. Selwyn Page used to help her. Then it was the beginning of the Jack and Jill kindergarten. Yes. Yes. That's it. The Jack and Jill. Now tell me before we get off the Salvation Army. Did you learn to play a musical instrument who never learned. You didn't. Never learned to play the violin. Well yeah. Tambourine. Amberina. Ohh December all. No I didn't. No, no, no. I didn't know you have those you know an instrument. No. And and and the current and the situation in the Salvation Army band at the moment. I think that's. And Mr. Selwyn Page used to help her. Then it was the beginning of the Jack and Jill kindergarten. Yes. Yes. That's it. The Jack and Jill. Now tell me before we get off the Salvation Army. Did you learn to play a musical instrument who never learned. You didn't. Never learned to play the violin. Well yeah. Tambourine. Amberina. Ohh December all. No I didn't. No, no, no. I didn't know you have those you know an instrument. No. And and and the current and the situation in the Salvation Army band at the moment. I think that's.
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Disappeared. Disappeared.
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Have said they do the Christmas rounds of the town. At the moment I don't think there's anybody playing that is the timber of the more correct pronunciation, not tambourine. Ohh, OK And I don't think we've got anybody play with anymore. Have said they do the Christmas rounds of the town. At the moment I don't think there's anybody playing that is the timber of the more correct pronunciation, not tambourine. Ohh, OK And I don't think we've got anybody play with anymore.
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I remember Bill Payne had two daughters. Yes and and they they both played the the Tim Boyd had them a dozen and Villa as entertaining when it when the in the Salvation Army band used to come out there some years ago and they they they had quite a few played the timbral and ohh yes yes I think it's wonderful. I think if there's something special on and there might be some who can still come forward. Yeah and play them please. Ohh OK now. I'm sorry I. I remember Bill Payne had two daughters. Yes and and they they both played the the Tim Boyd had them a dozen and Villa as entertaining when it when the in the Salvation Army band used to come out there some years ago and they they they had quite a few played the timbral and ohh yes yes I think it's wonderful. I think if there's something special on and there might be some who can still come forward. Yeah and play them please. Ohh OK now. I'm sorry I.
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But that question was in my mind about the musical instruments, because it seems that nearly I don't nearly everybody in the Salvation Army. But that question was in my mind about the musical instruments, because it seems that nearly I don't nearly everybody in the Salvation Army.
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Got involved in the music side of things and now you're turning over here? Yes. Well, this is the the Uniting Church one. I held several positions there and I was second steward at one stage, which is, yes, not not a usual thing in those days. Got involved in the music side of things and now you're turning over here? Yes. Well, this is the the Uniting Church one. I held several positions there and I was second steward at one stage, which is, yes, not not a usual thing in those days.
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I was so it became Uniting church. When was that About two years ago. About 30. The the late 70s. Yes. Combination of Presbyterian Congregational and the medical messages. Cheers is and so I took these sort of positions. Anything that was asked of me I would do. I was Superintendent of the Sunday school and. I was so it became Uniting church. When was that About two years ago. About 30. The the late 70s. Yes. Combination of Presbyterian Congregational and the medical messages. Cheers is and so I took these sort of positions. Anything that was asked of me I would do. I was Superintendent of the Sunday school and.
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Saying a little bit in the choir. Saying a little bit in the choir.
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And we had a care and share group where we help people. And so I was in charge of that. And then in later years, we had the Christmas dinner. Yes, that's a wonderful, wonderful. I had no way to have their Christmas years. And I know that your family helped contribute very much about going out, but that's a wonderful gathering of people, yes. And we had a care and share group where we help people. And so I was in charge of that. And then in later years, we had the Christmas dinner. Yes, that's a wonderful, wonderful. I had no way to have their Christmas years. And I know that your family helped contribute very much about going out, but that's a wonderful gathering of people, yes.
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But of course, it's not happening now. And and just last week a gentleman who used to come said to me, you still at the church. And I said, yes, I am. But I'm afraid that Christmas, Christmas dinners not on. Yeah, As you said earlier that ebb and flow of church activities. Yes, yeah, it's come. But of course, it's not happening now. And and just last week a gentleman who used to come said to me, you still at the church. And I said, yes, I am. But I'm afraid that Christmas, Christmas dinners not on. Yeah, As you said earlier that ebb and flow of church activities. Yes, yeah, it's come.
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And then of course, later on our Presbytery, which I think you call a diocese in your church, yes, yes, our Presbytery conducted tours and I still do. And perhaps I would conduct four or five a year and I was invited for one year each. Each year I would be invited to be chaplain on one of those tours where they go to the world Kangaroo Island around the Great Ocean Road. And then of course, later on our Presbytery, which I think you call a diocese in your church, yes, yes, our Presbytery conducted tours and I still do. And perhaps I would conduct four or five a year and I was invited for one year each. Each year I would be invited to be chaplain on one of those tours where they go to the world Kangaroo Island around the Great Ocean Road.
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And and and and and you would take your own church people or we're on there. It was just there was a a committee and well, a lot of them were church people, yeah. And they're friends or family. And some people who didn't go to church at all. But it was open as a base. It was a business. I see. Yeah. And on that was a leader and a a leader. And and and and and you would take your own church people or we're on there. It was just there was a a committee and well, a lot of them were church people, yeah. And they're friends or family. And some people who didn't go to church at all. But it was open as a base. It was a business. I see. Yeah. And on that was a leader and a a leader.
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And the Chapman and naturally the driver, Yes. So we went to many, many places. And you went to Kangaroo Island. I've never been there. I've heard people say that it's a very special place, is an interesting place and I think I've been three times around the ocean, great Ocean Road. So I was really blessed because I love travelling. And you've done a fair bit of that. You mentioned Israel earlier. Yes, Yes. Was that a, an organised tour or? Well, yes, I went when I was at the city. And the Chapman and naturally the driver, Yes. So we went to many, many places. And you went to Kangaroo Island. I've never been there. I've heard people say that it's a very special place, is an interesting place and I think I've been three times around the ocean, great Ocean Road. So I was really blessed because I love travelling. And you've done a fair bit of that. You mentioned Israel earlier. Yes, Yes. Was that a, an organised tour or? Well, yes, I went when I was at the city.
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Council. I went for four months overseas. Ohh, that was a long holiday. Well, I think I met an American lady over there somewhere throughout Europe who belonged to the Quota Club in America and she said, ohh fancy going for four months. And I said, well, we come a long way. Council. I went for four months overseas. Ohh, that was a long holiday. Well, I think I met an American lady over there somewhere throughout Europe who belonged to the Quota Club in America and she said, ohh fancy going for four months. And I said, well, we come a long way.
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And she used to have a mum's holiday per year taking in one country of Europe. Ohh, I see. Yes, so, so you you spent, you would have seen a lot of Europe. Then in that time in the tour, we did go on a tour. I went with a girlfriend from Sydney and the tour was called. And she used to have a mum's holiday per year taking in one country of Europe. Ohh, I see. Yes, so, so you you spent, you would have seen a lot of Europe. Then in that time in the tour, we did go on a tour. I went with a girlfriend from Sydney and the tour was called.
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The Holy Land and the seven churches Ohh, which took in Turkey, Turkey, yes and Greece, yes, and. The Holy Land and the seven churches Ohh, which took in Turkey, Turkey, yes and Greece, yes, and.
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Hmm. And. Hmm. And.
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That went on for a month and then we had a Eurail pass ticket. Ohh yeah, which took us. We did our own thing, but on and off trains, organised our own accommodation and went up to the Arctic Circle and did all sorts of things. And then we had a month in England that was in what period, 1978? That went on for a month and then we had a Eurail pass ticket. Ohh yeah, which took us. We did our own thing, but on and off trains, organised our own accommodation and went up to the Arctic Circle and did all sorts of things. And then we had a month in England that was in what period, 1978?
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Yes, and. Yes, and.
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Things were pretty calm and other than the the the Russian situation, the rest of the world was pretty calm. Yes, I remember we were in England in 1978 and then France and so on, and we we, we never thought of trouble. No, that's true. That is true. Even in 1990 when I went across and I think you went across to to see the Passion Play, yes. Things were pretty calm and other than the the the Russian situation, the rest of the world was pretty calm. Yes, I remember we were in England in 1978 and then France and so on, and we we, we never thought of trouble. No, that's true. That is true. Even in 1990 when I went across and I think you went across to to see the Passion Play, yes.
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Amigo, Yes, well I went over 901990 and of course that took him some of Europe and England. Again that's a fascinating we've got and I went to the 1990 but Abigail and that was an unbelievable experience wasn't it something I shall never forget. Yes, it's a matter of fact I I still have the the books of the service that they and I might get a practice of getting them out. Amigo, Yes, well I went over 901990 and of course that took him some of Europe and England. Again that's a fascinating we've got and I went to the 1990 but Abigail and that was an unbelievable experience wasn't it something I shall never forget. Yes, it's a matter of fact I I still have the the books of the service that they and I might get a practice of getting them out.
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In Holy Week, Yeah. And that's wonderful. And reading through the vacation really sort of, you know, puts you in touch with that particular. I think what touched me very much was the humility. In Holy Week, Yeah. And that's wonderful. And reading through the vacation really sort of, you know, puts you in touch with that particular. I think what touched me very much was the humility.
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Of the actors and of the orchestra, yeah. Nobody came. I I I just stood and cried. Nobody came onto the stage. Of the actors and of the orchestra, yeah. Nobody came. I I I just stood and cried. Nobody came onto the stage.
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To to have any honours. Yes, for acclamation and, umm, nothing. And they didn't take anything unto themselves. And I thought that was the most humbling experience. And I remember walking into a shop, we bought a couple of little woodwork statues and I said to dot, that's Saint Peter. That's right. That's right. He was bagging little wooden statues. He would just back and he's trying. That's right. Like Saint Peter went back to fishing after the resurrection. To to have any honours. Yes, for acclamation and, umm, nothing. And they didn't take anything unto themselves. And I thought that was the most humbling experience. And I remember walking into a shop, we bought a couple of little woodwork statues and I said to dot, that's Saint Peter. That's right. That's right. He was bagging little wooden statues. He would just back and he's trying. That's right. Like Saint Peter went back to fishing after the resurrection.
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Ohh dear. Well that's enough about me, so let's go back. Just go back to your family and and and talk of those early days of of as you were growing up well. Ohh dear. Well that's enough about me, so let's go back. Just go back to your family and and and talk of those early days of of as you were growing up well.
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Your family are notice your eldest brother was born in 1909 and you're in 1927. It was 25. So your family at the there's another brother after you 1927, so the family spread over 18 years. True. So did did the mum and dad stay in that mixed business and after that farming must have been in my father's blood because they did go to a place called Bagotville share farming. Your family are notice your eldest brother was born in 1909 and you're in 1927. It was 25. So your family at the there's another brother after you 1927, so the family spread over 18 years. True. So did did the mum and dad stay in that mixed business and after that farming must have been in my father's blood because they did go to a place called Bagotville share farming.
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With his brother-in-law, Charlie Higgins, who was a language. Yeah, so. Yep. And Bagged Ville was near austinville. Ohh, right? Yes. But it was apparently a very harrowing experience. With his brother-in-law, Charlie Higgins, who was a language. Yeah, so. Yep. And Bagged Ville was near austinville. Ohh, right? Yes. But it was apparently a very harrowing experience.
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And you didn't go well. I wasn't always before you were born, right? Yeah. And there were just three of them. Yep. And the first years, the 1st 3 mother who was born in Pound St. And you didn't go well. I wasn't always before you were born, right? Yeah. And there were just three of them. Yep. And the first years, the 1st 3 mother who was born in Pound St.
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And she went to this isolated place, she said. Her nearest neighbour was 4 miles away and all she could see was the the roof of the home. Ohh my father. It was a very, apparently a very sad and a very hard time for them. He lost his beautiful Clydesdale horse there. And she went to this isolated place, she said. Her nearest neighbour was 4 miles away and all she could see was the the roof of the home. Ohh my father. It was a very, apparently a very sad and a very hard time for them. He lost his beautiful Clydesdale horse there.
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The the cattle he would have to put in slings. The the cattle he would have to put in slings.
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It was a very to lift them. They were so weak, so eventually, I don't quite know how long they were there, but they did go into Austinville and he got a position with them. It was a very to lift them. They were so weak, so eventually, I don't quite know how long they were there, but they did go into Austinville and he got a position with them.
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Strangely enough with the store ohh. And then they came back to lower Southgate and again they share farmed with Mr. Ernie Clark on one of his farms right? And again my father wanted a piece of an acre of ground according to the family story, to grow his veggies. He was a very clean apparently on veggies apart from corn and. Strangely enough with the store ohh. And then they came back to lower Southgate and again they share farmed with Mr. Ernie Clark on one of his farms right? And again my father wanted a piece of an acre of ground according to the family story, to grow his veggies. He was a very clean apparently on veggies apart from corn and.
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And potatoes, and and and Deering and he would bring his. And potatoes, and and and Deering and he would bring his.
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Vegetables to graft. Vegetables to graft.
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To sell. Well, then they came up and they bought a 10 acre farm in Oliver St. and this is where I was born. It was surrounded, was in Oliver St. and it was surrounded by Villia Fry and Clarence Street. To sell. Well, then they came up and they bought a 10 acre farm in Oliver St. and this is where I was born. It was surrounded, was in Oliver St. and it was surrounded by Villia Fry and Clarence Street.
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OK, all of the streets of Fisher Park, yes. OK, all of the streets of Fisher Park, yes.
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Really is. Really is.
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Fry and Clarence and Clarence. Ohh OK, I know that area well. We live just 50 yards at the back of lower Fisher Park at 94 Village St. here. So alright, OK, I know that area well. Part of that would have been my father's son. Yes. And WJ Wiley at one stage. Ohh still in the Wiley family owns that paddock directly behind the back fence of the show ground it goes up to Doby. Fry and Clarence and Clarence. Ohh OK, I know that area well. We live just 50 yards at the back of lower Fisher Park at 94 Village St. here. So alright, OK, I know that area well. Part of that would have been my father's son. Yes. And WJ Wiley at one stage. Ohh still in the Wiley family owns that paddock directly behind the back fence of the show ground it goes up to Doby.
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Would you go as far as Toby? No. Ohh. OK Right. So it's back in the. Yes I can remember and that's very fertile ground there. Where is it gets about 8 feet of flood water over the flood comes. Yeah, I suppose so. The little Knoll that's in Oliver St. just off it really street is where the house was where I was born with this McKnight being the midwives. Yeah. But that house now is around in Clarence Street. Would you go as far as Toby? No. Ohh. OK Right. So it's back in the. Yes I can remember and that's very fertile ground there. Where is it gets about 8 feet of flood water over the flood comes. Yeah, I suppose so. The little Knoll that's in Oliver St. just off it really street is where the house was where I was born with this McKnight being the midwives. Yeah. But that house now is around in Clarence Street.
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Lifted and changed a little bit. So it's still in existence. Yes. And it was in all of our street. Yes, right. Well, and then my father sold that and and I've been thinking lately with a lot of the mortgage problems, my father had to pay compound interest on the loan. There it is again a very. Lifted and changed a little bit. So it's still in existence. Yes. And it was in all of our street. Yes, right. Well, and then my father sold that and and I've been thinking lately with a lot of the mortgage problems, my father had to pay compound interest on the loan. There it is again a very.
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A very, what? You would say very lean times. And then he bought a farm out in Crown St. A very, what? You would say very lean times. And then he bought a farm out in Crown St.
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Opposite, the cemetery is on the corner of Villier and Crown, Billies and Crown. And of course it went down to the river, right? Yes, yes. Over the years he leased the treatment works land from the council and of course that is where the Bishop's home was. Yes, Bishop of the Anglican Church. He also leased land, the Culture estate, which was at the end of Crown St. just at the end of it. Opposite, the cemetery is on the corner of Villier and Crown, Billies and Crown. And of course it went down to the river, right? Yes, yes. Over the years he leased the treatment works land from the council and of course that is where the Bishop's home was. Yes, Bishop of the Anglican Church. He also leased land, the Culture estate, which was at the end of Crown St. just at the end of it.
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Clarence and Crown St. right here. If that wasn't enough. Gee, that's a lot of land but blocks blocks of land down there. You know self for $300,000 down the river. You know, I, I, I wonder if a flood should come. But anyway that's. I trust it doesn't because the Levy bank went through our property. Yes. The lodge. The lodge is it. And I remember in 1946. Flood. That was the first flood I remember. I remember. Clarence and Crown St. right here. If that wasn't enough. Gee, that's a lot of land but blocks blocks of land down there. You know self for $300,000 down the river. You know, I, I, I wonder if a flood should come. But anyway that's. I trust it doesn't because the Levy bank went through our property. Yes. The lodge. The lodge is it. And I remember in 1946. Flood. That was the first flood I remember. I remember.
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And it broke in three places. Yes, I was in high school and I felt so guilty. And it broke in three places. Yes, I was in high school and I felt so guilty.
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Going to high school thinking ohh it all happened on our place. Going to high school thinking ohh it all happened on our place.
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But any anyway. My father was invited, as if he wasn't working hard enough. He was invited if he would be Sexton. But any anyway. My father was invited, as if he wasn't working hard enough. He was invited if he would be Sexton.
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And caretaker of the cemetery. The cemetery. And to be assessed. And you also have to be the grave digger. Ohh. OK. So he took that on as well. Gee, your father wasn't frightened to work. No, he was Bill. He was a very hard worker. His family were very important to him. We were a very close knit family. And yes he did. And my mother who was a real town girl. And caretaker of the cemetery. The cemetery. And to be assessed. And you also have to be the grave digger. Ohh. OK. So he took that on as well. Gee, your father wasn't frightened to work. No, he was Bill. He was a very hard worker. His family were very important to him. We were a very close knit family. And yes he did. And my mother who was a real town girl.
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I I was just amazed how she fell into that position. And there's a great worker beside my father. See, there were a lot of sacrifices, hard working family. And what about the the your brothers and sisters now? Are there any of them around? No, I'm the only one of the family left. I I was just amazed how she fell into that position. And there's a great worker beside my father. See, there were a lot of sacrifices, hard working family. And what about the the your brothers and sisters now? Are there any of them around? No, I'm the only one of the family left.
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Alright. Yes, yes. Ohh. Gee, you're better carry the flag. Yes. My sister veggies died when she was only 48, leaving her husband and three children. She had cancer. Ohh dear. Hmm. So. Alright. Yes, yes. Ohh. Gee, you're better carry the flag. Yes. My sister veggies died when she was only 48, leaving her husband and three children. She had cancer. Ohh dear. Hmm. So.
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And Rage died when he was only about 52. He had a heart attack. And Rage died when he was only about 52. He had a heart attack.
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So the rest of the family seemed to make 70s. So the rest of the family seemed to make 70s.
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Or 80s. You're really your 80s. I am, yeah. Now you're you're doing very well, very well, very grateful and your interests nowadays, said arts centered around the church. Or 80s. You're really your 80s. I am, yeah. Now you're you're doing very well, very well, very grateful and your interests nowadays, said arts centered around the church.
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And. And.
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Home. Yes, I I did chaplaincy course a few years ago and there is a chaplain at the hospital that she works one day a week and she said she couldn't get drowned to everyone. So the hospital agreed that she could have two others in her team. So we're just volunteers and we just go and say hello to people and hospital just just use just sit and listen to people who might want to share. Home. Yes, I I did chaplaincy course a few years ago and there is a chaplain at the hospital that she works one day a week and she said she couldn't get drowned to everyone. So the hospital agreed that she could have two others in her team. So we're just volunteers and we just go and say hello to people and hospital just just use just sit and listen to people who might want to share.
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They large story. Ohh yes so. They large story. Ohh yes so.
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If there's no no coercing into any religious or Christian ways of life or anything like that, it's it's up to them if they want to talk about those sorts of things, really. If there's no no coercing into any religious or Christian ways of life or anything like that, it's it's up to them if they want to talk about those sorts of things, really.
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But it's very, very rewarding, sometimes very, very sad. But it's very, very rewarding, sometimes very, very sad.
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But but that's what I seem to do and I'm also the churches. But but that's what I seem to do and I'm also the churches.
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Representative in visiting any of our folk in church. Representative in visiting any of our folk in church.
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So, I'm sorry, in hospital. Ohh. In hospital, yes, yes, right. That's a great role. Yes, that's what I do mainly. So, I'm sorry, in hospital. Ohh. In hospital, yes, yes, right. That's a great role. Yes, that's what I do mainly.
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Seen you in action role, yes. Seen you in action role, yes.
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That's great, that's great. And getting back to the flood, so you've you you spoke of Ulster Lodge in that 1946 blood, which I think was only a almost a get ready graph because bigger things are going to happen to you. That's great, that's great. And getting back to the flood, so you've you you spoke of Ulster Lodge in that 1946 blood, which I think was only a almost a get ready graph because bigger things are going to happen to you.
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Been 46 then 48 I think another one wasn't there and then fifty was the real big one. Umm and we used to living down there in the 50 flood. No my my parents sold the farm in 1949 and they bought an 11 roomed home in Villiers St. next door to Missus Granger who lived on the corner. Ohh yeah yes. Of Fitzroy and billiard where the motel or well shopping at the service station. Been 46 then 48 I think another one wasn't there and then fifty was the real big one. Umm and we used to living down there in the 50 flood. No my my parents sold the farm in 1949 and they bought an 11 roomed home in Villiers St. next door to Missus Granger who lived on the corner. Ohh yeah yes. Of Fitzroy and billiard where the motel or well shopping at the service station.
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Yeah, but that's right. That first Plaza Motel was built there, wasn't it? Well, they bought the home next door. Ohh. I can remember that, Yes, yes, Marcellini owned it. Ohh is that. And I think Francis the shoe man built it originally, had it built originally. So that's where. But my father only lived for four years. And then of course the tailors came along and wanted to buy three homes to build the Plaza Motors, the motel and. Yeah, but that's right. That first Plaza Motel was built there, wasn't it? Well, they bought the home next door. Ohh. I can remember that, Yes, yes, Marcellini owned it. Ohh is that. And I think Francis the shoe man built it originally, had it built originally. So that's where. But my father only lived for four years. And then of course the tailors came along and wanted to buy three homes to build the Plaza Motors, the motel and.
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Mother and I shifted up to 1114 out of St. Mother and I shifted up to 1114 out of St.
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And that's where she lived until she passed away in 70. That's right around there. Yes. Yeah. And I sold it in nine in 2000. And I've been here in this unit now for eight years this month. Gee, is it that long? Goodness, mine in the original Jacaranda Ave. Yes, the original Jacaranda. So and in that in the big floods, the 50 and the 54 and 6367, you were working at the Northern Rivers. And that's where she lived until she passed away in 70. That's right around there. Yes. Yeah. And I sold it in nine in 2000. And I've been here in this unit now for eight years this month. Gee, is it that long? Goodness, mine in the original Jacaranda Ave. Yes, the original Jacaranda. So and in that in the big floods, the 50 and the 54 and 6367, you were working at the Northern Rivers.
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The City Council then I'll OK. Didn't we have a marvellous system then of forecasting Wilfred she was was a real genius at that nice order he was and and choclo and then Jock Lowe took over from him years and packing up your house if you were in the flood area as we were and and involved in Prince St. shops you took great. The City Council then I'll OK. Didn't we have a marvellous system then of forecasting Wilfred she was was a real genius at that nice order he was and and choclo and then Jock Lowe took over from him years and packing up your house if you were in the flood area as we were and and involved in Prince St. shops you took great.
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What's the word? Took a lot of great notice of their forecasting of how what the, how high the flood had comes, right. So you had to stack your things up. But of course and that really only happened wasn't after the 50 flood because it caught everybody out. The 50 floods after that we'll share that sort of developed that well. I think we were able to gauge what what was the difference was 60 feet at Covent Hurst it would be 2020 at the bottom of Prince. What's the word? Took a lot of great notice of their forecasting of how what the, how high the flood had comes, right. So you had to stack your things up. But of course and that really only happened wasn't after the 50 flood because it caught everybody out. The 50 floods after that we'll share that sort of developed that well. I think we were able to gauge what what was the difference was 60 feet at Covent Hurst it would be 2020 at the bottom of Prince.
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Right. Yeah. So that helped a lot. But I I'm lost now. I don't know how I would be here for instance. And yes, well, I'd, I remember it used to be we'd be roughly half of Tabulam and 1/3 of Coppin Hurst and of course, yes, those that that fifty was a real disaster. It caught so many people out. Right. Yeah. So that helped a lot. But I I'm lost now. I don't know how I would be here for instance. And yes, well, I'd, I remember it used to be we'd be roughly half of Tabulam and 1/3 of Coppin Hurst and of course, yes, those that that fifty was a real disaster. It caught so many people out.
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Yeah. Well, we did have water in William Street, but not in the house. Yes. Because you were up a little bit. Yeah. Yes. But we had to step down off the footpath into the into our pathway to go up the stairs to the house. So we did get a certain amount of water on the ground, but my grandma's house in Pound St. was up almost to the rooftops and that's where Woolworths are today. They live between Duke and. Yeah. Well, we did have water in William Street, but not in the house. Yes. Because you were up a little bit. Yeah. Yes. But we had to step down off the footpath into the into our pathway to go up the stairs to the house. So we did get a certain amount of water on the ground, but my grandma's house in Pound St. was up almost to the rooftops and that's where Woolworths are today. They live between Duke and.
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You could Villiers. Yes. There really copped it along there. Yeah. Which grandfather had built for them she had again and yes and which side of of. Of. You could Villiers. Yes. There really copped it along there. Yeah. Which grandfather had built for them she had again and yes and which side of of. Of.
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OK. I'm straight. Was it on the Riverside or did you say pound? Yes, yes, it was Where? Where the, where shopping world is now on that side? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. OK. I'm straight. Was it on the Riverside or did you say pound? Yes, yes, it was Where? Where the, where shopping world is now on that side? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
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Our parks are cause in that 50 and 54 and then later 63 and 67. Our hotel, the Royal Hotel was more or less the refuge point for all that area because they were all affected. The water was well and truly into their houses and they come over to the to the upstairs at the Royal remembering the 50 or 50 I think it was. Our parks are cause in that 50 and 54 and then later 63 and 67. Our hotel, the Royal Hotel was more or less the refuge point for all that area because they were all affected. The water was well and truly into their houses and they come over to the to the upstairs at the Royal remembering the 50 or 50 I think it was.
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54 The only cooking equipment we had Mum had it in 1950 was a Primus upstairs, a Promise and a big fry pan. And they could have been somewhere, you know, 50 to 60 or 70 people there and we're trying to feed them. 54 The only cooking equipment we had Mum had it in 1950 was a Primus upstairs, a Promise and a big fry pan. And they could have been somewhere, you know, 50 to 60 or 70 people there and we're trying to feed them.
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Well, the funny stories in that book was that. Well, the funny stories in that book was that.
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Because uh, it's the flood surprised everybody. Food supplies, particularly meat were were were in very short supply and at the height of the flood. Jack Biffen, Al Jack Biffen came along in a boat and he was supplying us at the hotel at meet at that time and he sang out how you doing for me that up there and my mum saying Oh no, we're out of, we're out of meat. He said I've got a heap of sausages. Because uh, it's the flood surprised everybody. Food supplies, particularly meat were were were in very short supply and at the height of the flood. Jack Biffen, Al Jack Biffen came along in a boat and he was supplying us at the hotel at meet at that time and he sang out how you doing for me that up there and my mum saying Oh no, we're out of, we're out of meat. He said I've got a heap of sausages.
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So how can I get them up to you? So we had one of the blokes there. What he did was because the the, the, the the flood was over the tops of the doors at ground level so we couldn't get the boat in there to go and use the stairs. So what this fellow did was he climbed down as a Telegraph pole right up against the end of our building in the corner and he could reach out from the front from the upstairs veranda and put his feet in the in the. So how can I get them up to you? So we had one of the blokes there. What he did was because the the, the, the the flood was over the tops of the doors at ground level so we couldn't get the boat in there to go and use the stairs. So what this fellow did was he climbed down as a Telegraph pole right up against the end of our building in the corner and he could reach out from the front from the upstairs veranda and put his feet in the in the.
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Folks of the Telegraph panel. So down he went about or I suppose well, the water is about 9 feet deep and then it's another four or five or six feet. So it gets down there and he's got all these sausages. But when he would goes to come back up and he finds he knows he's too handsome. So Jack different wrapped the sausages around his neck and after his arms. Folks of the Telegraph panel. So down he went about or I suppose well, the water is about 9 feet deep and then it's another four or five or six feet. So it gets down there and he's got all these sausages. But when he would goes to come back up and he finds he knows he's too handsome. So Jack different wrapped the sausages around his neck and after his arms.
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All they had was he's doing this, he's mad and such just everywhere but. All they had was he's doing this, he's mad and such just everywhere but.
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They were very much appreciated. Yeah. Oh goodness me. Ohh Yeah, that was that was floods. Yeah. We really went through them, didn't we? That's right. My father told the story of them, used to tell the story. I don't know what age he was, but the family lived on the corner of Prince and Dobby streets. Ohh, I'd show ground. Yeah. Where the show or Yeah, Prince and Dobby. This was in 1890 and I can remember that stone house. They were very much appreciated. Yeah. Oh goodness me. Ohh Yeah, that was that was floods. Yeah. We really went through them, didn't we? That's right. My father told the story of them, used to tell the story. I don't know what age he was, but the family lived on the corner of Prince and Dobby streets. Ohh, I'd show ground. Yeah. Where the show or Yeah, Prince and Dobby. This was in 1890 and I can remember that stone house.
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I used to walk by going to school and it was right on the footpath with probably at just one step up and it had an attic, right and and of course the the roads would have been dirt I suppose. I used to walk by going to school and it was right on the footpath with probably at just one step up and it had an attic, right and and of course the the roads would have been dirt I suppose.
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Starting little chap, yes. And he said that they were rescued from one of the attic windows. Right. So it was very, very deep. It was just 1890. And of course that's the one we fear this. It's a repeat that. Yes, we do. Yeah. And again, I suppose it caught everybody out in the in in the height of it being above expectation. Starting little chap, yes. And he said that they were rescued from one of the attic windows. Right. So it was very, very deep. It was just 1890. And of course that's the one we fear this. It's a repeat that. Yes, we do. Yeah. And again, I suppose it caught everybody out in the in in the height of it being above expectation.
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Or or experience prior to that, Yeah, true thingies, names. Or or experience prior to that, Yeah, true thingies, names.
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Ohh well, so we've done pretty well here today. I've enjoyed this talk. See how long it's gone for. Ohh goodness. 49 coming up to 50 minutes. Ohh, my goodness, I've talked a lot about myself. No. Well that's. I can't do interviews. You. That's right. Yeah. Ohh. Now I've enjoyed that. Now, is there anything that we missed that you'd think you'd like to add? Well, I was just thinking about when it has thereabouts the Clarence River or the the. Ohh well, so we've done pretty well here today. I've enjoyed this talk. See how long it's gone for. Ohh goodness. 49 coming up to 50 minutes. Ohh, my goodness, I've talked a lot about myself. No. Well that's. I can't do interviews. You. That's right. Yeah. Ohh. Now I've enjoyed that. Now, is there anything that we missed that you'd think you'd like to add? Well, I was just thinking about when it has thereabouts the Clarence River or the the.
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Water. Water.
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I did go to Sydney on the Sunderland flying boat Ohh yes yes. And that was. I've forgotten what year 1948. Ohh yes. It's a photograph here. This is the the the little boat that took the yes took me took us out to the flying bag get out onto and there it is in that yes I can see it there the flying back Ohh I see yes yes and that's me and the white parade. Ohh great since 1948. I did go to Sydney on the Sunderland flying boat Ohh yes yes. And that was. I've forgotten what year 1948. Ohh yes. It's a photograph here. This is the the the little boat that took the yes took me took us out to the flying bag get out onto and there it is in that yes I can see it there the flying back Ohh I see yes yes and that's me and the white parade. Ohh great since 1948.
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Yes. So that was quite an experience on the from the water. Yes. So that was quite an experience on the from the water.
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And the men with suits and hats on. Yes, Yes, Yes, yes. And. And you flew to Sydney on that day. Yes. And that, of course, at Rose Bay, Deer Hunter. Rose Bay was a wonderful service, was a great experience. Really. Yes, really. From the bottom of Prince Straight, almost into the heart of Sydney. You went to the Rose Bowl. You were great experience. Really. Yes. Yeah. It was a great service. And to think that. And the men with suits and hats on. Yes, Yes, Yes, yes. And. And you flew to Sydney on that day. Yes. And that, of course, at Rose Bay, Deer Hunter. Rose Bay was a wonderful service, was a great experience. Really. Yes, really. From the bottom of Prince Straight, almost into the heart of Sydney. You went to the Rose Bowl. You were great experience. Really. Yes. Yeah. It was a great service. And to think that.
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How much it cost to build an airport and God put the river there. Flushing was provided. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it was a great service. It's. How much it cost to build an airport and God put the river there. Flushing was provided. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it was a great service. It's.
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The flying boat day, Yeah, craft. And see how that stays with the flying boat. The flying boat day, Yeah, craft. And see how that stays with the flying boat.
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I don't know how long it seems it lasted here, but anyway ohh I think it was up until. I don't know how long it seems it lasted here, but anyway ohh I think it was up until.
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50S into the I think into the 60s might have been over at about 1960. 50S into the I think into the 60s might have been over at about 1960.
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It was as long as that one of the we'll have a story on that. In these reflections on the Clarence, we'll find somebody who was like Barry Ford, our truly ex graft travel agency. Yes. And OHS and they were handling it then. I I can't remember where I bought my ticket. You would have bought it in that 48 either at Barnes and Young on the corner, yes and the post office chambers there, the corner of Prince and Victoria on that South eastern corner or. It was as long as that one of the we'll have a story on that. In these reflections on the Clarence, we'll find somebody who was like Barry Ford, our truly ex graft travel agency. Yes. And OHS and they were handling it then. I I can't remember where I bought my ticket. You would have bought it in that 48 either at Barnes and Young on the corner, yes and the post office chambers there, the corner of Prince and Victoria on that South eastern corner or.
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At the Grafton travel agency, which they opened shortly after that at 35 Prince St. where and their brothers in law know there's a hairdresser there next to the National Bank. Yes. Yes. That was their next office. Yes. Hmm. I I was working there in 1950 for that for for them there in the out of 35 Prince St. Yep. You spoke about Barnes and young. Yes. Cedar table. At the Grafton travel agency, which they opened shortly after that at 35 Prince St. where and their brothers in law know there's a hairdresser there next to the National Bank. Yes. Yes. That was their next office. Yes. Hmm. I I was working there in 1950 for that for for them there in the out of 35 Prince St. Yep. You spoke about Barnes and young. Yes. Cedar table.
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There behind us. Yes. Made by Mr. Trent Ohh, yes, yes. I'm a piece of cedar that was about 12 feet long. And what would that be? About 3 inches thick. Yep. And that was made out of that piece that I was able to get when that place was built. It was. There behind us. Yes. Made by Mr. Trent Ohh, yes, yes. I'm a piece of cedar that was about 12 feet long. And what would that be? About 3 inches thick. Yep. And that was made out of that piece that I was able to get when that place was built. It was.
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Demolished at Post Office Chambers. Yes to build the. Demolished at Post Office Chambers. Yes to build the.
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What is now. Yes, the libraries. There now are you. Ohh OK And this table you were telling me about. Tell me the story of this table again. We're sitting at my grandfather Wonderlich made it up for their home and it would probably be about 130 years old. It's a beautiful lovely seed. Seed to table. See the table. Yeah. Mr. I think I did mention that there's not a nail in it. It's all been just that child in ohh it's marvelous piece of furniture. Absolutely beautiful. And then of course the farqua. What is now. Yes, the libraries. There now are you. Ohh OK And this table you were telling me about. Tell me the story of this table again. We're sitting at my grandfather Wonderlich made it up for their home and it would probably be about 130 years old. It's a beautiful lovely seed. Seed to table. See the table. Yeah. Mr. I think I did mention that there's not a nail in it. It's all been just that child in ohh it's marvelous piece of furniture. Absolutely beautiful. And then of course the farqua.
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He also John David Farquer. He made pieces of furniture too. We used to have a lovely cedar couch which he made and a member of my one of my nieces has it now and a lovely fold up. A very dainty. He also John David Farquer. He made pieces of furniture too. We used to have a lovely cedar couch which he made and a member of my one of my nieces has it now and a lovely fold up. A very dainty.
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Fold up rocking chair. Fold up rocking chair.
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Follow that, Rocky. Yes, it was. It was really just for a woman the size of it. And and it was, it was a dainty piece of furniture. And I've given that away to one of my nieces as well. OK. Umm. And so you're gonna have to make up your mind what to do with this table, Zeta. And another niece has a beautiful disk that my grandfather wondered which made. And it's a cedar one with. Follow that, Rocky. Yes, it was. It was really just for a woman the size of it. And and it was, it was a dainty piece of furniture. And I've given that away to one of my nieces as well. OK. Umm. And so you're gonna have to make up your mind what to do with this table, Zeta. And another niece has a beautiful disk that my grandfather wondered which made. And it's a cedar one with.
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A a top on it with lots of pigeonholes and ohh yes yes yes another nice like the Cutler disc cause as they call that is ohh and he was was. He snapped a chance Charles wonderly. A a top on it with lots of pigeonholes and ohh yes yes yes another nice like the Cutler disc cause as they call that is ohh and he was was. He snapped a chance Charles wonderly.
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From 1/18/50, yes, that's the blood from north of July 1850 and not come back. Where's Offenbach in Germany? By the way, it's not not very fast. From 1/18/50, yes, that's the blood from north of July 1850 and not come back. Where's Offenbach in Germany? By the way, it's not not very fast.
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Speak about John Wunderlich who came to Australia from Offenbach and he was a cabinet maker and he apparently enjoyed singing. And he is your good night, Great grandpa, great grandfather, yes, and apparently when the German club was established here. Speak about John Wunderlich who came to Australia from Offenbach and he was a cabinet maker and he apparently enjoyed singing. And he is your good night, Great grandpa, great grandfather, yes, and apparently when the German club was established here.
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He took quite a prominent party. Note that in my grandparents, Charles Wonderlich, his son in their bedroom was a framed. He took quite a prominent party. Note that in my grandparents, Charles Wonderlich, his son in their bedroom was a framed.
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Picture of well, a framed certificate that was about 18 inches long if I remember correctly by about 12 inches. Beautifully, very all night certificate. And it had. It was written in German and it had the word deplume meaning diploma, and apparently this was sent out to him when the polycythemia. Picture of well, a framed certificate that was about 18 inches long if I remember correctly by about 12 inches. Beautifully, very all night certificate. And it had. It was written in German and it had the word deplume meaning diploma, and apparently this was sent out to him when the polycythemia.
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Society and we're we're celebrating their 25th anniversary Ohh and he became a non remember apparently of that singing. Right. He's in Australia and the organisations in Germany. That's right. He's still in Offenbach. Yeah yeah so that was that solved the mystery that had lived with me for a very long time because my nephew and his wife from Coffs Harbour who have been doing family trees, were able to find that. Society and we're we're celebrating their 25th anniversary Ohh and he became a non remember apparently of that singing. Right. He's in Australia and the organisations in Germany. That's right. He's still in Offenbach. Yeah yeah so that was that solved the mystery that had lived with me for a very long time because my nephew and his wife from Coffs Harbour who have been doing family trees, were able to find that.
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Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. Wasn't that and that's something you were you were wondering all those years what it was what truly what were the story was behind it. Yeah. That was exciting time for me. And then of course there's some George and my grandfather, they were both carpenters and George is noted for having built the the post office at South Grafton. OK, George Wunderlich right now. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. Wasn't that and that's something you were you were wondering all those years what it was what truly what were the story was behind it. Yeah. That was exciting time for me. And then of course there's some George and my grandfather, they were both carpenters and George is noted for having built the the post office at South Grafton. OK, George Wunderlich right now.
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And done bacon. Done. Ohh yeah. Take opposite the gas works. Yes. Dunvegan. That it was built for the Hockeys Was it originally? I'm not sure. Yeah. I think it was one of the Hockeys. Yes. Yes. That's a lovely building even now. Isn't it beautiful. Yeah. Just been well kept down. Pound St. Yes. And mother did tell me of several homes that my grandfather, her father had built, but I can only remember one. And I guess that was because I used to when we lived on the farm. And done bacon. Done. Ohh yeah. Take opposite the gas works. Yes. Dunvegan. That it was built for the Hockeys Was it originally? I'm not sure. Yeah. I think it was one of the Hockeys. Yes. Yes. That's a lovely building even now. Isn't it beautiful. Yeah. Just been well kept down. Pound St. Yes. And mother did tell me of several homes that my grandfather, her father had built, but I can only remember one. And I guess that was because I used to when we lived on the farm.
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Crown St. I would pass it everyday. And that was on the Knoll. That is Invidious St. between Davie St. and Powell St. Yes. Up on the left hand side, Yes. On the western side we should say yes, yes, yes. And they're still here today. There's two or three. Crown St. I would pass it everyday. And that was on the Knoll. That is Invidious St. between Davie St. and Powell St. Yes. Up on the left hand side, Yes. On the western side we should say yes, yes, yes. And they're still here today. There's two or three.
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Similar there in those houses. And as a boy, my understanding of those was that they were built either for or by the German immigrants, probably. So will will the Federation type home? Yes, the one that my mother pointed out to safely out of flood. Truly, if it's a lovely position, yeah, isn't it? And he also is he the one you were telling me that built the staircase at? Yes, at Runnymeade, At running. Similar there in those houses. And as a boy, my understanding of those was that they were built either for or by the German immigrants, probably. So will will the Federation type home? Yes, the one that my mother pointed out to safely out of flood. Truly, if it's a lovely position, yeah, isn't it? And he also is he the one you were telling me that built the staircase at? Yes, at Runnymeade, At running.
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They're they're running made itself. Well I don't know I've there's been no talk about OK but his mother the staircase. Yes. But mother used to tell us that he was asked to build an added room when doctor Henry and his wife had an addition to their family. Yes. But he had also built the and I think it subsider the staircase in renaming in Ramadi. I haven't been in there. They're they're running made itself. Well I don't know I've there's been no talk about OK but his mother the staircase. Yes. But mother used to tell us that he was asked to build an added room when doctor Henry and his wife had an addition to their family. Yes. But he had also built the and I think it subsider the staircase in renaming in Ramadi. I haven't been in there.
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All. I think all our children were born there, but I haven't been in there much since, not in its days of since it's been converted to flats. But yes, Doctor Henry was the original owner, wasn't truly, yes. All. I think all our children were born there, but I haven't been in there much since, not in its days of since it's been converted to flats. But yes, Doctor Henry was the original owner, wasn't truly, yes.
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And what a what an interesting family they are too. We must get on to the Henry sometime. Yes, But anyway, keep going. You've got some more news there. And what a what an interesting family they are too. We must get on to the Henry sometime. Yes, But anyway, keep going. You've got some more news there.
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I was going to say, too, that the one Leach and the Strauss family mayor intermarried. I was going to say, too, that the one Leach and the Strauss family mayor intermarried.
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Caroline, whom mother used to call Auntie Lena. Caroline, whom mother used to call Auntie Lena.
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And one of my father grandfather's sisters as she lived with her daughter Edith. And one of my father grandfather's sisters as she lived with her daughter Edith.
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On the corner of Victoria and Queen streets and the home is there still today a beautiful home. She lived with Edith in the latter part of her life, and Edith married Jack Hockey. On the corner of Victoria and Queen streets and the home is there still today a beautiful home. She lived with Edith in the latter part of her life, and Edith married Jack Hockey.
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Senior, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's the. Senior, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's the.
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South Western corner. Truly, yes. The subsequent OR eventually got into a NZ Bank hands for their manager. And then. That's right. Peter Whitty, who's the current owner, bought it from the bank when he retired. Yes, a lovely, lovely home. OK, so, so now Auntie Lena apparently was a very good cook. Mother remembers some of the cooking years and she spoke very lovingly of her. Always. Well, I had an understanding that. South Western corner. Truly, yes. The subsequent OR eventually got into a NZ Bank hands for their manager. And then. That's right. Peter Whitty, who's the current owner, bought it from the bank when he retired. Yes, a lovely, lovely home. OK, so, so now Auntie Lena apparently was a very good cook. Mother remembers some of the cooking years and she spoke very lovingly of her. Always. Well, I had an understanding that.
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That was a Strauss built home. Probably was because my grandmother. When I'm a a youngster growing up into real estate, my grandmother Wiley used to say Billy, the best advertisement that you can use when you're selling houses is to know if it's Strauss built. Truly if it's Strauss built, it's quality wonderful. Yes. She's just tell me that is so Yes. Caroline married Peter Strauss. Yes. Right. Good. That was a Strauss built home. Probably was because my grandmother. When I'm a a youngster growing up into real estate, my grandmother Wiley used to say Billy, the best advertisement that you can use when you're selling houses is to know if it's Strauss built. Truly if it's Strauss built, it's quality wonderful. Yes. She's just tell me that is so Yes. Caroline married Peter Strauss. Yes. Right. Good.
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And from there we get people like Enid Reed, who married McKinnon. Yes, he was manager, I think of the NZ. Thank you was. And from there we get people like Enid Reed, who married McKinnon. Yes, he was manager, I think of the NZ. Thank you was.
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But you can see him now, can't give his first name. But then it was his daughter, one of their daughters, who wrote this. All the history of the German immigrants wasn't suit, suit, suit. Sue Hatfield. Yeah. So she became yes, yes, yes. But you can see him now, can't give his first name. But then it was his daughter, one of their daughters, who wrote this. All the history of the German immigrants wasn't suit, suit, suit. Sue Hatfield. Yeah. So she became yes, yes, yes.
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And then? And then?
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Another one of the grandfathers sisters who was called in Johanna. Another one of the grandfathers sisters who was called in Johanna.
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Polycythemia. Ohh boy. Well, after this, Yes, yes, yes. It's interesting, isn't it? It's certificate. There is the the choir apparently that was back in in in the umm and she married a Layton. And so we have people like Hinkie Leighton. Yes, he and Ivan Leighton who was very renowned for music and Grafton. Yes, say yes. Umm, and and one of the Laytons. Polycythemia. Ohh boy. Well, after this, Yes, yes, yes. It's interesting, isn't it? It's certificate. There is the the choir apparently that was back in in in the umm and she married a Layton. And so we have people like Hinkie Leighton. Yes, he and Ivan Leighton who was very renowned for music and Grafton. Yes, say yes. Umm, and and one of the Laytons.
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I don't know where whether he inherited the South works, but he we have Harry Leighton out there at Clint Clarence Village at the moment and they lived there in our street and as a kid we called him Sophie as it's because his father and his grandfather were involved in the soap works. I don't know where whether he inherited the South works, but he we have Harry Leighton out there at Clint Clarence Village at the moment and they lived there in our street and as a kid we called him Sophie as it's because his father and his grandfather were involved in the soap works.
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And the guys, they are still called him so big, right? Yeah. Well, yes. Well, aunties, Auntie Annie, we called her very quiet, very gracious lady. And one of her sons was Norman Layton, who were for many, many years at Schaeffers Hardware Store. Yes, Yes, yes. Ohh, yes. And so many others worked there, didn't they? But now, and you've also got one ancestor. And the guys, they are still called him so big, right? Yeah. Well, yes. Well, aunties, Auntie Annie, we called her very quiet, very gracious lady. And one of her sons was Norman Layton, who were for many, many years at Schaeffers Hardware Store. Yes, Yes, yes. Ohh, yes. And so many others worked there, didn't they? But now, and you've also got one ancestor.
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Who built the stairs at Hugo Bar Castle? Yes, you've got to tell me about that. My father's grandfather, John David Farqua, and my father was called after him, John David. He was employed by the builders of the castle for a period of time. Who built the stairs at Hugo Bar Castle? Yes, you've got to tell me about that. My father's grandfather, John David Farqua, and my father was called after him, John David. He was employed by the builders of the castle for a period of time.
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He Well, actually I I took what George Farewell. Who wrote squatters Carrasco. Yes, he said about him that he was a. He Well, actually I I took what George Farewell. Who wrote squatters Carrasco. Yes, he said about him that he was a.
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He was employed to cut and position cedar panelling in the living rooms and corridors, and he built a seeded Syracuse, right, and one of Edward Ogilvie's granddaughters, Mr. Saban described it as having the grace and delicacy of a birds wing. That lovely I'd love to have seen. Yes, of course it I suppose it went when the the top story. He was employed to cut and position cedar panelling in the living rooms and corridors, and he built a seeded Syracuse, right, and one of Edward Ogilvie's granddaughters, Mr. Saban described it as having the grace and delicacy of a birds wing. That lovely I'd love to have seen. Yes, of course it I suppose it went when the the top story.
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This probably is here called the demolished ohh. I remember that Missus Savon. Yes, she was a bit of a character. This probably is here called the demolished ohh. I remember that Missus Savon. Yes, she was a bit of a character.
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But also, you know, all families have some tradition of something that comes down. And of course, the story went that he also had to build a secret room, a secret chamber, Secret room. Ogilvy. But also, you know, all families have some tradition of something that comes down. And of course, the story went that he also had to build a secret room, a secret chamber, Secret room. Ogilvy.
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Could be had built, Yes. And this John David Farquhar was asked to build it. Now this is just a story that went down the family. Good. I like this, yes. But you know, when the top story was taken off, it was never found. Could be had built, Yes. And this John David Farquhar was asked to build it. Now this is just a story that went down the family. Good. I like this, yes. But you know, when the top story was taken off, it was never found.
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That's what secret places are never found. I don't know. But of course that's how A little. That's a mystery again. Ohh, I'd love. That's gone down through. Yes, exactly. Well wonder what he did it for. What he wanted there. Did he have a secret lady or did he have a subtreasury or what will you do? Strange, isn't it? Really. Ohh, yeah, that's a good story. So we don't. But that's not even squatters, Castle. No, that's only a family story. Family story? Yes. That's what secret places are never found. I don't know. But of course that's how A little. That's a mystery again. Ohh, I'd love. That's gone down through. Yes, exactly. Well wonder what he did it for. What he wanted there. Did he have a secret lady or did he have a subtreasury or what will you do? Strange, isn't it? Really. Ohh, yeah, that's a good story. So we don't. But that's not even squatters, Castle. No, that's only a family story. Family story? Yes.
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Yes, through the generations, yes. Hmm. Yes, through the generations, yes. Hmm.
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So it's quite a family Zeta, and it's so. So it's quite a family Zeta, and it's so.
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Wonderful of you to share this family that that goes down in our in in our history because they were so much part of graft truly yes and play for the privilege and played a big part in in in Grafton story. We take things for granted so much. Don't we really forget the people that have toiled and worked so hard over the years to provide all the comforts that we can that we have now and they did it. Wonderful of you to share this family that that goes down in our in in our history because they were so much part of graft truly yes and play for the privilege and played a big part in in in Grafton story. We take things for granted so much. Don't we really forget the people that have toiled and worked so hard over the years to provide all the comforts that we can that we have now and they did it.
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Taft and name that they they chiselled a life to use a carpentry turn. They chiseled the life out of their new surroundings, and must have been so different from Germany. Taft and name that they they chiselled a life to use a carpentry turn. They chiseled the life out of their new surroundings, and must have been so different from Germany.
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Yes, they were I guess well established there and whatever they were doing and they had to uproot themselves and and start a new life. Apparently from it was an unsettled time in Germany as far as the Germany itself was concerned. Seemed to be from history. Yes, yes. OK. So is there you got any more family stories there this year? Not like that one, I don't think. Yes, they were I guess well established there and whatever they were doing and they had to uproot themselves and and start a new life. Apparently from it was an unsettled time in Germany as far as the Germany itself was concerned. Seemed to be from history. Yes, yes. OK. So is there you got any more family stories there this year? Not like that one, I don't think.
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You've made some notes there. Have we missed anything? Ohh, I was going to say on that my father on the list that you gave me for the free right, talk about it was about our first car that type of. Yes, yes, yes. My father bought our first car with a green Buick. I remember years of Buick in 1955, I think. And then I'm sorry, 1937. You've made some notes there. Have we missed anything? Ohh, I was going to say on that my father on the list that you gave me for the free right, talk about it was about our first car that type of. Yes, yes, yes. My father bought our first car with a green Buick. I remember years of Buick in 1955, I think. And then I'm sorry, 1937.
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And for those before World War 2, Ryan, here's his 55 years of age. And for those before World War 2, Ryan, here's his 55 years of age.
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And he had never driven a car before, Ohh through his Diaries, although he never called them Diaries, he called them day books, and he would write each day what had happened. Insofar perhaps this the farm was concerned because. And he had never driven a car before, Ohh through his Diaries, although he never called them Diaries, he called them day books, and he would write each day what had happened. Insofar perhaps this the farm was concerned because.
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And you know, with, with when corn became due to be picked. Yeah. And you would employ extra people. So he kept a record of all of those things, of how much. And he was very methodical, very much so. So he had written in the diary that 55 years of age he went to learn to drive the car. 55 and the permit cost 5 shillings. Boy, 1937. And you know, with, with when corn became due to be picked. Yeah. And you would employ extra people. So he kept a record of all of those things, of how much. And he was very methodical, very much so. So he had written in the diary that 55 years of age he went to learn to drive the car. 55 and the permit cost 5 shillings. Boy, 1937.
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And not very long afterwards, So I thought he must have picked it up very quickly because he got his licence. Umm, and that cost 10 shillings. He was 10. And not very long afterwards, So I thought he must have picked it up very quickly because he got his licence. Umm, and that cost 10 shillings. He was 10.
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But then later on, they bought a A Terraplane. Hudson. Terraplane Hudson. Terraplane. Years Rogers. But then later on, they bought a A Terraplane. Hudson. Terraplane Hudson. Terraplane. Years Rogers.
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Heavy ohh yes I was big as the Buick. Now Buick was a mighty car those pre war ones. Of course we only had American cars or an English cars but we didn't have any Australian and Japanese. Now ohh well the first car and from his notes he said that we received our food or we bought our first Wallace in 1934 and the licence cost £1.00 four shillings. Heavy ohh yes I was big as the Buick. Now Buick was a mighty car those pre war ones. Of course we only had American cars or an English cars but we didn't have any Australian and Japanese. Now ohh well the first car and from his notes he said that we received our food or we bought our first Wallace in 1934 and the licence cost £1.00 four shillings.
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As date, wasn't it? Yes it was Really. Yes, because I suppose a shop assistants wages or a clerk in the bank, it's something that probably aren't, only earning about £5 a week. There's a lot of money, wasn't it? There's a luxury wasn't. Yes it was, and the telephone was first listed in 1927. As date, wasn't it? Yes it was Really. Yes, because I suppose a shop assistants wages or a clerk in the bank, it's something that probably aren't, only earning about £5 a week. There's a lot of money, wasn't it? There's a luxury wasn't. Yes it was, and the telephone was first listed in 1927.
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Yes. You know the one on the wall. Ohh, yes, yes. And and the the telephone number and it was 414 way back there and it's still the last three digits in it. My telephone number still 14. It's never, those last three digits have never altered. Stated that families. Hmm, 414. Ohh. Yeah. Well, we should lock that in as they say and the television lock it in. Yes. You know the one on the wall. Ohh, yes, yes. And and the the telephone number and it was 414 way back there and it's still the last three digits in it. My telephone number still 14. It's never, those last three digits have never altered. Stated that families. Hmm, 414. Ohh. Yeah. Well, we should lock that in as they say and the television lock it in.
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414. 414.
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To have telephones and wirelesses and refrigerators. You remember that? Yes, it did. I can't remember the year. To have telephones and wirelesses and refrigerators. You remember that? Yes, it did. I can't remember the year.
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That it came, and I wish I could remember the brand. That it came, and I wish I could remember the brand.
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But I remember the old. But I remember the old.
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I Spice box, yeah. Because when my father went to the dairy company to take the cream, he would bring back the ice block of ice is in the top part of the ear of the ice chest. Yes, yes, yes. But we did have yes, eventually. I Spice box, yeah. Because when my father went to the dairy company to take the cream, he would bring back the ice block of ice is in the top part of the ear of the ice chest. Yes, yes, yes. But we did have yes, eventually.
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We had the refrigerator. Yeah, it the dairy company must have been such a busy place in those days with the milk coming in, the butter going out and the fishing factory next door and the bacon factory and that a butcher shop. And then later they had the they they bought the milk runs and it must have been such was interesting because you know that cream, we had to take the cream to the dairy. It's dairy company. We had the refrigerator. Yeah, it the dairy company must have been such a busy place in those days with the milk coming in, the butter going out and the fishing factory next door and the bacon factory and that a butcher shop. And then later they had the they they bought the milk runs and it must have been such was interesting because you know that cream, we had to take the cream to the dairy. It's dairy company.
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And be interesting to go holiday time. Yes, yes, yes it is. See what happened there and have a little peek in some of the rooms. Yes. And and and the the boxes of butter, I can remember that they held 56 pounds I think a box of butter which was half 100 right at and beautiful boxes they had like industry. So remember that craft and dairy company stamp on the side? Yeah. And be interesting to go holiday time. Yes, yes, yes it is. See what happened there and have a little peek in some of the rooms. Yes. And and and the the boxes of butter, I can remember that they held 56 pounds I think a box of butter which was half 100 right at and beautiful boxes they had like industry. So remember that craft and dairy company stamp on the side? Yeah.
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My father had a having grown up on a dairy farm and and had a dairy farm in his earliest married days. My father had a having grown up on a dairy farm and and had a dairy farm in his earliest married days.
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He had a problem with the price of butter that the farmer got. He had a problem with the price of butter that the farmer got.
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He claimed that, you know, we were selling it back to England at at about half the price that it cost us to produce it and that it was sort of somehow the the English. He being Irish, he loses. It wasn't very pro English, but he had this thought in the back of his mind that the the money to finance the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the and the railway to the north. He claimed that, you know, we were selling it back to England at at about half the price that it cost us to produce it and that it was sort of somehow the the English. He being Irish, he loses. It wasn't very pro English, but he had this thought in the back of his mind that the the money to finance the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the and the railway to the north.
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First railway came from England and they were still charging us interest. And this butter was part of the entertainment, was part of the the economic deal that had been stitched up and that we had to supply England wouldn't matter. He wasn't very happy about that. Yeah. So he wasn't working for himself virtually or for Australia. Yeah. England, yes it was very good. Yes. Ohh dear. Well now and he got he born. First railway came from England and they were still charging us interest. And this butter was part of the entertainment, was part of the the economic deal that had been stitched up and that we had to supply England wouldn't matter. He wasn't very happy about that. Yeah. So he wasn't working for himself virtually or for Australia. Yeah. England, yes it was very good. Yes. Ohh dear. Well now and he got he born.
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Is there any family news left in the in the cupboard there or on your pad? I was going to say that Norman Layton used to, as a sideline, draw plans. Ohh yes. For houses and buildings. Yes, because I can recall when I looked through my father's papers, I did see his name at the bottom of something that might father was doing. I know that. Is there any family news left in the in the cupboard there or on your pad? I was going to say that Norman Layton used to, as a sideline, draw plans. Ohh yes. For houses and buildings. Yes, because I can recall when I looked through my father's papers, I did see his name at the bottom of something that might father was doing. I know that.
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Father bought We lived at 14 Crown St. on the farm there, but he did purchase 15 Crown St. which was opposite as well and it was a lovely home on that property belonged to Hugh Cameron whose was the grandfather of Joan Mcbay. Father bought We lived at 14 Crown St. on the farm there, but he did purchase 15 Crown St. which was opposite as well and it was a lovely home on that property belonged to Hugh Cameron whose was the grandfather of Joan Mcbay.
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And umm. And umm.
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And of course in those early days there was never a bathroom or laundry, no. So I can remember that when my father purchased it, he he he did the building and he had help himself of and I'm sure it might have been that. And of course in those early days there was never a bathroom or laundry, no. So I can remember that when my father purchased it, he he he did the building and he had help himself of and I'm sure it might have been that.
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Said Mr. Like like the player had to have the plans. Alright ohh you got you. You would have so many relations around. Grafton said are cousins and in second and third cousins, 4th cousins. I remember one lady made us McLean not on that. Ohh yes he was a relative on the far right side alright. She used to say you have to be very careful. Said Mr. Like like the player had to have the plans. Alright ohh you got you. You would have so many relations around. Grafton said are cousins and in second and third cousins, 4th cousins. I remember one lady made us McLean not on that. Ohh yes he was a relative on the far right side alright. She used to say you have to be very careful.
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