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This is Nola Mackey interviewing Mrs Nita Child at her home, 359 Lawrence Road, This is Nola Mackey interviewing Mrs Nita Child at her home, 359 Lawrence Road,
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Grafton.      Alumy Creek.      Alumy Creek, yes. Nita, I want to talk to you about not only your early life, but some of the stories that your grandparents and parents have told you over the time so we can record them for Grafton's history. Grafton.      Alumy Creek.      Alumy Creek, yes. Nita, I want to talk to you about not only your early life, but some of the stories that your grandparents and parents have told you over the time so we can record them for Grafton's history.
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Would you just tell us first of all, um, where you were born? Would you just tell us first of all, um, where you were born?
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I was born in Grafton at Runnymede, I was born in Grafton at Runnymede,
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and have lived in Grafton and have lived in Grafton
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practically practically
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all my life. I went away for a couple of years with work, but otherwise lived here. all my life. I went away for a couple of years with work, but otherwise lived here.
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And you were the youngest in the family?      The youngest of six in the family.         And where were your family before they actually came into Grafton?       Um, before then Mum ran the wine shop at Jackadgery, Mum and Dad. And you were the youngest in the family?      The youngest of six in the family.         And where were your family before they actually came into Grafton?       Um, before then Mum ran the wine shop at Jackadgery, Mum and Dad.
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Er, Dad worked on the roads, and Mum ran the wine shop at Jackadgery, which was next door to the Post Office, and Uncle Jacob Lollback ran the Post Office, at Jackadgery. Er, Dad worked on the roads, and Mum ran the wine shop at Jackadgery, which was next door to the Post Office, and Uncle Jacob Lollback ran the Post Office, at Jackadgery.
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Nothing left of the wine shop. Nothing left of the wine shop.
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So you know, you are aware of where it was though?     Yes, have photos of it. And with the wine shop, many stories that mom used to tell me of those days, So you know, you are aware of where it was though?     Yes, have photos of it. And with the wine shop, many stories that mom used to tell me of those days,
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and, er, and, er,
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still have the table that was in that wine shop and the top used to come off every now and then whenever you'd move it. And Mum said that was because they used to fight underneath the table and the table would come up. [chuckling] still have the table that was in that wine shop and the top used to come off every now and then whenever you'd move it. And Mum said that was because they used to fight underneath the table and the table would come up. [chuckling]
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?And, erm?  Dad ?And, erm?  Dad
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was on the counter and was on the counter and
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different ones that mom would tell me that when there were kids and you know, coming through with their parents and get the boiled lollies. different ones that mom would tell me that when there were kids and you know, coming through with their parents and get the boiled lollies.
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And it was just, it was a home, but beyond the verandah there was er, where the kids slept and when they walked in, and mum would feed and And it was just, it was a home, but beyond the verandah there was er, where the kids slept and when they walked in, and mum would feed and
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people travelling would call there and there'd be a bed, and stop and feed them and people travelling would call there and there'd be a bed, and stop and feed them and
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given their drinks and given their drinks and
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put 'em to bed sometimes. [chuckling] put 'em to bed sometimes. [chuckling]
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Uhm...        Did she actually have a licence?         Yes, that licence then went to erm, Uhm...        Did she actually have a licence?         Yes, that licence then went to erm,
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Keynes's Corner, Keynes's Corner,
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when the wine shop closed. Erm, Bob Keynes, at Keynes's Corner. when the wine shop closed. Erm, Bob Keynes, at Keynes's Corner.
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And he served spirits. It was spirits, red wine, And he served spirits. It was spirits, red wine,
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it was all spirits, no beer in those days. it was all spirits, no beer in those days.
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But that was the, the But that was the, the
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actually, the sort of the lounge room was the the wine shop.       So do you have any idea when, when actually, the sort of the lounge room was the the wine shop.       So do you have any idea when, when
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it was closed? it was closed?
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Nita: '30... Nita: '30...
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2. 2.
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32- 32-
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34.           Depression times. 34.           Depression times.
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Yeah, I think it was then, and then they come to town, not long after that. Yeah, I think it was then, and then they come to town, not long after that.
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And then they lived in Pound Street, near the viaduct. And then they lived in Pound Street, near the viaduct.
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They rented that place. They rented that place.
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Uhm, Uhm,
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Nineteen and sixpence, I think it was. Nineteen and sixpence, I think it was.
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And then they moved to Pound Street, just up from the Village Green. Hansford shop was next door, And then they moved to Pound Street, just up from the Village Green. Hansford shop was next door,
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and then, Ken Casson bought that and pulled that down and built a yard and then and then, Ken Casson bought that and pulled that down and built a yard and then
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erm, pulled home down and that's Ken Casson's car yard, and Dad worked on the railway then, and he used to go and camp at Banyabba. He was the, the fettler, erm, pulled home down and that's Ken Casson's car yard, and Dad worked on the railway then, and he used to go and camp at Banyabba. He was the, the fettler,
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and he lived in a mill house out there and come home at weekends. and he lived in a mill house out there and come home at weekends.
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Then I bought the house in Pound St, so I've lived in Pound Street Then I bought the house in Pound St, so I've lived in Pound Street
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all my life until 1989, when I got married. all my life until 1989, when I got married.
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So if we go back to the So if we go back to the
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place, Jackadgery, because your place, Jackadgery, because your
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grandparents' families were out there for a long time.     Yep.       And if we can talk a little bit about grandparents' families were out there for a long time.     Yep.       And if we can talk a little bit about
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that branch of the Lollback family?        Well, the two Lollbacks came out from Germany. Two brothers married two sisters, that branch of the Lollback family?        Well, the two Lollbacks came out from Germany. Two brothers married two sisters,
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they came out from Germany. they came out from Germany.
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Five months at sea on the Helene, Helena or Helen or whatever you want to call it, you know. Five months at sea on the Helene, Helena or Helen or whatever you want to call it, you know.
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Ahm, they were to work for Kushner, and then there was a deal made and they came Ahm, they were to work for Kushner, and then there was a deal made and they came
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up to work for Ogilvie. My grandfather was only ten year old, up to work for Ogilvie. My grandfather was only ten year old,
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and he had to, when he got off the horse, he was only a very short man, short boy, and he had to, when he got off the horse, he was only a very short man, short boy,
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and if he got off the horse, he'd have to find a post or something 'cause he couldn't get back up. He couldn't reach the stirrups, and he would be in that saddle all day.         Looking after sheep.        Sheep, yep. But they were buying dresses and that, erm, and they lived there. The women worked there and their passage was £13.10 shillings was their passage, so they had to pay for that, and if he got off the horse, he'd have to find a post or something 'cause he couldn't get back up. He couldn't reach the stirrups, and he would be in that saddle all day.         Looking after sheep.        Sheep, yep. But they were buying dresses and that, erm, and they lived there. The women worked there and their passage was £13.10 shillings was their passage, so they had to pay for that,
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so it was two years. so it was two years.
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And my great grandfather John. He then went and lived um, And my great grandfather John. He then went and lived um,
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where the roundabout is in Victoria Street, um, the light shop. where the roundabout is in Victoria Street, um, the light shop.
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He lived  there, had an orchard, and in er, 1890 the big flood, He lived  there, had an orchard, and in er, 1890 the big flood,
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wiped him out so many times, so then he went to Ramornie and he worked at Ramornie at the meatworks, and then he went to Jackadgery and selected Jackadgery, wiped him out so many times, so then he went to Ramornie and he worked at Ramornie at the meatworks, and then he went to Jackadgery and selected Jackadgery,
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which was 18- which was 18-
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-6 I think. -6 I think.
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And... And...
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then had their family and er, Uncle Jacob had the then had their family and er, Uncle Jacob had the
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the post office. the post office.
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Mum had the wine shop. Sam Cross actually owned the land Mum had the wine shop. Sam Cross actually owned the land
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and and
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he was from Glen Innes he was from Glen Innes
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and it was just like a, an ordinary house, and it was just like a, an ordinary house,
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and and
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they found out that the house was, wasn't built on its right place. It was over on some of Uncle Jacob's land, they found out that the house was, wasn't built on its right place. It was over on some of Uncle Jacob's land,
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so they then decided that they would move it, and Dad had horses and horse teams so so they then decided that they would move it, and Dad had horses and horse teams so
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they moved the wine shop. they moved the wine shop.
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They put the post They put the post
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er, er,
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the piers and they the piers and they
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pulled it across pulled it across
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with er, Granny in it. She wouldn't, refused to get out of the house and they pulled it across and everyone in Jackadgery came to see this feat of Dad, pullin' this building across with the horse team. with er, Granny in it. She wouldn't, refused to get out of the house and they pulled it across and everyone in Jackadgery came to see this feat of Dad, pullin' this building across with the horse team.
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And er, And er,
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then um, Uncle Charlie and Uncle Len, then um, Uncle Charlie and Uncle Len,
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they opened the er, service station at Jackadgery, and then the caravan park, they opened the er, service station at Jackadgery, and then the caravan park,
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and the wa-, er, the hall at Jackadgery in 1920. My grandfather Tom, and the wa-, er, the hall at Jackadgery in 1920. My grandfather Tom,
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he pulled it down. It was the billiard room at Ramornie meatworks. He pulled it down he pulled it down. It was the billiard room at Ramornie meatworks. He pulled it down
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and his best mate was Barney Hankinson, and his best mate was Barney Hankinson,
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and they bought it up on the bullock team and that's the hall. It still stands at Jackadgery today. and they bought it up on the bullock team and that's the hall. It still stands at Jackadgery today.
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Been added on to and Been added on to and
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many times. many times.
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The caravan park out Jackadgery is actually on the home of the old homestead site.       No, the homestead was actually call Mossgrove, The caravan park out Jackadgery is actually on the home of the old homestead site.       No, the homestead was actually call Mossgrove,
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and that's across the creek. You had to go in and that's across the creek. You had to go in
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around the cutting, where, where, where you cross  Inglebar Bridge, up past the Post Office and then you followed, and then you went in, past Austen's and you followed- and then you went over the crossing over,  terrible road. How they ever travelled it, I don't know.           Did they actually come in from Copmanhurst side rather than-        No.        They come in from Ramornie side.         Yep. around the cutting, where, where, where you cross  Inglebar Bridge, up past the Post Office and then you followed, and then you went in, past Austen's and you followed- and then you went over the crossing over,  terrible road. How they ever travelled it, I don't know.           Did they actually come in from Copmanhurst side rather than-        No.        They come in from Ramornie side.         Yep.
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Me grandfather had, erm, he used to bring supplies from Copmanhurst, cross the rivers that way. He used to cart furniture and all supplies and bring them in that way. Me grandfather had, erm, he used to bring supplies from Copmanhurst, cross the rivers that way. He used to cart furniture and all supplies and bring them in that way.
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But the homestead, the old homestead is But the homestead, the old homestead is
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where the Gwydir Highway is, and you look across, where the river, the bend there is Kangi Creek comes into it, and that's where Mossgrove is, was, where the Gwydir Highway is, and you look across, where the river, the bend there is Kangi Creek comes into it, and that's where Mossgrove is, was,
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And some of the family are buried out there too aren't they?        The cemetery, yes. The private cemetery is still on their old, great grandfather's property. And some of the family are buried out there too aren't they?        The cemetery, yes. The private cemetery is still on their old, great grandfather's property.
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The headstone, him and her are buried there, The headstone, him and her are buried there,
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Ahm, Ahm,
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Mum's sister, Molly, her son was killed in an accident. His ashes are there, Mum's sister, Molly, her son was killed in an accident. His ashes are there,
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um, Mum's sister Molly now is-, her ashes and her husband. So there's five of them. And there's a plaque and it's fenced off and everything, yeah. um, Mum's sister Molly now is-, her ashes and her husband. So there's five of them. And there's a plaque and it's fenced off and everything, yeah.
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There's actually There's actually
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nothing left off the homestead, um, nothing left off the homestead, um,
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or any of it. or any of it.
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There used to be a timber mill just there as you, er, There used to be a timber mill just there as you, er,
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before you came onto the bridge and they moved it all. before you came onto the bridge and they moved it all.
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The timbermill, yeah. The timbermill, yeah.
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That w-, that's before. The timber mill was here, and then there was May's, and then you come round, and then you cross Inglebar and then up the cutting. Then there was the Post Office, and then the wine shop was next door to that. Yep.         So, was any of the family er, into the timber? That w-, that's before. The timber mill was here, and then there was May's, and then you come round, and then you cross Inglebar and then up the cutting. Then there was the Post Office, and then the wine shop was next door to that. Yep.         So, was any of the family er, into the timber?
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Did they Did they
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have teams to bring the, the logs to the timber or anything?         No, not, not our, not my grandfather. No, they had pigs and have teams to bring the, the logs to the timber or anything?         No, not, not our, not my grandfather. No, they had pigs and
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uhm uhm
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pigs and cattle. pigs and cattle.
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but not timber, they weren't sort of timber people. My dad was. but not timber, they weren't sort of timber people. My dad was.
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B-, but how did they- was it a dairy farm with the cattle? Or was it?       They had B-, but how did they- was it a dairy farm with the cattle? Or was it?       They had
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On Moss Road there was er, the dairy, yeah, but erm, they had a lot of bullocks and On Moss Road there was er, the dairy, yeah, but erm, they had a lot of bullocks and
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a lot of cattle. It was all cattle people. a lot of cattle. It was all cattle people.
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More for beef, rather than, More for beef, rather than,
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because there's a lot of those er, people with the cattle, it was for dairy farms not...      Yeah, yeah.         .....for the beef.      No, but they were more beef, yeah. because there's a lot of those er, people with the cattle, it was for dairy farms not...      Yeah, yeah.         .....for the beef.      No, but they were more beef, yeah.
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So did they supply the meatworks at Ramornie?      I'm not sure on that. So did they supply the meatworks at Ramornie?      I'm not sure on that.
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Not sure of any other specifics in Not sure of any other specifics in
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Yeah, not sure on that, but they used to sell cattle, Yeah, not sure on that, but they used to sell cattle,
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um, in my time. um, in my time.
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I can remember when Grandfather was great friends with Leo Fitzgerald. I can remember when Grandfather was great friends with Leo Fitzgerald.
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Uh, we always knew when it was sale day because they'd come in and they usually stop with us, Uh, we always knew when it was sale day because they'd come in and they usually stop with us,
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and er, Grandfather and Leo Fitzgerald would rest at the bar and get on the rum, and Grandfather would get into awful trouble when, when he would come home. [chuckling] and er, Grandfather and Leo Fitzgerald would rest at the bar and get on the rum, and Grandfather would get into awful trouble when, when he would come home. [chuckling]
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Him and Leo Fitzgerald, and Leo Fitzgerald was a man that was, you know, very prominent man in this town also, with cattle, people and everything. Him and Leo Fitzgerald, and Leo Fitzgerald was a man that was, you know, very prominent man in this town also, with cattle, people and everything.
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Erm... Erm...
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 So when your family moved in, your father went on the railway...           Yep, yep.      .. and, but his people weren't from Jackadgery were they?                  No, they were at Clouds Creek, erm, that area, Blaxlands Creek, and that area.  So when your family moved in, your father went on the railway...           Yep, yep.      .. and, but his people weren't from Jackadgery were they?                  No, they were at Clouds Creek, erm, that area, Blaxlands Creek, and that area.
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They weren't into cattle. They were into- They weren't into cattle. They were into-
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Great gran-, great grandfather Murray. He lived Great gran-, great grandfather Murray. He lived
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at at
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out near Coutts's, Clearview, out that way. out near Coutts's, Clearview, out that way.
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Uhm Uhm
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they were cattle people, bullock teams, tim-, they were timber men. Bullock teams and all that sort of thing they had, they were cattle people, bullock teams, tim-, they were timber men. Bullock teams and all that sort of thing they had,
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uhm, uhm,
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Tea Tree Creek was where they had, where they had property and lived.  Yep.           And where did, what did he do with the, where did he take the, the teams? Tea Tree Creek was where they had, where they had property and lived.  Yep.           And where did, what did he do with the, where did he take the, the teams?
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They used to bring logs and everything from Clouds Creek, down to mills around here. They used to bring logs and everything from Clouds Creek, down to mills around here.
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There was a mill There was a mill
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in Armidale Street, near where the pool in Armidale Street, near where the pool
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was. They used to bring a lot of timber down to there, with the bullock teams.          So that's more than one day's journey.        Oh yeah, yes, in those days it would have been. was. They used to bring a lot of timber down to there, with the bullock teams.          So that's more than one day's journey.        Oh yeah, yes, in those days it would have been.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But I never knew my great grandfather. But I never knew my great grandfather.
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They moved, and the rest of Dad's family all moved to Queensland, erm, Innisfail, all that way. So, I never met Dad's brother until They moved, and the rest of Dad's family all moved to Queensland, erm, Innisfail, all that way. So, I never met Dad's brother until
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a few years before Dad died. I never, ever met any of that a few years before Dad died. I never, ever met any of that
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part of the family, you know. Dad was always the one that stayed here, and the rest all moved.         and he was the youngest? part of the family, you know. Dad was always the one that stayed here, and the rest all moved.         and he was the youngest?
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Ah no,  there was another... one... Ah no,  there was another... one...
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Yeah, no the younger one than Dad. There was Yeah, no the younger one than Dad. There was
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ten? Ten in that family. ten? Ten in that family.
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They moved all over. They were at uhm, They moved all over. They were at uhm,
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another one, and he was only, he was the youngest one to go to war. another one, and he was only, he was the youngest one to go to war.
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Hed-,er... Hedley. Hed-,er... Hedley.
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and he enlisted at and he enlisted at
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Woolgoolga Woolgoolga
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and another one enlisted in the war. and another one enlisted in the war.
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Three of them went to war, Three of them went to war,
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but Uncle Hedley was the, the youngest. He was-, he put his age up to go. but Uncle Hedley was the, the youngest. He was-, he put his age up to go.
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and he was only, wasn't quite sixt- and he was only, wasn't quite sixt-
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teen when he went. teen when he went.
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And then he moved off, but they were all timber people. And then he moved off, but they were all timber people.
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Yep, Yep,
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and big families. and big families.
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Then.          Did they actu-, were the other brothers actually involved with the timber too with Grandfather?         Yep, yep. Yeah with Grandfather Murray, yeah.      So they hadn't, probably had more than one team?         Yep, yep. Well, dad's team Then.          Did they actu-, were the other brothers actually involved with the timber too with Grandfather?         Yep, yep. Yeah with Grandfather Murray, yeah.      So they hadn't, probably had more than one team?         Yep, yep. Well, dad's team
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twenty six bullocks in that team. twenty six bullocks in that team.
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Uhm, Uhm,
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and that made and that made
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that was in 1927 that I have a photo of, that he was bringing it into South Grafton and that comes from Clouds Creek. It was Hoop Pine. that was in 1927 that I have a photo of, that he was bringing it into South Grafton and that comes from Clouds Creek. It was Hoop Pine.
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Uhm, Uhm,
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They'd be more involved in with the pine, rather-, there be no cedar probably by that time. They'd be more involved in with the pine, rather-, there be no cedar probably by that time.
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No, it was all hoop pine mainly. Yeah.     Well they used a whole lot of hoop pine  making cases at Ramornie, and butter cases and things like that. No, it was all hoop pine mainly. Yeah.     Well they used a whole lot of hoop pine  making cases at Ramornie, and butter cases and things like that.
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I've got somewhere of Dad and it was a walnut tree. A big butt of a walnut and er, I've got somewhere of Dad and it was a walnut tree. A big butt of a walnut and er,
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I don't, I don't know the story, where it went, but I only got the photo of it, you know. It was a great massive I don't, I don't know the story, where it went, but I only got the photo of it, you know. It was a great massive
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butt, you know? butt, you know?
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Unfortunately, Unfortunately,
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Well, I haven't got a lot of the photos, because being the youngest, everybody else scored everything. Well, I haven't got a lot of the photos, because being the youngest, everybody else scored everything.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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(Unknown voice) I'm just wondering?  (Unknown voice) I'm just wondering? 
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?Let's? ?Let's?
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Nita, if we can go back to Upper Jackadgery, the old homestead there, you said it was made of timber, but it was even more basic than that, wasn't it?          Yeah, it was er, only bark, bark roof and logs to keep the bark on. Nita, if we can go back to Upper Jackadgery, the old homestead there, you said it was made of timber, but it was even more basic than that, wasn't it?          Yeah, it was er, only bark, bark roof and logs to keep the bark on.
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That was the old house, That was the old house,
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and that was where and that was where
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Jane and John, the great grandparents lived. Jane and John, the great grandparents lived.
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and they rared families. There were no curtains, and they rared families. There were no curtains,
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and, erm, dirt floor. and, erm, dirt floor.
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And then my grandfather's house, And then my grandfather's house,
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the traditional old houses, they were all the traditional old houses, they were all
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timber houses and er, kitchen was separate to the rest of the house, and the landing timber houses and er, kitchen was separate to the rest of the house, and the landing
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I can I can
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vaguely remember Grandad's house, vaguely remember Grandad's house,
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um, um,
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and yeah, the kitchen, big kitchen, and yeah, the kitchen, big kitchen,
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and the landing, and tank stands and er, the verandah on the back and most of them slept-, Uncle Bert used to always sleep on the back verandah. and the landing, and tank stands and er, the verandah on the back and most of them slept-, Uncle Bert used to always sleep on the back verandah.
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And um, when Grandfather, before Grandfather Lollback died, well he used to sleep on the back verandah of that place. And um, when Grandfather, before Grandfather Lollback died, well he used to sleep on the back verandah of that place.
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And Mossgrove now is owned by And Mossgrove now is owned by
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Mum's sister's children. So it is still, even though it's not in the name of Lollback, it is still in, in the family. Yeah. Phillip Dick owns it.        So that's a new house being built there now. Mum's sister's children. So it is still, even though it's not in the name of Lollback, it is still in, in the family. Yeah. Phillip Dick owns it.        So that's a new house being built there now.
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Yeah, they're across the river. There's nothing on where the old homestead was. Nothing there, only the cemetery, the graves. But Phillip and them live across the creek on Cangai Creek which-, and they, they Yeah, they're across the river. There's nothing on where the old homestead was. Nothing there, only the cemetery, the graves. But Phillip and them live across the creek on Cangai Creek which-, and they, they
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call their property Mossgrove, from the original grandparents. call their property Mossgrove, from the original grandparents.
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So the dirt floor, no windows, no glass?       No glass, no glass and, and no curtains, and sugar bags So the dirt floor, no windows, no glass?       No glass, no glass and, and no curtains, and sugar bags
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for curtains.        So it was an open fire,           Yes,           and old erm, upright bark...        Yeah          ...kind of -,             Yeah. for curtains.        So it was an open fire,           Yes,           and old erm, upright bark...        Yeah          ...kind of -,             Yeah.
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And the-           Old slab timber. And the-           Old slab timber.
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So the beds themselves were mattresses from corn cobs, grass, those kind of-           Yeah. Corn cob mattresses, So the beds themselves were mattresses from corn cobs, grass, those kind of-           Yeah. Corn cob mattresses,
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uhm, uhm,
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Very basic style of Very basic style of
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furniture.             Like furniture.             Like
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what I, what I can remember Mum told me was like camp stretchers, wooden, wooden made out of wood, and canvas was the base, and then your mattress was corn cobs.        And I believe probably the coverings for those what I, what I can remember Mum told me was like camp stretchers, wooden, wooden made out of wood, and canvas was the base, and then your mattress was corn cobs.        And I believe probably the coverings for those
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uhm, some places they call em Wagga blankets, but made one side's sugar bags, the other side, scraps of material, whatever they could put together - patchwork type of thing.         Yes. Didn't have sewing machines like we have today uhm, some places they call em Wagga blankets, but made one side's sugar bags, the other side, scraps of material, whatever they could put together - patchwork type of thing.         Yes. Didn't have sewing machines like we have today
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And every little last little bit was used?          Ah, god yes.        And so they would have made their own bread?          Yes, actually my grandma And every little last little bit was used?          Ah, god yes.        And so they would have made their own bread?          Yes, actually my grandma
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,uh, ,uh,
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there's two casks, and there's two casks, and
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the Nilands the Nilands
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he was the hooper at Ramornie meatworks, he was the hooper at Ramornie meatworks,
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and he made the two casks for Granny Annie, and he made the two casks for Granny Annie,
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uh, from a silky oak tree, uh, from a silky oak tree,
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and that's one and that's one
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bigger cask grandma had the flour and everything in.  Flour and that used to come in bags and the sugar and bigger cask grandma had the flour and everything in.  Flour and that used to come in bags and the sugar and
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the other one then, was where that-, when they made the the bread they stored it in that, and those two casks are at the other one then, was where that-, when they made the the bread they stored it in that, and those two casks are at
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the Historical Society. the Historical Society.
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So they, the So they, the
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supplies came in by bullock wagon.        Bullock teams, yeah, and to come to town when supplies came in by bullock wagon.        Bullock teams, yeah, and to come to town when
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my mom lived and grew up at Eatonsville, because being the oldest in the family, those days, the oldest went my mom lived and grew up at Eatonsville, because being the oldest in the family, those days, the oldest went
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and helped out, and the rest of them lived at Jackadgery, but, and helped out, and the rest of them lived at Jackadgery, but,
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uhm, uhm,
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Granny Lane lived-. She, she was married to Thomas Lane and he lived at Eatonsville, so mum being the oldest she went to live with Granny Granny Lane lived-. She, she was married to Thomas Lane and he lived at Eatonsville, so mum being the oldest she went to live with Granny
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Lane at Eatonsville and Lane at Eatonsville and
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school there and school there and
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she used to come in to she used to come in to
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St Mary's for violin lessons, and she'd come in a horse and sulky, St Mary's for violin lessons, and she'd come in a horse and sulky,
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drive the horse and sulky in to-,  and crossed the punt, drive the horse and sulky in to-,  and crossed the punt,
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no bridge then, cross the punt, leave the horse and sulky at the back of Walkers Hotel, no bridge then, cross the punt, leave the horse and sulky at the back of Walkers Hotel,
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and go across the ferry to Saint Mary's and for her violin lessons. That was 1925. and go across the ferry to Saint Mary's and for her violin lessons. That was 1925.
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And then back in horse and sulky, back home to Eatonsville. And then back in horse and sulky, back home to Eatonsville.
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This Thomas Lane had a lot of property there. This Thomas Lane had a lot of property there.
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They lived They lived
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um,  past Southerners Creek um,  past Southerners Creek
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and one flood mum told me that and one flood mum told me that
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the, the,
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the creek rose the creek rose
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four times, and it come to the door knobs four times, and it come to the door knobs
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of the old home, which is high on a hill there, of the old home, which is high on a hill there,
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and they went up, and they sheltered in the barn up further, and the rats, and they went up, and they sheltered in the barn up further, and the rats,
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the rats running along the rafters and Granny was screaming, and mum got the violin and played her violin, and the rats all left! the rats running along the rafters and Granny was screaming, and mum got the violin and played her violin, and the rats all left!
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Did she do anything with the music after Did she do anything with the music after
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she j- learned to play?       She learned she j- learned to play?       She learned
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 to play but she never made anything  to play but she never made anything
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that career well, she got married and had kids and there was never any time for any after that. But I still have Mum's violin book, that career well, she got married and had kids and there was never any time for any after that. But I still have Mum's violin book,
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books that she was learning, and the violin went to my brother's um, family. They kept that, because one of their children was going to learn violin, yeah. books that she was learning, and the violin went to my brother's um, family. They kept that, because one of their children was going to learn violin, yeah.
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and, uh, and, uh,
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Uncle Uncle
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Charlie Lollback and Uncle Lin, Charlie Lollback and Uncle Lin,
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Lindsay, they, they were Grandfather's brothers. They played for all the dancers at Jackadgery, with, on accordions. Lindsay, they, they were Grandfather's brothers. They played for all the dancers at Jackadgery, with, on accordions.
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Uhm, Uncle Jacob I think, played the violin, Uhm, Uncle Jacob I think, played the violin,
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and Uncle Pat I think played the violin. They were all musical people and um, and Uncle Pat I think played the violin. They were all musical people and um,
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yeah, yeah,
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kept the dancers going and everything there at the hall with Dad kept the dancers going and everything there at the hall with Dad
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because then there was Race days at Jackadgery along the creek bank. because then there was Race days at Jackadgery along the creek bank.
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Lots of things. Lots of things.
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Now the school's closed. Well, once a school closes it's sort of the end of Now the school's closed. Well, once a school closes it's sort of the end of
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a history to me.           How big was the school? a history to me.           How big was the school?
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Aah, well the kids used to ride. There was no buses those days. The kids used to ride their horses. Aah, well the kids used to ride. There was no buses those days. The kids used to ride their horses.
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Uncle Jack Uncle Jack
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Auntie Margaret, Auntie Rene,  Auntie Margaret, Auntie Rene, 
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ah ah
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they used to ride from Mossgrove to the school, they used to ride from Mossgrove to the school,
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and home, ride to dances, and home, ride to dances,
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Um, Um,
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there was there was
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Niland was the first school teacher in 1913 when Jackadgery opened, Niland was the first school teacher in 1913 when Jackadgery opened,
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and the Niland  and the Niland 
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Grandma, great grandma was Jane Niland, so Grandma, great grandma was Jane Niland, so
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he was great grandma's sister's boy and he was the first school teacher at Jackadgery. he was great grandma's sister's boy and he was the first school teacher at Jackadgery.
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And And
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the school still stands today, empty. the school still stands today, empty.
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Do you know if it was a part-time school to start with or?      At one time it was. I think round wartime and that, because the kids on the land had, couldn't go to school because Do you know if it was a part-time school to start with or?      At one time it was. I think round wartime and that, because the kids on the land had, couldn't go to school because
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different ones that, you know, had gone to war, so those that were at home had to work. different ones that, you know, had gone to war, so those that were at home had to work.
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Grandfather had a big cornfield on the bank of the creek, Grandfather had a big cornfield on the bank of the creek,
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so they would have had to attend to that, so they would have had to attend to that,
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and other things on the land. and other things on the land.
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So I think the school did close for s-, for a short time. So I think the school did close for s-, for a short time.
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but it, er, but it, er,
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closed in 20- closed in 20-
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04. 04.
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I was thinking when you when you said it opened in 1913, that was just before the war      Yeah          and it must have been I was thinking when you when you said it opened in 1913, that was just before the war      Yeah          and it must have been
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part, part time, perhaps during the war years.        Possibly was. I, I have got a record of it somewhere, but to ask me off hand, yeah. part, part time, perhaps during the war years.        Possibly was. I, I have got a record of it somewhere, but to ask me off hand, yeah.
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Not sure. Not sure.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But you yourself, you were born in Grafton, and you went, you went to Grafton Primary?        I went to Grafton Primary School But you yourself, you were born in Grafton, and you went, you went to Grafton Primary?        I went to Grafton Primary School
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uh, until I, my classroom was across the Creek, Alumy Creek then, and you had to cross a little bridge and my classroom was across that creek, uh, until I, my classroom was across the Creek, Alumy Creek then, and you had to cross a little bridge and my classroom was across that creek,
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and I, uh, was a bit of a tomboy, and I, uh, was a bit of a tomboy,
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uh, playing Cowboys and Indians with my cousins uh, playing Cowboys and Indians with my cousins
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and broke my leg, and broke my leg,
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so so
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had to miss school for quite a while, because on crutches, I couldn't go on the crutches across the creek, had to miss school for quite a while, because on crutches, I couldn't go on the crutches across the creek,
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uh, so when my mom took me then to Saint Mary's, and I started at Saint Mary's and finished at Saint Mary's. uh, so when my mom took me then to Saint Mary's, and I started at Saint Mary's and finished at Saint Mary's.
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Um, Um,
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Did you go on then and do the business course like most schools did?                       No. No I, um, left school at second year and Did you go on then and do the business course like most schools did?                       No. No I, um, left school at second year and
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I was a bit of a tomboy, got into trouble. I had to be in the choir I was a bit of a tomboy, got into trouble. I had to be in the choir
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I did the choir I did the choir
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and I had to stand and make out I was singing. and I had to stand and make out I was singing.
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Opened my mouth and that, Opened my mouth and that,
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So I used to wag singing and go down to the football field, and play football with the boys, So I used to wag singing and go down to the football field, and play football with the boys,
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 until I got caught, playing the scrum, playing football and was marched up to the head office and  until I got caught, playing the scrum, playing football and was marched up to the head office and
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caned severely - six cuts! caned severely - six cuts!
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That's unusual for a girl, in those days. That's unusual for a girl, in those days.
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Discipline was totally different wasn't it?         Very, disciplined. Discipline was totally different wasn't it?         Very, disciplined.
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Another occasion I got caught playing football again and I refused to take the cane and had to kneel for an hour Another occasion I got caught playing football again and I refused to take the cane and had to kneel for an hour
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on the floorboards, and I had to kneel where the cracks were on the floorboards, and I had to kneel where the cracks were
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and kneel on them for an hour. and kneel on them for an hour.
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And then I still refused to take the cane so I was told to leave the school. And then I still refused to take the cane so I was told to leave the school.
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So I did. So I did.
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This is when you're 14? This is when you're 14?
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Did you-      15.         Did you go out to work then? Did you-      15.         Did you go out to work then?
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First job was while I was still going to school. My first job was at the Grafton Hotel First job was while I was still going to school. My first job was at the Grafton Hotel
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for for
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Mr and Mrs. Russell, not Russell, er, Mr and Mrs. Russell, not Russell, er,
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Gilmore Gilmore
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they were the publicans, and they had two children, Deborah and Russell. they were the publicans, and they had two children, Deborah and Russell.
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And so after school I used to go there and babysit the kids And so after school I used to go there and babysit the kids
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and, er, 'til their mother could come up and and, er, 'til their mother could come up and
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after 6:00 o'clock, and then -. I used to give them their tea, and then I'd ride home then after s-, back home then, on the pushbike. after 6:00 o'clock, and then -. I used to give them their tea, and then I'd ride home then after s-, back home then, on the pushbike.
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but she took a massive heart attack and, um, died so but she took a massive heart attack and, um, died so
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I lost my job. I lost my job.
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Um, Um,
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and my next job then was and my next job then was
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at the hospital, the Base Hospital, at the hospital, the Base Hospital,
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in the kitchen, in the kitchen,
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and worked. I was a relief for the whole of the hospital. I worked in every ward at the hospital, Annex Ward, Miller Ward, when people went off on their days off.        This is with the kitchen staff.         All over the ho-. No, no, not just kitchen staff. I was also in dispensary. and worked. I was a relief for the whole of the hospital. I worked in every ward at the hospital, Annex Ward, Miller Ward, when people went off on their days off.        This is with the kitchen staff.         All over the ho-. No, no, not just kitchen staff. I was also in dispensary.
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Miller Ward Miller Ward
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C Ward, G.B, Watman Block 'cause we don't have any of that at the hospital anymore.        Actually as an enrolled nurse?     No, as a domestic. Yeah. C Ward, G.B, Watman Block 'cause we don't have any of that at the hospital anymore.        Actually as an enrolled nurse?     No, as a domestic. Yeah.
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Big heavy vacuum cleaners those days and big heavy polishers. Big heavy vacuum cleaners those days and big heavy polishers.
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But relieved every ward, and then I was relief for Mr. Smith But relieved every ward, and then I was relief for Mr. Smith
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in the kitchen. in the kitchen.
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So I used to have to cut all the pumpkins, and peel the brains and So I used to have to cut all the pumpkins, and peel the brains and
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cut up the tripe. And then I was assist-. I was assistant then to cut up the tripe. And then I was assist-. I was assistant then to
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Mrs Hopkins, er, her days off, and then night. I worked night time Mrs Hopkins, er, her days off, and then night. I worked night time
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for the for the
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the night staff got their, er, supper, the night staff got their, er, supper,
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and you used to have to take the tray to Matron Higham, and you used to have to take the tray to Matron Higham,
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Uh, and Sister Renny, and Sister Kelly, and walk and carry this tray to their units where they were Uh, and Sister Renny, and Sister Kelly, and walk and carry this tray to their units where they were
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Wait, and go back and bring them back and clean up, and then ride a push bike home. Wait, and go back and bring them back and clean up, and then ride a push bike home.
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 And you did that for many years?        Done that for a couple of years, and then  And you did that for many years?        Done that for a couple of years, and then
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I went to Sydney then, er, to my sister, I went to Sydney then, er, to my sister,
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and I worked at Saint er, Margaret's Hospital. and I worked at Saint er, Margaret's Hospital.
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I was a B-grade cook, but I got very homesick and wanted to come home. I was a B-grade cook, but I got very homesick and wanted to come home.
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Came home for a little while, went back again and I worked then in a Came home for a little while, went back again and I worked then in a
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factory making fluorescent lights. factory making fluorescent lights.
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The real long ones, and round ones, and The real long ones, and round ones, and
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um, then I left that and then I became a barmaid. I worked at the Charles Hotel. I worked at Bronte um, then I left that and then I became a barmaid. I worked at the Charles Hotel. I worked at Bronte
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Uh, Uh,
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several hotels, several hotels,
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and then I became an usherette at the State Theatre. and then I became an usherette at the State Theatre.
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And loved that job, um, because I used to see so many from home. And loved that job, um, because I used to see so many from home.
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and Sister Renny and Sister Renny
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and different ones from Grafton.         Because when they went to the city, they always went to the State Theatre. and different ones from Grafton.         Because when they went to the city, they always went to the State Theatre.
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So I worked there, and um, So I worked there, and um,
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Prince Edward Theatre, Prince Edward Theatre,
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um, and then I got married. Ha!        You, but you came home, home um, and then I got married. Ha!        You, but you came home, home
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because you sic-, were homesick.            I was homesick. Yeah, but went back, back to Sydney, yeah.  And then I got married and er, because you sic-, were homesick.            I was homesick. Yeah, but went back, back to Sydney, yeah.  And then I got married and er,
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then went to Adelaide, then went to Adelaide,
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'cause I married a sailor 'cause I married a sailor
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and and
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had my first child, in '64, had my first child, in '64,
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and he and he
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he took me to Crown Street Women's Hospital to have my child, and he left the next day to sail on the Melbourne, he took me to Crown Street Women's Hospital to have my child, and he left the next day to sail on the Melbourne,
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three months. three months.
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He come home and I had a 3 month old child. He come home and I had a 3 month old child.
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And then he, And then he,
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he was on the Melbourne when it collided with the Voyager. he was on the Melbourne when it collided with the Voyager.
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Destroyed him a lot. Destroyed him a lot.
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Um, and the marriage failed and Um, and the marriage failed and
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came came
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I went to Adelaide to live there for a while with his parents, and then came home when my daughter was one year old, eighteen months old. I went to Adelaide to live there for a while with his parents, and then came home when my daughter was one year old, eighteen months old.
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Um, Um,
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And you've remained here since. And you've remained here since.
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Yes. Yes.
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Being very involved in community work though in the last few years, as your family's grown up. Being very involved in community work though in the last few years, as your family's grown up.
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Well, yes, um, when I come home, while I had nothing from trying to start off again, I took in boarders. Well, yes, um, when I come home, while I had nothing from trying to start off again, I took in boarders.
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Uh. Uh.
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Took in ironing. Took in whatever I could to make money. Took in ironing. Took in whatever I could to make money.
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Married again. Married again.
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Ten years, ten years out from the first marriage, I married again, Ten years, ten years out from the first marriage, I married again,
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and had another daughter, and that husband died of a brain tumour. and had another daughter, and that husband died of a brain tumour.
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So I went ten years, and the kids said Mom it's time to get married again, and I said no, so married in 18-, 1989. So I went ten years, and the kids said Mom it's time to get married again, and I said no, so married in 18-, 1989.
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Courted Rex for five years and yeah. Courted Rex for five years and yeah.
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married again. so, three marriages and two children, married again. so, three marriages and two children,
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three grandkids and one great three grandkids and one great
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grand child.          And they're a lot of fun.         Beautiful. grand child.          And they're a lot of fun.         Beautiful.
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Yes. But in between all that Yes. But in between all that
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I worked, I worked,
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uh, cleaning houses. uh, cleaning houses.
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I'm now into my twenty third year at the Bishop's House. I'm now into my twenty third year at the Bishop's House.
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I seem to go with the furniture in the Bishop's house. [laughing] I seem to go with the furniture in the Bishop's house. [laughing]
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Worked for Richard Hurford at the Deanery for thirteen years, Worked for Richard Hurford at the Deanery for thirteen years,
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I was cleaning their house, I was cleaning their house,
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and went to Sydney with them and settled them in, in Sydney. and went to Sydney with them and settled them in, in Sydney.
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I was there for his induction as a Bishop. I was there for his induction as a Bishop.
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and have remained friends ever since. and have remained friends ever since.
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Uh. Uh.
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cleaned the cathedral for twenty years, voluntary, cleaned the cathedral for twenty years, voluntary,
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until until
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2006 when I had an operation and couldn't do it anymore. 2006 when I had an operation and couldn't do it anymore.
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And that was, I used to do And that was, I used to do
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five/six months of the year on my own every week, which five/six months of the year on my own every week, which
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It's a big job. It is.        Nola:  But you were very involved in historical side of, of things at, in some communities, particularly up at Coaldale.       Yes. It's a big job. It is.        Nola:  But you were very involved in historical side of, of things at, in some communities, particularly up at Coaldale.       Yes.
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Um, because Coaldale was where my husband was born and his mother was very, always involved with the hall and everything. Um, because Coaldale was where my husband was born and his mother was very, always involved with the hall and everything.
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Uhm. Uhm.
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 I've become involved with Coaldale Hall, which was the school,  I've become involved with Coaldale Hall, which was the school,
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and run dances and and run dances and
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morning teas to raise money for various charities, the community bus and morning teas to raise money for various charities, the community bus and
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restoration the roof at Copmanhurst, the church. Er, restoration the roof at Copmanhurst, the church. Er,
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oncology department, oncology department,
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a few others, I forget.        But while you are so involved with the co- the hall up at Coaldale, you put up a terrific a few others, I forget.        But while you are so involved with the co- the hall up at Coaldale, you put up a terrific
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display up there for the community.        Yeah, it started, um, when I looked at-, when you go into any hall and you see an honour board and I looked at the Honour board and thought, dear it would be nice to have the photos of those people that gave their life. display up there for the community.        Yeah, it started, um, when I looked at-, when you go into any hall and you see an honour board and I looked at the Honour board and thought, dear it would be nice to have the photos of those people that gave their life.
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So I set about to get the photos, So I set about to get the photos,
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and World War One.  I-, one photo still missing of and World War One.  I-, one photo still missing of
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Fred Amos and World War Two-. World War One there was Fred Amos and World War Two-. World War One there was
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nineteen people and one photo missing is Fred Amos, and World War Two there was twenty five people, nineteen people and one photo missing is Fred Amos, and World War Two there was twenty five people,
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And believe it or not, another Fred. [chuckling] And believe it or not, another Fred. [chuckling]
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Fred Roles um, and he's the only one that I was missing the photo. So that's where I started then to put photos of, of the people that served our country. Fred Roles um, and he's the only one that I was missing the photo. So that's where I started then to put photos of, of the people that served our country.
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and then started gathering photos of and then started gathering photos of
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of the history of Coaldale, the school, and the people, and of the history of Coaldale, the school, and the people, and
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then became more involved then became more involved
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in the history of Coaldale. in the history of Coaldale.
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He wrote a book He wrote a book
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not that it sold, but anyway, wrote a book on Coaldale. not that it sold, but anyway, wrote a book on Coaldale.
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Umm, and 2006 I- Umm, and 2006 I-
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But you took up another challenge closer to home, didn't you? But you took up another challenge closer to home, didn't you?
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Yes, um, was involved Yes, um, was involved
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with with
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the heritage of Copmanhurst Shire, and the heritage of Copmanhurst Shire, and
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becoming involved with becoming involved with
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a lot closer to where I live is Southgate. a lot closer to where I live is Southgate.
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Now with the, which was the school built in 1881 at Southgate Now with the, which was the school built in 1881 at Southgate
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which is the second school for Southgate which is the second school for Southgate
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and when the school closed, it then became the Community Centre and when the school closed, it then became the Community Centre
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and there's been no committee there since of 2004, and there's been no committee there since of 2004,
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so I took on the role of caretaker and then formed a committee, so I took on the role of caretaker and then formed a committee,
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and and
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and dances. We'd take music and morning teas, and dances. We'd take music and morning teas,
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um, um,
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for, raise money for oncology and the last one we had was for, raise money for oncology and the last one we had was
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invited the residents from Dougherty Villa out for a morning tea. And none of them, there was fifteen, and not one of them had ever been in the hall, which was, made it for me that morning. invited the residents from Dougherty Villa out for a morning tea. And none of them, there was fifteen, and not one of them had ever been in the hall, which was, made it for me that morning.
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Umm, I had a morning tea for Umm, I had a morning tea for
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uh, oncology in May and uh, oncology in May and
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because at Coaldale I had fifty two pictures all told at Coaldale, and I bought a lot of them home with me. because at Coaldale I had fifty two pictures all told at Coaldale, and I bought a lot of them home with me.
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And so I set about, Southgate hasn't got the walls like I had at Coaldale And so I set about, Southgate hasn't got the walls like I had at Coaldale
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so, because so many windows and so, because so many windows and
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because of the old brickwork it's very hard to put up anything on the walls, so everything is on cardboard [chuckling] and because of the old brickwork it's very hard to put up anything on the walls, so everything is on cardboard [chuckling] and
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um, tied up on string and wherever I can put something, so there's a display in the hall there of um, tied up on string and wherever I can put something, so there's a display in the hall there of
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history of Southgate. history of Southgate.
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of all over the areas. of all over the areas.
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at Ramornie, and um, whatever pictures I can come up, with the display is there. at Ramornie, and um, whatever pictures I can come up, with the display is there.
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And looking around the walls here, you have been recognized by the community for your involvement.        Yeah. And looking around the walls here, you have been recognized by the community for your involvement.        Yeah.
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Which is nice to see. Lots of times people have been involved for lifetime and never recognized. Which is nice to see. Lots of times people have been involved for lifetime and never recognized.
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The first award was to go to Parliament House The first award was to go to Parliament House
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to be flown to Parliament house and to be given that certificate for Heritage to be flown to Parliament house and to be given that certificate for Heritage
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I think is cream. I think is cream.
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Yes. Yes.
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Greatest achievement.        Oh, wonderful. Greatest achievement.        Oh, wonderful.
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Yep.       But that's not the only one on the wall. There's many ones from councils to Yep.       But that's not the only one on the wall. There's many ones from councils to
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community involvement, for volunteers, your recognition from the electorate, the whole community involvement, for volunteers, your recognition from the electorate, the whole
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but that is, its a quite an achievement, because quite a collection. but that is, its a quite an achievement, because quite a collection.
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Uhm, Uhm,
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I'm a quiet achiever.        That is the best ones too. I'm a quiet achiever.        That is the best ones too.
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Now what do you put down all this involvement in Community? Is it from a heritage point of view that you've Now what do you put down all this involvement in Community? Is it from a heritage point of view that you've
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Decided that you've, um, had the Decided that you've, um, had the
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Because of, yes, the heritage part, but even before I got involved with the heritage I have always admired Because of, yes, the heritage part, but even before I got involved with the heritage I have always admired
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not only my ancestors, but all of the ancestors, our people around us, because how hard they lived and not only my ancestors, but all of the ancestors, our people around us, because how hard they lived and
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they worked hard and, and for what they've given us. they worked hard and, and for what they've given us.
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I look at things today, I look at things today,
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I see bridges that were built and the structure of them. I see what our, what our pioneering people done for us. I see bridges that were built and the structure of them. I see what our, what our pioneering people done for us.
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And I often ask myself And I often ask myself
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in fifty years, what are we gonna have? in fifty years, what are we gonna have?
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Only chip board and plastic. Only chip board and plastic.
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A lot of A lot of