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This is Nola Mackie speaking with Harold Winkle at his home in Tri- Traralgon, Victoria on the 4th of October 9 This is Nola Mackie speaking with Harold Winkle at his home in Tri- Traralgon, Victoria on the 4th of October 9
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2008. 2008.
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Harold I'd like to speak to you tonight about your involvement in the timber industry, particularly in the Clarence Valley, and then I'd like to move on with your wood chopping experience and um progress, Harold I'd like to speak to you tonight about your involvement in the timber industry, particularly in the Clarence Valley, and then I'd like to move on with your wood chopping experience and um progress,
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within the sport and where you believe the sport's going from hereon.        Yeah, no worries, Nola.      Now we, I'd like to go back to the start. How did you come to go to the Clarence River? You weren't born there. You were born in southern Queensland, weren't you? within the sport and where you believe the sport's going from hereon.        Yeah, no worries, Nola.      Now we, I'd like to go back to the start. How did you come to go to the Clarence River? You weren't born there. You were born in southern Queensland, weren't you?
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Yes, yes I was, um I-uh was born in Brisbane in 1946, 13th of January 1946, Yes, yes I was, um I-uh was born in Brisbane in 1946, 13th of January 1946,
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and lived on Mount Mee until um, my uh, and lived on Mount Mee until um, my uh,
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20th birthday 20th birthday
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and and
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it was all an accident really, uh what's and fate. I got called up for National Service and uh, it was all an accident really, uh what's and fate. I got called up for National Service and uh,
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went down to Singleton, for the training battalion, and um went down to Singleton, for the training battalion, and um
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was training there and uh, we had a, a little football game one Sunday, illegal football game I got a broken arm, was training there and uh, we had a, a little football game one Sunday, illegal football game I got a broken arm,
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and one way and the other it took a long time to heal. So they sent me down to Eastern Command Personnel Depot, which is on the southern head of Sydney Harbour, and one way and the other it took a long time to heal. So they sent me down to Eastern Command Personnel Depot, which is on the southern head of Sydney Harbour,
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and it did heal eventually, but in my final medical, and it did heal eventually, but in my final medical,
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they decided that I had an excessive acne, they decided that I had an excessive acne,
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and they, they booted me, and they, they booted me,
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let me go. let me go.
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So I hopped into the car and was heading home to uh, So I hopped into the car and was heading home to uh,
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to uh, Queensland, um I, I guess I, I did say Mount Mee, that was where I lived. to uh, Queensland, um I, I guess I, I did say Mount Mee, that was where I lived.
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Was heading home there to help the, with the folks on the farm again, Was heading home there to help the, with the folks on the farm again,
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and somewhere near Kempsey I hit a big pothole on the road and um, and somewhere near Kempsey I hit a big pothole on the road and um,
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ruptured a brake line. ruptured a brake line.
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Um, Um,
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that took a large part of the day to get repaired, that took a large part of the day to get repaired,
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and so I had a brother in uh, Grafton and uh, I called in there and so I had a brother in uh, Grafton and uh, I called in there
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and stopped the night. and stopped the night.
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And John, brother John and um, And John, brother John and um,
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he was just, had just finished up on his particular job, he was just, had just finished up on his particular job,
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and had another one offered, and he needed an offsider for a, for a short while. and had another one offered, and he needed an offsider for a, for a short while.
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One thing led to another and I, I never, I never did get back to Mount Mee um, One thing led to another and I, I never, I never did get back to Mount Mee um,
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I helped him for a while and uh, then got a job on my own working for I helped him for a while and uh, then got a job on my own working for
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a sawmill in um, Briggsvale, uh G L Briggs & Sons and a sawmill in um, Briggsvale, uh G L Briggs & Sons and
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was working there for a firm, a, a Grafton firm, uh was working there for a firm, a, a Grafton firm, uh
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Arthur Rathborne and Kenny Rathborne. I just can't quite remember what they called themselves, but it was Arthur Rathborne and Kenny Rathborne. I just can't quite remember what they called themselves, but it was
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they had a depot out on South Grafton. Worked for them for a while and then I they had a depot out on South Grafton. Worked for them for a while and then I
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asked Arthur one day if he'd like to sell me the job, and to my surprise, he said he would. asked Arthur one day if he'd like to sell me the job, and to my surprise, he said he would.
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So I guess that was it, I uh, So I guess that was it, I uh,
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I never did escape there for a long time. I was there for [laughs], for working in that area for I never did escape there for a long time. I was there for [laughs], for working in that area for
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from 1966 till 1992.       So this is up on the Upper Orara is it?      Yes, yes on, on the headwaters of the O-O-O Orara, I guess um, yeah, up uh, Cascade, Briggsvale area, yeah, uh west, uh north from Dorrigo.       So it's it's well after they used to send the timber down by train. The train had finished then, had it?       Oh, yes, yes, although not, not, from 1966 till 1992.       So this is up on the Upper Orara is it?      Yes, yes on, on the headwaters of the O-O-O Orara, I guess um, yeah, up uh, Cascade, Briggsvale area, yeah, uh west, uh north from Dorrigo.       So it's it's well after they used to send the timber down by train. The train had finished then, had it?       Oh, yes, yes, although not, not,
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not too long before that um, not too long before that um,
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and actual fact, I think there was one that did go through after I arrived there. Um, I don't know that it was a, a regular run. I don't know whether it's going to pick up stock or whatever, but I do recall uh, an engine going through there, but that's the only one that I've seen, yeah. and actual fact, I think there was one that did go through after I arrived there. Um, I don't know that it was a, a regular run. I don't know whether it's going to pick up stock or whatever, but I do recall uh, an engine going through there, but that's the only one that I've seen, yeah.
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So all the timber that went to the mill came by trucks?       Yes, yes, most of it locally, most of it uh, at that time, uh most of it from within, within a short distance of the mill. So all the timber that went to the mill came by trucks?       Yes, yes, most of it locally, most of it uh, at that time, uh most of it from within, within a short distance of the mill.
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But over the years um, it uh, they, they did move further afield and um, moved up into the Chaelundi uh But over the years um, it uh, they, they did move further afield and um, moved up into the Chaelundi uh
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area out past um, area out past um,
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Hernani, west of the Grafton, Armidale Road Hernani, west of the Grafton, Armidale Road
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and that was, uh, yeah, that was a little further away, that was uh, over a hundred kilometres some of those hauls there.        So that the process was that the, the source of the timber virtually and that was, uh, yeah, that was a little further away, that was uh, over a hundred kilometres some of those hauls there.        So that the process was that the, the source of the timber virtually
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from the Forestry Department as well as a private property. from the Forestry Department as well as a private property.
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Very little private property Nola. Um, most of the timber was uh, was um, from the Forest Commission. They had a, an annual quota. When I started it was I think if I remember correctly, it was Very little private property Nola. Um, most of the timber was uh, was um, from the Forest Commission. They had a, an annual quota. When I started it was I think if I remember correctly, it was
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five, five million super feet gross a year and as the time went on, they uh, they did expand on that a little uh, and five, five million super feet gross a year and as the time went on, they uh, they did expand on that a little uh, and
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by the time that uh, the mill did get burnt down eventually that was the, what the, way I ceased operating there by the time that uh, the mill did get burnt down eventually that was the, what the, way I ceased operating there
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Um, Um,
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for that company. for that company.
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I, I guess they were probably double that with the volume that they were handling.       So each mill had uh, its own quota of the area?        Yes, yes they did.        And did they have to pay as a licence or it was just um, granted to them because they asked for it? I, I guess they were probably double that with the volume that they were handling.       So each mill had uh, its own quota of the area?        Yes, yes they did.        And did they have to pay as a licence or it was just um, granted to them because they asked for it?
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I, they um, I, they um,
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I'm not totally familiar how that uh, that system started but they certainly had to be licensed with the Commission and um, and they were allocated that what, what was the monetary cost I don't, I don't really know, uh, for the right to have the quota, I just don't know how that worked but of course they, they had uh, they had uh, to pay royalty for everything that they did get.        And so the, the process was the man with uh the I'm not totally familiar how that uh, that system started but they certainly had to be licensed with the Commission and um, and they were allocated that what, what was the monetary cost I don't, I don't really know, uh, for the right to have the quota, I just don't know how that worked but of course they, they had uh, they had uh, to pay royalty for everything that they did get.        And so the, the process was the man with uh the
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fellow went out the cut.        Yes.        He, he was asked to select what was needed for their orders. fellow went out the cut.        Yes.        He, he was asked to select what was needed for their orders.
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No, not, not quite, um No, not, not quite, um
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the, the Forest Commission allocated different areas, uh, we used to call them compartments or blocks and could be anything up to a couple of hundred hectares and the, the Forest Commission allocated different areas, uh, we used to call them compartments or blocks and could be anything up to a couple of hundred hectares and
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they might be they might be
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primarily Coastal Blackbutt, or, or they could have a mixture of Brush Box or uh, or um, Turpentine, some of them moister hardwood timbers. primarily Coastal Blackbutt, or, or they could have a mixture of Brush Box or uh, or um, Turpentine, some of them moister hardwood timbers.
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Um, Um,
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I think I think
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what they tried to do was balance out the um, what they tried to do was balance out the um,
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the different species um, de, depending on their availability. Uh, Tallowwood, Tallowwood was a much sought after timber up there and there was magnificent Tallowwood there in places. the different species um, de, depending on their availability. Uh, Tallowwood, Tallowwood was a much sought after timber up there and there was magnificent Tallowwood there in places.
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So but when you went into it, when you went into a compartment, you had to take everything was there a mill, mill couldn't uh, So but when you went into it, when you went into a compartment, you had to take everything was there a mill, mill couldn't uh,
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not in my time anyway. They, they couldn't um, decide that they didn't want something and leave it there for future, it all had to be cut.       So the, the, the timber was cut down not in my time anyway. They, they couldn't um, decide that they didn't want something and leave it there for future, it all had to be cut.       So the, the, the timber was cut down
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and by axe in, at the time or it was.       Mm.        Mm. Only by chainsaw at the time.        No, when I started there in 1966 it was all chainsaws uh, and by axe in, at the time or it was.       Mm.        Mm. Only by chainsaw at the time.        No, when I started there in 1966 it was all chainsaws uh,
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and um, most of us, the snigging those days was done with a, with a crawler tractor, usually a, a Caterpillar D7 or a, or a similar sized International or Komatsu, and um, most of us, the snigging those days was done with a, with a crawler tractor, usually a, a Caterpillar D7 or a, or a similar sized International or Komatsu,
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and uh, loaded onto a truck, loaded off a ramp. Trucks would, tractor would push the logs onto the truck. Mostly Mack trucks those days, and, and uh, and uh, loaded onto a truck, loaded off a ramp. Trucks would, tractor would push the logs onto the truck. Mostly Mack trucks those days, and, and uh,
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and then taken to the mill.  We had some very short hauls uh in actual fact at one stage, I remember in a wet time I was pulling logs in the mill yard with the tractor. and then taken to the mill.  We had some very short hauls uh in actual fact at one stage, I remember in a wet time I was pulling logs in the mill yard with the tractor.
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Was a lot of timber there. Was a lot of timber there.
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Beautiful uh stands of timber.         So this is uh virgin, uh timber or it's?         Some of it was. Yeah some of it was. Some, some had been cut through uh, earlier, um Beautiful uh stands of timber.         So this is uh virgin, uh timber or it's?         Some of it was. Yeah some of it was. Some, some had been cut through uh, earlier, um
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at uh, at Briggsvale there, the principal sawmill was um, serviced with a, with a tramway, uh, at uh, at Briggsvale there, the principal sawmill was um, serviced with a, with a tramway, uh,
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very interesting construction, and the very early ones was, were uh wooden rails very interesting construction, and the very early ones was, were uh wooden rails
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um, with uh, um, with uh,
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you could still see the remnants of the old uh, tram cars there and pulled by horses. you could still see the remnants of the old uh, tram cars there and pulled by horses.
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But they progressed over the years to a uh, Co, Coventry steam engine and um, on, on steel lines and which are still, still in the area tod, to this day in some places. But they progressed over the years to a uh, Co, Coventry steam engine and um, on, on steel lines and which are still, still in the area tod, to this day in some places.
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and great shame that this, it uh, wasn't running. It would be a magnificent attraction and great shame that this, it uh, wasn't running. It would be a magnificent attraction
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and then of course that, that progressed to and then of course that, that progressed to
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Oh and I should say there was a, a lot of, there was quite a bit of logging down there with a hauler which was virtually a stationary, Oh and I should say there was a, a lot of, there was quite a bit of logging down there with a hauler which was virtually a stationary,
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very large winch on the back of a, of a gasoline driven truck or the like, and with a, a series of ropes running from, through the bush and uh, uh on pulling blocks and uh, they winched the logs from quite a long distances into the, into the, into the site beside the railhead or whatever.       That was a bit unusual, wasn't it?       It was a bit unusual, yeah, it was very effective uh, very large winch on the back of a, of a gasoline driven truck or the like, and with a, a series of ropes running from, through the bush and uh, uh on pulling blocks and uh, they winched the logs from quite a long distances into the, into the, into the site beside the railhead or whatever.       That was a bit unusual, wasn't it?       It was a bit unusual, yeah, it was very effective uh,
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It was very easy to track where they'd been, was quite well, worn grooves in the, in the bush.       And did you ever come across where it had been cut before the axes and the.       Oh yes.       Notches.       Oh yes. Yes, yes oh yes for sure, and um, in fact It was very easy to track where they'd been, was quite well, worn grooves in the, in the bush.       And did you ever come across where it had been cut before the axes and the.       Oh yes.       Notches.       Oh yes. Yes, yes oh yes for sure, and um, in fact
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an interesting thing about that, uh, an interesting thing about that, uh,
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a lot of the, the stumps of course, they were big butted trees and uh a lot of the, the stumps of course, they were big butted trees and uh
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the old timers would climb up two or three board heights uh, by that I mean they would put a, cut a notch in the, in the, in the tree and put in a board or sometimes just a branch, get up on that and cut another one, and get up on that, and then they'd fell the tree. Might be up to twelve foot high. Try and get away from the, the bigger butt and away from the defects of the butt. the old timers would climb up two or three board heights uh, by that I mean they would put a, cut a notch in the, in the, in the tree and put in a board or sometimes just a branch, get up on that and cut another one, and get up on that, and then they'd fell the tree. Might be up to twelve foot high. Try and get away from the, the bigger butt and away from the defects of the butt.
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and and
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was an absolutely magnificent place for lyre birds to build their nests. They loved them and they just kept them away from the uh, ground dwellers to a certain extent, their, their predators, was an absolutely magnificent place for lyre birds to build their nests. They loved them and they just kept them away from the uh, ground dwellers to a certain extent, their, their predators,
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and um, very often you would come across their nests in, on the stumps. and um, very often you would come across their nests in, on the stumps.
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So that the, the stump of the tree So that the, the stump of the tree
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they'd actually nest in the top of it.        Yes, yes, yeah and um, they'd actually nest in the top of it.        Yes, yes, yeah and um,
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I've seen thousands of nests and I've only ever fortunate enough once in, in my life once to look in and see some baby lyre birds. I've seen thousands of nests and I've only ever fortunate enough once in, in my life once to look in and see some baby lyre birds.
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Yeah, quite amazing. Yeah, quite amazing.
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Were there are a lot of um, that kind of um, lyre birds?        Oh.        Bush turkeys.        Oh. Were there are a lot of um, that kind of um, lyre birds?        Oh.        Bush turkeys.        Oh.
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Lyre birds, Lyre birds,
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absolutely thousands of them. absolutely thousands of them.
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Just go to the bush in the morning and just sit there quietly, at any time for that matter, but, Just go to the bush in the morning and just sit there quietly, at any time for that matter, but,
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and you can hear them. and you can hear them.
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Echoing as far as you could possibly hear you could hear them and ringing Echoing as far as you could possibly hear you could hear them and ringing
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and, and,
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of course they, everyone knows what marvellous mimics they are. But I did hear some interesting things from time to time. of course they, everyone knows what marvellous mimics they are. But I did hear some interesting things from time to time.
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When I first went to Briggsvale in the 19' When I first went to Briggsvale in the 19'
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'60, '67, '60, '67,
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till about 19', virtually ten years, there was uh, till about 19', virtually ten years, there was uh,
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the dingoes had virtually disappeared uh, the dingoes had virtually disappeared uh,
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I don't really know there's a lot of, there's a few uh, ideas why they got thin on the ground, um, I don't really know there's a lot of, there's a few uh, ideas why they got thin on the ground, um,
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only seen one dingo in that time, which was quite amazing. only seen one dingo in that time, which was quite amazing.
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And then one morning we were having sm, smoko and I could hear the lyre bird going through all his, And then one morning we were having sm, smoko and I could hear the lyre bird going through all his,
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his repertoire and um, his repertoire and um,
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perfect pitch and tone of everything and next thing I hear him imitating dingo pups perfect pitch and tone of everything and next thing I hear him imitating dingo pups
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yelping and I uh, I said, and I said to the guy, there's bloody dingoes around. yelping and I uh, I said, and I said to the guy, there's bloody dingoes around.
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And then we started to see And then we started to see
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sitting on the side of the road, pups and, sitting on the side of the road, pups and,
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and then there was a lot of them about. The very, extremely interesting thing about this is and then there was a lot of them about. The very, extremely interesting thing about this is
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when I was a kid, uh, for better or worse, it, it was some sort of status symbol if you could shoot a dingo, when I was a kid, uh, for better or worse, it, it was some sort of status symbol if you could shoot a dingo,
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because everyone here, they are a menaces. They killed the cows and ate the calves and god knows what, because everyone here, they are a menaces. They killed the cows and ate the calves and god knows what,
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and and
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it was, it was a very difficult thing to do. They were very, very cunning and very, and very wary. it was, it was a very difficult thing to do. They were very, very cunning and very, and very wary.
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Virtually impossible uh, to get a go at them. Virtually impossible uh, to get a go at them.
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Now this particular Now this particular
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new breed come along, new breed come along,
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and I seen the most extraordinary things I've ever seen in, and I, I'd seen in my life uh, we started to see them sitting on the side of the road and they'd sit there as you drove past. They wouldn't bolt as soon as they seen you. and I seen the most extraordinary things I've ever seen in, and I, I'd seen in my life uh, we started to see them sitting on the side of the road and they'd sit there as you drove past. They wouldn't bolt as soon as they seen you.
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And the next thing I know, we're having uh, smoko one day, And the next thing I know, we're having uh, smoko one day,
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and out wanders a dingo about a hundred metres up the road, and out wanders a dingo about a hundred metres up the road,
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and next thing he wanders down past us where we're sitting. and next thing he wanders down past us where we're sitting.
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And I, I was just gobsmacked. I, I couldn't believe it after I had what, how I knew them as when I was a boy. And I, I was just gobsmacked. I, I couldn't believe it after I had what, how I knew them as when I was a boy.
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and, and it progressed, um, I mean, and, and it progressed, um, I mean,
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one of my guys was falling a tree with a big 090 Stihl, a very noisy chainsaw and he looked around and he had his oil and petrol bottle sitting on the ground behind him, tied together with a leather strap and here's a dingo half-bred, half-grown dingo chewing a strap. one of my guys was falling a tree with a big 090 Stihl, a very noisy chainsaw and he looked around and he had his oil and petrol bottle sitting on the ground behind him, tied together with a leather strap and here's a dingo half-bred, half-grown dingo chewing a strap.
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And you know, it was common to throw 'em a sandwich and all the rest. And you know, it was common to throw 'em a sandwich and all the rest.
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And, and then whilst all this was going on the L, And, and then whilst all this was going on the L,
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the Lindy Chamberlain uh affair was going on. the Lindy Chamberlain uh affair was going on.
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And I, and I nev, I didn't have a clue like every, everyone else what had happened there, but I knew one thing for sure, And I, and I nev, I didn't have a clue like every, everyone else what had happened there, but I knew one thing for sure,
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there was no question in my mind whatsoever that a dingo would go into a camp and take anything it thought was a meal. there was no question in my mind whatsoever that a dingo would go into a camp and take anything it thought was a meal.
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No doubt in my mind.       Mm.       Not at all, I'd seen it proven. No doubt in my mind.       Mm.       Not at all, I'd seen it proven.
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And did you ever hear the lyre birds mimicking the chainsaw? I've heard.         Yes, but not in, not in operation. And did you ever hear the lyre birds mimicking the chainsaw? I've heard.         Yes, but not in, not in operation.
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Yes, that's I, I got away from telling you about the lyre birds, um, Yes, that's I, I got away from telling you about the lyre birds, um,
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there used to be a,  another there used to be a,  another