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Running OK, this is Marie Barrows and today I'm recording an interview with Eric Hillis. It's the 7th of September 2009. We're recording this interview in the appropriate place in the Pelican Playhouse, the home of the Grafton Theatre Company. Running OK, this is Marie Barrows and today I'm recording an interview with Eric Hillis. It's the 7th of September 2009. We're recording this interview in the appropriate place in the Pelican Playhouse, the home of the Grafton Theatre Company.

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Because Eric is a relative new come to Grafton and so hasn't got a history of living in the area. Because Eric is a relative new come to Grafton and so hasn't got a history of living in the area.

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I've decided to dispense with all the background history and just go straight to stories about the craft and theatre company, which is why I asked him to do this interview. So, thank you very much Eric for taking part in this oral history group ahm project that we're doing to the Grafton City Council or Clarence Valley Council. I'm sorry I said it wrongly. Now as how long have you lived in Grafton? I've decided to dispense with all the background history and just go straight to stories about the craft and theatre company, which is why I asked him to do this interview. So, thank you very much Eric for taking part in this oral history group ahm project that we're doing to the Grafton City Council or Clarence Valley Council. I'm sorry I said it wrongly. Now as how long have you lived in Grafton?

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Came here in June 2000. [Maree] Right, just a bit over 9 Years... [Eric] A bit over 9 years, yes [Maree] And when did you decide to join up with the theatre company? Came here in June 2000. [Maree] Right, just a bit over 9 Years... [Eric] A bit over 9 years, yes [Maree] And when did you decide to join up with the theatre company?

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[Eric] It would have been early 2001. I was first introduced to it by David Carmont. [Maree] Yes. And have you always lived in South Grafton and you have a business here? Is that right from day one? [Eric] Yeah, that's correct. [Maree] Yeah. Great. And you're happy living in this area? [Eric]Well, happy working this area actually. Actually our, our - we live outside town. [Eric] It would have been early 2001. I was first introduced to it by David Carmont. [Maree] Yes. And have you always lived in South Grafton and you have a business here? Is that right from day one? [Eric] Yeah, that's correct. [Maree] Yeah. Great. And you're happy living in this area? [Eric]Well, happy working this area actually. Actually our, our - we live outside town.

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?But you were being set got the monster? [Maree] Okay, have it because you have been with the company for nine years, you don't haven't experienced a real lot, but I believe you do know part of the history. Could you give us a brief background of the history of the Grafton Theatre Company? [Eric] Yes, well, it's a long history. It's possibly one of the longest histories of amateur theatre group. ?But you were being set got the monster? [Maree] Okay, have it because you have been with the company for nine years, you don't haven't experienced a real lot, but I believe you do know part of the history. Could you give us a brief background of the history of the Grafton Theatre Company? [Eric] Yes, well, it's a long history. It's possibly one of the longest histories of amateur theatre group.

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As a building, anyway. Started off just after the Second World War. As a building, anyway. Started off just after the Second World War.

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At a young men's club. At a young men's club.

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And after the the it evolved, it then became the Return Services Club. And after the the it evolved, it then became the Return Services Club.

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But the difficulty was while, this was the headquarters of the return services. Ah, one of the things they wanted to do was to organise some bowls greens, which is just on the point there down the road, down the road downstream, 100 to 200 metres. So having the bowls club located there and this being the headquarters wasn't all that terrific. [Maree] No. [Eric] So after many years of of doing. But the difficulty was while, this was the headquarters of the return services. Ah, one of the things they wanted to do was to organise some bowls greens, which is just on the point there down the road, down the road downstream, 100 to 200 metres. So having the bowls club located there and this being the headquarters wasn't all that terrific. [Maree] No. [Eric] So after many years of of doing.

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and froing. and froing.

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They decided to build the Ex services club on the point. They decided to build the Ex services club on the point.

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Which is as I said, which is 200 metres downstream from here. And the condition was that that land, of my belief is, that it was owned by the Pages of the of the district ?health page?, [Unclear] [Eric] yes. And that was given to them at a very reasonable rate to buy. Which is as I said, which is 200 metres downstream from here. And the condition was that that land, of my belief is, that it was owned by the Pages of the of the district ?health page?, [Unclear] [Eric] yes. And that was given to them at a very reasonable rate to buy.

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This building then became available. This building then became available.

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Came up for sale, I think at that point it already had been mooted to be a theatre. I suspect. Anyway... that building was started. This place was sold for families whose names escaped me and I've not been able to sort of work out who it has been gone through history books. Came up for sale, I think at that point it already had been mooted to be a theatre. I suspect. Anyway... that building was started. This place was sold for families whose names escaped me and I've not been able to sort of work out who it has been gone through history books.

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Four families mortgage their homes, raised the money. Four families mortgage their homes, raised the money.

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And bought this place for the and for the Grafton Theater Company, for the Pelican, the Pelican Playhouse. [Maree]Dedicated People. [Eric] extraordinarily so. It was a huge, a huge gamble in today's times terms. Perhaps not so much then because 35 - 40 years ago live theatre and of course Grafton had a much bigger population. And bought this place for the and for the Grafton Theater Company, for the Pelican, the Pelican Playhouse. [Maree]Dedicated People. [Eric] extraordinarily so. It was a huge, a huge gamble in today's times terms. Perhaps not so much then because 35 - 40 years ago live theatre and of course Grafton had a much bigger population.

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Of public servants, what have you? More disposable income [Maree] right. [Eric] and as such was much more viable. Of public servants, what have you? More disposable income [Maree] right. [Eric] and as such was much more viable.

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They had live theater didn't have Xboxes, [Maree] No! [Eric]didn't have the didn't have DVD, didn't have Playstations and all the other distractions. So there was quite a a very powerful ahh, move within the community for live there. We have a very good picture record of that actually and our and our books that we have here. They had live theater didn't have Xboxes, [Maree] No! [Eric]didn't have the didn't have DVD, didn't have Playstations and all the other distractions. So there was quite a a very powerful ahh, move within the community for live there. We have a very good picture record of that actually and our and our books that we have here.

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So it became the Grafton Theatre Capital, the Pelican Playhouse, Players in the Pelican Playhouse and then. So it became the Grafton Theatre Capital, the Pelican Playhouse, Players in the Pelican Playhouse and then.

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It was probably. It was probably.

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Back in the late 50s. Back in the late 50s.

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Early 60s. Early 60s.

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It changed they they were start to call themselves to Grafton Theatre Company, but it wasn't until the act that came into the incorporation of volunteers that they became the Grafton Theatre Company. They changed their name on the adoption of the of the. It changed they they were start to call themselves to Grafton Theatre Company, but it wasn't until the act that came into the incorporation of volunteers that they became the Grafton Theatre Company. They changed their name on the adoption of the of the.

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Constitution put out by the Department of Fair Trading for most small businesses. [Maree] right [Eric] Most small business operations like this that are not really a business of volunteers, but they've served the community, so they're community based. Constitution put out by the Department of Fair Trading for most small businesses. [Maree] right [Eric] Most small business operations like this that are not really a business of volunteers, but they've served the community, so they're community based.

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Community based endeavours and so they became incorporated and they called themselves then. Community based endeavours and so they became incorporated and they called themselves then.

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The Grafton Theatre Company Incorporated and the Pelican Playhouse was still its home. They changed their name from Pellican players. [Maree] yes, [Eric] Ahh, and then they had a lot of shows. A lot of shows that were hugely successful people. The Grafton Theatre Company Incorporated and the Pelican Playhouse was still its home. They changed their name from Pellican players. [Maree] yes, [Eric] Ahh, and then they had a lot of shows. A lot of shows that were hugely successful people.

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Who's who? Sort of. We have two Ken Langford. Who's who? Sort of. We have two Ken Langford.

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And Lori Romick, for instance, your life members Laurie unfortunately has has has died about. And Lori Romick, for instance, your life members Laurie unfortunately has has has died about.

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Five years ago, I think getting close to that, he's gone, but there are other people. Five years ago, I think getting close to that, he's gone, but there are other people.

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They're still around. For instance, Dorothy Hillis spelled HI double L IS and there's no relation. It's much easier for us when people ask us say yeah, she's our mum, [Maree] lovely. She wouldn't mind. [Eric] No, no, no exists. She's quite chocolate. Yes, but. They're still around. For instance, Dorothy Hillis spelled HI double L IS and there's no relation. It's much easier for us when people ask us say yeah, she's our mum, [Maree] lovely. She wouldn't mind. [Eric] No, no, no exists. She's quite chocolate. Yes, but.

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But Dorothy has written a few plays which we've put, we have put on down here, one on the other foot, exceptionally good play. But before we get to that point, it's interesting to note that there was an and person here, but I don't have Anne Stratton, who was apparently who was an excellent producer, producer perhaps questionable in other areas. But Dorothy has written a few plays which we've put, we have put on down here, one on the other foot, exceptionally good play. But before we get to that point, it's interesting to note that there was an and person here, but I don't have Anne Stratton, who was apparently who was an excellent producer, producer perhaps questionable in other areas.

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So I believe I don't know the lady, but unfortunately a schism appeared and that's where the criteria started. So I believe I don't know the lady, but unfortunately a schism appeared and that's where the criteria started.

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So that's when she put it off and then like an iceberg, unfortunately. And then after that happened, there was again more Russians, I think. So that's when she put it off and then like an iceberg, unfortunately. And then after that happened, there was again more Russians, I think.

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I think it was a situation where the fear had been here for a long time. There's been an establishment. I think it was a situation where the fear had been here for a long time. There's been an establishment.

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New people came in, chased, attitudes changed, whatever. New people came in, chased, attitudes changed, whatever.

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But then next thing we know we have another splitter group, the Clarence Allergy Theatre Society Cats and they also, they also split off from here. Later on they amalgamated or came back either to hear or the criteria. So we're back to two, but we're back to two now, which is a real shame. But then next thing we know we have another splitter group, the Clarence Allergy Theatre Society Cats and they also, they also split off from here. Later on they amalgamated or came back either to hear or the criteria. So we're back to two, but we're back to two now, which is a real shame.

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It's a shame because both venues have lots of things going for them. It's a shame because both venues have lots of things going for them.

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The others can't do I'm not having it. This this obviously is a dedicated performance space race seating and very intimate, but the criteria with this flat floor and it's raised stage has the capacity putting a lot of theatre restaurants, which you know, which is very, very well received. The others can't do I'm not having it. This this obviously is a dedicated performance space race seating and very intimate, but the criteria with this flat floor and it's raised stage has the capacity putting a lot of theatre restaurants, which you know, which is very, very well received.

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They always get good patronage and generally they're the. They always get good patronage and generally they're the.

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Like if there are excellent laugh, they get a lot of fun. I mean, but still we could, I'm sure that those sorts of things could be done elsewhere. But the rate stage and the smallness of this theatre works for it and against in some respects, for it is much as very intimate. And when you come to see performance here. Like if there are excellent laugh, they get a lot of fun. I mean, but still we could, I'm sure that those sorts of things could be done elsewhere. But the rate stage and the smallness of this theatre works for it and against in some respects, for it is much as very intimate. And when you come to see performance here.

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You're really close to it. I love the feeling when I come here. It's nice. It's very close. The performers, it's a very honest and it's, it's really, it's what theatre really is. The interaction is great. You're really close to it. I love the feeling when I come here. It's nice. It's very close. The performers, it's a very honest and it's, it's really, it's what theatre really is. The interaction is great.

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But what against against it is that you just, you just can't get enough people in here. But what against against it is that you just, you just can't get enough people in here.

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96 people is your maximum seating and but it means you run your shows a little bit longer perhaps because and that can bring that problem. 96 people is your maximum seating and but it means you run your shows a little bit longer perhaps because and that can bring that problem.

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Because everybody who works here volunteers, they're all volunteers. And so they do have lives outside the theatre and whilst raining, my partner and I are quite dedicated to theatre and. Because everybody who works here volunteers, they're all volunteers. And so they do have lives outside the theatre and whilst raining, my partner and I are quite dedicated to theatre and.

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Do what some people think rather weird things to be here to because we commit ourselves to play. Not everyone, not many other people have children without children. Do what some people think rather weird things to be here to because we commit ourselves to play. Not everyone, not many other people have children without children.

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We don't play golf or bowls or tennis. We have no other hobby except the theatre. So and your passion is about it and that's all the difference. It is a big difference and I'm not saying others are. It's just that people, they got other things in their lives too. Yeah, we have, we have quite a. We don't play golf or bowls or tennis. We have no other hobby except the theatre. So and your passion is about it and that's all the difference. It is a big difference and I'm not saying others are. It's just that people, they got other things in their lives too. Yeah, we have, we have quite a.

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Quite in the last 9-7 years, about seven years or 2001, and now it's eight years. Quite in the last 9-7 years, about seven years or 2001, and now it's eight years.

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We have probably put on about 2022 shows of which I have. We have probably put on about 2022 shows of which I have.

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Directed 17 I think it is. Directed 17 I think it is.

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Big wow. I had no idea I didn't know them. And that in this instance also means that. Big wow. I had no idea I didn't know them. And that in this instance also means that.

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I have done the sets. I have done the sets.

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Designed and built for lighting and radius generally it's back to stage. We'll do most of the ticketing and we have, we have terrific support from our members, of course, like from our committee, but that was. Designed and built for lighting and radius generally it's back to stage. We'll do most of the ticketing and we have, we have terrific support from our members, of course, like from our committee, but that was.

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Basically one year because I'm here, I'm just around the corner and I can say to Randy, well, OK, we know how much work we've got to do. I'll just look across here and put the walls up. Of course, how lovely to be able to do that. Yes, we really appreciate this. Great. But. Basically one year because I'm here, I'm just around the corner and I can say to Randy, well, OK, we know how much work we've got to do. I'll just look across here and put the walls up. Of course, how lovely to be able to do that. Yes, we really appreciate this. Great. But.

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The theater itself has been. So the theater itself has been around since as a theater. I think about 1957. The theater itself has been. So the theater itself has been around since as a theater. I think about 1957.

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So it's getting, it's getting to be quite what's 50 years old and there aren't that. There aren't that many more. So it's getting, it's getting to be quite what's 50 years old and there aren't that. There aren't that many more.

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Around in Grafton graft around in in New South Wales that can sort of a dedicated theater. I mean, there's, I mean there's plenty of CWA halls. Around in Grafton graft around in in New South Wales that can sort of a dedicated theater. I mean, there's, I mean there's plenty of CWA halls.

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Where they've done them Buller and they've done the other iconics, but it's all happening to you. It's plants. Nothing else goes on here that's right. Or theater related things. We we are currently have the high school students, the year 11 and 12 high school high school students coming in and doing their assessments here. Where they've done them Buller and they've done the other iconics, but it's all happening to you. It's plants. Nothing else goes on here that's right. Or theater related things. We we are currently have the high school students, the year 11 and 12 high school high school students coming in and doing their assessments here.

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We're more than happy to have people who are in the field of live entertainment to come and use the facilities. We're more than happy to have people who are in the field of live entertainment to come and use the facilities.

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We will. We will arrange whatever costs there are and look at what they're doing and at a very modest fee in terms of covering our everyday day costs and the the theater is available for anybody who wants to use it. That's very generous. We will. We will arrange whatever costs there are and look at what they're doing and at a very modest fee in terms of covering our everyday day costs and the the theater is available for anybody who wants to use it. That's very generous.

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He says he has such a small history, the Pelican play that came to exist in 1953. He says he has such a small history, the Pelican play that came to exist in 1953.

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The first production of the little dog laughed and in 10 years in the 10 years after 53, they had no fewer than 43 productions in 58, Deathless Salesman was entered and actually won the state drama award, so it has had a history of. The first production of the little dog laughed and in 10 years in the 10 years after 53, they had no fewer than 43 productions in 58, Deathless Salesman was entered and actually won the state drama award, so it has had a history of.

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Great performances and longevity. Great performances and longevity.

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You, you remembered 1A contest, does that happen? Do you enter competitions for a Commission? We have prior to my coming here, there was sort of people were saying that they used to and okay, well when and then you have to trim it down, you find that it was 10 or 15 years ago. You, you remembered 1A contest, does that happen? Do you enter competitions for a Commission? We have prior to my coming here, there was sort of people were saying that they used to and okay, well when and then you have to trim it down, you find that it was 10 or 15 years ago.

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We have, in fact, taken a play. We have, in fact, taken a play.

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To Cortana, which was very well received. That was called an agent of change, and then we took one scene out of. To Cortana, which was very well received. That was called an agent of change, and then we took one scene out of.

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The other woman to Coffs Harbour, again, it was like sort of dramatic competition if you want, because it was the one scene we used was all the people that were in the play were involved in that scene. Oh good, good chair. And it took and it like that little scene stood itself as a little Ginette. It was excellent and it's a great job. The other woman to Coffs Harbour, again, it was like sort of dramatic competition if you want, because it was the one scene we used was all the people that were in the play were involved in that scene. Oh good, good chair. And it took and it like that little scene stood itself as a little Ginette. It was excellent and it's a great job.

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And when you go into places like this, you walk in and of course there's nothing like the space they've got. So the, so the, the orientation for the, for the performers then is where their reference point. So this what, well, all I did was I got them in the theatre down there at Coffs Harbour. I said, just give me two spotlights in the middle. And when you go into places like this, you walk in and of course there's nothing like the space they've got. So the, so the, the orientation for the, for the performers then is where their reference point. So this what, well, all I did was I got them in the theatre down there at Coffs Harbour. I said, just give me two spotlights in the middle.

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And thou walk in and out of the light. And yeah, Oh yeah, they were quite, they were quite intrigued with with the presentation. We got some really good comments. And then recently we went up to Bellingen, not a competition, but a little festival, one act festival and with two women in the chair. And that was very well received. Yeah, the two girls that were just excellent. And thou walk in and out of the light. And yeah, Oh yeah, they were quite, they were quite intrigued with with the presentation. We got some really good comments. And then recently we went up to Bellingen, not a competition, but a little festival, one act festival and with two women in the chair. And that was very well received. Yeah, the two girls that were just excellent.

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Carla and Jeannie so. Carla and Jeannie so.

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We do, but it's the logistics is the problem when you're touring, which you're going to tour shows because we don't have any sort of vehicle but you can take sets with. We do, but it's the logistics is the problem when you're touring, which you're going to tour shows because we don't have any sort of vehicle but you can take sets with.

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And, and when I used to, when I was working with the Riverina Theatre Company way, way back in 7678 was called the River Trucking Company in those days. And, and when I used to, when I was working with the Riverina Theatre Company way, way back in 7678 was called the River Trucking Company in those days.

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We we toured shows. We we toured shows.

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And it is a big business, like it takes a lot of organizing logistically because we go from somewhere like the CWA Hall in Tumut, which was 22 foot across the proscenium like the stage if you will, up of stage to the Leighton Theatre, which is just close to 70 feet across. And somehow you we have to make it a set that would expand. And it is a big business, like it takes a lot of organizing logistically because we go from somewhere like the CWA Hall in Tumut, which was 22 foot across the proscenium like the stage if you will, up of stage to the Leighton Theatre, which is just close to 70 feet across. And somehow you we have to make it a set that would expand.

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And contract and which we did, but it was very. And contract and which we did, but it was very.

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Very big job. It was a big job and and and the the rewards you've you've really got a question. I'm I'm a similar subject to this competitions. Are there any funding arrangements available for you to apply for for this top theatre companies? Not really no, not really the council. The council has been very good in the past and as much as we've applied for and satisfied the criteria and we have. Very big job. It was a big job and and and the the rewards you've you've really got a question. I'm I'm a similar subject to this competitions. Are there any funding arrangements available for you to apply for for this top theatre companies? Not really no, not really the council. The council has been very good in the past and as much as we've applied for and satisfied the criteria and we have.

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Been granted portion if not all of our rates back. Oh lovely. Which is a motel, yeah, absolutely huge. It's a huge help unbelievable because we're our our budget constraints here are that it takes in modern day about $2000 to mount a show. So that's that's you need that to cover obviously the rights of the show. Been granted portion if not all of our rates back. Oh lovely. Which is a motel, yeah, absolutely huge. It's a huge help unbelievable because we're our our budget constraints here are that it takes in modern day about $2000 to mount a show. So that's that's you need that to cover obviously the rights of the show.

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And your publicity? And your publicity?

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They're your two major spins on the show. Your ongoing spends are your insurance. They're your two major spins on the show. Your ongoing spends are your insurance.

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Your registration and your licenses and your water, electricity and the rates. So if we can get relief from our rates, which the Council as I said has, has been more than generous in that regard. I mean, I don't know. But I mean they see it as a valuable thing and they recognize it as such, so. Your registration and your licenses and your water, electricity and the rates. So if we can get relief from our rates, which the Council as I said has, has been more than generous in that regard. I mean, I don't know. But I mean they see it as a valuable thing and they recognize it as such, so.

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It's good news. It's not as it's not as though we're getting something we don't deserve. Absolutely. You're earning it. Oh, I think so, yes, I'm sure you are, you know, But apart from that, that is everything else that we do is we raise our own money and and we just need to cover our immediate costs, which is part of that $2000 and have enough money to put on their next show. It's good news. It's not as it's not as though we're getting something we don't deserve. Absolutely. You're earning it. Oh, I think so, yes, I'm sure you are, you know, But apart from that, that is everything else that we do is we raise our own money and and we just need to cover our immediate costs, which is part of that $2000 and have enough money to put on their next show.

18:41

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So we like to have around about the 2025 hundred dollar buffer so that we know that we've got our next show and in the meantime. So we like to have around about the 2025 hundred dollar buffer so that we know that we've got our next show and in the meantime.

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We are accumulating money towards paying our insurance which is our biggest It's gone well since we've since I've been here in the nine years. I think the first time at the committee meeting with they discussed to pay insurance and it was something bad me for something like $684 and that covered basic whatever the insurance. Now we're looking at over 3000. We are accumulating money towards paying our insurance which is our biggest It's gone well since we've since I've been here in the nine years. I think the first time at the committee meeting with they discussed to pay insurance and it was something bad me for something like $684 and that covered basic whatever the insurance. Now we're looking at over 3000.

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Huge difference and and the point too from our perspective is that we are not getting anything extra for that money. Huge difference and and the point too from our perspective is that we are not getting anything extra for that money.

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And we've not made a claim and we get no relief and it's just we're working very hard, put on shows to. And we've not made a claim and we get no relief and it's just we're working very hard, put on shows to.

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Like to not, we're not not sort of be preaching to the to people, but our shows we have here, we like people walk away feeling satisfied that there are questions to be answered. We don't want it all type of nice little neat bows and and everyone laughing and eating apple pie. I mean, that's that's fine for for comedies. I think that the players that we do here. Like to not, we're not not sort of be preaching to the to people, but our shows we have here, we like people walk away feeling satisfied that there are questions to be answered. We don't want it all type of nice little neat bows and and everyone laughing and eating apple pie. I mean, that's that's fine for for comedies. I think that the players that we do here.

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We like to have a bit of guts to them. I I have shown a a preference for contemporary Australian player rights wherever I can. I've tried not to to do the Neil Simon, Noël Coward, Oscar Wilde, because travelling N your most recent one is just an example of that. Yeah yeah, obviously when the Dow kind of went to Matt and I and Dorothy was at the front breeding table and. We like to have a bit of guts to them. I I have shown a a preference for contemporary Australian player rights wherever I can. I've tried not to to do the Neil Simon, Noël Coward, Oscar Wilde, because travelling N your most recent one is just an example of that. Yeah yeah, obviously when the Dow kind of went to Matt and I and Dorothy was at the front breeding table and.

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And she made a delightful statement. She said, I love the audience because I weren't sad when he died. They laughed and I thought, what a wonderful comment. Absolutely, absolutely. And the thing that we discovered with this particular, this last play, traveling North. And she made a delightful statement. She said, I love the audience because I weren't sad when he died. They laughed and I thought, what a wonderful comment. Absolutely, absolutely. And the thing that we discovered with this particular, this last play, traveling North.

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Is that the age of our audience was slightly higher average annual say and every one of them knew exactly what they were talking about. They were said 30 years ago. And just when you look at it, it's somewhat prophetic that 37 because he wrote in 72. So 37 years ago he wrote this play. Is that the age of our audience was slightly higher average annual say and every one of them knew exactly what they were talking about. They were said 30 years ago. And just when you look at it, it's somewhat prophetic that 37 because he wrote in 72. So 37 years ago he wrote this play.

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And as just as alive and valid today, the questions are asked in 5th 37 years ago. So is he a prophet or if we don't learn anything, we just don't change? It's hard to say, but I was I really appreciate the audiences that we had this show. They just loved my dad smiling. And that's good sign. It is a good sign. And they they, they were smiling and they had good performances. They were smiling that they were made. They were they were made to laugh now. But then you know, you know that people are going to think. And as just as alive and valid today, the questions are asked in 5th 37 years ago. So is he a prophet or if we don't learn anything, we just don't change? It's hard to say, but I was I really appreciate the audiences that we had this show. They just loved my dad smiling. And that's good sign. It is a good sign. And they they, they were smiling and they had good performances. They were smiling that they were made. They were they were made to laugh now. But then you know, you know that people are going to think.

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Yeah, just like traveling N isn't it? It's almost deja vu when they talk to people about how their parents are going to sell up and and travel and their or their mother is going to do this. And because there were women, there were women in the audience and you could and they were saying, that's my daughter. Yeah, just like traveling N isn't it? It's almost deja vu when they talk to people about how their parents are going to sell up and and travel and their or their mother is going to do this. And because there were women, there were women in the audience and you could and they were saying, that's my daughter.

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Especially Helen, the one with the voice like cross cuts off. Carlyle was brilliant. Yeah, it was very, very good. Eric, on average, how many applies to you? Do you do it here? Set number. Especially Helen, the one with the voice like cross cuts off. Carlyle was brilliant. Yeah, it was very, very good. Eric, on average, how many applies to you? Do you do it here? Set number.

22:19

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We would like to do 4 right and we could easily do 4 except. We would like to do 4 right and we could easily do 4 except.

22:28

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I'm currently on the only person that's showing any interest to direct the players and I just ran out of steam because it takes me. It takes me about 16 weeks to find a play from the time I find it the time it actually goes on. I'm currently on the only person that's showing any interest to direct the players and I just ran out of steam because it takes me. It takes me about 16 weeks to find a play from the time I find it the time it actually goes on.

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And so that obviously means that while I'm directing this play, I'm now reading other plays for the next production. They overlap. And at 14 week spells, there's, there's three players a year because you just can't. You've got a you've got a discount places like Easter because of holidays and and new Christmas, new year, you lose, you lose weeks there. And so that obviously means that while I'm directing this play, I'm now reading other plays for the next production. They overlap. And at 14 week spells, there's, there's three players a year because you just can't. You've got a you've got a discount places like Easter because of holidays and and new Christmas, new year, you lose, you lose weeks there.

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Generally so if you. Generally so if you.

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If you say you've got sort of 42 weeks in which to put the flares on and 3 * 40 to 42, so it works out nicely, but you've also got to slot into the criteria and you have other considerations that as to whether it's like you've got to think, is it worth putting on a plate in the Jacaranda weekend? Yes, it's hard to know. There's enough people to go around. If you say you've got sort of 42 weeks in which to put the flares on and 3 * 40 to 42, so it works out nicely, but you've also got to slot into the criteria and you have other considerations that as to whether it's like you've got to think, is it worth putting on a plate in the Jacaranda weekend? Yes, it's hard to know. There's enough people to go around.

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Is there going to be people who come into town to Jack rounding? Look at this, there's a plot. We'll go and see that. Or they're so committed to the whole concept of Jacaranda thing. Is there going to be people who come into town to Jack rounding? Look at this, there's a plot. We'll go and see that. Or they're so committed to the whole concept of Jacaranda thing.

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The best hour we might bother going sweet would be similar to you'd have to yeah. Ask yourself, do you if you if like if I was a criterion because I would we could do a restaurant, theater, restaurant thing. Absolutely. You'd whack on something. You'd make sure you had something for those weeks. But from our perspective here, the thoughts are blaze. It's it's a little it's a little more difficult. The best hour we might bother going sweet would be similar to you'd have to yeah. Ask yourself, do you if you if like if I was a criterion because I would we could do a restaurant, theater, restaurant thing. Absolutely. You'd whack on something. You'd make sure you had something for those weeks. But from our perspective here, the thoughts are blaze. It's it's a little it's a little more difficult.

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Because the things we do here is just a tad more cerebral, I guess. Because the things we do here is just a tad more cerebral, I guess.

24:23

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I'm looking here now, we're surrounded by all your props and all your wardrobes. And so how does that gather? Does it Master John nurses or do you have to put that money for things or most of, in fact, all of the clothes and things you see, costume you see, have been donated. I'm looking here now, we're surrounded by all your props and all your wardrobes. And so how does that gather? Does it Master John nurses or do you have to put that money for things or most of, in fact, all of the clothes and things you see, costume you see, have been donated.

24:46

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Most of the furniture has been done. All of the furniture has been donated. Most of the furniture has been done. All of the furniture has been donated.

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We we live on the generosity. We we live on the generosity.

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Not just about patrons, but also of friends. Definitely friends. Isn't that wonderful? It's fantastic, Yes, Yeah, it really is fantastic. We have a lot of people that sort of, we don't know them in, in, in like I'm talking now from the theatres point of view, but they support us. It's great. And what about site costs and not what about, say, makeup and hairdos and that to the show? Not just about patrons, but also of friends. Definitely friends. Isn't that wonderful? It's fantastic, Yes, Yeah, it really is fantastic. We have a lot of people that sort of, we don't know them in, in, in like I'm talking now from the theatres point of view, but they support us. It's great. And what about site costs and not what about, say, makeup and hairdos and that to the show?

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Do people just do their own thing with that? Do people just do their own thing with that?

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They do indeed. And I tried, I tried to discourage. I tried to discourage it in lots of ways because. They do indeed. And I tried, I tried to discourage. I tried to discourage it in lots of ways because.

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When I started off in the theater years and years ago in Wagga Wagga, the first thing I was in was. When I started off in the theater years and years ago in Wagga Wagga, the first thing I was in was.

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It was, oh, yes, it was Camelot. Oh, lovely. That's right. And I was Dab, or Dab I think his name was. Anyway. And there was this constant running around, people looking for makeup. Now, the theater, the Pacific theater with this theater is huge. I mean, it might hold. It was, oh, yes, it was Camelot. Oh, lovely. That's right. And I was Dab, or Dab I think his name was. Anyway. And there was this constant running around, people looking for makeup. Now, the theater, the Pacific theater with this theater is huge. I mean, it might hold.

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500 people maybe the law is very big. So and I kept saying, what? What did he make up for? What do you need that stuff for? And they said, and then I always explained to me that people off the back want to see so you can have the makeup to to emphasize your eyes and your cheeks. And I thought, oh, OK, OK. 500 people maybe the law is very big. So and I kept saying, what? What did he make up for? What do you need that stuff for? And they said, and then I always explained to me that people off the back want to see so you can have the makeup to to emphasize your eyes and your cheeks. And I thought, oh, OK, OK.

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And then with the graph and theater captain here, of course, there's much more intimate than that. And then with the graph and theater captain here, of course, there's much more intimate than that.

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Unless we had a specific purpose like a neither person need a black eye or a scar. Unless we had a specific purpose like a neither person need a black eye or a scar.

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F that's right, I was quite determined to dispense with maker heavy makeup and and specialty like you know, the hairdos effects, keep it as natural as possible, and I've continued to hear. So whilst at first, once you get makeup made-up, that's their business, but they're if they're going to get made-up. F that's right, I was quite determined to dispense with maker heavy makeup and and specialty like you know, the hairdos effects, keep it as natural as possible, and I've continued to hear. So whilst at first, once you get makeup made-up, that's their business, but they're if they're going to get made-up.

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That takes me an hour and I want them here at 7:00. The show starts at 8. I'll get here at six. They'll make themselves up at their own time because, you know, because it's just, you don't really need it. You don't. And I suppose a lot of the place people can just wear their own clothes and now they're going to fit. I mean, unless we, again, unless we have like when we did. That takes me an hour and I want them here at 7:00. The show starts at 8. I'll get here at six. They'll make themselves up at their own time because, you know, because it's just, you don't really need it. You don't. And I suppose a lot of the place people can just wear their own clothes and now they're going to fit. I mean, unless we, again, unless we have like when we did.

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The Scottish play. The Scottish play.

27:22

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We had to have Ron Smythe. We had to have Ron Smythe.

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Best thing is ever done, I reckon. He plays some knives and played Nigel whatever anyway, but we had to have him come out in sort of a Shakespearean type. We have. We have to look around here we have one of those silly cow pat hats and the big. Best thing is ever done, I reckon. He plays some knives and played Nigel whatever anyway, but we had to have him come out in sort of a Shakespearean type. We have. We have to look around here we have one of those silly cow pat hats and the big.

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Doublet Oh yes, these are pretty yeah, with the poke and the and the swords get pegged on his legs and and these his tights. Yeah, yes, and his tights and and there's and we got a war here and lovely. I look fantastic, excellent, excellent. And our Darth Vader suit and we need some Darth Vader. We had costumes from a previous show. The other woman was just a black shift. Doublet Oh yes, these are pretty yeah, with the poke and the and the swords get pegged on his legs and and these his tights. Yeah, yes, and his tights and and there's and we got a war here and lovely. I look fantastic, excellent, excellent. And our Darth Vader suit and we need some Darth Vader. We had costumes from a previous show. The other woman was just a black shift.

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We had capes so yeah. So that was from Hester villain the case and if we if we need to. We had capes so yeah. So that was from Hester villain the case and if we if we need to.

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We will make like the curtains for instance, we'll make curtains if we need the specialty curtains or backdrops and things, we'll we'll keep them. And what about backgrounds that need to be painted? If you've got people that can paint, I mean they trees and stuff. Yeah, Yeah, it was Dave, Dave Funnel from out Copenhagen way. He has done a lot of backdrop painting for us. Brilliant job. I don't be sure educating reader. No, I didn't. OK, well, educating. We will make like the curtains for instance, we'll make curtains if we need the specialty curtains or backdrops and things, we'll we'll keep them. And what about backgrounds that need to be painted? If you've got people that can paint, I mean they trees and stuff. Yeah, Yeah, it was Dave, Dave Funnel from out Copenhagen way. He has done a lot of backdrop painting for us. Brilliant job. I don't be sure educating reader. No, I didn't. OK, well, educating.

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This particularly terrific job we did there good. And we've used that backdrop several times. But this time round, Rainy painted the the tabs that had the flowers that dropped down the screen. We had that player here. We have a rock wall which we've and and we've got Rockwall and tabs that we can make like a castle out of and we've painted them here. But yeah, so there are people that most people are capping the volunteer to do things. This particularly terrific job we did there good. And we've used that backdrop several times. But this time round, Rainy painted the the tabs that had the flowers that dropped down the screen. We had that player here. We have a rock wall which we've and and we've got Rockwall and tabs that we can make like a castle out of and we've painted them here. But yeah, so there are people that most people are capping the volunteer to do things.

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As long as they're told what to do. As long as they're told what to do.

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I need direction and that's you. Yeah, generally, yeah, 'cause we have within our minds, I think we need to do this and if we don't know how to do it, we'll work out as we go along. It's 10:00. You've got a happy group and the good working relationship would would be essential. It is essential because when I first came here there was, there was quite a, quite a bit of, of ruckus within the committee itself. I need direction and that's you. Yeah, generally, yeah, 'cause we have within our minds, I think we need to do this and if we don't know how to do it, we'll work out as we go along. It's 10:00. You've got a happy group and the good working relationship would would be essential. It is essential because when I first came here there was, there was quite a, quite a bit of, of ruckus within the committee itself.

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Now they were almost basically dysfunctional, and they really didn't have. Now they were almost basically dysfunctional, and they really didn't have.

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Didn't have a show. Didn't have a show.

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For I think I can't really, I don't really know without putting on sort of one show a year and and the discussion that I distinctly remember. For I think I can't really, I don't really know without putting on sort of one show a year and and the discussion that I distinctly remember.

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Was the wonder part of the show? So well, let's see what we can see, the various people that are old standing members of the committee. So I do their purses and bags. What have you pulled out their Diaries? Was the wonder part of the show? So well, let's see what we can see, the various people that are old standing members of the committee. So I do their purses and bags. What have you pulled out their Diaries?

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Yes, and start saying things. Well I'm going away. No, can't do it that weekend. We can't do it that weekend and I'm going to New South. Well I'm going to WA, I'm going and this is this and I said well, OK, so on the base of what I've heard here, now we've got between the 12th and the 18th of September to put his show on. I said that's it, you got six days, everything else is taken. I said this. Why? Why? Because you know, you've got to, we've got to consider the criterion. We've got to consider the school holidays, we've got to consider Easter. Yes, and start saying things. Well I'm going away. No, can't do it that weekend. We can't do it that weekend and I'm going to New South. Well I'm going to WA, I'm going and this is this and I said well, OK, so on the base of what I've heard here, now we've got between the 12th and the 18th of September to put his show on. I said that's it, you got six days, everything else is taken. I said this. Why? Why? Because you know, you've got to, we've got to consider the criterion. We've got to consider the school holidays, we've got to consider Easter.

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We've got to consider race weekend, we have to consider Christmas, we've got to consider people going on leave. So on my no, that's right. So I said, well, you know, from my, from my perspective, bit like this Field of Dreams, you know, if you build it, they'll come. If you say you're going to do it and you do it, then the people will be here. Rather than ask them, can they, you say this is what you want to do. If you get enough people, then we'll do it And, and. We've got to consider race weekend, we have to consider Christmas, we've got to consider people going on leave. So on my no, that's right. So I said, well, you know, from my, from my perspective, bit like this Field of Dreams, you know, if you build it, they'll come. If you say you're going to do it and you do it, then the people will be here. Rather than ask them, can they, you say this is what you want to do. If you get enough people, then we'll do it And, and.

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So from my perspective, it's been a relatively full successful formula. So from my perspective, it's been a relatively full successful formula.

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Now, what about the future? What do you say? Any changes or some what do you think? Well, I hope there'll be changes. I hope they'll be changed. I'm really hoping someone will come along and say I've got a great idea for a play and I'd like to direct it. And I'd like to see three or four people come along, so we have to put their names in the hat and ballot them. Now, what about the future? What do you say? Any changes or some what do you think? Well, I hope there'll be changes. I hope they'll be changed. I'm really hoping someone will come along and say I've got a great idea for a play and I'd like to direct it. And I'd like to see three or four people come along, so we have to put their names in the hat and ballot them.

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That would be that to my mind, that would be the pinnacle of, of success of the theatre, to have that many people who want to put on plays and hopefully it will change. It has to change. You can't stay the same. I, I can keep doing what I do, but again, now I've got very flexible and I can, I can change the point of view and point of attack. I can, I'm quite capable of. That would be that to my mind, that would be the pinnacle of, of success of the theatre, to have that many people who want to put on plays and hopefully it will change. It has to change. You can't stay the same. I, I can keep doing what I do, but again, now I've got very flexible and I can, I can change the point of view and point of attack. I can, I'm quite capable of.

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Being sort of a man for all season, if you will, in terms of directing plays one way or another. But generally it comes down that people come and say, Oh yes, well, that's Eric play. Well, you don't want that. You want people coming along and say, who did that? That was great. You know, you want to continue to surprise and and pleasantly say, oh, look. Being sort of a man for all season, if you will, in terms of directing plays one way or another. But generally it comes down that people come and say, Oh yes, well, that's Eric play. Well, you don't want that. You want people coming along and say, who did that? That was great. You know, you want to continue to surprise and and pleasantly say, oh, look.

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Not always pleasantly, but surprise people and to to give them something to come back for, you know? Not always pleasantly, but surprise people and to to give them something to come back for, you know?

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Chocolate in the world, but you know, something like licorice. So somebody did come in next week and said that direct the next play. What would be your role? What would you do as as it stands on the artistic director? So I look at the play that they're saying they're going to direct and I'd say excellent. Chocolate in the world, but you know, something like licorice. So somebody did come in next week and said that direct the next play. What would be your role? What would you do as as it stands on the artistic director? So I look at the play that they're saying they're going to direct and I'd say excellent.

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OK, fine. What what would you like me to do? So it might mean that they would ask me to organise the set to be built or to organise the lighting or whatever. And, and that's what I would do. I would recommend to the committee that that person's submission to put on the play be accepted and they, they would then get all the assistance that we can give them. OK, fine. What what would you like me to do? So it might mean that they would ask me to organise the set to be built or to organise the lighting or whatever. And, and that's what I would do. I would recommend to the committee that that person's submission to put on the play be accepted and they, they would then get all the assistance that we can give them.

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In terms of the production, so I basically then Randy and I would form the base of the production team and we'd recruit the other people that we would need for advertising, said building, lighting, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff. In terms of the production, so I basically then Randy and I would form the base of the production team and we'd recruit the other people that we would need for advertising, said building, lighting, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff.

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As easy as possible for the director, because First off. As easy as possible for the director, because First off.

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If they've just came in off the street or just knew, they're not going to know the INS and outs of the theater. No. And it's not reasonable to to expect them to do the same job that I do. So they've got a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah. And so Rainy and I and the rest of the committee would be behind them And and we and they by rights, they wouldn't have to worry about if they get the rights to play because that's, that's our job to do that. That's the committee's job to do that. If they've just came in off the street or just knew, they're not going to know the INS and outs of the theater. No. And it's not reasonable to to expect them to do the same job that I do. So they've got a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah. And so Rainy and I and the rest of the committee would be behind them And and we and they by rights, they wouldn't have to worry about if they get the rights to play because that's, that's our job to do that. That's the committee's job to do that.

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Or with the sets going to be built, or if the light is going to be right or the sound's going to be right. So what the what the director says to us is this the play I want to produce? I'll do it this way. Or with the sets going to be built, or if the light is going to be right or the sound's going to be right. So what the what the director says to us is this the play I want to produce? I'll do it this way.

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It might be, say, Much Ado About Nothing. Yes, Shakespeare. And he's gonna set it in the 1930s from Chicago era. It might be, say, Much Ado About Nothing. Yes, Shakespeare. And he's gonna set it in the 1930s from Chicago era.

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So that's just great. Good. It's got good ideas. He's gonna do it. This. How you gonna handle this scene? Well, that's his business. So that's just great. Good. It's got good ideas. He's gonna do it. This. How you gonna handle this scene? Well, that's his business.

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We look at his, I mean, if he's a first time director, then we look at the difficulty of the play he's doing and maybe come up with some suggestions if he needed them. But he's gotta be able to. That person has to be clearly demonstrate that I've got a clear vision. We look at his, I mean, if he's a first time director, then we look at the difficulty of the play he's doing and maybe come up with some suggestions if he needed them. But he's gotta be able to. That person has to be clearly demonstrate that I've got a clear vision.

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Of what the players going to be like and having having satisfied us in that way. Of what the players going to be like and having having satisfied us in that way.

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Then we'd say fine. So do you want a soundtrack? Yes. Then we'd say fine. So do you want a soundtrack? Yes.

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Same four act one I want. Same four act one I want.

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Money, money, money. And we would get, we, we would organize soundtrack for it. So if he, if he, if he or she, if that director had their own facilities, then they would do it. That's fine. If not, then we have the facilities to make those recordings and make a CD. We can do that. You mentioned earlier how Dorothy Hillis has presented sometimes and there are many other local people doing that. Money, money, money. And we would get, we, we would organize soundtrack for it. So if he, if he, if he or she, if that director had their own facilities, then they would do it. That's fine. If not, then we have the facilities to make those recordings and make a CD. We can do that. You mentioned earlier how Dorothy Hillis has presented sometimes and there are many other local people doing that.

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There there is. There's only one other that I know, actually two others who there's Peter Lands has written a thing called. There there is. There's only one other that I know, actually two others who there's Peter Lands has written a thing called.

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The other trend, Cow Towers, it's very, it's very good play. And we we did it, we workshopped a bit of it here and he's rewritten it and yes, it's very interesting. The other trend, Cow Towers, it's very, it's very good play. And we we did it, we workshopped a bit of it here and he's rewritten it and yes, it's very interesting.

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Ron Gibson from McLean has written some excellent one act plays. Ron Gibson from McLean has written some excellent one act plays.

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Which he which he allowed us to to have an afternoon with reading, play reading. Which he which he allowed us to to have an afternoon with reading, play reading.

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And. And.

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He's also written a couple of big ones, ones India, which is an Australian version. Macbeth. He's also written a couple of big ones, ones India, which is an Australian version. Macbeth.

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It's it's yeah. Like it's bigger than Ben Hur. It's it's yeah. Like it's bigger than Ben Hur.

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It's a huge play. Yeah, it's a huge play. Yes. Make the Opera House. Well, basically, yes, you would. And the other thing 'cause the constraints we have in this theatre is that we generally can't fly scenery. So, and we're very restricted how we can stack it. So we have a, a, a scene dock at the back where you just trundle in scenes in and out. So the organization of our plays. It's a huge play. Yeah, it's a huge play. Yes. Make the Opera House. Well, basically, yes, you would. And the other thing 'cause the constraints we have in this theatre is that we generally can't fly scenery. So, and we're very restricted how we can stack it. So we have a, a, a scene dock at the back where you just trundle in scenes in and out. So the organization of our plays.

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Has been a creditor design really that we've been about playing do the plays in the fullness of their play itself and have the scene. I mean, the last play people probably aren't aware they were aware of the scene changed that there's thirty of them. Gosh, I would never guess that that's right. The audience is not aware of just how many. There's this 30 cent when I think about yes. Has been a creditor design really that we've been about playing do the plays in the fullness of their play itself and have the scene. I mean, the last play people probably aren't aware they were aware of the scene changed that there's thirty of them. Gosh, I would never guess that that's right. The audience is not aware of just how many. There's this 30 cent when I think about yes.

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'Cause there were lots of very short, short passages. Yeah, right. This is right. And the, the performance is just extraordinary to to subject themselves to that sort of catch almost from them is staccato. They sort of never really get they never wind up. They've got a they've got to sort of hit the road running, get the point for that scene across close. Another one comes along. It's it's, it's chopping and changing and and you can see how this actual play. 'Cause there were lots of very short, short passages. Yeah, right. This is right. And the, the performance is just extraordinary to to subject themselves to that sort of catch almost from them is staccato. They sort of never really get they never wind up. They've got a they've got to sort of hit the road running, get the point for that scene across close. Another one comes along. It's it's, it's chopping and changing and and you can see how this actual play.

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Was, in my opinion, written with television in mind. Was, in my opinion, written with television in mind.

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So you could just change your camera angle. That's right, just just fired out slow dissolve, come back up to a new scene. And so then the segues are much easier here. But again, if you have strong performances and and honesty in the in the actors, those those things. So you could just change your camera angle. That's right, just just fired out slow dissolve, come back up to a new scene. And so then the segues are much easier here. But again, if you have strong performances and and honesty in the in the actors, those those things.

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The the how pretty or how we we like how our sets pretty. The the how pretty or how we we like how our sets pretty.

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But more importantly, they have to be functional so every all our sets work. When you open the doors or windows, nothing rattles or falls off. But more importantly, they have to be functional so every all our sets work. When you open the doors or windows, nothing rattles or falls off.

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All those sorts of things, you know, but Dorothy's Dorothy has had, she actually won an award for a thing called Moonlight on the Clarence, a literary award which has been performed foot rot flats, root rot, raunch, I think it was called like similar to foot rock flats. All those sorts of things, you know, but Dorothy's Dorothy has had, she actually won an award for a thing called Moonlight on the Clarence, a literary award which has been performed foot rot flats, root rot, raunch, I think it was called like similar to foot rock flats.

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She's written thing called the corner Table, which we have done here, and the other woman, which she has done here. She has written two more, one called Mother-in-law from Hell, which. She's written thing called the corner Table, which we have done here, and the other woman, which she has done here. She has written two more, one called Mother-in-law from Hell, which.

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I've read it several times. In my opinion it needs a little bit of work, but anyway, but and also welcome which is a very interesting story. I've read it several times. In my opinion it needs a little bit of work, but anyway, but and also welcome which is a very interesting story.

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That could like this definitely. That could like this definitely.

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I've sort of framed here and grafted it, but I guess really any country town similar. So it's quite prolific in her writing. And her writing from a director's point of view is an is an absolute pleasure because her experience in the theater means that she doesn't write impossible scenes. I've sort of framed here and grafted it, but I guess really any country town similar. So it's quite prolific in her writing. And her writing from a director's point of view is an is an absolute pleasure because her experience in the theater means that she doesn't write impossible scenes.

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Things that count me that you that you need to have the mechanism of of JC Williamson put into place very, very, very few stage directions. Things that count me that you that you need to have the mechanism of of JC Williamson put into place very, very, very few stage directions.

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She is quite, she's quite emphatic on what they say, which is important because it's her story. You can change it a little bit with consultation. She is quite, she's quite emphatic on what they say, which is important because it's her story. You can change it a little bit with consultation.

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Not a lot, but you'd have generally don't need to and and we on when we had on the other foot with Dorothy, it was a little unbalanced, but that was okay. But the first time performance Jackson Pereira came on stage to do his do his bit of Jack and Dorothy thought, wow, this is good. So she asked me, do you think we could have another scene in Act 2 for Jason? Not a lot, but you'd have generally don't need to and and we on when we had on the other foot with Dorothy, it was a little unbalanced, but that was okay. But the first time performance Jackson Pereira came on stage to do his do his bit of Jack and Dorothy thought, wow, this is good. So she asked me, do you think we could have another scene in Act 2 for Jason?

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Jazz needs to fly bird the mountain. That's right. So I said definitely. So that was on the Tuesday, the Thursday. She's come back with just extraordinary little 2 1/2 page scene. And it was, and I balanced the play beautifully. It was just, it was. Yeah. So she's very, very, very flexible. Yes, yes. Great. That's great. That's good. You're lucky to have her. She's a great asset. Like the sound of it. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Jazz needs to fly bird the mountain. That's right. So I said definitely. So that was on the Tuesday, the Thursday. She's come back with just extraordinary little 2 1/2 page scene. And it was, and I balanced the play beautifully. It was just, it was. Yeah. So she's very, very, very flexible. Yes, yes. Great. That's great. That's good. You're lucky to have her. She's a great asset. Like the sound of it. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

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Now, Eric, we're probably. Now, Eric, we're probably.

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Done the past, the present and the future now to wrap up this is there anything you'd long side to encompass the whole deal? Yeah, it's just we the people here in in Grafton but. Done the past, the present and the future now to wrap up this is there anything you'd long side to encompass the whole deal? Yeah, it's just we the people here in in Grafton but.

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Seem to have lost. Seem to have lost.

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The knowledge of theatre it seems, but but it's just not Grafton. It's a shame. I don't know where it began or where it started. I as a child, I mean I'm 66 now. So as a child I was very much aware of life, theatre and, and you went to the theatre, you went to the cinema to see movies, you went to the theatre to see plays. The knowledge of theatre it seems, but but it's just not Grafton. It's a shame. I don't know where it began or where it started. I as a child, I mean I'm 66 now. So as a child I was very much aware of life, theatre and, and you went to the theatre, you went to the cinema to see movies, you went to the theatre to see plays.

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And that was always a distinction in in our minds. And the theater was around in country, NSW, Victoria I should say, where I was born. And that was always a distinction in in our minds. And the theater was around in country, NSW, Victoria I should say, where I was born.

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And then down to Melbourne and then country NSW. We toured around there with the Grafton Theatre Company for a couple of years and there was theatre happening and people come and see the theatre now of course we said all on TV or well, it seems, it seems to. And and yet it continually astounds me, the people who come to see live theatre and they've seen, they've seen the movies. And then down to Melbourne and then country NSW. We toured around there with the Grafton Theatre Company for a couple of years and there was theatre happening and people come and see the theatre now of course we said all on TV or well, it seems, it seems to. And and yet it continually astounds me, the people who come to see live theatre and they've seen, they've seen the movies.

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And that like, for instance, the club, there's some young people. And that like, for instance, the club, there's some young people.

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I think it's about 12 of them from that year. The Williams and the club was prescribed reading in their English. They came to see it and they'd seen the movie and they couldn't believe how much better it was. Real life. What a good result. It was a fantastic result. And this is always available to people who just make the effort. But you do. You don't have to dress up to go to theatre. I think it's about 12 of them from that year. The Williams and the club was prescribed reading in their English. They came to see it and they'd seen the movie and they couldn't believe how much better it was. Real life. What a good result. It was a fantastic result. And this is always available to people who just make the effort. But you do. You don't have to dress up to go to theatre.

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It's not a big deal. You can walk in in your in your thongs and and rugs if you want to T-shirt. It's not a big deal. You can walk in in your in your thongs and and rugs if you want to T-shirt.

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And I mean, it's not a big deal. It's not, it's not. There's no, no. And I mean, it's not a big deal. It's not, it's not. There's no, no.

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What they're missing, I think, which is it is and that that's I guess that's why I would like I would like to see. I would like to see more people appreciate the and for a variety of reasons, not the least being as I think the people that perform deserve to be deserve the work because they do a lot of work. What they're missing, I think, which is it is and that that's I guess that's why I would like I would like to see. I would like to see more people appreciate the and for a variety of reasons, not the least being as I think the people that perform deserve to be deserve the work because they do a lot of work.

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So do and it's. So do and it's.

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And it is an experience. And it is an experience.

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That. That.

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Yeah, that's a good way to finish up. And thank you very much, Eric. It's been a wonderful interview and we'll finish up there. Excellent, excellent. Yeah, that's a good way to finish up. And thank you very much, Eric. It's been a wonderful interview and we'll finish up there. Excellent, excellent.

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