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Well, here we are at Eileen Taylors house at 136 Allen St. Grafton. This is Bill Doherty interviewing Eileen Joan. Eileen Joan Taylor. Hermate name was Dale Bill. Get it right. Hi, Arlene. Yep. Hello, Bill. How are you? Pleased to see you here. And thank you for taking this, agreeing to be part of this celebration. That's fine. Well, here we are at Eileen Taylors house at 136 Allen St. Grafton. This is Bill Doherty interviewing Eileen Joan. Eileen Joan Taylor. Hermate name was Dale Bill. Get it right. Hi, Arlene. Yep. Hello, Bill. How are you? Pleased to see you here. And thank you for taking this, agreeing to be part of this celebration. That's fine.
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The I'm looking here the date of your birth 19/27. The I'm looking here the date of your birth 19/27.
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I didn't realize you'd gone past 80. Oh, yes, I've got my OBE. You know what that is? Yes. Yes. Am I allowed to say it? I didn't realize you'd gone past 80. Oh, yes, I've got my OBE. You know what that is? Yes. Yes. Am I allowed to say it?
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This is marvelous. I then you look so sprightly. I guess coming up and down these stairs of yours is keeping you fit too. And you were born in Grafton. I was born in Grafton at I called a chair and private hospital. But actually on this McKnight and I think half the people my age in Grafton were born at did I stay married? I mean. This is marvelous. I then you look so sprightly. I guess coming up and down these stairs of yours is keeping you fit too. And you were born in Grafton. I was born in Grafton at I called a chair and private hospital. But actually on this McKnight and I think half the people my age in Grafton were born at did I stay married? I mean.
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Now you said Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yes. Well, anyway, I was born on the 13th of December. And so by the time I, my mother came out of hospital, I was a wonderful Christmas present. Oh, weren't you? Yes. And that'd be right. I bet Sandy came with toys and battles and stuff because you were the first born in the family. And your dad, at that time, your dad. Now you said Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yes. Well, anyway, I was born on the 13th of December. And so by the time I, my mother came out of hospital, I was a wonderful Christmas present. Oh, weren't you? Yes. And that'd be right. I bet Sandy came with toys and battles and stuff because you were the first born in the family. And your dad, at that time, your dad.
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Early, early day as I knew him. Ernest Edward. Early, early day as I knew him. Ernest Edward.
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And your mother, Kathleen? That's right. Yes. Now Kathleen was a Graham, right? That's your mother. Yeah. And we'll go back a bit there because I've had a look at your ancestry and it is just so wonderful. It is just you've got a bit of everything. You would get free admission to the United Nations. And your mother, Kathleen? That's right. Yes. Now Kathleen was a Graham, right? That's your mother. Yeah. And we'll go back a bit there because I've had a look at your ancestry and it is just so wonderful. It is just you've got a bit of everything. You would get free admission to the United Nations.
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Well, we're all European, so. And your mother. But your mother wasn't a grip she was born in. Well, we're all European, so. And your mother. But your mother wasn't a grip she was born in.
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Mum was born at Parramatta, but her mother came from Grafton. Yes, Rose was born in Grafton and then she met John Graham and they moved to Sydney. His people had a cordial manufacturing business there. And then when he died a mum grandma came back and she'd been, she was she born and yes, she was born in Grafton 18. Mum was born at Parramatta, but her mother came from Grafton. Yes, Rose was born in Grafton and then she met John Graham and they moved to Sydney. His people had a cordial manufacturing business there. And then when he died a mum grandma came back and she'd been, she was she born and yes, she was born in Grafton 18.
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74 you've got here. So Gee, that was wow, you've got a long time. You're 130 years plus in Grafton. Oh, wait a minute. But on your father's side. Now this is interesting. Your father's father, your grandfather was offended. Was he Finland? Yes, he came from Roma. From Roma. Roma RAUMA, they call it Roma. 74 you've got here. So Gee, that was wow, you've got a long time. You're 130 years plus in Grafton. Oh, wait a minute. But on your father's side. Now this is interesting. Your father's father, your grandfather was offended. Was he Finland? Yes, he came from Roma. From Roma. Roma RAUMA, they call it Roma.
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I call it Roma. I call it Roma.
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Yeah, I see. And I love his name. He was written down here. Tell us again his proper name is. Yeah, I see. And I love his name. He was written down here. Tell us again his proper name is.
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But then when he became naturalized, he just became William Morris. Daly left off the ground and just left it out. But then when he became naturalized, he just became William Morris. Daly left off the ground and just left it out.
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And that happened back in 1892. He was naturalized. So when was he born there? He got it somewhere here then. Yeah. Born in 1854. So what brought him to Australia? Can understand Irish and English coming, but Finnish, well, we don't really know why. We could just presume that there was a a bit of unrest in in that area. And that happened back in 1892. He was naturalized. So when was he born there? He got it somewhere here then. Yeah. Born in 1854. So what brought him to Australia? Can understand Irish and English coming, but Finnish, well, we don't really know why. We could just presume that there was a a bit of unrest in in that area.
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Finland's been very unlucky. They've been taken over by Russia and Sweden and different countries. Finland's been very unlucky. They've been taken over by Russia and Sweden and different countries.
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And nobody really knows. There is a bit in my book, my history, familiar family history book. Well, why? But it was all conjectured. We didn't really know why. Just presume that he arrived in Australia and he liked it. So he's he, he left the boat. And nobody really knows. There is a bit in my book, my history, familiar family history book. Well, why? But it was all conjectured. We didn't really know why. Just presume that he arrived in Australia and he liked it. So he's he, he left the boat.
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That he came on a sailing ship it was, and he settled in Sydney. That he came on a sailing ship it was, and he settled in Sydney.
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And he used to come up with the North Coast Steam Navigation Company and the boats used to come all the way up to Grafton in those days and he was part of the crew. He was a sailor. Well then he studied in Sydney and he got his Master Mariners certificate or whatever it was. And he used to come up with the North Coast Steam Navigation Company and the boats used to come all the way up to Grafton in those days and he was part of the crew. He was a sailor. Well then he studied in Sydney and he got his Master Mariners certificate or whatever it was.
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And coming when he came up here, he must have met clearer Clara Blizzard. He became his wife and they moved to Sydney, but they ended up coming back to Grafton too. We like Grafton. It's happening in your family because it also happened with your mother and father. Your father born Grafton and moved to Tamworth and then. And coming when he came up here, he must have met clearer Clara Blizzard. He became his wife and they moved to Sydney, but they ended up coming back to Grafton too. We like Grafton. It's happening in your family because it also happened with your mother and father. Your father born Grafton and moved to Tamworth and then.
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He came back, they came back, they all came back, we all came back. Mum and dad, they never ever sell their house. They lived in around there in Pound Street and they always kept their home. He came back, they came back, they all came back, we all came back. Mum and dad, they never ever sell their house. They lived in around there in Pound Street and they always kept their home.
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For retirement, yes, yes. So that's why they came back. Well, then I left here when I was 11 and went up to Tamworth and I met Alex and we were married and I moved to where is Creek with him and we're on holidays at Sauteland. There was a place in the paper advertising a position and he took, he plied and he got that position. So. For retirement, yes, yes. So that's why they came back. Well, then I left here when I was 11 and went up to Tamworth and I met Alex and we were married and I moved to where is Creek with him and we're on holidays at Sauteland. There was a place in the paper advertising a position and he took, he plied and he got that position. So.
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In Grafton, so I moved back to Grafton and then when mum and dad retired they came back to graffiti. In Grafton, so I moved back to Grafton and then when mum and dad retired they came back to graffiti.
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So you were here then, you and your husband Alec and that marriage of yours was where you made a note of it here somewhere. You were married in San was Creek? No, no, 17th of September 49 at Saint Nicholas Church in 49 at Tamworth. OK. But Alex was was in charge of the electrical undertaking at where is Creek. So I moved down there with him right and then? So you were here then, you and your husband Alec and that marriage of yours was where you made a note of it here somewhere. You were married in San was Creek? No, no, 17th of September 49 at Saint Nicholas Church in 49 at Tamworth. OK. But Alex was was in charge of the electrical undertaking at where is Creek. So I moved down there with him right and then?
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On holiday. So I told back the Grafton. Now in your own family you had brothers, three brothers, three brothers and one of them who's predeceased you. Yes, Colin. Colin. He had a very prominent position. You you were telling me yes, yes, he he was went to Armadale Uni and then he got a scholarship to go to England, to the Manchester United. I think it's a Vic. On holiday. So I told back the Grafton. Now in your own family you had brothers, three brothers, three brothers and one of them who's predeceased you. Yes, Colin. Colin. He had a very prominent position. You you were telling me yes, yes, he he was went to Armadale Uni and then he got a scholarship to go to England, to the Manchester United. I think it's a Vic.
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University of Manchester for a couple of years. University of Manchester for a couple of years.
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While he was over there he met an Irish girl and married her and brought her back to No. To Tamworth they went. He ended up at Canberra as head of the Commonwealth Department of Health. He was also the government analyst and during his job as being the government analyst he went over to, I think they go to Budapest. While he was over there he met an Irish girl and married her and brought her back to No. To Tamworth they went. He ended up at Canberra as head of the Commonwealth Department of Health. He was also the government analyst and during his job as being the government analyst he went over to, I think they go to Budapest.
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You're so hungry. Yeah. And to the World Health Organization. You're so hungry. Yeah. And to the World Health Organization.
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Conferences and when he was there, it just so happened with all coincidence that the Finnish people made some suggestion for health or whatever. Colin thought it was an excellent idea. So he seconded and it was carried and he was very pleased with that and then later on. Conferences and when he was there, it just so happened with all coincidence that the Finnish people made some suggestion for health or whatever. Colin thought it was an excellent idea. So he seconded and it was carried and he was very pleased with that and then later on.
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He made something that Australia wanted. He made something that Australia wanted.
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And I don't know whether the Finnish people thought it was a good idea, but they seconded his. This is how I remember it anyway. And they got to talking afterwards. And he said he was trying to find his his people who came from Sweden as he thought we thought he came. Grandfather came from Sweden and. And I don't know whether the Finnish people thought it was a good idea, but they seconded his. This is how I remember it anyway. And they got to talking afterwards. And he said he was trying to find his his people who came from Sweden as he thought we thought he came. Grandfather came from Sweden and.
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They couldn't find it anything and then the following year when Colin went over he had two. They couldn't find it anything and then the following year when Colin went over he had two.
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Pieces of two cards that had been handed down from the generations within the family Bible. He took those with him. And when the people, this lady saw it off, yeah, she said. That's not Swedish, that's Finnish. Pieces of two cards that had been handed down from the generations within the family Bible. He took those with him. And when the people, this lady saw it off, yeah, she said. That's not Swedish, that's Finnish.
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And so it was found that we came from Finland. Fortunately they were also into genealogy and they had done all their their business back through and. And so it was found that we came from Finland. Fortunately they were also into genealogy and they had done all their their business back through and.
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But I thought that grandfather had come out he and died with their children, and so he had. But I thought that grandfather had come out he and died with their children, and so he had.
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11 children read 10 of them, and I tell you what, that must have been some thief, because in those days people lost a lot of children. They lost one who was three months old. 11 children read 10 of them, and I tell you what, that must have been some thief, because in those days people lost a lot of children. They lost one who was three months old.
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And I'm not too sure, I'll probably teasing or something, probably just the temperature or something. And I'm not too sure, I'll probably teasing or something, probably just the temperature or something.
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And, and I mean then that grandfather just staying with him for a moment. And, and I mean then that grandfather just staying with him for a moment.
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Now that he he settled in Grafton, yes, yes. And he was, he worked the ferry, was the ferrymaster. Now that he he settled in Grafton, yes, yes. And he was, he worked the ferry, was the ferrymaster.
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For, I don't know, 50 years or something or other had been the ferry running between Grafton and South. Yes, that's probably up and down the river 20 years connected with the Grafton ferry and. For, I don't know, 50 years or something or other had been the ferry running between Grafton and South. Yes, that's probably up and down the river 20 years connected with the Grafton ferry and.
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He was very popular and actually when he died flags were flown at half mast because everybody in the town would know. Yes, because that was the way you travel between Grafton and South on the ferry. There was a story about some young fella used to come down to the ferry each day and. He was very popular and actually when he died flags were flown at half mast because everybody in the town would know. Yes, because that was the way you travel between Grafton and South on the ferry. There was a story about some young fella used to come down to the ferry each day and.
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He used to work at South Grafton and he would give grandfather A10 shilling note and grandfather had to give him change in penny's. He used to work at South Grafton and he would give grandfather A10 shilling note and grandfather had to give him change in penny's.
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And of course, they have to get in change at least. And on this particular day, Grandfather got sick of it, so he gave him his change in pennies. And I mean, pennies were the biggest coin. Bob was 120 pennies. And of course, they have to get in change at least. And on this particular day, Grandfather got sick of it, so he gave him his change in pennies. And I mean, pennies were the biggest coin. Bob was 120 pennies.
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12 pennies to the shilling. Wait a minute. 12 pennies to the shilling. 12 pennies to the shilling. Wait a minute. 12 pennies to the shilling.
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And 10 shillings. Yeah, 120 pennies. Well, he. And 10 shillings. Yeah, 120 pennies. Well, he.
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She's got 190 in bed. And I said that, oh, Penny was the Fed. Yeah. And I said that his pockets were sort of bulging. And then when he got to South Grafton, he had to, you know, walk up the hill to where he was working. But grandfather was so nice about it, you know, he just said, oh, now you'll have plenty of pennies. You won't have to. She's got 190 in bed. And I said that, oh, Penny was the Fed. Yeah. And I said that his pockets were sort of bulging. And then when he got to South Grafton, he had to, you know, walk up the hill to where he was working. But grandfather was so nice about it, you know, he just said, oh, now you'll have plenty of pennies. You won't have to.
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You won't have to break a note every day now. You'll have plenty of change. You won't have to break a note every day now. You'll have plenty of change.
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And pedicured him. He just gave grandfather the penny. In those days people were very. And pedicured him. He just gave grandfather the penny. In those days people were very.
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I don't know that they work things out. You know, they had to work things out for them. Yes, they didn't have any machines, computers, etcetera. And grandma loved the pictures and she loved the picture show man. And the pictures were coming and there was some picture on that she wanted to see. And she didn't have any money and it was six months to go in. So she said one of the children to the shop to buy. I don't know that they work things out. You know, they had to work things out for them. Yes, they didn't have any machines, computers, etcetera. And grandma loved the pictures and she loved the picture show man. And the pictures were coming and there was some picture on that she wanted to see. And she didn't have any money and it was six months to go in. So she said one of the children to the shop to buy.
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Tin of biscuits in those days you bought a big tin of and she bought, they've got the tin home. She took all the biscuits out of the tin, she took the tin back and she got the sixpence deposit for the team and she went. Tin of biscuits in those days you bought a big tin of and she bought, they've got the tin home. She took all the biscuits out of the tin, she took the tin back and she got the sixpence deposit for the team and she went.
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And then she paid for the biscuits and everything at the end of the month when they got the account. Oh, that's right. She got. She got to get the picture. Yeah. And that was. And then she paid for the biscuits and everything at the end of the month when they got the account. Oh, that's right. She got. She got to get the picture. Yeah. And that was.
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Rose, was it? No, no, that was clear. Oh, clearer. That's right. That's you're on their fathers. Yes. Yes. On the Dale side. Yes. That's right. OK, So really you've got finished blood. You've got. Rose, was it? No, no, that was clear. Oh, clearer. That's right. That's you're on their fathers. Yes. Yes. On the Dale side. Yes. That's right. OK, So really you've got finished blood. You've got.
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Your grandmother on your she was English. She was English. Clearer, clearer, clearer. Dahl and she turned clearer. Blizzard turned down. But then on the other side of the family, the Grahams, your mother. Your grandmother on your she was English. She was English. Clearer, clearer, clearer. Dahl and she turned clearer. Blizzard turned down. But then on the other side of the family, the Grahams, your mother.
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Your mother was a crime. And her mother was now her grandmother. Her grandmother was a Krieger. Yeah, but what about Rose Riley? Wasn't she Irish? No, she's born in Grafton. She was born in Grafton. That's right. That generation before that. So. OK. Yeah, we've got finished. And English and Irish and now Australian. Your mother was a crime. And her mother was now her grandmother. Her grandmother was a Krieger. Yeah, but what about Rose Riley? Wasn't she Irish? No, she's born in Grafton. She was born in Grafton. That's right. That generation before that. So. OK. Yeah, we've got finished. And English and Irish and now Australian.
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A mixed grill? Do you have to put all this on the table? A mixed grill? Do you have to put all this on the table?
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You know this is your story. You know this is your story.
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So, well tell us a little bit about that early married life of yours. And whereas Creek, which was a big railway town, it was, yes, it was when we went to where is Creek of course people didn't have, we didn't have many money. We had £25 left when we came back from our honeymoon. Had a lovely time. We went to Katoomba. So, well tell us a little bit about that early married life of yours. And whereas Creek, which was a big railway town, it was, yes, it was when we went to where is Creek of course people didn't have, we didn't have many money. We had £25 left when we came back from our honeymoon. Had a lovely time. We went to Katoomba.
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Now that was exciting too, because. Now that was exciting too, because.
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We've got, we had to get married in the morning in those days. That's right. And so we had an 8:00 Mass and I had a nuptial mess because I wanted the best everything. Good girl. And then we then because we had to go and see the nuns they wanted to meet. And then we had to go and get photos taken. And all Alex could think about was having breakfast. We've got, we had to get married in the morning in those days. That's right. And so we had an 8:00 Mass and I had a nuptial mess because I wanted the best everything. Good girl. And then we then because we had to go and see the nuns they wanted to meet. And then we had to go and get photos taken. And all Alex could think about was having breakfast.
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Anyway, anyway we got them, we had our breakfast and we had all the thingos and everything and then we went down to where his Creek. Anyway, anyway we got them, we had our breakfast and we had all the thingos and everything and then we went down to where his Creek.
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And of course, my husband was a wonderful man. We got to wear his cake. And I said, well, we're going to get your port now. Oh, he said, I haven't packed it yet and we're married and everything, you know, anyway, because I said, oh, for goodness, Like he said, it's not going to take long to pack what I want. So we just threw a few things in the pool and then we caught the train that night from where is Creek, because we don't we, we're in half a house. We. And of course, my husband was a wonderful man. We got to wear his cake. And I said, well, we're going to get your port now. Oh, he said, I haven't packed it yet and we're married and everything, you know, anyway, because I said, oh, for goodness, Like he said, it's not going to take long to pack what I want. So we just threw a few things in the pool and then we caught the train that night from where is Creek, because we don't we, we're in half a house. We.
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We'd organise if we could have this half a house. We'd organise if we could have this half a house.
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There was only another old lady living in it, so we really had the run of the house and she all this takes with that. But anyway, that's not if. We caught the train about 7:00 and there are a lot of people down on the station and I thought it's busy. I had no idea it was so busy. I didn't realize they were all there to see yourself. So you're the bride and groom. Yes, Alex was so popular and I didn't. I mean, I didn't know hardly anybody there, but they all knew that he was. There was only another old lady living in it, so we really had the run of the house and she all this takes with that. But anyway, that's not if. We caught the train about 7:00 and there are a lot of people down on the station and I thought it's busy. I had no idea it was so busy. I didn't realize they were all there to see yourself. So you're the bride and groom. Yes, Alex was so popular and I didn't. I mean, I didn't know hardly anybody there, but they all knew that he was.
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Getting married and that he was going on this train. It's big farewell. Yeah. And of course, I'm leaning out the window waving to to people. I did know some people and they put death notice on the line and I nearly fell out the window. It went off right underneath me and. And five death motors. Yeah. And I kept thinking that was the last. And then when I was waiting for the 6th, there wasn't one. They'd all gone. Getting married and that he was going on this train. It's big farewell. Yeah. And of course, I'm leaning out the window waving to to people. I did know some people and they put death notice on the line and I nearly fell out the window. It went off right underneath me and. And five death motors. Yeah. And I kept thinking that was the last. And then when I was waiting for the 6th, there wasn't one. They'd all gone.
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Do you remember the fiber? Oh yes, yes. Anyway, we we went off to Katoomba and we had a lovely time there. We went to see Janelle and Caves and. Do you remember the fiber? Oh yes, yes. Anyway, we we went off to Katoomba and we had a lovely time there. We went to see Janelle and Caves and.
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Mega Long Valley and you know, only this is 19494949. Yes, we're just after the wall really. There was still some rationing, but most of the rationing had finished by then, but people were still trying to get back to to normal. Mega Long Valley and you know, only this is 19494949. Yes, we're just after the wall really. There was still some rationing, but most of the rationing had finished by then, but people were still trying to get back to to normal.
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It has been a very Oh yes, yes, through the wall with the rabies. Yes, and really I thought that we were we didn't have we had very little. We had a bedroom suite half. It has been a very Oh yes, yes, through the wall with the rabies. Yes, and really I thought that we were we didn't have we had very little. We had a bedroom suite half.
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Grateful I saw the bedroom suite in the in the window at one of the shops in Tamworth. No, I wanted that. So we, we lay bided and the people kept it at the shop till we got married and we're still only half paid for. But anyway, we paid it off eventually. But that's what you did in those days. We didn't have much money and. And we survived. We forgot that. And were you working in Tamworth before Paris? Yes, I. Grateful I saw the bedroom suite in the in the window at one of the shops in Tamworth. No, I wanted that. So we, we lay bided and the people kept it at the shop till we got married and we're still only half paid for. But anyway, we paid it off eventually. But that's what you did in those days. We didn't have much money and. And we survived. We forgot that. And were you working in Tamworth before Paris? Yes, I.
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I got the intermediate certificate and then I went to business college and got shorthand typing. But you couldn't do very much in those days. You'd only work in an office or be a nurse or shopping, something rather like that, or do domestic work. They always wanted to work in an office anyway that that was what I really wanted to do, and so I did. I got the intermediate certificate and then I went to business college and got shorthand typing. But you couldn't do very much in those days. You'd only work in an office or be a nurse or shopping, something rather like that, or do domestic work. They always wanted to work in an office anyway that that was what I really wanted to do, and so I did.
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And I got my shorthand typing and then I with work for Department of Lands. And I got my shorthand typing and then I with work for Department of Lands.
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I was there for five years and I really loved it and I didn't want to leave, but I had to leave anyway because they didn't employ married women. Yes, we didn't get there was a young boy worked there and he we should do the lithographs. In those days he used to have to use the sun. There's no photocopying and the sun would come down onto this glass and there were the the maps were in sort of on a linen. I was there for five years and I really loved it and I didn't want to leave, but I had to leave anyway because they didn't employ married women. Yes, we didn't get there was a young boy worked there and he we should do the lithographs. In those days he used to have to use the sun. There's no photocopying and the sun would come down onto this glass and there were the the maps were in sort of on a linen.
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And I'd make copies like that. And I'd make copies like that.
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And he, he just did that and went down and got the morning tea things and everything and he got more money than I did. Yeah. Wasn't that strange? People today would not have very, they wouldn't know that in those days that as soon as women were married was the young thing that didn't work. I got two £2.06. And he, he just did that and went down and got the morning tea things and everything and he got more money than I did. Yeah. Wasn't that strange? People today would not have very, they wouldn't know that in those days that as soon as women were married was the young thing that didn't work. I got two £2.06.
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In my first pay, and I only put the sixpence on 2 lbs, you didn't have to pay tax over 2 LB, you pay tax. So they paid me £2.06 and they took a shilling tax so I got 1 LB nineteen and six. Whereas if you'd have been on 2 lbs you'd have got the 2 lbs without tax. In my first pay, and I only put the sixpence on 2 lbs, you didn't have to pay tax over 2 LB, you pay tax. So they paid me £2.06 and they took a shilling tax so I got 1 LB nineteen and six. Whereas if you'd have been on 2 lbs you'd have got the 2 lbs without tax.
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But yeah, that was an interesting situation there because women had worked through the war, yeah. But yeah, that was an interesting situation there because women had worked through the war, yeah.
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Because of the manpower shortage to the man away at the war and some of the women too. But then we have this situation of all the men coming back to from the war and and being entitled to preference in in jobs. And so that idea, particularly with the public service was that yes, once you were married. Because of the manpower shortage to the man away at the war and some of the women too. But then we have this situation of all the men coming back to from the war and and being entitled to preference in in jobs. And so that idea, particularly with the public service was that yes, once you were married.
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You left. You left.
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Oh, OK. And life in Werris Creek. There's a big railway town. It was then it was, yes, but it wasn't such a big town. It's just that most of the people were railway workers. Alex Watson, he worked for the Peel Show Council as an electrician. He did try to join the railway. He was always very keen on the railway and he went down and had a an interview. Oh, OK. And life in Werris Creek. There's a big railway town. It was then it was, yes, but it wasn't such a big town. It's just that most of the people were railway workers. Alex Watson, he worked for the Peel Show Council as an electrician. He did try to join the railway. He was always very keen on the railway and he went down and had a an interview.
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And he passed all of that, everything. And then he had to have a medical and he passed all his medical until they saw his foot. Now they had had polio when he was 18 months old, and he had a bit of a limp, so he was there. I wouldn't have to do that these days either. No, that would be discrimination. And he passed all of that, everything. And then he had to have a medical and he passed all his medical until they saw his foot. Now they had had polio when he was 18 months old, and he had a bit of a limp, so he was there. I wouldn't have to do that these days either. No, that would be discrimination.
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Because he could walk and climb ladders and everything. He could do everything. Because he could walk and climb ladders and everything. He could do everything.
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But anyway, you had to be physically fit. I had to go and have a medical to be physically fit and I only worked in the office so. But anyway, you had to be physically fit. I had to go and have a medical to be physically fit and I only worked in the office so.
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And then your children started to arrive. They did? Yes. Lynn was born at where is Creek and the other three were born in Grafton. OK. And in that family, you've got one in Grafton, haven't you? Two? Yes. The youngest 2 are in Grafton and the oldest 2 are in Sydney. OK, That's not pretty good. Pretty good. And then your children started to arrive. They did? Yes. Lynn was born at where is Creek and the other three were born in Grafton. OK. And in that family, you've got one in Grafton, haven't you? Two? Yes. The youngest 2 are in Grafton and the oldest 2 are in Sydney. OK, That's not pretty good. Pretty good.
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So you're a third generation Graftonian, aren't you? So you're a third generation Graftonian, aren't you?
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That'll be right. And born in Grafton and now you have a daughter who has children. That's right. So you can see to the fifth generation crafted. You've really got parents. Yeah. We've been here for a dull Tyler family, hasn't it? That's wonderful. So. So that's interesting too, because I was nearly Clark. Her first experience was being married after the war. That'll be right. And born in Grafton and now you have a daughter who has children. That's right. So you can see to the fifth generation crafted. You've really got parents. Yeah. We've been here for a dull Tyler family, hasn't it? That's wonderful. So. So that's interesting too, because I was nearly Clark. Her first experience was being married after the war.
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And living in rooms, as she called it, where you shared the kitchen and, and the bathroom and so on. So that, that was the, the normal thing, wasn't it? Oh, well, actually I thought that we were weren't very well off. But I've been speaking to others who were at the wall and just came back from the wall. And one of them said that their parents just put a curtain along the brand and they slept on the brand. And living in rooms, as she called it, where you shared the kitchen and, and the bathroom and so on. So that, that was the, the normal thing, wasn't it? Oh, well, actually I thought that we were weren't very well off. But I've been speaking to others who were at the wall and just came back from the wall. And one of them said that their parents just put a curtain along the brand and they slept on the brand.
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And I thought, Gee, I don't think I'd like that very much, but I would have wanted something a bit better than that. But still that that that was what it was like. And of course, building materials just weren't available. No, because the whole. And I thought, Gee, I don't think I'd like that very much, but I would have wanted something a bit better than that. But still that that that was what it was like. And of course, building materials just weren't available. No, because the whole.
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How well was upset? That's right. It had been slandered towards producing materials for war and it took a long time to change around and start to make materials available for housing. And there was this desperate shortage of housing for years, wasn't there? And I was induced. We had a guest when I wasn't used to using the. How well was upset? That's right. It had been slandered towards producing materials for war and it took a long time to change around and start to make materials available for housing. And there was this desperate shortage of housing for years, wasn't there? And I was induced. We had a guest when I wasn't used to using the.
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Fuel stamps. I had a few problems, you know, trying to work that out. And this old lady I worked lived with Mr. Simpson. Fuel stamps. I had a few problems, you know, trying to work that out. And this old lady I worked lived with Mr. Simpson.
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Alex liked steamed puddings and I said oh I'd love to make him a steamed pudding. Oh, she said I've got a little steamer and she said I'll give you a recipe. So she gave me the recipe and because we Alex came home and we, I had everything really. I mean everything was new, so a nice tablecloth. Everything was lovely all set up. We had our meal and I said to him, I had a steamed pudding and some custard. Oh, they thought that would be lovely. Alex liked steamed puddings and I said oh I'd love to make him a steamed pudding. Oh, she said I've got a little steamer and she said I'll give you a recipe. So she gave me the recipe and because we Alex came home and we, I had everything really. I mean everything was new, so a nice tablecloth. Everything was lovely all set up. We had our meal and I said to him, I had a steamed pudding and some custard. Oh, they thought that would be lovely.
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Anyway, I said to him when you look after so I'll go and get the custard. So I went and got the custard and when I came there, 'cause Alec had a great sense of humour, he's looking in the steamer. He said Yep, there's something down there, I can see it right down at the bottom. Anyway, I said to him when you look after so I'll go and get the custard. So I went and got the custard and when I came there, 'cause Alec had a great sense of humour, he's looking in the steamer. He said Yep, there's something down there, I can see it right down at the bottom.
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I had used plain flour instead of self rising flour. I had used plain flour instead of self rising flour.
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It was still it still tasted all right, but it was only half the size. It was still it still tasted all right, but it was only half the size.
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But he didn't comply, and he used to make a joke of things. Yeah, I can see it down the bottom. But he didn't comply, and he used to make a joke of things. Yeah, I can see it down the bottom.
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What, did you cut it in half the pudding? Yes, there was. There was enough to share. Enough to share. Yes, dear, and. What, did you cut it in half the pudding? Yes, there was. There was enough to share. Enough to share. Yes, dear, and.
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Oh, I'm just looking here at this form you filled in about back at school, the teachers you remember. Well, I don't really Remember Me. I knew there was a Miss Rudd. That was when I was in about second or third class, something like that. Or my yes, I left in six, so. Oh, I'm just looking here at this form you filled in about back at school, the teachers you remember. Well, I don't really Remember Me. I knew there was a Miss Rudd. That was when I was in about second or third class, something like that. Or my yes, I left in six, so.
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It might have been around about fourth class. And my father was a funny man too. And he kept until asking me, was she related to Steel Run? Oh yes, yes. Now, I didn't know who Steele Rudd was, what Steele Rudd was, didn't know anything about. And every time I'd asked dad, he'd laugh and he said you just ask her. And I never asked her because I was never game. I really didn't know what this deal was. I realized now. It might have been around about fourth class. And my father was a funny man too. And he kept until asking me, was she related to Steel Run? Oh yes, yes. Now, I didn't know who Steele Rudd was, what Steele Rudd was, didn't know anything about. And every time I'd asked dad, he'd laugh and he said you just ask her. And I never asked her because I was never game. I really didn't know what this deal was. I realized now.
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That day, yeah, of course. Yes, Dad and Dave, and that's what we listened to on the wireless. Did you listen to that? Yes. That day, yeah, of course. Yes, Dad and Dave, and that's what we listened to on the wireless. Did you listen to that? Yes.
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But I didn't actually. Oh, dear, David. But there's another, I think when I was here. But I didn't actually. Oh, dear, David. But there's another, I think when I was here.
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And I really didn't want to leave here, you know, I had such lovely. And I really didn't want to leave here, you know, I had such lovely.
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Lovely time. I've had a really happy childhood. I mean, I did get into trouble at times and I was naughty a couple of times, but I'm sure. Yeah. Well. Lovely time. I've had a really happy childhood. I mean, I did get into trouble at times and I was naughty a couple of times, but I'm sure. Yeah. Well.
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Our Chinese thinking about the time that we didn't you didn't have any refrigeration only had only had ice tea, ice chips Yep and and we had the bathroom was the coolest room of the house. It had a cement floor and it had the the. Our Chinese thinking about the time that we didn't you didn't have any refrigeration only had only had ice tea, ice chips Yep and and we had the bathroom was the coolest room of the house. It had a cement floor and it had the the.
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What do you call that? The the bath is on, you know. Oh, and the pedestal. What do you call that? The the bath is on, you know. Oh, and the pedestal.
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Well anyway, Mum had cut this melon in half and she's looking for a cool place to put it. Wouldn't fit in the ice box. Well anyway, Mum had cut this melon in half and she's looking for a cool place to put it. Wouldn't fit in the ice box.
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So she left it in the bathroom up near the wall left behind, but she left a knife in it by mistake and I was naughty and she always locked me in the bathroom when I was naughty. Well, I thought I was locked in. I suppose the door wasn't locked. But anyway, I was, you know, carrying on. And I actually, I used to carry on and shout and wanted to let me out, which she eventually did. And then I got a bit sneaky. I found it if I didn't answer her. So she left it in the bathroom up near the wall left behind, but she left a knife in it by mistake and I was naughty and she always locked me in the bathroom when I was naughty. Well, I thought I was locked in. I suppose the door wasn't locked. But anyway, I was, you know, carrying on. And I actually, I used to carry on and shout and wanted to let me out, which she eventually did. And then I got a bit sneaky. I found it if I didn't answer her.
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She asked me was are you all right? She would open the door to find it. She asked me was are you all right? She would open the door to find it.
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I was too quiet and she'd wonder if something had happened. Anyway, this day I, I, you know, was in there and I was just looking around and I suddenly saw this melon. Now, I like things to be level, so I thought I would level it. It had enough there. So I thought I would level it. And it's very difficult for a young child to level a melon. It is so. I was too quiet and she'd wonder if something had happened. Anyway, this day I, I, you know, was in there and I was just looking around and I suddenly saw this melon. Now, I like things to be level, so I thought I would level it. It had enough there. So I thought I would level it. And it's very difficult for a young child to level a melon. It is so.
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I'll have to cut another little bit off, you know, and very small. I'll have to cut another little bit off, you know, and very small.
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But it wasn't really lethal and I thought oh goodness, you know, I'm going to be back here in the bathroom again. Anyway, Mum eventually remembered that the melon was in there and I didn't get into trouble. She just let me out of the bathroom. I couldn't understand it. I thought, don't understand my appearance. Sometimes I don't think I should get into trouble and I do. And other times, you know when I think I'm going to get to trap. And I heard her speaking with Auntie Gladdy and she said. But it wasn't really lethal and I thought oh goodness, you know, I'm going to be back here in the bathroom again. Anyway, Mum eventually remembered that the melon was in there and I didn't get into trouble. She just let me out of the bathroom. I couldn't understand it. I thought, don't understand my appearance. Sometimes I don't think I should get into trouble and I do. And other times, you know when I think I'm going to get to trap. And I heard her speaking with Auntie Gladdy and she said.
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I couldn't punish a fancy, you know, lock him in the bathroom with a mill and with the knife in it, she said. Well, of course any child would would eat the meal and wouldn't they? And at least she didn't gouge a bit out of the middle. I couldn't punish a fancy, you know, lock him in the bathroom with a mill and with the knife in it, she said. Well, of course any child would would eat the meal and wouldn't they? And at least she didn't gouge a bit out of the middle.
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So I got out of that one. Yeah. He tried to level it. Yes. That was, you know, fair enough. So you what was it again? You went to Tamworth? The family lived to Tamworth in 19. Is it just before the 39 years? Yeah, just the beginning of the war. So I got out of that one. Yeah. He tried to level it. Yes. That was, you know, fair enough. So you what was it again? You went to Tamworth? The family lived to Tamworth in 19. Is it just before the 39 years? Yeah, just the beginning of the war.
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Is so I think what was in September and we moved about October and that was offered the position as manager of the gas field. Yes, it was a colonial gas company. I think he was offered Wollongong and he he accepted Wollongong and and we were going to Wollongong and then they said Tamworth was vacant. And so he said he'd rather Tamworth. Is so I think what was in September and we moved about October and that was offered the position as manager of the gas field. Yes, it was a colonial gas company. I think he was offered Wollongong and he he accepted Wollongong and and we were going to Wollongong and then they said Tamworth was vacant. And so he said he'd rather Tamworth.
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It was closer to Grafton plus the fact it wasn't on the coast. It was closer to Grafton plus the fact it wasn't on the coast.
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And with the war and everything, he thought we'd be safer in Tamworth, so he took us up there. And with the war and everything, he thought we'd be safer in Tamworth, so he took us up there.
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Right. And you're 12 years of age. Well, it's nearly 12, nearly 12 then, right? So you were here. Right. And you're 12 years of age. Well, it's nearly 12, nearly 12 then, right? So you were here.
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Do you remember the sewerage going through Grafton? Do you remember the sewerage going through Grafton?
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Yeah, we, we had, we had the sewerage at the house. Yeah, we, we had, we had the sewerage at the house.
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I think when the house was first built it didn't have sewerage, but then they built a piece on the back of the house and the sewage was put on there. But when I I can remember we had electricity, lights and I remember mum and dad buying a radio and that was great. They used, they used to get hold evident and a lot of people had. I think when the house was first built it didn't have sewerage, but then they built a piece on the back of the house and the sewage was put on there. But when I I can remember we had electricity, lights and I remember mum and dad buying a radio and that was great. They used, they used to get hold evident and a lot of people had.
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Radios, because people used to come and listen to the cricket and they'd stay nearly all night listening to the cricket, you know. And I couldn't understand it. I had to go to bed anyway. I go to bed with Teddy. I had this lovely teddy bear, still got him. Radios, because people used to come and listen to the cricket and they'd stay nearly all night listening to the cricket, you know. And I couldn't understand it. I had to go to bed anyway. I go to bed with Teddy. I had this lovely teddy bear, still got him.
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Still, Yeah, yeah. She was given to me on my first birthday by Auntie Ida. She didn't marry and she she lived with Mum and Dad. I've had him covered twice. Still, Yeah, yeah. She was given to me on my first birthday by Auntie Ida. She didn't marry and she she lived with Mum and Dad. I've had him covered twice.
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In 81 years. 81 years, Yeah. Well, no, 79 years. I'm 80 now. I got him for my first birthday. He's only 79. In 81 years. 81 years, Yeah. Well, no, 79 years. I'm 80 now. I got him for my first birthday. He's only 79.
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Isn't it 27 December. So now you're you're 81. You're born in 27. Oh, I've only just turned 80. I'm only December. December 07. You turned 80. Correct. This is 08. Oh, yeah. Isn't it 27 December. So now you're you're 81. You're born in 27. Oh, I've only just turned 80. I'm only December. December 07. You turned 80. Correct. This is 08. Oh, yeah.
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That's right. I'm sorry. I apologize. That's all right. Yeah. So you've got that Teddy 79. You know, mum used to say, oh, she said whenever Teddy the Teddy bears picnic was big, big, big story on the wireless run and get the Teddy and sit him in front of the thing. I win the music. Go down in the woods today. That's right. I'm sorry. I apologize. That's all right. Yeah. So you've got that Teddy 79. You know, mum used to say, oh, she said whenever Teddy the Teddy bears picnic was big, big, big story on the wireless run and get the Teddy and sit him in front of the thing. I win the music. Go down in the woods today.
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Mum used to say I must be mad. She'd be running man, looking for I'd panic. I had to have Teddy, put him in front of a vivid imagination. Of course, I always did. You had to. You had. No, not make a choice. Yeah. And I teddy bears were the in thing. I remember I had one. Yes, but I'm only 12 months younger than you. Yeah, mine. Mine's a big fella. Yeah, it's beautiful. Anyway. Mum used to say I must be mad. She'd be running man, looking for I'd panic. I had to have Teddy, put him in front of a vivid imagination. Of course, I always did. You had to. You had. No, not make a choice. Yeah. And I teddy bears were the in thing. I remember I had one. Yes, but I'm only 12 months younger than you. Yeah, mine. Mine's a big fella. Yeah, it's beautiful. Anyway.
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Oh, yeah, I see. I didn't have any brothers or sisters. I was now before. I had before. Before your brother's brother came. Yeah. And the only toys we had, Oh, I had a couple of dolls and I had a jigsaw. I could put that together upside down. Sideways was the only one I had to put together so many times. And it was a baby with a bottle. Oh, yeah, I see. I didn't have any brothers or sisters. I was now before. I had before. Before your brother's brother came. Yeah. And the only toys we had, Oh, I had a couple of dolls and I had a jigsaw. I could put that together upside down. Sideways was the only one I had to put together so many times. And it was a baby with a bottle.
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On a black background and we sort of this pink baby and and there was and dad used to read me Doc McKenna kangaroo every night. Like by the time we got to the end of the book, I'd I'd forgotten what the first bit was all about and he'd have to start all over again. I've still got to book 2 of my dad, but and I used to cut out. On a black background and we sort of this pink baby and and there was and dad used to read me Doc McKenna kangaroo every night. Like by the time we got to the end of the book, I'd I'd forgotten what the first bit was all about and he'd have to start all over again. I've still got to book 2 of my dad, but and I used to cut out.
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Pictures out of the calendars. Not the calendars, the books you get with. Pictures out of the calendars. Not the calendars, the books you get with.
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You know, pictures of ladies in them with all the different clothes. The catalogue. Oh yes, we came from David Jones. Sydney stores used to send them out, didn't they? Yes, that was Mrs. Brown, that Mrs. Green. And I'd have them walking all over the place, you know, visiting and stuff like that. You played a lot of games with the David Jones catalogue. Yeah. Well, Alex used said that they had a Peachtree and. You know, pictures of ladies in them with all the different clothes. The catalogue. Oh yes, we came from David Jones. Sydney stores used to send them out, didn't they? Yes, that was Mrs. Brown, that Mrs. Green. And I'd have them walking all over the place, you know, visiting and stuff like that. You played a lot of games with the David Jones catalogue. Yeah. Well, Alex used said that they had a Peachtree and.
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Used to all the Peach stones were cattle. Oh I see, I know yesterday he used to heard all these Peach stones from paddock to paddock moving around. Used to all the Peach stones were cattle. Oh I see, I know yesterday he used to heard all these Peach stones from paddock to paddock moving around.
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Yeah, well, that's what kids do. We're outside a lot. You know, we were, weren't we? Hopscotch and and. Yeah, well, that's what kids do. We're outside a lot. You know, we were, weren't we? Hopscotch and and.
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Countries and. Countries and.
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Throw the ball up and countries tunnel balls, wasn't it? And I can remember at that time that. Throw the ball up and countries tunnel balls, wasn't it? And I can remember at that time that.
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There was a sort of an understanding that anything from Japan was cheap and nasty and, you know, if you didn't like somebody and with your time to throw the ball up, you call Japan. There was a sort of an understanding that anything from Japan was cheap and nasty and, you know, if you didn't like somebody and with your time to throw the ball up, you call Japan.
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Oh dear, yes, you don't see that game. But, but wasn't it educational too? Because it's sort of, you know, taught you about the different places in the world and probably helps you with the spelling of them. Now I can remember we didn't have a car and Mum used to walk downtown and was, well, John was a baby. So I must have been about 9:00 and we were walking home from town. Oh dear, yes, you don't see that game. But, but wasn't it educational too? Because it's sort of, you know, taught you about the different places in the world and probably helps you with the spelling of them. Now I can remember we didn't have a car and Mum used to walk downtown and was, well, John was a baby. So I must have been about 9:00 and we were walking home from town.
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Net block there where? Skeets Bakery. Yeah, it's opposite the Jacaranda Hotel, yes. Yeah, Well, we're up further more or less near Mary St. coming up there and there's a nice cement path and then there's a grass verge and then. And I used to have Telegraph pals while I still live. Different place, of course we're walking along and for some reason. Net block there where? Skeets Bakery. Yeah, it's opposite the Jacaranda Hotel, yes. Yeah, Well, we're up further more or less near Mary St. coming up there and there's a nice cement path and then there's a grass verge and then. And I used to have Telegraph pals while I still live. Different place, of course we're walking along and for some reason.
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I decided what was a beautiful day and everything wouldn't be awful to be blind. So I'm walking along with my eyes closed now. I thought I was quite safe. I had hanging onto the side of the prank. I am, yeah. I decided what was a beautiful day and everything wouldn't be awful to be blind. So I'm walking along with my eyes closed now. I thought I was quite safe. I had hanging onto the side of the prank. I am, yeah.
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And we're walking along and somebody must have came along and mum moved over and I'm in my dream thinking about, you know, the poor blind people. And I rang bang smack into the Telegraph pal. And we're walking along and somebody must have came along and mum moved over and I'm in my dream thinking about, you know, the poor blind people. And I rang bang smack into the Telegraph pal.
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End up in the soreness and a bump on the forehead, Mum said. But what did you do? Didn't you say that? Carlos said no. End up in the soreness and a bump on the forehead, Mum said. But what did you do? Didn't you say that? Carlos said no.
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What do you mean? No? I said I had my eyes closed. She said why? And I said I was pretending to be blind. She said, oh, anybody silly enough to walk along like that deserves to get there. But of course she looked after me and looked at me and I put when we don't hang up the stuff on my thorough. I wonder if that's the same power there now. I think it is. What do you mean? No? I said I had my eyes closed. She said why? And I said I was pretending to be blind. She said, oh, anybody silly enough to walk along like that deserves to get there. But of course she looked after me and looked at me and I put when we don't hang up the stuff on my thorough. I wonder if that's the same power there now. I think it is.
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Let's have a look to see if this kid, no blood is still on it. I'll be careful next time I'm walking back. I can remember that. As I said, I used to imagine all these things very good at school with composition. So it might be you can make a good story with the compositions. Let's have a look to see if this kid, no blood is still on it. I'll be careful next time I'm walking back. I can remember that. As I said, I used to imagine all these things very good at school with composition. So it might be you can make a good story with the compositions.
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Compositions. I wonder they call them that now. Compositions. I wonder they call them that now.
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Yeah, that's right. And so go back to whereas Creek there. Yeah, that's right. And so go back to whereas Creek there.
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Your means of transport, getting around the town. You didn't have a car, You just you recently married, but do you have a bike? I had a bike, but that was at Tamworth and besides that I got pregnant and I think it must have been close after we got home. Your means of transport, getting around the town. You didn't have a car, You just you recently married, but do you have a bike? I had a bike, but that was at Tamworth and besides that I got pregnant and I think it must have been close after we got home.
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Or even on my honeymoon because umm, it's only 10 months later that I had my baby, right? So I wouldn't have been able to be fried a boat. I had to walk everywhere. But but we didn't mind. We, we had fun and we used to love dancing. We when we go off to the dances and the bulls and we take the baby and leave her in the pram in the supper room. And the lady said, look. Or even on my honeymoon because umm, it's only 10 months later that I had my baby, right? So I wouldn't have been able to be fried a boat. I had to walk everywhere. But but we didn't mind. We, we had fun and we used to love dancing. We when we go off to the dances and the bulls and we take the baby and leave her in the pram in the supper room. And the lady said, look.
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She cried. They'd call me and I'd come change the nap of your feet away. She cried. They'd call me and I'd come change the nap of your feet away.
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Back to the dance, that's another singer Alex ended up buying a very old broken down car. It was it was a utility. And when I looked at it, I said to him, it was only there, I don't know, 10 pound, 20 LB. You'll never do anything with that. Oh yes, I will. He said. So I said, well, I don't want it here in the yard. And he said no, I'll leave it down at work. So he left it didn't work and he. Back to the dance, that's another singer Alex ended up buying a very old broken down car. It was it was a utility. And when I looked at it, I said to him, it was only there, I don't know, 10 pound, 20 LB. You'll never do anything with that. Oh yes, I will. He said. So I said, well, I don't want it here in the yard. And he said no, I'll leave it down at work. So he left it didn't work and he.
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Used to spend I just down there working on this sound utility and eventually they got it going and in my innocence I thought as soon as it's going the first thing you'll do will be to come and take me and the baby for a ride. What a ridiculous idea you've got. All all his mates were there and I was on the brand at home and I had toot, toot, toot, toot and you should lose fellas all over the utility. Used to spend I just down there working on this sound utility and eventually they got it going and in my innocence I thought as soon as it's going the first thing you'll do will be to come and take me and the baby for a ride. What a ridiculous idea you've got. All all his mates were there and I was on the brand at home and I had toot, toot, toot, toot and you should lose fellas all over the utility.
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You know, anyway, they went round and round about four times and every time he went past he got somebody else on the back of a utility or hanging on the sewer. Wouldn't be allowed now. Oh no. Seatbelts and all. Oh, yeah, they were all and they. Yeah, of course, Rose Creek and he's yahooing and having a wonderful time. Anyway, eventually, how he'd modified it, he'd put the. You know, anyway, they went round and round about four times and every time he went past he got somebody else on the back of a utility or hanging on the sewer. Wouldn't be allowed now. Oh no. Seatbelts and all. Oh, yeah, they were all and they. Yeah, of course, Rose Creek and he's yahooing and having a wonderful time. Anyway, eventually, how he'd modified it, he'd put the.
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Petrol tank on the back of the utility so it was gravity fed or something. Petrol tank on the back of the utility so it was gravity fed or something.
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I don't really understand you. I just know it was gravity said and it it we were coming back from holidays once and of course mom said, well, she said you can't take the baby in that you old utility and I said why not because we were all coming down to where is Creek now. She said John can go with Alex and you can come in the car with us. It's much more convenient for you and the baby. So that's what we did. I don't really understand you. I just know it was gravity said and it it we were coming back from holidays once and of course mom said, well, she said you can't take the baby in that you old utility and I said why not because we were all coming down to where is Creek now. She said John can go with Alex and you can come in the car with us. It's much more convenient for you and the baby. So that's what we did.
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Anyway, when we're on our way home, we were having bitter travel. Anyway, when we're on our way home, we were having bitter travel.
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And the car wouldn't go up the hill and I said do you think it might be not enough petrol? And Dad was getting very agitated because he was having trouble with his car because it had developed a leak in the radiator. And every time he saw Wendy water anywhere, he'd stop and he'd fill the radiator. And anyway, 'cause we're coming along and every time it stopped I'd say something and he'd get all cranky. And the car wouldn't go up the hill and I said do you think it might be not enough petrol? And Dad was getting very agitated because he was having trouble with his car because it had developed a leak in the radiator. And every time he saw Wendy water anywhere, he'd stop and he'd fill the radiator. And anyway, 'cause we're coming along and every time it stopped I'd say something and he'd get all cranky.
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And eventually they found out that it was too low in petrol. And because it was gradually fairly, fairly fair, yes. So all he could do was back up all the mountain, all the. So he's going along backing up all these hills. And eventually they found out that it was too low in petrol. And because it was gradually fairly, fairly fair, yes. So all he could do was back up all the mountain, all the. So he's going along backing up all these hills.
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Then he turned around and got down as far as he could to do another big hill, and then he turned around back up the hill. Then he turned around and got down as far as he could to do another big hill, and then he turned around back up the hill.
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All the people filled it. It must have been really funny. All the people filled it. It must have been really funny.
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If it didn't break the track record that day, no, no, no. And we took forever to get home and course we there was a fellow there looking for a lift and course Alex stopped to give him the lift. If it didn't break the track record that day, no, no, no. And we took forever to get home and course we there was a fellow there looking for a lift and course Alex stopped to give him the lift.
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Dad said they can't have that man. I don't know where he was going to sit on top of the the load or something or other, because we had a load. We had camping gear and everything. We had intense, yes, yes. Anyway, 'cause the poor fellow Dad said we'll have to come in the car with us. So he came in the car with us. Dad said they can't have that man. I don't know where he was going to sit on top of the the load or something or other, because we had a load. We had camping gear and everything. We had intense, yes, yes. Anyway, 'cause the poor fellow Dad said we'll have to come in the car with us. So he came in the car with us.
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And he'd missed the train from Yarella and he was going to get it at he wanted to get to Tamworth. As we moved into Tamworth, the train went past. And he'd missed the train from Yarella and he was going to get it at he wanted to get to Tamworth. As we moved into Tamworth, the train went past.
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I said to mothers to train. I said when you didn't have near as much fun as you'd love waiting for the train as you've had with us. And he looked at me and smiled, if anything was glad to get out of mad people he was with. I said to mothers to train. I said when you didn't have near as much fun as you'd love waiting for the train as you've had with us. And he looked at me and smiled, if anything was glad to get out of mad people he was with.
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Goodness mate. Goodness mate.
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Yeah, so we're in now. You've got grandchildren. Yes, I've got 11 grandchildren. I've got 7 grandsons and four granddaughters. They're all lovely kids, isn't it? That's it. Well, of course. Yes. Yeah. Great advice for you. Yeah, so we're in now. You've got grandchildren. Yes, I've got 11 grandchildren. I've got 7 grandsons and four granddaughters. They're all lovely kids, isn't it? That's it. Well, of course. Yes. Yeah. Great advice for you.
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Yes, they're all working. Yes, they're all working.
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We've all been great workers. I don't think anybody's ever got the dull in our family. We've all been great workers. I don't think anybody's ever got the dull in our family.
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Even now we've got while you're doing the school teaching here and the other one. Even now we've got while you're doing the school teaching here and the other one.
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Brian teaches at the Ryde Horticultural College. He's a teacher too. He teaches at the Horticultural College. Lynn works at the. Brian teaches at the Ryde Horticultural College. He's a teacher too. He teaches at the Horticultural College. Lynn works at the.
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Learning what is it something. It used to be the old correspondence school. Oh yes, the. Learning what is it something. It used to be the old correspondence school. Oh yes, the.
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School of the Air. No, I don't know it. Yeah, Something else. I see. I see. The National Correspondent School is 1. I remember. Yeah. No. Well, I don't call it that now. It's it's. School of the Air. No, I don't know it. Yeah, Something else. I see. I see. The National Correspondent School is 1. I remember. Yeah. No. Well, I don't call it that now. It's it's.
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Something upward learning or something rather like that. But anyway, she's, she works there and she's the administrative. Something upward learning or something rather like that. But anyway, she's, she works there and she's the administrative.
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Manager or something or other there. She's not a teacher, but she organizes the teachers. Manager or something or other there. She's not a teacher, but she organizes the teachers.
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Slots them into their teachers. Where did they go? And her husband, she married Michael Muir, you know, from Newers. He's electrical engineering, is one of the chief men with NEMCO. Slots them into their teachers. Where did they go? And her husband, she married Michael Muir, you know, from Newers. He's electrical engineering, is one of the chief men with NEMCO.
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In Sydney. In Sydney.
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And Brian and his wife, she's she's Irish too. She came from county made, I think, and she's. And Brian and his wife, she's she's Irish too. She came from county made, I think, and she's.
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She was a nurse, now she's into a homeopathy and she's got her own business in Sydney and the ones here. Michael works on the council with the the water. She was a nurse, now she's into a homeopathy and she's got her own business in Sydney and the ones here. Michael works on the council with the the water.
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Singer and and it is she's some sort of administrative officer in charge or something at waste loan yes and then I've got your name teaching and Matthew bricklayer. Yes, one of the obviously your family have been Catholic for a long time. Singer and and it is she's some sort of administrative officer in charge or something at waste loan yes and then I've got your name teaching and Matthew bricklayer. Yes, one of the obviously your family have been Catholic for a long time.
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I guess there's something to do with. I guess there's something to do with.
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Well, that's about his grandfather. Dahl was a Catholic, being a Fenton. No, no, they they were, Grant, they were. Well, that's about his grandfather. Dahl was a Catholic, being a Fenton. No, no, they they were, Grant, they were.
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Married in the Church of England. Married in the Church of England.
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And I think the grandma, my grandma was in the Methodist Church. And I think the grandma, my grandma was in the Methodist Church.
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And actually it wasn't. It was the Parsonage there in Fry St. It must have been before the church. Oh yes, yes, well. And actually it wasn't. It was the Parsonage there in Fry St. It must have been before the church. Oh yes, yes, well.
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Methodist Methodist in. Methodist Methodist in.
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Fry Street, That was the grandma who was the Jewish from the German side. Fry Street, That was the grandma who was the Jewish from the German side.
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Blizzard. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That that's on Dad's side. No. Rose. Roses mother. Oh, Rose's mother. Oh, yeah. She was saying that she was a cricket. She was Louisa Krigger, and she came to Grafton with the German migrants way back. Well, yeah, well, I don't really wear this. Yeah. I don't know whether she was born here or I've got an idea she might have been born here. Blizzard. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That that's on Dad's side. No. Rose. Roses mother. Oh, Rose's mother. Oh, yeah. She was saying that she was a cricket. She was Louisa Krigger, and she came to Grafton with the German migrants way back. Well, yeah, well, I don't really wear this. Yeah. I don't know whether she was born here or I've got an idea she might have been born here.
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I don't know. I'm not too sure. But anyway, that was that big influx of Germans to Grafton. I don't know. I'm not too sure. But anyway, that was that big influx of Germans to Grafton.
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None of them were Catholic and none of the dolls were Catholics. None of them were Catholic and none of the dolls were Catholics.
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Where did it start? Well, Grandma Rose, she was Church of England too. And my mom was Church of England. And Jack, they were all Church of England. And then when her husband died, when John, her husband died, she remarried Dennis Kevner. Where did it start? Well, Grandma Rose, she was Church of England too. And my mom was Church of England. And Jack, they were all Church of England. And then when her husband died, when John, her husband died, she remarried Dennis Kevner.
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And Denis was a Catholic, and so Dennis had. And Denis was a Catholic, and so Dennis had.
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All the children of the second marriage were Catholics. Mum and Jack were Church of England. All the children of the second marriage were Catholics. Mum and Jack were Church of England.
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Well then when the I don't know, the priest came one day and he said why don't you have those other two little ones? He said they're sort of out of it. Why don't you bring them into the church as well? So Rose said, Oh well you know that was OK. So Mum and Jack were. Well then when the I don't know, the priest came one day and he said why don't you have those other two little ones? He said they're sort of out of it. Why don't you bring them into the church as well? So Rose said, Oh well you know that was OK. So Mum and Jack were.
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It came into the church. Well then when Mum was in the tune of Mary and all of that, and then she met Ernie. You were there? Yes. Now Ernie was Church of England. It came into the church. Well then when Mum was in the tune of Mary and all of that, and then she met Ernie. You were there? Yes. Now Ernie was Church of England.
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And Frank, his brother, was very annoyed when Ernie said he was going to become a Catholic because Frank was very staunch, staunch Anglican. And Frank, his brother, was very annoyed when Ernie said he was going to become a Catholic because Frank was very staunch, staunch Anglican.
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And it didn't want, didn't want any to leave the church. But anyway. And he did and he became a Catholic. And then I met Alex, Church of England right now. Yes, he became a Catholic. So really there's only mum and Dad were there or Rose? Well, a Rose wasn't either with Dennis cabinet that started at tennis. Yeah. Dennis cabinet, that's. And it didn't want, didn't want any to leave the church. But anyway. And he did and he became a Catholic. And then I met Alex, Church of England right now. Yes, he became a Catholic. So really there's only mum and Dad were there or Rose? Well, a Rose wasn't either with Dennis cabinet that started at tennis. Yeah. Dennis cabinet, that's.
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Grandfather, you know, Barry goes to me. I know Barry. As a matter of fact, I noticed in that remembrance book at Saint Mary's this morning, it's the anniversary of a Dennis Cavanaugh 1923, I think it is today in 19 that that probably would have been Dennis's father. Wouldn't be my grandfather. I don't know. No, it wouldn't be my grandfather. Grandfather, you know, Barry goes to me. I know Barry. As a matter of fact, I noticed in that remembrance book at Saint Mary's this morning, it's the anniversary of a Dennis Cavanaugh 1923, I think it is today in 19 that that probably would have been Dennis's father. Wouldn't be my grandfather. I don't know. No, it wouldn't be my grandfather.
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No, yeah. All right. OK, Well, you've had a great story, Eileen, and and this, this family history now that you've got, that's a bit about it. Now that big book you've got there, that's a wonderful book. No, yeah. All right. OK, Well, you've had a great story, Eileen, and and this, this family history now that you've got, that's a bit about it. Now that big book you've got there, that's a wonderful book.
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That's the call. The finish line, yes. Now Cullen started there. Colin and your brother, yes. Colin, yes. And that, that's got a lot of the history of Grafton in it. That's the call. The finish line, yes. Now Cullen started there. Colin and your brother, yes. Colin, yes. And that, that's got a lot of the history of Grafton in it.
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Pictures of of different. Pictures of of different.
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Things that happened over the years and there's pictures of. Things that happened over the years and there's pictures of.
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We're chapter 12. We're chapter 12.
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That my family. That my family.
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But before you get there, there are there are pictures of. But before you get there, there are there are pictures of.
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When grandfather first came here. When grandfather first came here.
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Like he's the route he's. Like he's the route he's.
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Naturalization, business, the boat that he came on, let's have one. They're all the Finnish people there. And then there's that's, that's the enemies. Naturalization, business, the boat that he came on, let's have one. They're all the Finnish people there. And then there's that's, that's the enemies.
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And all the what's the the different connections as they. Yes, yes. Well, like I said, we chapter 12. It's my father when he was young, nice looking man. Yeah, I can remember him, but well, but not no, I don't remember what he is there. That's about 1920. Oh yeah, early 20s. It says yeah. And all the what's the the different connections as they. Yes, yes. Well, like I said, we chapter 12. It's my father when he was young, nice looking man. Yeah, I can remember him, but well, but not no, I don't remember what he is there. That's about 1920. Oh yeah, early 20s. It says yeah.
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He was the 10th child of William and Clara's eleven children. He was the 10th child of William and Clara's eleven children.
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He was born in Gilead St. Grafton, right. He was born in Gilead St. Grafton, right.
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Yeah, that's 19/01. He was only one behind the the century. Yeah, that's 19/01. He was only one behind the the century.
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That that's their wedding. That's an amazing. That's their house in in yeah. That that's their wedding. That's an amazing. That's their house in in yeah.
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Betty and I went up there once, you know, we're that part of this. There's a place there where the the, where the men could get off the train if anything went wrong and they could step onto this little platform. Betty and I went up there once, you know, we're that part of this. There's a place there where the the, where the men could get off the train if anything went wrong and they could step onto this little platform.
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Thing and we went up there one day and we, we, you know, sort of crouched down and we were just so close to the railway, to the to the wheels. Thing and we went up there one day and we, we, you know, sort of crouched down and we were just so close to the railway, to the to the wheels.
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And we thought later on there's there's a signal there. If they would have stopped and were steam trains, if they would have stopped and left, let steam up, we would have all been burned. Yes, you would have. We only did it once. And we thought later on there's there's a signal there. If they would have stopped and were steam trains, if they would have stopped and left, let steam up, we would have all been burned. Yes, you would have. We only did it once.
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Because the railway coming through town was such a big thing. It was still. That's your wedding photo? Yeah. Wedding. Who isn't that? Wow, Look at that dress. Yes, wow. Because the railway coming through town was such a big thing. It was still. That's your wedding photo? Yeah. Wedding. Who isn't that? Wow, Look at that dress. Yes, wow.
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You were Bill, and that's when I got the National Medal. I didn't mention that. No, we didn't. You were Bill, and that's when I got the National Medal. I didn't mention that. No, we didn't.
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And what was that for? That was for service with the SES I was when I. And what was that for? That was for service with the SES I was when I.
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When I left, when, when Pink Jeanine was seven, I decided I'd go back to work and I got a job with SES and, and I, even though I went on to to DOCS, Woolworths, Child and Welfare Services, then that's when we're in Finland, yeah. When I left, when, when Pink Jeanine was seven, I decided I'd go back to work and I got a job with SES and, and I, even though I went on to to DOCS, Woolworths, Child and Welfare Services, then that's when we're in Finland, yeah.
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I stayed with them for many, many years and with SESES. OK, and that's, that's your, I got that in Australia Day in 1991. I stayed with them for many, many years and with SESES. OK, and that's, that's your, I got that in Australia Day in 1991.
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I got that. Yeah. That that was down at the Boulevard. Yes, yes, yes. They had a big, right, big do in those days. And so, you know, how long did you say you were with SES? You work with them? Oh. I got that. Yeah. That that was down at the Boulevard. Yes, yes, yes. They had a big, right, big do in those days. And so, you know, how long did you say you were with SES? You work with them? Oh.
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I suppose I sounded there a couple of years as a paid person because they put somebody on full time and I had four children and I didn't want to work full time. I suppose I sounded there a couple of years as a paid person because they put somebody on full time and I had four children and I didn't want to work full time.
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So I, I left and then I got a job with, with the child welfare part time. But then when that became full time, well, that was all right. The children were old then. So I took it on full time then. You know, it's with them for many, many years. So I, I left and then I got a job with, with the child welfare part time. But then when that became full time, well, that was all right. The children were old then. So I took it on full time then. You know, it's with them for many, many years.
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Actually, when I started it was child welfare, then it became child welfare and social welfare and I don't know how many times they haven't changed to nothing. Now it's done, now it's dark. She is. Actually, when I started it was child welfare, then it became child welfare and social welfare and I don't know how many times they haven't changed to nothing. Now it's done, now it's dark. She is.
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A an ideal employee for them because of your motherly talents. Yes, yes, I was OK there. I looked after some of the people, gave counseling when I shouldn't have but managed it all right. Well, I mean, I had a successful marriage and for, you know, children, so. A an ideal employee for them because of your motherly talents. Yes, yes, I was OK there. I looked after some of the people, gave counseling when I shouldn't have but managed it all right. Well, I mean, I had a successful marriage and for, you know, children, so.
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And before we got all, just after we got married, Alex and I decided that every night it didn't matter. And before we got all, just after we got married, Alex and I decided that every night it didn't matter.
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If we'd had a difference of opinion or not, we would kiss each other good night. And we we did that all our lives. Sometimes there's only a pick. If we'd had a difference of opinion or not, we would kiss each other good night. And we we did that all our lives. Sometimes there's only a pick.
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I still love you, but I don't like you much at the moment. I still love you, but I don't like you much at the moment.
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Rollover yeah, but it was always it was always there this this love and I think that keeps you together knowing that OK, we'll kiss and it hasn't we haven't sorted it all out, but it's going to be all right Yep, that's right and it was all right we used to yeah, we sorted it out 0 Alex, he passed away what about so 2002 thousand we had a wonderful. Rollover yeah, but it was always it was always there this this love and I think that keeps you together knowing that OK, we'll kiss and it hasn't we haven't sorted it all out, but it's going to be all right Yep, that's right and it was all right we used to yeah, we sorted it out 0 Alex, he passed away what about so 2002 thousand we had a wonderful.
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Golden wedding party. Yeah, well, it wasn't. Well, it was a party. We went down. We weren't going to. We didn't want to renew our vows. Now, we thought that was silly, but we asked Father Ruin to give us a blessing. So he did. We got a lovely blessing and then we went over to the South Club. Golden wedding party. Yeah, well, it wasn't. Well, it was a party. We went down. We weren't going to. We didn't want to renew our vows. Now, we thought that was silly, but we asked Father Ruin to give us a blessing. So he did. We got a lovely blessing and then we went over to the South Club.
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And I had it all done up in Gold Forest, you know, and they had the tables like that and I had a wedding table for us. And because we sat up there and the best man had passed away, but one of Alex other brothers sat there with his wife. And then I had Betty Dukes. The one she was Betty Clark. She was the one I grew up with. She was the other brow it's made. She was there. And the one from Tamworth couldn't come. And then we had the flower girl, the. And I had it all done up in Gold Forest, you know, and they had the tables like that and I had a wedding table for us. And because we sat up there and the best man had passed away, but one of Alex other brothers sat there with his wife. And then I had Betty Dukes. The one she was Betty Clark. She was the one I grew up with. She was the other brow it's made. She was there. And the one from Tamworth couldn't come. And then we had the flower girl, the.
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Listening out there 5 foot right? Listening out there 5 foot right?
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Much taller and a grandmother and we all stood up and and that we had toasts and we had you know, I got a video and. Much taller and a grandmother and we all stood up and and that we had toasts and we had you know, I got a video and.
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I was just love. That was 2000. Yes, yes. And we, we had a cake, cut the cake. And we had everybody who was still alive who had been to the wedding that we knew. I was just love. That was 2000. Yes, yes. And we, we had a cake, cut the cake. And we had everybody who was still alive who had been to the wedding that we knew.
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Were where they were. We invited plus friends. We had about 80. We said that was that was it. That was a party of all parties. So when I had my 80th, not long in like in December, I said to the kids, no, I didn't want to party. I mean, Alex had gone and we had our party and I'd just have a dinner and we would just go around the club. You know, I'll meet Janine and Michael, who live here. Yeah, but instead of that. Were where they were. We invited plus friends. We had about 80. We said that was that was it. That was a party of all parties. So when I had my 80th, not long in like in December, I said to the kids, no, I didn't want to party. I mean, Alex had gone and we had our party and I'd just have a dinner and we would just go around the club. You know, I'll meet Janine and Michael, who live here. Yeah, but instead of that.
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They said, all right, we'll have a family dinner. And they weren't all look. They all came to the to the dinner. They said, all right, we'll have a family dinner. And they weren't all look. They all came to the to the dinner.
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No, no, we didn't go there. We ended up going around to see Park having photos. That's all the photos coming. No, no, we didn't go there. We ended up going around to see Park having photos. That's all the photos coming.
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Yes, and the only one that couldn't get here was. Yes, and the only one that couldn't get here was.
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Michael's boy Brendan, and he's teaching at Broken Hill. Michael's boy Brendan, and he's teaching at Broken Hill.
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And it's too far to come full on the 15th of December when you know, his primary school skills breaking up. So he, he really couldn't come. But he rang me up and, you know, we had a little chat and everything. So that was nice. And then after we had, and I got a photographer and I said we can take photos. And I said no, no, we nobody will do with their told if, if we're taking photos. And it's too far to come full on the 15th of December when you know, his primary school skills breaking up. So he, he really couldn't come. But he rang me up and, you know, we had a little chat and everything. So that was nice. And then after we had, and I got a photographer and I said we can take photos. And I said no, no, we nobody will do with their told if, if we're taking photos.
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You know they'll muck around. You know they'll muck around.
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And they said no, we'll get a proper photographer. So he came and he took photos all over the place here at C Park. And then we just walked over to the village group and had walked across the road on the treetops there and we had our dinner up there. Everybody paid for their own. I said no presents. That's the night. That was in December. Yes, yes, December 2007. Yeah, we died so. And they said no, we'll get a proper photographer. So he came and he took photos all over the place here at C Park. And then we just walked over to the village group and had walked across the road on the treetops there and we had our dinner up there. Everybody paid for their own. I said no presents. That's the night. That was in December. Yes, yes, December 2007. Yeah, we died so.
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What year did he die? 2002 thousand. That was a year after hour. Year 50th wedding anniversary. What year did he die? 2002 thousand. That was a year after hour. Year 50th wedding anniversary.
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And today happens to be his birthday. His birthday? Yes. So we're doing this interview on his birthday. On his birthday. Yeah. Well, that's an appropriate note. He was a great, a great. He's a good man. Good man. Yeah, Good man. I knew him well. And your father in there. Saint Vincent de Paul days. Yes, yes. He was a good worker and all of that. Good provider. A good provider. Yeah. And. And easy to get on with. You know, we, we, we both had. And today happens to be his birthday. His birthday? Yes. So we're doing this interview on his birthday. On his birthday. Yeah. Well, that's an appropriate note. He was a great, a great. He's a good man. Good man. Yeah, Good man. I knew him well. And your father in there. Saint Vincent de Paul days. Yes, yes. He was a good worker and all of that. Good provider. A good provider. Yeah. And. And easy to get on with. You know, we, we, we both had.
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Of humour. And I think that you can get through life, yeah, if you've got a sense of humor. Because often we'd be having an argument, we'd think this is so stupid. Could it be an argument over something? Of humour. And I think that you can get through life, yeah, if you've got a sense of humor. Because often we'd be having an argument, we'd think this is so stupid. Could it be an argument over something?
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Unimportant, you know, and we'd look at each other and say, oh, I've got and we'd forget about it. But another thing when he had the he had a stroke, a slight stroke there a few years before he died. Unimportant, you know, and we'd look at each other and say, oh, I've got and we'd forget about it. But another thing when he had the he had a stroke, a slight stroke there a few years before he died.
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And. And.
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We'd we'd had to go and see Doctor. We'd we'd had to go and see Doctor.
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Yan Nani Yakara. Oh yes, Yep, Yep, Yep. And he was really, but he was in the Sri Lankan. He was. And we went around to see him and he said to Alex, I said I think you're right, you'll be OK. He said I'll just have to take a scan of your brain. But he said I don't think we'll find anything. Yan Nani Yakara. Oh yes, Yep, Yep, Yep. And he was really, but he was in the Sri Lankan. He was. And we went around to see him and he said to Alex, I said I think you're right, you'll be OK. He said I'll just have to take a scan of your brain. But he said I don't think we'll find anything.
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Now I looked at each other and we burst out laughing. I mean, we did. We just look at each other and I knew I shouldn't have looked at him. I called Doctor Nanny, your car is looking at as much as so what's wrong with these people, you know? And then he said, oh, I mean, I don't think we will find anything wrong. Now I looked at each other and we burst out laughing. I mean, we did. We just look at each other and I knew I shouldn't have looked at him. I called Doctor Nanny, your car is looking at as much as so what's wrong with these people, you know? And then he said, oh, I mean, I don't think we will find anything wrong.
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But you know, he, you know, we, we, we could just, and we love music. We danced for miles and we both loved the same type of music. But you know, he, you know, we, we, we could just, and we love music. We danced for miles and we both loved the same type of music.
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He was a good singer. I had learned singing. So I you know, only a sing songs together, yes, but you know, it was it was just a real happy marriage and and really Bill having four children who were normal and haven't got any physical disabilities. It is such a blessing, such a blessing that we we could have the four of them and they were all fine. He was a good singer. I had learned singing. So I you know, only a sing songs together, yes, but you know, it was it was just a real happy marriage and and really Bill having four children who were normal and haven't got any physical disabilities. It is such a blessing, such a blessing that we we could have the four of them and they were all fine.
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And going into fine, you know, young people. And going into fine, you know, young people.
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And so, yes, you've got love to be thankful. Oh, ever so much. And. And wonderful parents. Yes. Even when they rest on me, I'm, you know, got into trouble. Yeah. I still knew they loved me. And they worked really hard, too. Yeah. And so, yes, you've got love to be thankful. Oh, ever so much. And. And wonderful parents. Yes. Even when they rest on me, I'm, you know, got into trouble. Yeah. I still knew they loved me. And they worked really hard, too. Yeah.
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I mean, ma'am, when I built the house they had a she was lucky she had the laundry in the in the house. I mean, ma'am, when I built the house they had a she was lucky she had the laundry in the in the house.
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And she had used to have a couple of bricks and she'd put the the copper, she had kerosene tin. Oh, kerosene tin. She'd put the kerosene tin on top of the bricks and boiled stuff up in there. And with raining, it was pretty tough, I'd say. Yeah, I got very upset there once because her granddaughter came. They came. I think the depression must have been on in the grandstand the her son. And she had used to have a couple of bricks and she'd put the the copper, she had kerosene tin. Oh, kerosene tin. She'd put the kerosene tin on top of the bricks and boiled stuff up in there. And with raining, it was pretty tough, I'd say. Yeah, I got very upset there once because her granddaughter came. They came. I think the depression must have been on in the grandstand the her son.
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Came with the family and mom said I haven't got many toys, you better give them some of yours anyway. Came with the family and mom said I haven't got many toys, you better give them some of yours anyway.
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Amongst the toys that are not that I had many either, there was a horrible yellow thing and it had, it was just the yellow body with black legs and that on it. And mum said it was ugly and it was ugly but nobody loved him and I thought it's such a shame if you're not beautiful, nobody wants you. Amongst the toys that are not that I had many either, there was a horrible yellow thing and it had, it was just the yellow body with black legs and that on it. And mum said it was ugly and it was ugly but nobody loved him and I thought it's such a shame if you're not beautiful, nobody wants you.
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So I love Ginger. I used to look after Ginger because nobody would love you. Anyway, I gave Ginger to to the little girl next door and I was really upset come home crowing one day because they couldn't get the the thing out to go in the to boil the clothes and Ginger was full of straw. So I love Ginger. I used to look after Ginger because nobody would love you. Anyway, I gave Ginger to to the little girl next door and I was really upset come home crowing one day because they couldn't get the the thing out to go in the to boil the clothes and Ginger was full of straw.
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So they burned ginger. So they burned ginger.
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I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Sympathize with me. And she was, she was cranky because I was hurt. Yes, You know, I said I didn't have to do that. If they didn't want him, they could have thrown him back. Sympathize with me. And she was, she was cranky because I was hurt. Yes, You know, I said I didn't have to do that. If they didn't want him, they could have thrown him back.
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But but that was, you know, those are the things that happened. Yeah, little things like that. But Mum, Mum had the, well, that was another thing I did. I had a belt and I burnt that once. I put it in, in the copper with the wood. Mum never ever thought that I would do such a thing. And I forgot that it had a buckle. But but that was, you know, those are the things that happened. Yeah, little things like that. But Mum, Mum had the, well, that was another thing I did. I had a belt and I burnt that once. I put it in, in the copper with the wood. Mum never ever thought that I would do such a thing. And I forgot that it had a buckle.
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It didn't burn mouth and buckling and she I heard her telling dad, I can't understand it. It must have gone in with the wood. It didn't burn mouth and buckling and she I heard her telling dad, I can't understand it. It must have gone in with the wood.
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And she blamed herself and I never said anything. Oh, you haven't told her yet? And she blamed herself and I never said anything. Oh, you haven't told her yet?
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They'll come a day. We're so unlike me to do things like that. I don't know why. I must have been the spirit of the moment. I must have got the building. Yeah, I'll fix them. I'll burn this. They'll come a day. We're so unlike me to do things like that. I don't know why. I must have been the spirit of the moment. I must have got the building. Yeah, I'll fix them. I'll burn this.
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Sat down, dear. Now. Well, we've had a pretty good time together, Eileen. I've certainly enjoyed talking and listening to your story. Well, I do waffle on a bit. I don't know. That's been good. So I could. I could go on. Yeah. Well, we've done. We've done it now. So we're 64 minutes. Thank you, Bill. Thank you very much for coming around. That's so lovely to have somebody with so much Grafton in their blood, as yours is. Yes, but, I mean, and it's still going on. No shame. Sat down, dear. Now. Well, we've had a pretty good time together, Eileen. I've certainly enjoyed talking and listening to your story. Well, I do waffle on a bit. I don't know. That's been good. So I could. I could go on. Yeah. Well, we've done. We've done it now. So we're 64 minutes. Thank you, Bill. Thank you very much for coming around. That's so lovely to have somebody with so much Grafton in their blood, as yours is. Yes, but, I mean, and it's still going on. No shame.
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Memories. So many memories of seven years that turn into treasures. That's right. Treasure all my memories. They're great. I just hope that I don't get Alzheimer's or something like that. I think. Yeah, I hope not. All right. Thank you for that. Now we'll just stop and see. Memories. So many memories of seven years that turn into treasures. That's right. Treasure all my memories. They're great. I just hope that I don't get Alzheimer's or something like that. I think. Yeah, I hope not. All right. Thank you for that. Now we'll just stop and see.