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[Elisabeth] Right, on again [Dudley] The- There, there, are lots of people in ah [Elisabeth] Right, on again [Dudley] The- There, there, are lots of people in ah
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are going in the trades area here in Orange, uh it's just uh, fitters and people are going in the trades area here in Orange, uh it's just uh, fitters and people
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I, I that I that sort of lined up with at the time, guys like John Hadfield who was here with I, I that I that sort of lined up with at the time, guys like John Hadfield who was here with
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the former electrician who er um, Arnold Rosentools who the former electrician who er um, Arnold Rosentools who
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[Elisabeth] Heard that name come up a few times. [Dudley] Yeah, ah, I mean, which portrays nothing, you know, in your [Elisabeth] Heard that name come up a few times. [Dudley] Yeah, ah, I mean, which portrays nothing, you know, in your
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?inaudible? Arnold was a, was a migrant, and ah, and there were ?inaudible? Arnold was a, was a migrant, and ah, and there were
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a lot of migrants brought to Orange, ah in ah the early days of the Orange plant and a lot of migrants brought to Orange, ah in ah the early days of the Orange plant and
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and that in itself brought in a lot of skills that had never been known here before. and that in itself brought in a lot of skills that had never been known here before.
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But er, I've, I've always found it remarkable how those people integrated into ah, not only into Email but into But er, I've, I've always found it remarkable how those people integrated into ah, not only into Email but into
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Orange. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] I mean, they didn't form ah, ghettos or anything Orange. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] I mean, they didn't form ah, ghettos or anything
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it seems to me. Uh I mean a lot of those people, the Italians, and Germans, and Balts, and, they're just it seems to me. Uh I mean a lot of those people, the Italians, and Germans, and Balts, and, they're just
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like us, they're just normal Australian people, they they've [Elisabeth] I believe the German toolmakers like us, they're just normal Australian people, they they've [Elisabeth] I believe the German toolmakers
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for instance, did bring in a lot of, um, high, high levels of skill. [Dudley] A lot of skill, yeah, yeah, 'cause for instance, did bring in a lot of, um, high, high levels of skill. [Dudley] A lot of skill, yeah, yeah, 'cause
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there were a number of er, those German toolmakers. And another one was ah, Willy Bitcoe there were a number of er, those German toolmakers. And another one was ah, Willy Bitcoe
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who was in our drawing office for a long time. He, he came from ah, Messerschmitt who was in our drawing office for a long time. He, he came from ah, Messerschmitt
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in Germany and ah I mean, those, those people knew, knew a lot of things in Germany and ah I mean, those, those people knew, knew a lot of things
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and they were great migrants. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] And uh, you know, the the Italians are, are just great people. and they were great migrants. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] And uh, you know, the the Italians are, are just great people.
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But, so all, I mean I was I was impressed, I was obviously influenced by a lot of those sorts of people but ah But, so all, I mean I was I was impressed, I was obviously influenced by a lot of those sorts of people but ah
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within Email I would say, within er, in in the higher levels I within Email I would say, within er, in in the higher levels I
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by by the way Frank Houli is, is a guy who is just out- outstanding, I, I mean he would have influenced more by by the way Frank Houli is, is a guy who is just out- outstanding, I, I mean he would have influenced more
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people than, than you could even count, I. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] He was people than, than you could even count, I. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] He was
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a guy. [Elisabeth] Managers too, huh. [Dudley] I, I mean, Frank was Mr, Mr Email, and, and one of his a guy. [Elisabeth] Managers too, huh. [Dudley] I, I mean, Frank was Mr, Mr Email, and, and one of his
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tasks was to make sure that managers didn't go off the rails. [Laughter] He didn't know it, but that's what he tasks was to make sure that managers didn't go off the rails. [Laughter] He didn't know it, but that's what he
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did and [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] uh, I used to call him the manager's friend even when I was there, [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] 'cause er that's what he was. did and [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] uh, I used to call him the manager's friend even when I was there, [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] 'cause er that's what he was.
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I mean if he, he would, you know, he wasn't the manager himself but, er I mean if he, he would, you know, he wasn't the manager himself but, er
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he he loved Email so much that if he saw the manager making a mistake he'd say, hey [laughs], better not he he loved Email so much that if he saw the manager making a mistake he'd say, hey [laughs], better not
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do that [laughter] [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] And, and we of course would take notice of him. He's, he's, he was outstanding, and Frank do that [laughter] [Elisabeth] Yes. [Dudley] And, and we of course would take notice of him. He's, he's, he was outstanding, and Frank
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he's a case of, was, of circumstances, I mean Frank was capable of much, much more he's a case of, was, of circumstances, I mean Frank was capable of much, much more
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than being the personnel manager of Orange. And um. I don't know what he should have been, but he than being the personnel manager of Orange. And um. I don't know what he should have been, but he
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was just an outstanding person. [Elisabeth] He was a frustrated journalist I believe. [Dudley] Yes, yes, well that's, that's one thing I guess, but was just an outstanding person. [Elisabeth] He was a frustrated journalist I believe. [Dudley] Yes, yes, well that's, that's one thing I guess, but
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and he's, he's been a tremendous influence. Ah, these, these guys like Rand Furly and and he's, he's been a tremendous influence. Ah, these, these guys like Rand Furly and
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the engineers in, in Sydney they, um, er the engineers in, in Sydney they, um, er
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Cottrell I'm sure was an influence Cottrell I'm sure was an influence
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Peter and errr, I think we had lots of arguments and disagreements and I Peter and errr, I think we had lots of arguments and disagreements and I
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probably hated him 'n vice versa [laughter] at the time. But I, you know I look back on that with the benefit of hindsight and see probably hated him 'n vice versa [laughter] at the time. But I, you know I look back on that with the benefit of hindsight and see
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you know this guy really raised our you know this guy really raised our
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was a remarkable influence. [Elisabeth] Um, just one more question, um, how do you see the future was a remarkable influence. [Elisabeth] Um, just one more question, um, how do you see the future
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of the, of the Orange plant? Are they gunna be able to keep the workforce at the sort of level it is now of the, of the Orange plant? Are they gunna be able to keep the workforce at the sort of level it is now
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do you think? [Dudley] Yeah I think so, nobody can do you think? [Dudley] Yeah I think so, nobody can
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tell for certain what the future will be. But, ah, ah, we're, we're finding that we can compete in South tell for certain what the future will be. But, ah, ah, we're, we're finding that we can compete in South
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I think ah, I think we'll ah I think ah, I think we'll ah
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firm for the next 10-15 years, I think you can see that far out. ah, Beyond that, maybe new firm for the next 10-15 years, I think you can see that far out. ah, Beyond that, maybe new
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technologies will determine the future, and ah it'll depend how we embrace them I suppose technologies will determine the future, and ah it'll depend how we embrace them I suppose
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but for that period of time anyway, yeah, ah, I think we will be successful, and. It's pretty but for that period of time anyway, yeah, ah, I think we will be successful, and. It's pretty
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hard to increase our, ah, our domestic volume in Australia [Elisabeth] Yes [Dudley] any more because ah every bloke's got a refrigerator so it's hard to increase our, ah, our domestic volume in Australia [Elisabeth] Yes [Dudley] any more because ah every bloke's got a refrigerator so it's
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totally a replacement market, and, and therefore it's got fixed ah limitations, but totally a replacement market, and, and therefore it's got fixed ah limitations, but
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we probably can get to the point where we're exporting 30, 40, 50% of our product we probably can get to the point where we're exporting 30, 40, 50% of our product
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to uh South East Asia. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] And ah, ah at the moment that figure is about 15 percent to uh South East Asia. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] And ah, ah at the moment that figure is about 15 percent
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[Dudley] I think there's a lot [Elisabeth] So that's where the future lies? [Dudley] That's right I'm sure that's where the future is [Elisabeth] Yes [Dudley] yeah, [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] and uh [Dudley] I think there's a lot [Elisabeth] So that's where the future lies? [Dudley] That's right I'm sure that's where the future is [Elisabeth] Yes [Dudley] yeah, [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] and uh
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you know, we've still got this enormous depth of, of knowledge you know, we've still got this enormous depth of, of knowledge
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Uh, all, all that skill has brought us this far. [Elisabeth] Yeah. [Dudley] It's, it's, you don't lose that Uh, all, all that skill has brought us this far. [Elisabeth] Yeah. [Dudley] It's, it's, you don't lose that
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in 5 minutes. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] So uh I think it looks pretty good actually. [Elisabeth] Mm. Is, are there any other in 5 minutes. [Elisabeth] Mm. [Dudley] So uh I think it looks pretty good actually. [Elisabeth] Mm. Is, are there any other
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matters that we haven't covered that you'd like to talk about? matters that we haven't covered that you'd like to talk about?
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I, I can't, I actu- I can't think of anything. I, I can't, I actu- I can't think of anything.
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Think I've just chatted as we've gone through. I don't know that there's any particular topics Think I've just chatted as we've gone through. I don't know that there's any particular topics
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[Inaudible]. [Inaudible].