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So with the sheltered workshop they were sorting um bits and pieces so that you could So with the sheltered workshop they were sorting um bits and pieces so that you could
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sell it for scrap metal.  [Bill] He and I were just sell it for scrap metal.  [Bill] He and I were just
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a familiar story. Yes, yeah. Diverging for a minute, did a familiar story. Yes, yeah. Diverging for a minute, did
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Norm South mention Keith Wood Woodford Woodbridge Keith Woodbridge Norm South mention Keith Wood Woodford Woodbridge Keith Woodbridge
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Bruce Peters as foreman in the toolroom? [Elisabeth] I don't remember those names. [Bill] Yes  Bruce Peters as foreman in the toolroom? [Elisabeth] I don't remember those names. [Bill] Yes 
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they were. One became a, er, one went to production, the other they were. One became a, er, one went to production, the other
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came into the office. Sorry go on. [Elisabeth] did the sheltered workshop do any came into the office. Sorry go on. [Elisabeth] did the sheltered workshop do any
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any assembly work for Email? [Bill] Not at that stage, not to my knowledge at that stage. any assembly work for Email? [Bill] Not at that stage, not to my knowledge at that stage.
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I think that came later, actually, when we had a few training I think that came later, actually, when we had a few training
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programs and things like that too. They were doing some work, well I'm assuming programs and things like that too. They were doing some work, well I'm assuming
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now I was president then. At that stage, we were eeking out  now I was president then. At that stage, we were eeking out 
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a living, I tell you, you know with all these little bits and pieces and the mundane work for people it was a living, I tell you, you know with all these little bits and pieces and the mundane work for people it was
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it was terrible but some were happy enough to do it. [Elisabeth] Yeh. it was terrible but some were happy enough to do it. [Elisabeth] Yeh.
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I believe you also um had an important hand in setting up the I believe you also um had an important hand in setting up the
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Retired Employees Association. [Bill] Yes well that Retired Employees Association. [Bill] Yes well that
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the initial idea of that came from the plant the initial idea of that came from the plant
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manager at the time, Dudley Roth. [Elisabeth] Right. manager at the time, Dudley Roth. [Elisabeth] Right.
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On my retirement because he thought that just shaking a hand of people as they marched On my retirement because he thought that just shaking a hand of people as they marched
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at the door to their retirement was a pretty cruel way of doing it. Cruel in the draculin's at the door to their retirement was a pretty cruel way of doing it. Cruel in the draculin's
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sense I mean. [Chuckles] And would it be possible to form sense I mean. [Chuckles] And would it be possible to form
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an association perhaps as an association perhaps as
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the retirees, the idea being to keep the link with retirees to the retirees, the idea being to keep the link with retirees to
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plant. The idea, with the idea of them being able to come plant. The idea, with the idea of them being able to come
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back and see people with whom they'd worked for many years, and also back and see people with whom they'd worked for many years, and also
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see the progress of the plant and possibly to get see the progress of the plant and possibly to get
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a little foreigner done. Because I think a few of those [Chuckle] got done from time to time. a little foreigner done. Because I think a few of those [Chuckle] got done from time to time.
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And uh so you helped set that up? [Bill] I did set it up. Yes. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Bill] I And uh so you helped set that up? [Bill] I did set it up. Yes. [Elisabeth] Yes. [Bill] I
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Got Got
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a list of the retirees. A letter sent out to each of them through Frank Corey. a list of the retirees. A letter sent out to each of them through Frank Corey.
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And uh we set up And uh we set up
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a meeting date. 150 of them turned up. And a meeting date. 150 of them turned up. And
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batted the idea around the group being formed. To which they agreed. batted the idea around the group being formed. To which they agreed.
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And, I drew up the constitution for them based on And, I drew up the constitution for them based on
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the senior citizens format with the senior citizens format with
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and also times to meet and also times to meet
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and, a number of times to meet, trying to work it in so and, a number of times to meet, trying to work it in so
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we could have the access to the plant there at those times. Cause Dudley was quite we could have the access to the plant there at those times. Cause Dudley was quite
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happy to make afternoon tea available to people happy to make afternoon tea available to people
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and so forth, so we did, it took a bit to get  and so forth, so we did, it took a bit to get 
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rolling, uh. So, the impetus was there for it to start but rolling, uh. So, the impetus was there for it to start but
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not everybody wanted  not everybody wanted 
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to do a range of things, which I thought they would, I thought they would really take to bowls and golf to do a range of things, which I thought they would, I thought they would really take to bowls and golf
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and cards and, uh, helping people. You know meals-on-wheels,  and cards and, uh, helping people. You know meals-on-wheels, 
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all that sort of thing. But apart from a few of them, the bus trips, the bus trips, all that sort of thing. But apart from a few of them, the bus trips, the bus trips,
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meals-on-wheels, which I was very keen to have that get going. meals-on-wheels, which I was very keen to have that get going.
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Most of the other things just fell by the wayside. People would say they would be happy to join and  Most of the other things just fell by the wayside. People would say they would be happy to join and 
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bowls, we went for, groups of us went up and learnt bowls there, the Newstead Bowling Club bowls, we went for, groups of us went up and learnt bowls there, the Newstead Bowling Club
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to to
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bowl a few bowls and some of them stayed and some of them didn't. Golf bowl a few bowls and some of them stayed and some of them didn't. Golf
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same thing again. Cards didn't take on. same thing again. Cards didn't take on.
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Knitting, crochet group, there was Knitting, crochet group, there was
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a whole range which I thought would you know be lapped up.  a whole range which I thought would you know be lapped up. 
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But they enjoyed their trips away still I believe? {Bill]Aw yes, they really blossomed yes. But But they enjoyed their trips away still I believe? {Bill]Aw yes, they really blossomed yes. But
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to make them  to make them 
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viable, in these you know scope of peoples   viable, in these you know scope of peoples  
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resources we had to ah ask this or resources we had to ah ask this or
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suggest that if they have friends who wanted to go we'd be happy to come suggest that if they have friends who wanted to go we'd be happy to come
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along provided they pay a little more than the  along provided they pay a little more than the 
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retirees at that stage we set it at $2.00, we only aimed retirees at that stage we set it at $2.00, we only aimed
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at meeting costs, meeting the cost of the trip. at meeting costs, meeting the cost of the trip.
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I had the idea that we throw in drink and bikkies and so forth half way down each time I had the idea that we throw in drink and bikkies and so forth half way down each time
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And I believe they have an annual luncheon at the Email plant in August  And I believe they have an annual luncheon at the Email plant in August 
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Ah yes we made I think the August  Ah yes we made I think the August 
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the day for the Annual General Meeting that was set down for the  the day for the Annual General Meeting that was set down for the 
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articles of association  articles of association 
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And of course there is the Christmas dinner that's for all pensioners. {Bill} Thats for all pensioners And of course there is the Christmas dinner that's for all pensioners. {Bill} Thats for all pensioners
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not just Email [Bill] no that's by the by the trade union not just Email [Bill] no that's by the by the trade union
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What do you think the impact of Email has been on Orange over the years? What do you think the impact of Email has been on Orange over the years?
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The financial impact or culturally? [Elisbaeth] Any [Bill] Well financially    The financial impact or culturally? [Elisbaeth] Any [Bill] Well financially   
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orange could NOT orange could NOT
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have offered progress without Email because have offered progress without Email because
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from where we were facing takeover and there was a panic  from where we were facing takeover and there was a panic 
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a real chance of being taken over too [Elisabeth] Yeah and who was that  a real chance of being taken over too [Elisabeth] Yeah and who was that 
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Dear oh dear, I think you'll find ? & Peters  Dear oh dear, I think you'll find ? & Peters 
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I'm pretty sure I skimmed through, I read that a takeover was mentioned I'm pretty sure I skimmed through, I read that a takeover was mentioned
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what happened with what happened with
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a couple white knights came to the rescue and got us out of trouble. Culturally a couple white knights came to the rescue and got us out of trouble. Culturally
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 Well I guess the fact that  Well I guess the fact that
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So many ratepayers worked at  So many ratepayers worked at 
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Email made it possible for this place to be built  Email made it possible for this place to be built 
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Now the base was there, the financial base was there to have  Now the base was there, the financial base was there to have 
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the multicultural, yes because so many different cultures came together  the multicultural, yes because so many different cultures came together 
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some of them grouped together, some of them didn't  some of them grouped together, some of them didn't 
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the diverseness was good for Orange too, very good the diverseness was good for Orange too, very good
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sporting wise, we had our, well we paid for it, we had our  sporting wise, we had our, well we paid for it, we had our 
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own, Clive Lloyd and myself actually got the  own, Clive Lloyd and myself actually got the 
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tennis courts going again up there before they were knocked over, there's a golf tennis courts going again up there before they were knocked over, there's a golf
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the golf days  the golf days 
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at Email, the annual cricket matches there at Email, the annual cricket matches there
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all nice   [Elisabeth] Do you think people who don't work at Email  all nice   [Elisabeth] Do you think people who don't work at Email 
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or never worked at Email realize the importance of Email to the city [Bill] Probably no  or never worked at Email realize the importance of Email to the city [Bill] Probably no 
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It exists out there for the ones out there that makes their refrigerators It exists out there for the ones out there that makes their refrigerators
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ok the fact that he sells and makes a profit and pays a minimum of dollars ok the fact that he sells and makes a profit and pays a minimum of dollars
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the impact is not, its gradually  the impact is not, its gradually 
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the number of people that have worked at Email, broaden out through the  the number of people that have worked at Email, broaden out through the 
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community who gradually get, come home to people well the penny will drop, community who gradually get, come home to people well the penny will drop,
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it has to. [Elisabeth] We seem to have covered a lot it has to. [Elisabeth] We seem to have covered a lot
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covered a  covered a 
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a lot of ground, is there any other aspects of your career you'd like to talk about? a lot of ground, is there any other aspects of your career you'd like to talk about?
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. .
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As a result of  As a result of 
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we can talk about the  we can talk about the 
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retirees, out of the retirees came the idea retirees, out of the retirees came the idea
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of assisting people in need. It was mainly in the first instance  of assisting people in need. It was mainly in the first instance 
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assisting the retirees because some of them were lonely people on their own assisting the retirees because some of them were lonely people on their own
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or pass on one person or pass on one person
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People were too reticent coming forward to have washers fitted to their tap People were too reticent coming forward to have washers fitted to their tap
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or anything we were willing to do anything. We cut down trees or anything we were willing to do anything. We cut down trees
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and the like. Yeah, but otherwise you know people  and the like. Yeah, but otherwise you know people 
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I was sure there was a whole I was sure there was a whole
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lot of people who'd want to be helped by people they knew lot of people who'd want to be helped by people they knew
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and it was completely confidential I said that  and it was completely confidential I said that 
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they're just asking for some you know start helping they're just asking for some you know start helping
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that was one that fell in a heap unfortunately but we did of course  that was one that fell in a heap unfortunately but we did of course 
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apart from Arthur Gardner who was retired and just    apart from Arthur Gardner who was retired and just   
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offer support and things like that. You know I'm just trying to offer support and things like that. You know I'm just trying to
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think think
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From my point of view it was good as  From my point of view it was good as 
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a parent. To be able to get a parent. To be able to get
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a couple of the family there on the shop floor or working for the  a couple of the family there on the shop floor or working for the 
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scrap department where they saw the other side of the coin if they  scrap department where they saw the other side of the coin if they 
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didn't progress you know if they didn't have a target in mind  didn't progress you know if they didn't have a target in mind 
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objective to work to, and what the, what might  objective to work to, and what the, what might 
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want to avoid it. You know please don't get on the assembly line and people want to avoid it. You know please don't get on the assembly line and people
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particularly some married women love the work because, and they're good at it, really good particularly some married women love the work because, and they're good at it, really good
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ah, because it's constant they don't have to be thinking about anything else like shelving ah, because it's constant they don't have to be thinking about anything else like shelving
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pulleys, pulleys,
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the job they're doing, they get away from home and get out and meet other people. oh, it has lots of other  the job they're doing, they get away from home and get out and meet other people. oh, it has lots of other 
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advantages to do a mundane job, there is a lot of you have  advantages to do a mundane job, there is a lot of you have 
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a satisfactory  a satisfactory 
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be pretty good but her. be pretty good but her.
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No in other words to work towards something you enjoy doing. No in other words to work towards something you enjoy doing.
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Something you can do.  Something you can do.