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This is Margaret Farlow conducting an interview with her mother PAT JENKINS on the This is Margaret Farlow conducting an interview with her mother PAT JENKINS on the
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28th of January 1998. Pat, you were born in Ryde. 28th of January 1998. Pat, you were born in Ryde.
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70 years ago now 120 years in it would trade throughout our lives it is not far 70 years ago now 120 years in it would trade throughout our lives it is not far
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from the post office. And don't divulge I'm counting on from the post office. And don't divulge I'm counting on
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a Sunday morning. At 6 am I was told. a Sunday morning. At 6 am I was told.
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[Margaret] And what's your earliest memories of that house. [Patricia] Oh it was nice and close to everything [Margaret] And what's your earliest memories of that house. [Patricia] Oh it was nice and close to everything
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as I grew up it was close to the trams and "ah" the as I grew up it was close to the trams and "ah" the
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shops and it had a nice garden and fruit trees shops and it had a nice garden and fruit trees
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[Margaret] It's "ah" not far from Top Ryde shopping centre now. [Patricia] No [Margaret] But Top Ryde shopping [Margaret] It's "ah" not far from Top Ryde shopping centre now. [Patricia] No [Margaret] But Top Ryde shopping
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[Margaret] Top Ryde shopping centre wasn't there then. [Patricia] No [Margaret] What what was around then? [Patricia] There was a [Margaret] Top Ryde shopping centre wasn't there then. [Patricia] No [Margaret] What what was around then? [Patricia] There was a
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"um" "ar" Grocery was "ar" Broadhead and Barchums "um" "ar" Grocery was "ar" Broadhead and Barchums
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and "um" the butcher shops were there and "um" the butcher shops were there
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and the greengrocer's and the newsagents was there. In in the main Blaxland and the greengrocer's and the newsagents was there. In in the main Blaxland
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Road area. And "um there were 2 ham and beef Road area. And "um there were 2 ham and beef
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shops and "um" there was "um" near the shops and "um" there was "um" near the
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Town Hall there was a mens wear shop and "um" Town Hall there was a mens wear shop and "um"
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There was a little lending library. Miss ?Glassop? There was a little lending library. Miss ?Glassop?
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I think had that. And the books did'nt cost very much when I was young. I think had that. And the books did'nt cost very much when I was young.
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[Patricia] It was you had to pay about a penny I think. [Margaret] And did you often borrow [Patricia] It was you had to pay about a penny I think. [Margaret] And did you often borrow
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[Margaret] a books. [Patricia] Yes, yes I read all the, as I grew up I read all the [Margaret] a books. [Patricia] Yes, yes I read all the, as I grew up I read all the
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Anne of Green Gables and Pat of SilverBush and all those Anne of Green Gables and Pat of SilverBush and all those
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[Patricia] books yep. [Margaret] Now tell me about Edward Street [Patricia] books yep. [Margaret] Now tell me about Edward Street
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[Margaret] Cottages or [Patricia] No, no when I was a girl [Margaret] It's all it's all [Margaret] Cottages or [Patricia] No, no when I was a girl [Margaret] It's all it's all
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[Margaret] all units now yes. [Patricia] There were padlocks yes. And I believe there were only about 1, 2 [Margaret] all units now yes. [Patricia] There were padlocks yes. And I believe there were only about 1, 2
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3, 4 or 5 houses in the Street when ours was built. There was no 3, 4 or 5 houses in the Street when ours was built. There was no
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hotel at the end of the Street at that time. And you could see straight across to hotel at the end of the Street at that time. And you could see straight across to
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Ryde Park area. Ryde Park area.
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[Margaret] Your mother was from the country [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] She was born in the country. [Margaret] Your mother was from the country [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] She was born in the country.
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from the Dubbo area near the Bell from the Dubbo area near the Bell
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[Patricia] River. [Margaret] And your father was born in Scotland. [Patricia] Yes in ?Clapmaninshire? [Margaret] And he [Patricia] River. [Margaret] And your father was born in Scotland. [Patricia] Yes in ?Clapmaninshire? [Margaret] And he
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[Margaret] come and worked in the country. [Patricia] At Dubbo yes. [Margaret] And gone back and forth in the [Margaret] come and worked in the country. [Patricia] At Dubbo yes. [Margaret] And gone back and forth in the
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[Margaret] First World War. [Patricia] Yes that's right. He fought for the Australians in the First World War yes. [Margaret] First World War. [Patricia] Yes that's right. He fought for the Australians in the First World War yes.
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[Margaret] What do you think made them come and settle in Ryde? Do you know? [Patricia] No I don't I [Margaret] What do you think made them come and settle in Ryde? Do you know? [Patricia] No I don't I
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got no idea about that because I don't think they knew anybody in Ryde at that got no idea about that because I don't think they knew anybody in Ryde at that
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time but, "um" it was a time but, "um" it was a
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[Patricia] new home brick home they moved into. [Margaret] Tell us about how big was it? [Patricia] He had to make [Patricia] new home brick home they moved into. [Margaret] Tell us about how big was it? [Patricia] He had to make
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garden and "um" and he had lawns on the front and a hedge. And "um" garden and "um" and he had lawns on the front and a hedge. And "um"
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lots of fruit trees out the back. There was plum and peach and fig and apple. lots of fruit trees out the back. There was plum and peach and fig and apple.
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And vegetables. He used to And vegetables. He used to
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[Patricia] grow those as well "mm". [Margaret] And what sort of work did he do? [Patricia] He was a storeman. [Margaret] Where did he work? [Patricia] grow those as well "mm". [Margaret] And what sort of work did he do? [Patricia] He was a storeman. [Margaret] Where did he work?
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Well, towards the end of his life at Beetle Well, towards the end of his life at Beetle
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[Patricia] Elliots in Rozelle. "mm" [Margaret] And as you were growing up what whats your first [Patricia] Elliots in Rozelle. "mm" [Margaret] And as you were growing up what whats your first
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memory. Earliest memory of memory. Earliest memory of
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"Ar" I suppose just, running around running on the grass and "Ar" I suppose just, running around running on the grass and
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[Patricia] Trying to climb the trees "laughs" [Margaret] You were an only child [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes did you [Patricia] Trying to climb the trees "laughs" [Margaret] You were an only child [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes did you
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[Margaret] sure. [Patricia] Yes there was a big family next door and if they had [Margaret] sure. [Patricia] Yes there was a big family next door and if they had
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an argument between themselves there were 3 girls and 2 boys, I would go home an argument between themselves there were 3 girls and 2 boys, I would go home
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straight away. And then they'd come and say we've stopped fighting now you can come back. straight away. And then they'd come and say we've stopped fighting now you can come back.
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[Patricia] Pat. "laughs" [Margaret] And do you remember when you went, first went to school? [Patricia] Pat. "laughs" [Margaret] And do you remember when you went, first went to school?
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yes, I I do remember that yes and "um" I had another yes, I I do remember that yes and "um" I had another
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good friend who was older than me and she had 2 sisters and one was the same age as good friend who was older than me and she had 2 sisters and one was the same age as
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me and she would take the whole 3 "um" of us smaller ones to school every morning. me and she would take the whole 3 "um" of us smaller ones to school every morning.
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[Patricia] and bring me home of a afternoon. [Margaret] And you went to St Charles. [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes, how did you get there? [Patricia] and we walked [Patricia] and bring me home of a afternoon. [Margaret] And you went to St Charles. [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes, how did you get there? [Patricia] and we walked
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[Patricia] we walked [Margaret] we walked [Patricia] Yes yes we walked there and walked back always. [Patricia] we walked [Margaret] we walked [Patricia] Yes yes we walked there and walked back always.
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And you were in the the new brick building And you were in the the new brick building
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[Margaret] as child when you went to school? [Patricia] No No [Margaret] Or in the old brick building? [Patricia] No no I wasn't in the old building and I wasn't in the [Margaret] as child when you went to school? [Patricia] No No [Margaret] Or in the old brick building? [Patricia] No no I wasn't in the old building and I wasn't in the
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new building that I can remember I was in a temporary building. new building that I can remember I was in a temporary building.
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I must of been in the old building to start with I suppose. And it was turned into a I must of been in the old building to start with I suppose. And it was turned into a
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a hall. And by the time I grew up and remembered it, it was like a school hall and a hall. And by the time I grew up and remembered it, it was like a school hall and
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in the parish hall but it was classrooms. And there was also another building that in the parish hall but it was classrooms. And there was also another building that
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was pulled down that was there between that hall and the new school. was pulled down that was there between that hall and the new school.
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[Margaret] And did you wear uniforms to school? [Patricia] Yes yes we did. We wore a navy pleated skirt and a [Margaret] And did you wear uniforms to school? [Patricia] Yes yes we did. We wore a navy pleated skirt and a
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[Patricia] white blouse and a tie. [Margaret] And were there boys and girls in the same class? [Patricia] white blouse and a tie. [Margaret] And were there boys and girls in the same class?
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To commence with yes until they went to the Brothers at 3rd class. To commence with yes until they went to the Brothers at 3rd class.
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[Patricia] In those days. [Margaret] And do you remember your teachers? Your earliest teachers? [Patricia] Yes [Patricia] In those days. [Margaret] And do you remember your teachers? Your earliest teachers? [Patricia] Yes
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I had Sister Mary Cyril and Sister Mary Fabian was in charge of the school. I had Sister Mary Cyril and Sister Mary Fabian was in charge of the school.
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Do you remember learning things well. But did you write on slates or did you Do you remember learning things well. But did you write on slates or did you
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No I can remember writing on slates. And then I can remember having exercise books. No I can remember writing on slates. And then I can remember having exercise books.
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And "um" I liked school and I liked, And "um" I liked school and I liked,
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[Patricia] sums and I liked spelling, yeah. [Margaret] And did you have [Patricia] sums and I liked spelling, yeah. [Margaret] And did you have
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[Margaret] spelling tests? [Patricia] Yes spelling bees yes and when you gotta [Margaret] spelling tests? [Patricia] Yes spelling bees yes and when you gotta
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[Patricia] a word wrong you were out. "laughs" [Margaret] And that was a [Patricia] a word wrong you were out. "laughs" [Margaret] And that was a
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[Margaret] daily routine or weekly? [Patricia] Weekly I'd say more than [Margaret] daily routine or weekly? [Patricia] Weekly I'd say more than
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[Patricia] daily "mm" [Margaret] yeah and "um" What level of school [Patricia] daily "mm" [Margaret] yeah and "um" What level of school
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[Margaret] did you go to? [Patricia] I did the Intermediate certificate, which was at St Charles in those days [Margaret] did you go to? [Patricia] I did the Intermediate certificate, which was at St Charles in those days
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and then they had a commercial college and I did and then they had a commercial college and I did
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a year of shorthand and typing and got certificates a year of shorthand and typing and got certificates
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T.S.A. T.S.A.
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[Patricia] certificates for that. [Margaret] And when you finished school how old were you? [Patricia] 14 [Patricia] certificates for that. [Margaret] And when you finished school how old were you? [Patricia] 14
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[Patricia] and 9 months. [Margaret] And what did you do then? [Patricia] I well I went to the Public [Patricia] and 9 months. [Margaret] And what did you do then? [Patricia] I well I went to the Public
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Service for an interview and there were 3 of us from that class and we Service for an interview and there were 3 of us from that class and we
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were all were put to work, in the Department of Trade and Customs and the Division were all were put to work, in the Department of Trade and Customs and the Division
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was the Division of Import Procurement was referred to as the DIP. was the Division of Import Procurement was referred to as the DIP.
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So they used to call it the dip [Margaret] Very good [Patricia] and it was So they used to call it the dip [Margaret] Very good [Patricia] and it was
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protected ar "um" industry because the war was on at that time. protected ar "um" industry because the war was on at that time.
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[Margaret] And "er" Do you remember how much you earnt when you first started work? [Patricia] Well I did the [Margaret] And "er" Do you remember how much you earnt when you first started work? [Patricia] Well I did the
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shorthand and typing and I can remember bringing my pay packet home shorthand and typing and I can remember bringing my pay packet home
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and my parents said it was and my parents said it was
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a lot of money because there was 5 pound in it. I can remember that which was a lot of money because there was 5 pound in it. I can remember that which was
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very good money. But I think it was almost 2 very good money. But I think it was almost 2
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weeks pay. Because there hadn't, we hadn't had a pay when we first , the first week we were there. weeks pay. Because there hadn't, we hadn't had a pay when we first , the first week we were there.
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[Margaret] And that was in the city that you worked? [Patricia] "um" Yes I did work in the city in a building [Margaret] And that was in the city that you worked? [Patricia] "um" Yes I did work in the city in a building
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it was called Bourke House and it was "um" on the corner of Bourke Street and William it was called Bourke House and it was "um" on the corner of Bourke Street and William
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[Patricia] Street [Margaret] And you were. How did you travel there? [Patricia]"er" By the tram from Ryde Post Office [Patricia] Street [Margaret] And you were. How did you travel there? [Patricia]"er" By the tram from Ryde Post Office
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and then I would walk straight down Park Street. I'd get off at Sydney and then I would walk straight down Park Street. I'd get off at Sydney
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[Patricia] Town Hall and walk down Park Street. [Margaret] And the war was on at that stage? [Patricia] Yes [Patricia] Town Hall and walk down Park Street. [Margaret] And the war was on at that stage? [Patricia] Yes
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[Patricia] it was. [Margaret] Did you "um" find there was shortages or what [Patricia] it was. [Margaret] Did you "um" find there was shortages or what
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[Margaret] are your memories of that time? [Patricia] Oh yes there weren't any [Margaret] are your memories of that time? [Patricia] Oh yes there weren't any
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materials you had to have coupons to buy material for your clothes. materials you had to have coupons to buy material for your clothes.
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and "um" we used to make most of them. I remember I went to sewing at and "um" we used to make most of them. I remember I went to sewing at
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school and then when I left there were lessons at, "er" Ryde. And I went to school and then when I left there were lessons at, "er" Ryde. And I went to
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those. And I made dresses and blouses with the material those. And I made dresses and blouses with the material
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and and
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used to save them used to save them
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up if you wanted anything special. "mm" And sugar was rationed and up if you wanted anything special. "mm" And sugar was rationed and
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[Patricia] butter too during the war. [Margaret] And during the war [Patricia] butter too during the war. [Margaret] And during the war
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[Margaret] what did your father do during the war? [Patricia] He joined the army reserve and "uh" [Margaret] what did your father do during the war? [Patricia] He joined the army reserve and "uh"
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he was too old to go, having been to the First World War to go to the he was too old to go, having been to the First World War to go to the
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"um" Egypt again or to "um" Europe. "um" Egypt again or to "um" Europe.
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But he was in "um". When I was still at school he was put on guarding the But he was in "um". When I was still at school he was put on guarding the
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"um" bases like and the radio stations "ar" the "um" bases like and the radio stations "ar" the
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ABC they had a ABC they had a
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the "um" I think they were called the home defence. And he was in the "um" I think they were called the home defence. And he was in
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[Patricia] in that "mm". [Margaret] And did he live at home during that time? [Patricia] No no he lived in the barracks but he [Patricia] in that "mm". [Margaret] And did he live at home during that time? [Patricia] No no he lived in the barracks but he
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come home on he's day's leave of course "mm". And we had a come home on he's day's leave of course "mm". And we had a
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our own vegetables and fruit and we also had chickens. I forgot to tell you our own vegetables and fruit and we also had chickens. I forgot to tell you
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you that and we got own eggs. But mum and I would never kill one of them. you that and we got own eggs. But mum and I would never kill one of them.
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When he'd say we'd have to have a When he'd say we'd have to have a
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chicken you know that was "um" quite effective thing to have. it chicken you know that was "um" quite effective thing to have. it
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[Patricia] But we wouldn't they were more like pets. "laughs" "mm" [Margaret] And "er" [Patricia] But we wouldn't they were more like pets. "laughs" "mm" [Margaret] And "er"
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[Margaret] you said your father built an air raid bunker in the backyard. [Patricia] Yes in the back lawn, [Margaret] you said your father built an air raid bunker in the backyard. [Patricia] Yes in the back lawn,
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and it had steps down into it and it was like a and it had steps down into it and it was like a
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a trench, but he had put seats each side of it with the wood on it, on the seats a trench, but he had put seats each side of it with the wood on it, on the seats
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that he said we could, they were fairly wide. So he said mum and I could sleep there if that he said we could, they were fairly wide. So he said mum and I could sleep there if
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we had to and he had a cover over it too, of a we had to and he had a cover over it too, of a
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a day-time. And "uh" we had some "um" tinned food that we had a day-time. And "uh" we had some "um" tinned food that we had
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stored down under the " uh" seats and that. In case we had to stay there stored down under the " uh" seats and that. In case we had to stay there
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[Patricia] at invasion. [Margaret] So did you feel did you feel there was a [Patricia] at invasion. [Margaret] So did you feel did you feel there was a
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[Margaret] real threat or your father felt there was a real threat? [Patricia] Oh I think when the [Margaret] real threat or your father felt there was a real threat? [Patricia] Oh I think when the
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subs came in at Rose Bay he did. Because at one stage he was at the subs came in at Rose Bay he did. Because at one stage he was at the
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Rose Bay flying base, and we would go out there and visit him on a Sunday. Rose Bay flying base, and we would go out there and visit him on a Sunday.
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in the tram if he was still on duty. They used to be guards on duty. in the tram if he was still on duty. They used to be guards on duty.
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[Patricia] from the army. [Margaret] And "um" was it normal to have a air-raid [Patricia] from the army. [Margaret] And "um" was it normal to have a air-raid
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[Margaret] base "er" bunker in your backyard? [Patricia] I think [Margaret] base "er" bunker in your backyard? [Patricia] I think
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a lot of people did yes. And you heard the sirens go and " um" that a lot of people did yes. And you heard the sirens go and " um" that
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practice for the in case they raided "uh" Sydney with bombs and that. practice for the in case they raided "uh" Sydney with bombs and that.
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[Margaret] And you you had your windows blacked out did you? [Patricia] Yes yes we had blackout curtains. And "uh" the man [Margaret] And you you had your windows blacked out did you? [Patricia] Yes yes we had blackout curtains. And "uh" the man
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next door was the air raid warden "ya" "mm". So he would tell us next door was the air raid warden "ya" "mm". So he would tell us
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you know what was required and that "mm". Everybody did you know what was required and that "mm". Everybody did
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and the the the "er" lights were shaded to in the street. It was very dull and the the the "er" lights were shaded to in the street. It was very dull
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Now getting back your childhood, what games did you play or hobbies? Now getting back your childhood, what games did you play or hobbies?
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[Margaret] or sport or activities do you remember? [Patricia] Yes yes we used to play in [Margaret] or sport or activities do you remember? [Patricia] Yes yes we used to play in
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play in the one of the paddocks. And it had "er" like a pitch play in the one of the paddocks. And it had "er" like a pitch
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and the boys used to play cricket "um" there and and the boys used to play cricket "um" there and
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well used to go to the swimming at well used to go to the swimming at
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Meadowbank bath. Yeah because I had an aunt in Constitution Road, and her Meadowbank bath. Yeah because I had an aunt in Constitution Road, and her
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husband was a prisoner of war. And she had 2 children. And on a hot day we'd husband was a prisoner of war. And she had 2 children. And on a hot day we'd
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go down and she'd come with us. And we'd walk to Meadowbank baths but it was a bit go down and she'd come with us. And we'd walk to Meadowbank baths but it was a bit
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[Patricia] muddy. "laughs" [Margaret] And was the "um" there a [Patricia] muddy. "laughs" [Margaret] And was the "um" there a
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[Margaret] concern about sharks? Or did you ever swim in the river or only in the baths? [Patricia] No only in [Margaret] concern about sharks? Or did you ever swim in the river or only in the baths? [Patricia] No only in
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baths but "um" we knew there were sharks in the river yes. baths but "um" we knew there were sharks in the river yes.
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[Margaret] And "er" you joined the VAD [Patricia] Yes when [Margaret] Can ya tell me how old you were? [Patricia] I was 18 [Margaret] And "er" you joined the VAD [Patricia] Yes when [Margaret] Can ya tell me how old you were? [Patricia] I was 18
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18 18
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[Margaret] explain what the VAD's were. [Patricia] You had to be 18. Its theVoluntary [Margaret] explain what the VAD's were. [Patricia] You had to be 18. Its theVoluntary
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Aid Detachment of the Red Cross. And at that time I was working in Aid Detachment of the Red Cross. And at that time I was working in
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Macquarie Street and I saw them all marching and that after the war they had a Macquarie Street and I saw them all marching and that after the war they had a
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a march and "er" they" were looking for recruits and "er" a march and "er" they" were looking for recruits and "er"
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we went into it and I joined the Scottish detachment. And I really we went into it and I joined the Scottish detachment. And I really
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enjoyed being there with the girls. And we did our first aid and home nursing certificate enjoyed being there with the girls. And we did our first aid and home nursing certificate
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at Sydney hospital. And "er" it was a real at Sydney hospital. And "er" it was a real
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happy time for us all. And we all still meet each other now. And "er" happy time for us all. And we all still meet each other now. And "er"
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made a lot of "er" friends. And we used to go to the made a lot of "er" friends. And we used to go to the
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hospital because they were, they were very short of nursing aids and that. hospital because they were, they were very short of nursing aids and that.
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And "er" from the time I was 18 to about 21 And "er" from the time I was 18 to about 21
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we use to guys to "er" Crown Street Hospital and we use to guys to "er" Crown Street Hospital and
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[Patricia] and went to Ryde Hospital to, to Denistone House. [Margaret]"mm" And was that just on a [Patricia] and went to Ryde Hospital to, to Denistone House. [Margaret]"mm" And was that just on a
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[Margaret] like a weekend? [Patricia] Yes yes whenever you could go you'd either go Saturday [Margaret] like a weekend? [Patricia] Yes yes whenever you could go you'd either go Saturday
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or Sunday and they were always pleased to see you. And you'd have just or Sunday and they were always pleased to see you. And you'd have just
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[Patricia] the tasks to do, nothing difficult. [Margaret] What sort of things were you doing? [Patricia] Well we weren't to keen [Patricia] the tasks to do, nothing difficult. [Margaret] What sort of things were you doing? [Patricia] Well we weren't to keen
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on Crown Street because there was a very great shortage of on Crown Street because there was a very great shortage of
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x-ray plates and they'd give you an apron and a x-ray plates and they'd give you an apron and a
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a pair of gloves and you used to scrub the x-ray a pair of gloves and you used to scrub the x-ray
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plates so they could use them again. And they were black and it was an awful job. plates so they could use them again. And they were black and it was an awful job.
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But up at "um" Ryde Hospital you could "er" "oh" But up at "um" Ryde Hospital you could "er" "oh"
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fold the bandages and the napkins and things like that fold the bandages and the napkins and things like that
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in Denistone House. And sometimes they might even let you "um" help, in Denistone House. And sometimes they might even let you "um" help,
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you know when they were bathing the babies and that in those days "mm". But there was always a you know when they were bathing the babies and that in those days "mm". But there was always a
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[Patricia] sister or a nurse there with you. "mm" [Margaret] And that was after the war? [Patricia] Yes [Patricia] sister or a nurse there with you. "mm" [Margaret] And that was after the war? [Patricia] Yes
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[Patricia] yes yes [Margaret] ??? went on for a number of years. [Patricia] That was after the war. [Patricia] yes yes [Margaret] ??? went on for a number of years. [Patricia] That was after the war.
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[Patricia] yes. [Margaret] Now "um". [Patricia] And I think they still are VA [Patricia] yes. [Margaret] Now "um". [Patricia] And I think they still are VA
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Detachments today that help out at the "um" different "um", there I know Detachments today that help out at the "um" different "um", there I know
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they have them still at the they have them still at the
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university and they helped out with the university sports, and "ah" university and they helped out with the university sports, and "ah"
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Scottish Detachment was actually attached to the Scottish Regiment and we Scottish Detachment was actually attached to the Scottish Regiment and we
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went on a went on a
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"um" tattoo once at Sydney a showground with "um" tattoo once at Sydney a showground with
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the "ar" army. And we had a the "ar" army. And we had a
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first aid tent there. And we used to go to "uh" camp and it was all the first aid first aid tent there. And we used to go to "uh" camp and it was all the first aid
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if anything happened to them you know, minor things. If anything was if anything happened to them you know, minor things. If anything was
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[Patricia] bad we got the doctor. "laughs" [Margaret] Now "um"your [Patricia] bad we got the doctor. "laughs" [Margaret] Now "um"your
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[Margaret] mother was Catholic [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes was church important in your family life? [Patricia] Yes yes yes [Margaret] mother was Catholic [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes was church important in your family life? [Patricia] Yes yes yes
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"um" we always went on a "um" we always went on a
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[Patricia] Sunday morning at 7 o'clock and "um" [Margaret] To St Charles? [Patricia] To St Charles [Patricia] Sunday morning at 7 o'clock and "um" [Margaret] To St Charles? [Patricia] To St Charles
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[Patricia] and we would walk. [Margaret] and what's you're- [Patricia] and we would walk. [Margaret] and what's you're-
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[Margaret] earliest memories of going to church? [Patricia] "um" oh I liked it "laughs" [Margaret] Nice [Margaret] earliest memories of going to church? [Patricia] "um" oh I liked it "laughs" [Margaret] Nice
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[Patricia] yes yeah and "um" you'd "um" [Margaret] You'd get dressed up? [Patricia] Yes! [Patricia] yes yeah and "um" you'd "um" [Margaret] You'd get dressed up? [Patricia] Yes!
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you had a you had a
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Sunday best dress and you didn't wear that any other time. Yeah and then when you Sunday best dress and you didn't wear that any other time. Yeah and then when you
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had a hat you always wore a had a hat you always wore a
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a hat. And as you got older you had little gloves and you wore your hat and a hat. And as you got older you had little gloves and you wore your hat and
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gloves and "ar" cause that's all gone now. And "er" I had a gloves and "ar" cause that's all gone now. And "er" I had a
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nice white communion dress I can remember. And I used wear that on a nice white communion dress I can remember. And I used wear that on a
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Sunday. And one Sunday, one of the boys next door was changing the Sunday. And one Sunday, one of the boys next door was changing the
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chain on his pushbike. And his sisters wouldn't hold it for him and I did and chain on his pushbike. And his sisters wouldn't hold it for him and I did and
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I got black grease on my white dress and I got into trouble. I remember that I got black grease on my white dress and I got into trouble. I remember that
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[Patricia] well. "laughs" [Margaret] And when you got into trouble what [Patricia] well. "laughs" [Margaret] And when you got into trouble what
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what do you mean? what do you mean?
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[Patricia] Oh [Margaret] You mother was cranky with you? [Patricia] Oh yes yes yes [Margaret] Were you sent to your room were you disciplined? [Patricia] Yes yes yes [Patricia] Oh [Margaret] You mother was cranky with you? [Patricia] Oh yes yes yes [Margaret] Were you sent to your room were you disciplined? [Patricia] Yes yes yes
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So were were your parents strict do ya think? So were were your parents strict do ya think?
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[Margaret] Or where you spoilt being an only girl? [Patricia] Well it was the norm for those days. Yes I suppose I was. But you know. [Margaret] Or where you spoilt being an only girl? [Patricia] Well it was the norm for those days. Yes I suppose I was. But you know.
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"um" I can remember you you "er"weren't allowed to "um" I can remember you you "er"weren't allowed to
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[Patricia] do things and I had to help "mm" yeah. [Margaret] So what were your chores around the house? [Patricia] do things and I had to help "mm" yeah. [Margaret] So what were your chores around the house?
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[Margaret] Did you have jobs or chores? [Patricia] Oh yes I had to dry up and make my bed. [Margaret] Did you have jobs or chores? [Patricia] Oh yes I had to dry up and make my bed.
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sweep and do all sorts of things, as I got older. And I used to love going sweep and do all sorts of things, as I got older. And I used to love going
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messages mom didn't really like going and I always liked doing that. messages mom didn't really like going and I always liked doing that.
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Now "um" tell us about the youth group at St Charles you were Now "um" tell us about the youth group at St Charles you were
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[Margaret] part of that? [Patricia] Yes yes I- I "er" joined the CYO it was called the [Margaret] part of that? [Patricia] Yes yes I- I "er" joined the CYO it was called the
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Catholic youth group and "er" we used to have a Catholic youth group and "er" we used to have a
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a meeting and I was on the committee at one stage and we'd have a meeting and I was on the committee at one stage and we'd have
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dances and picnics then we go on hikes. And when I was dances and picnics then we go on hikes. And when I was
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17 I made my debut and it was a 17 I made my debut and it was a
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the ball that was held in the Sydney Town Hall which I thought was a beautiful place. the ball that was held in the Sydney Town Hall which I thought was a beautiful place.
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[Patricia] And "um". [Margaret] Was that a St Charles ball or a Ryde ball? [Patricia] No it was- it was a Ryde [Patricia] And "um". [Margaret] Was that a St Charles ball or a Ryde ball? [Patricia] No it was- it was a Ryde
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[Patricia] ball in aid of St Brigid's orphanage which was in Ryde. [Margaret] "mm" [Patricia] The proceeds went to [Patricia] ball in aid of St Brigid's orphanage which was in Ryde. [Margaret] "mm" [Patricia] The proceeds went to
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[Patricia] that. [Margaret] "mm" [Patricia] And people came from everywhere. And there were about a [Patricia] that. [Margaret] "mm" [Patricia] And people came from everywhere. And there were about a
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a 100 debutantes and we were presented to Mr Ford who was the "uh" a 100 debutantes and we were presented to Mr Ford who was the "uh"
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Minister for the Army during the war, and then he was Prime Minister for a very Minister for the Army during the war, and then he was Prime Minister for a very
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[Patricia] short time or acting prime minister "mm" [Margaret] And did everyone make their debut was it [Patricia] short time or acting prime minister "mm" [Margaret] And did everyone make their debut was it
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[Patricia] normal for all your friends???? [Margaret] Well there were about a [Patricia] normal for all your friends???? [Margaret] Well there were about a
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100 local girls which is quite different than these days they- they have very 100 local girls which is quite different than these days they- they have very
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small numbers. But in those days, yes. And then you were able to go to the other ball small numbers. But in those days, yes. And then you were able to go to the other ball
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and they used to have them at the ?Ciro? in Drummoyne, which is now where the "err" and they used to have them at the ?Ciro? in Drummoyne, which is now where the "err"
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Drummoyne "uh" RSL is. And "er" we went to the ball Drummoyne "uh" RSL is. And "er" we went to the ball
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in the "er" Trocadero. Which was an Irish ball I think in the "er" Trocadero. Which was an Irish ball I think
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I remember. And we went to one in the Paddington Town Hall which was the I remember. And we went to one in the Paddington Town Hall which was the
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[Patricia] Scottish ball "mm". So they they used the halls in those days. "mm" [Margaret] And did you [Patricia] Scottish ball "mm". So they they used the halls in those days. "mm" [Margaret] And did you
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[Margaret] have new dresses or did you wear your debut dress? Was- was material still short? [Patricia] Oh I had to get [Margaret] have new dresses or did you wear your debut dress? Was- was material still short? [Patricia] Oh I had to get
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it was like when you think of it lingerie material. It was made white with a it was like when you think of it lingerie material. It was made white with a
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a little silk flower on it you know. And I think I got it from "er" Bowens and I- a little silk flower on it you know. And I think I got it from "er" Bowens and I-
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I'm nearly certain we still had to give coupons for it. I'm nearly certain we still had to give coupons for it.
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[Margaret] And your mother made it did she? [Patricia] No the lady "er" next door made it. [Margaret] And your mother made it did she? [Patricia] No the lady "er" next door made it.
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I remember she came and bought, and they were able to go up into the gallery at the I remember she came and bought, and they were able to go up into the gallery at the
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Sydney Town Hall and watch you being presented at the balls. Sydney Town Hall and watch you being presented at the balls.
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[Margaret] And "er" getting back to the CYO at St Charles. Was that a good time? [Patricia] Yes yes yes It gave [Margaret] And "er" getting back to the CYO at St Charles. Was that a good time? [Patricia] Yes yes yes It gave
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you something to do, and you were with a big group of friends, and "er" we went you something to do, and you were with a big group of friends, and "er" we went
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to swimming to the beach in the summer and hikes in the winter. to swimming to the beach in the summer and hikes in the winter.
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and we had "er" theatre and we had "er" theatre
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parties parties
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[Patricia] later on that we'd all go to the pictures or to a play that was on yes. [Margaret] and which [Patricia] later on that we'd all go to the pictures or to a play that was on yes. [Margaret] and which
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[Margaret] pictures was that did you normally go to any one in particular? [Patrica] "um" no [Margaret] pictures was that did you normally go to any one in particular? [Patrica] "um" no
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[Patricia] No it would be just some picture that everybody wanted to go and see yeah. [Margaret] So there was a [Patricia] No it would be just some picture that everybody wanted to go and see yeah. [Margaret] So there was a
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[Margaret] a choice of local theatres or did you go into the city? [Patricia] We we would [Margaret] a choice of local theatres or did you go into the city? [Patricia] We we would
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go to both, yeah. We would go to the local ones and also into the city ones go to both, yeah. We would go to the local ones and also into the city ones
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[Patricia] to, in the tram "mm" [Margaret] And [Patricia] to, in the tram "mm" [Margaret] And
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[Margaret] tell me when you met your husband. [Patricia] Yes playing tennis. [Margaret] Playing tennis [Patricia] Yes there was [Margaret] tell me when you met your husband. [Patricia] Yes playing tennis. [Margaret] Playing tennis [Patricia] Yes there was
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always always
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[Patricia] courts. [Margaret] Right [Patricia] I had met him at a wedding but he'd just come back from the war then. [Patricia] courts. [Margaret] Right [Patricia] I had met him at a wedding but he'd just come back from the war then.
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[Margaret] In 1946 and I was very young and I- and I thought they [Margaret] In 1946 and I was very young and I- and I thought they
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they were all much older than me. "laughs" But then I used to like playing they were all much older than me. "laughs" But then I used to like playing
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[Patricia] tennis with him. He was a good tennis player. "mm" [Margaret] And [Patricia] And I had a [Patricia] tennis with him. He was a good tennis player. "mm" [Margaret] And [Patricia] And I had a
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a new dress to be bridesmaid for my friend and I would show the girls at the "er" a new dress to be bridesmaid for my friend and I would show the girls at the "er"
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tennis all the materials and that. And he said seeing you've got a tennis all the materials and that. And he said seeing you've got a
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a new dress you better come to the ball with me. And I did. "laughs" a new dress you better come to the ball with me. And I did. "laughs"
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[Patricia] "mm" [Margaret] And which ball was that do you remember? [Patricia] I think it was his firms ball where he worked at. [Patricia] "mm" [Margaret] And which ball was that do you remember? [Patricia] I think it was his firms ball where he worked at.
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[Patricia] yes "mm" [Margaret] And "er" you got married in 19 [Patricia] yes "mm" [Margaret] And "er" you got married in 19
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[Patricia] 54 yeah. [Margaret] Right. And where did you live when you were first married? [Patricia] 54 yeah. [Margaret] Right. And where did you live when you were first married?
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We first lived in Coulter Street in Gladesville which is now the carpark. The house is gone. We first lived in Coulter Street in Gladesville which is now the carpark. The house is gone.
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And "um" it was And "um" it was
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 very handy and that, and I still "um" went to work for  very handy and that, and I still "um" went to work for
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[Patricia] a couple of years while we built our own home in Ryde. [Margaret] And [Patricia] a couple of years while we built our own home in Ryde. [Margaret] And
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actually lived in ?Ross? ??? for a actually lived in ?Ross? ??? for a
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[Margaret] little while. Which is the house at Meadowbank [Patricia] Yes yes it's where Hoover is now. [Margaret] Right [Patricia] And it belonged [Margaret] little while. Which is the house at Meadowbank [Patricia] Yes yes it's where Hoover is now. [Margaret] Right [Patricia] And it belonged
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It belonged to the Andersons, who were related to Kenneth and Lady Madge Anderson. It belonged to the Andersons, who were related to Kenneth and Lady Madge Anderson.
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And "um" they went and inspected the foundations of our house And "um" they went and inspected the foundations of our house
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"laughs" And we were more or less caretakers for them, while they were away "laughs" And we were more or less caretakers for them, while they were away
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overseas. And I worked at "um" Automatic overseas. And I worked at "um" Automatic
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?Totalisators? which was very very close there in Nancarrow Avenue. ?Totalisators? which was very very close there in Nancarrow Avenue.
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And "um" by the time they came back our house was finished and we moved in. And "um" by the time they came back our house was finished and we moved in.
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And that house has been demolished. Can you tell me what it looked like? What it And that house has been demolished. Can you tell me what it looked like? What it
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[Margaret] was like from the outside. [Patricia] It was "um" a brick and it was "um" just a 1 [Margaret] was like from the outside. [Patricia] It was "um" a brick and it was "um" just a 1
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story place with a hall down the centre. And "er" the rooms were story place with a hall down the centre. And "er" the rooms were
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quite big. quite big.
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And they had a cat that was called Midnight a And they had a cat that was called Midnight a
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a black cat and I had to look after that and It used to jump in through the a black cat and I had to look after that and It used to jump in through the
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windows when we left the windows open. "laughs" And it was used to that windows when we left the windows open. "laughs" And it was used to that
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and "um" when they came back the cat was well, and quite put on weight and "um" when they came back the cat was well, and quite put on weight
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[Patricia] they said. "laughs" Well looked after. [Margaret] And had you known them [Patricia] they said. "laughs" Well looked after. [Margaret] And had you known them
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[Margaret] at all before you went to mind their house? [Patricia] Yes yes my aunt lived in [Margaret] at all before you went to mind their house? [Patricia] Yes yes my aunt lived in
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Constitution Road and "um" she knew them yes. Constitution Road and "um" she knew them yes.
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[Margaret] What was Senator Anderson's position at that time. Was he important [Patricia] He was [Margaret] What was Senator Anderson's position at that time. Was he important [Patricia] He was
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[Margaret] locally or [Patricia] He was in the Government when we were there [Margaret] locally or [Patricia] He was in the Government when we were there
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in the Federal Government, yes. But he had been in the Federal Government, yes. But he had been
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very important locally on the Council and that. And he ended up very important locally on the Council and that. And he ended up
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up he was the leader of the Legislative up he was the leader of the Legislative
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[Patricia] Assembly. "mm" [Margaret] And when you first came to live in your present house in [Patricia] Assembly. "mm" [Margaret] And when you first came to live in your present house in
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[Margaret] ?Sisel? Street which you built. [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes what was it like? [Patricia] It was [Margaret] ?Sisel? Street which you built. [Patricia] Yes [Margaret] Yes what was it like? [Patricia] It was
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[Margaret] A house? [Patricia] Yes and it was like an [Margaret] A house? [Patricia] Yes and it was like an
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oiled weatherboard and it was in a L shape oiled weatherboard and it was in a L shape
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with "um" 2 bedrooms and a sunroom which was later turned into a with "um" 2 bedrooms and a sunroom which was later turned into a
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to a to a
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[Patricia] bedroom when we had 3 children. [Margaret] "mm" Now "um" you had [Patricia] bedroom when we had 3 children. [Margaret] "mm" Now "um" you had
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[Margaret] a car? [Patricia] Yes a [Margaret] a car? [Patricia] Yes a
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[Patricia] Vauxhall when we got married [Margaret] And [Partricia] and "um" [Patricia] Vauxhall when we got married [Margaret] And [Partricia] and "um"
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then we traded that in and we got a new Holden then we traded that in and we got a new Holden
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